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Pro-Life vs Pro-Choice: Is Abortion Murder? 

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@anchorednorth
@anchorednorth 2 года назад
Thank you for watching Honest Discourse. We are so thankful to bring people with differing perspectives together for meaningful conversations. As the discussions continue in the comments, we encourage you to engage kindly. The spirit of this format is “discuss, don’t demonize.”
@stacyklein2497
@stacyklein2497 Год назад
Yes ❤
@benschuster9792
@benschuster9792 4 года назад
Any argument that derives from religion is meaningless to anyone who doesn't also follow that religion
@barbragennings2383
@barbragennings2383 3 года назад
Not necessarily. Many people believe points from religion. This make sence because many of these points are irrefutable and ingrained in humanity
@benschuster9792
@benschuster9792 3 года назад
@@barbragennings2383 I think that someone can learn lessons from religion just by the merit of the ideas presented through a story. This means that when you derive an argument from religion you have to still defend that argument like you would any other and can't justify it only by stating "x religion says it it good therefore it is good"
@barbragennings2383
@barbragennings2383 3 года назад
@@benschuster9792 so your saying the argument should be based off of the story's more than general religious statements? If so i agree because the lessons are in the story's
@benschuster9792
@benschuster9792 3 года назад
@@barbragennings2383 yes
@barbragennings2383
@barbragennings2383 3 года назад
@@benschuster9792 if you don't mind me asking have you read the Bible or any other religious books? If so what stories do you like from them?
@ashlieleavelle
@ashlieleavelle 4 года назад
I am pro life. I have watched many debates on this issue. I have to say, the pro choice woman was so friendly, unlike many who just wanted to argue.
@deepeetut
@deepeetut 3 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ozfRq5sTW3s.html
@samibrat12
@samibrat12 3 года назад
Yes I agree
@jonjonboi3701
@jonjonboi3701 3 года назад
Pro-lifers can just be as radical as pro-choicers. I prefer to stay neutral when it comes to abortion because I honestly hate how intense modern politics in America is becoming
@mma85libra
@mma85libra 3 года назад
@Eshita Shukla Christian or not abortion is wrong and it ends a heartbeat on purpose so it is murder
@88feji
@88feji 3 года назад
@@mma85libra mm.. why is a heart beat so important ... can you elaborate ?
@aloe704
@aloe704 3 года назад
I'm Christian, but when u are responding to a controversial issue u have to explain it in a way that EVERYONE can understand, not just quoting scripture...
@aloe704
@aloe704 3 года назад
@Benicia Galvez I never SAID she did that. and *who are you* to tell me whether or not I'm a Christian. YOU DONT KNOW about my relationship with Christ. If u disagree I would like to know why and have a civil conversation... but if ur just going to attack me... then, bye.
@moonsun3653
@moonsun3653 3 года назад
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@oshinofalakoju5749
@oshinofalakoju5749 3 года назад
Thiiiss!!! Had the same feelings because she kept referring to the word, which makes sense to her... but that is not going to be the case for everyone. I can imagine it made it harder for some people to relate or better understand her. We as Christians need to be a better job of relaying information in a more digestible way.
@airrun88
@airrun88 3 года назад
It’s also difficult to hear an adamant response to this one topic while ignoring how we are supposed to help the poor no matter what. Amongst many other things that are equally important in the Bible.
@robertsparling
@robertsparling 3 года назад
@@airrun88 I really like that comment even though I am an atheist. I call that humanism.
@Precious211
@Precious211 4 года назад
I like that they were both humble..no pride just honesty
@kayceequesadilla
@kayceequesadilla 4 года назад
An abortion DOES effect the next person. Quite literally, THE NEXT PERSON is the baby.
@-UnchartedSky-
@-UnchartedSky- 4 года назад
There are no if's and's or but's with this statement. Amen.
@daerdevvyl4314
@daerdevvyl4314 4 года назад
Cherlock McFly In the situation that you’ve described, yes, I agree that putting the baby out of their misery would be the more merciful thing. However, I don’t believe that such an example would happen very often if ever. I’m not a doctor, but my brother is, and he says that any amount of pain can be managed with appropriate doses of morphine. He also says that in some cases, there is a risk of causing death if you increase the dosage enough to prevent pain, but that is a risk he would take if it’s necessary to prevent a person from being in agony. I agree with him about that. So saying that the most common reason for third trimester abortions is to prevent the baby from experiencing uncontrollable agony is, I think, a red herring. The disabled people I’ve been around are grateful for the lives they’ve led, which like all lives have good and bad times. Since I’ve never heard a disabled person say that they wish they’d been aborted, I can only guess what might cause someone to think that, but my best guess would be family members making them feel like a burden. A reasonable response would be to try to make them feel wanted and respected, not agree that it would be better if someone had butchered them in the womb. Strange that you think that such an approach is caring. You also aren’t acknowledging that abortion itself causes horrific pain to the unborn baby, albeit not for very long. “force a being into existence” That “being” is already in existence. The inside of a uterus is a place that exists, not some kind of theoretical idea. By the way, my opinions about abortion have nothing to do with religion. Even as religion declines, opinion is turning against abortion because of a new generation of prolifers, many of whom are agnostic or atheist.
@makefootballviolentagain5258
@makefootballviolentagain5258 4 года назад
Cherlock McFly 2% of abortions are due to rape, incest or the life of the mother. Abortion is murder.
@Thatnonpopularkid
@Thatnonpopularkid 4 года назад
@Cherlock McFly less than 2% of abortions are due to rape/incest or medical issues. I am not religious but pro choice members always bring up the cases of rape/incest and medically necessary abortions even though that is the extreme minority of cause of abortions. As far as late term abortion, they could have made the law to state abortion legal for fetal medically necessity only instead of for the health of the mother. There would literally never, ever be a reason for a late term abortion due to health concerns for the mother. Adding this text to the law allows them to find a way for anyone to get abortion at anytime.
@bikbokgacha
@bikbokgacha 4 года назад
Brier-Rose HopeDiamond What also effects the baby is growing up in a home too poor to afford their life. Not getting proper mental help, physical help and education and ending up on a bad path due to it. It effects the hundreds of thousands of neglected children put into the system, some staying in it feeling unloved until god knows when. It effects the children who suffer with families who abuse or neglect them. It effects the teen moms unable to give them a proper life or make a proper life for themselves. It effects the single moms and fathers working themselves to the bones to take care of a kid neither of the parents were ready for. It effects the kid that grows up to feel unloved, excluded, etc. Due to not having that other person in their life. No ones telling you to choose abortion. But mind your own business when it comes to someone else’s choice. You don’t know what the future brings. You don’t know how that unprepared upbringing will effect them and everyone else around them.
@StarrySoakedSkiess
@StarrySoakedSkiess 4 года назад
I mean the pro life woman is so wise but I respect the pro choice woman for voicing her opinion. Props to both of the women for listening and learning from one another!
@fevah6790
@fevah6790 3 года назад
@Melody Faircloth a human isn't just DNA as my skin cells have my dna but aren't humans, but yes from the moment of conception it is by definition a human being partially because of DNA and thus abortion per definition is murder.
@JuvyG
@JuvyG 3 года назад
You respect the pro choice woman about voicing her opinion about killing people -- little, tiny babies. We're over 60 million dead because of this carnage. You must respect Hitler too for his opinion on Jews.
@revivalist_avivador_Jad
@revivalist_avivador_Jad 3 года назад
@@fevah6790 Listen , a virus and bacteria is considered a living thing on other planets based on science , but a fetus is way different then just a clumpse of cells but it has human essence in it and also spiritual. The fetus is in a process for growth to become as a human life that could either be a prophet of God or a Teacher or could end up being a criminal but still that fetus has a right to grow the same way as us. Who are we to interrupt the growth of that being?
@fevah6790
@fevah6790 3 года назад
@@revivalist_avivador_Jad you sure you tagged the right person?
@michaela5053
@michaela5053 3 года назад
@@revivalist_avivador_Jad I think he was agreeing with the person’s statement. He wasn’t saying that abortions are okay or that babies are actually bunches of cells.
@dgraydon0001
@dgraydon0001 3 года назад
God told Jeremiah: "Before I formed you in your mother's womb, I knew you and ordained you to be a prophet..." Jeremiah 1:5
@ShalemAhava
@ShalemAhava 3 года назад
Right! From the moment we conceived, we are given purpose and a gift of life. God is intentional. The baby shouldn’t have to suffer bc of the horrendous acts or decisions of another.. He is the giver of life, not us 💯
@edubbs5556
@edubbs5556 3 года назад
So what happens when a woman miscarries?
@williamswenson3970
@williamswenson3970 3 года назад
Erica, what happens when a young child dies?
@edubbs5556
@edubbs5556 3 года назад
@@williamswenson3970 What? 🤦🏽‍♀️
@dgraydon0001
@dgraydon0001 3 года назад
@@edubbs5556 I truly believe that their baby is waiting for them in Heaven. So if someone miscarried, they still have that child. They will see them when they get there. The Bible says children are a gift from the Lord : Psalm 127:3. That child will go back to their Creator until the parents get to Heaven to be with them.
@erikadierke9196
@erikadierke9196 4 года назад
I wish the Pro Life one was more scientific then Christian
@ea-tr1jh
@ea-tr1jh 4 года назад
False dicotomy. Also, the pro-choice person literally said, "the scientist in me," lol what scientist "in you?" that's the most hilarious statement ever.
@ezrauu707
@ezrauu707 4 года назад
Erika Dierke It’s disgusting how she’s only based on her religion
@WhatevenisFudgeCake
@WhatevenisFudgeCake 4 года назад
I agree. I'm a Pro Life atheist. Life begins at conception according to science because at that moment a seperate unrepeatable DNA type is created, so therefore killing it would be immoral. (However in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother or baby, abortion should be legal but not encouraged in case of rape and incest) Edit: I am now a Catholic and my opinions have changed. I'm now radically Pro-life
@mcwaff8661
@mcwaff8661 4 года назад
Wtf is wrong being religious you can still use science, if that your excuse with not being pro life idk what to say.
@thatbooknerdoverthere7899
@thatbooknerdoverthere7899 4 года назад
@@ShadowBan666 You can't force your religion on people. You can't force your laws based on a 2000 yo book on people. You god is just one of the many gods out there. Respect other people beliefs and stop trying to make people feel bad for """sins""" that were invented 2000 years ago.
@jimiayoayo
@jimiayoayo 4 года назад
Pro life girl is blazing with wisdom
@Cynnas
@Cynnas 4 года назад
Using God and the Bible is not wisdom, it's fairytales.
@jimiayoayo
@jimiayoayo 4 года назад
@@Cynnas Interesting thought. What is wisdom in your opinion? Why do you say God and the Bible are fairy tales?
@paulden3158
@paulden3158 4 года назад
@@Cynnas fairytales can have wisdom too
@principlemethods5281
@principlemethods5281 4 года назад
And beauty
@morgianasartre6709
@morgianasartre6709 4 года назад
@@paulden3158 But basing laws on subjective opinion that stems from fairy tales - not the way to go unless you want the dark ages back (they did just that).
@traceydumase
@traceydumase 4 года назад
Abortion is not selfless, it is selfish. Periodt.
@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690
@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690 4 года назад
I agree with you .
@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690
@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690 4 года назад
@songs plzz why is that ?
@user-if4ke6en9r
@user-if4ke6en9r 4 года назад
@songs plzz life at all is better than a poor one, they have the opportunity to make the best of it. it's sad that you see people as less than you because of the situation they were born into.
@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690
@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690 4 года назад
@songs plzz that's honestly not always true you can adopt it out and alot of times those tests are wrong . They told me my first daughter was going to be born with a hole in her heart and would need surgery but she was fine. Healthy she's going on 11 in December. How though does anyone know what kind of life anyone would and will have? Anyone can fall on hard times .i was a single mother with my first too and i got help and there is help . Being poor isn't a reason to abort logically. Anyone with or without a child can become poor
@user-if4ke6en9r
@user-if4ke6en9r 4 года назад
@songs plzz jeez, didn't know we were talking about literally a no-intelligence life form that doesn't abort its babies😂 or "chooses not to spread its pollen when it's raped by a bee". sounds an awful lot like you just have no morals whatsoever because you can't see the difference between a baby and cucumber. the issue with abortion, is yes, you could easily make the same argument about the living, that are even MORE dependent than a baby, but they are instead dependent on society, welfare, you're basically calling for another Holocaust. just because you don't see it as life, doesn't mean it isn't. Hitler didn't see the Jews as life, communists don't see humans as humans, a sacred life, that's why they have no issue killing them. it's a slippery slope when for the entire history of time, babies have been life and loved and cherished, and now they aren't even considered life. it's sad, really. I hope you repent.
@paolomiguelparjan399
@paolomiguelparjan399 4 года назад
I like that both women was very respectful to one another. As a Christian myself, I'm glad the gospel was preached without compromising the truth while being mindful of her tone.
@tottalynotmark877
@tottalynotmark877 2 года назад
Separation of church and state
@MrAndrei012
@MrAndrei012 4 года назад
how does a mother who raised their child, regret later in life that they had that child, and wish they would have killed him/her? (blows my mind)
@sparklyunicorn5431
@sparklyunicorn5431 4 года назад
Alot of women dont want children. How is that so difficult to comprehend?
@jmes33579
@jmes33579 4 года назад
It’s not hard to understand that not all women want children, just hard to understand a mother of a child looking back and think, “man, I wish I would’ve killed this child when I had the chance.” It’s messed up
@sparklyunicorn5431
@sparklyunicorn5431 4 года назад
@@jmes33579 it's the honest reality when women are forced to birth children they don't want.
@jmes33579
@jmes33579 4 года назад
sparklyunicorn I understand that it’s the honest reality, I’m only saying that the view of life, motherhood, and murder is really messed in terms of the pro choice movement
@sparklyunicorn5431
@sparklyunicorn5431 4 года назад
@@jmes33579 how is it messed up? Because it actually faces the harsh realities, supports the womans autonomy, and doesn't hide behind limited religious beliefs?
@victorialouisehutchinson-b5919
@victorialouisehutchinson-b5919 4 года назад
It’s important to not use religious examples with those who don’t hold the same standard for life.
@cm5394
@cm5394 4 года назад
Victoria Louise Hutchinson-Briars well many non religious people do believe fetuses have a right to life, they just don’t use the same reasons that a religious person would
@victorialouisehutchinson-b5919
@victorialouisehutchinson-b5919 4 года назад
Which is great! But the best way to argue is without religious reasons
@everwhispfrands6767
@everwhispfrands6767 4 года назад
Without God, why isn’t anything permissible? It is very hard to justify the sanctity of life without coming a religious viewpoint.
@victorialouisehutchinson-b5919
@victorialouisehutchinson-b5919 4 года назад
Because you use their standard of right and wrong. For example. If they use the example of rape, you can say, why is rape wrong? They will usual say something like “you’re violating someone’s body” Then you’ve got them, Okay, well that’s what you’re doing to that baby, violating their body. It’s not the woman’s body, it’s the baby you’re killing.
@everwhispfrands6767
@everwhispfrands6767 4 года назад
Victoria Louise Hutchinson-Briars good point. But without believe in God, moral relativism reigns. I’ve heard pro choice women argue that the baby is using their body without their permission. Moral relativism is a slippery slope and anything can be justified. But - yes - that argument would work with some.
@ashleejohnson4945
@ashleejohnson4945 4 года назад
Man this pro life girl is so good with these points! I want to learn this!
@justdoit4834
@justdoit4834 4 года назад
Start to read the bible and download the wisdom.
@ashleejohnson4945
@ashleejohnson4945 4 года назад
@@justdoit4834 I'm not sure whether to take that as an offense or not, but I do read the Bible and the way this girl teaches and speaks is really eye opening. So, thank you for the comment but it wasn't really helpful.
@justdoit4834
@justdoit4834 4 года назад
@@ashleejohnson4945 Why do you feel offended? You learn this by studying the bible and discussing it with other people. Don't feel offended so easily and try to be tolerant. Have a great day.
@maryloufulton957
@maryloufulton957 4 года назад
@@ashleejohnson4945 I understand where you're coming from. The response you got from that other person, it did kind of seem just like when someone drops a big giant book on the table and it makes a really loud slamming sound, and the person just goes "read this, and download the wisdom" and just walks away. Not the most tactful way to say what I think that person was trying to say, but the advice, although good, it wasn't the best way to express it. The delivery really could have been better. And we shouldn't tell people to "get think skin". So sorry it was told to you like that. With that, I don't want to just say get some thick skin, but rather, I want to encourage you to look up some blessed women in Christ that I love to be encouraged in the Word from. Yes, the Bible is the first place to go... But it's not an easy read especially if you don't have spiritual "eyes" yet. And here is the other thing, there are a lot of "Bible teachers" who aren't teaching what the Word says CORRECTLY. I.e Joel Olsteen, Bill Johnson, TD Jakes, Paula White (🤦 unfortunately she is Trump's spiritual advisor... She shouldn't be. She's so into the prosperity gospel). Look up Jennie Allen, Priscilla Shirer, Jen Wilkin. These women are amazing. You can look them up here on RU-vid! When they bring up scripture, look it up in the Bible! God bless you ❤️
@maryloufulton957
@maryloufulton957 4 года назад
here is Jen Wilkin...I just love her. She doesn't "mess" with the Word like a lot of other teachers out there...she's a straight shooter with the Word, and that is what I love about her. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XuRdeuMv0v8.html
@josuerivera7921
@josuerivera7921 4 года назад
This proLife girl knows the scripture! Praise Yahweh!
@cheyennesheila7709
@cheyennesheila7709 3 года назад
Praise God!
@Notpublic4719
@Notpublic4719 3 года назад
praise nicki purrr
@j.dariorodriguez7173
@j.dariorodriguez7173 3 года назад
The pro life woman is obviously an indoctrinated fool who isn’t thinking logically
@j.dariorodriguez7173
@j.dariorodriguez7173 3 года назад
@@cheyennesheila7709 bitch the Bible supports slavery
@cheyennesheila7709
@cheyennesheila7709 3 года назад
@@j.dariorodriguez7173 huh? No it doesn’t. Have you read the Bible?
@christinawu9322
@christinawu9322 4 года назад
I love how the pro-choice woman was very respectful and had a breakthrough from what she had heard, wonderful discussion between the two sides
@deepeetut
@deepeetut 3 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ozfRq5sTW3s.html
@Daniela-gj4jt
@Daniela-gj4jt 3 года назад
She did not have a breakthrough. She still fully believes abortion is a perfectly moral choice. She was only being nice to the woman literally pushing her religion down her throat because even though she made it clear several times she was not religious, the woman kept going so she gave up with trying to reason with her and her fantasies.
@Snacc741
@Snacc741 3 года назад
Yeah cuz many cameras was on her Otherwise she would scream, throw objects in pro life woman and calling her murdered or some dumb shitt Every pro choice protest looks like this.
@esmereldasnickles8056
@esmereldasnickles8056 3 года назад
@@Daniela-gj4jt The pro life woman was simply explaining where she is coming from and how it all comes from her relationship with Christ and not only logical explanation. She wasn't preaching or anything, simply explaining. Why do you guys get so annoyed when someone explains where they come from in Christianity. We aren't forcing our "religion". We are just trying to explain where we are coming from entirety. And thats Christ. Stay blessed 🙏🏽
@Daniela-gj4jt
@Daniela-gj4jt 3 года назад
@@esmereldasnickles8056 y’all don’t ever have any other reasons to do anything other than your indoctrinated religion. Y’all don’t ever form your own opinions and it’s all based on a book written by men a thousand years ago and mistranslated many times. That’s why we get “annoyed”.
@antifa4208
@antifa4208 4 года назад
“As long as it doesn’t harm the next person” What about idk the baby???
@gabecoomer1286
@gabecoomer1286 4 года назад
Antifa420 right
@RPJustkeepmarching
@RPJustkeepmarching 4 года назад
Antifa...repent
@sofianm3189
@sofianm3189 4 года назад
😂preachhh
@The_Life_of_Maddy
@The_Life_of_Maddy 4 года назад
songs plzz so a plant has a heart beat? A baby has a fully formed heart at 3 weeks. A plant is human? Guess what? A baby is human at conception.
@CoversByLivvy
@CoversByLivvy 4 года назад
@songs plzz or you could just close your fucking legs, or be responsible when you have sex so then you won't be put in the position to consider ending the life of an innocent fucking baby. Its sickening.
@amandacox8459
@amandacox8459 4 года назад
Pro-life, baby!
@gummybears15992
@gummybears15992 4 года назад
💖💖💖💖
@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690
@phantomvampyressshadowkiss4690 4 года назад
Me too
@manueladasilva6748
@manueladasilva6748 4 года назад
Love you
@paigesantore
@paigesantore 4 года назад
be pro life, just without your religion involved.
@Skylakota
@Skylakota 4 года назад
Abortions will always exist and will always be used 🧡✨😉
@theoandolaf
@theoandolaf 4 года назад
I wish more pro-choice women were like Nastassja. This was so much better and more civil that what you see on Jubilee's 'Middle Ground.'
@dobbythefreeelf390
@dobbythefreeelf390 3 года назад
The pro-choice women were really respectful on Jubilee I don't see your point
@dobbythefreeelf390
@dobbythefreeelf390 3 года назад
@@SurealG yeah? I was saying pro-choice woman were being respectful, not pro-life?
@SurealG
@SurealG 3 года назад
@@dobbythefreeelf390 I guess what I was saying was confusingly worded what I meant was that pro choice people show up to pro life rallies and a lot of times act uncivil
@dobbythefreeelf390
@dobbythefreeelf390 3 года назад
@@SurealG oh well then can we like agree to disagree because its really late and I have to write a script for drama so I just don't feel like arguing, have a good night :)
@maam9401
@maam9401 3 года назад
I was about to say this reminds me of jubilee but okay 🤔
@KM-nj3cm
@KM-nj3cm 4 года назад
I was a teen Mom at a time it was very frowned upon. I was shunned by my family and friends. My parents kicked me out at 17 with no place to go, no medical, no job etc.. I had to make it on my own and I did. It has made me a very strong independent woman. My daughter has no doubts about how much I love her. Of course, it was not easy. In fact, it was extremely difficult. In spite of all the obstacles, I continued my education, had a full time job and mothered her. It can be done! You learn a lot of life lessons very quickly. You learn a lot about yourself as well. On a good note, I gained tons of respect later on by my family and we are now very close. I actually thanked my parents for not enabling me and forcing me to do it on my own.
@Childofbhaal
@Childofbhaal 3 года назад
You’re an inspiration 👏thank you for your bravery
@cedricduyongco
@cedricduyongco 3 года назад
I commend you for your choice and wish you and your daughter the very best in life. Hardship only makes us better. Pressure makes diamonds and am sure your a gem to your daughter and the people close to you.
@zanele6830
@zanele6830 3 года назад
Thats a beautiful story and there are many people who made the same decision but the stories don't end the same a child is a beautiful blessing and like you said it was hard and you worked your butt off for your kid ,let people decide on what they want to do not all stories that start the same way end the same way
@psalm3496
@psalm3496 3 года назад
Jesus loves you. God sent him on the cross to die for YOU so you can be freed from sin and spend all eternity in heaven. He’s coming soon! Good job
@KM-nj3cm
@KM-nj3cm 3 года назад
@@zanele6830 Agree. But a baby is not an inconvenience to be destroyed. It's a unique beautiful life that depends on it's parents to do the right (yet difficult) actions. If you make right decisions for the right reason, you are successful in life. Success is not always monetary. Be proud of who you are if you make honorable choices.
@goandmakefilms
@goandmakefilms 4 года назад
Appreciate this long format that is not heavily edited. It allows both sides to clearly express their position and not just jump to conclusion. Thanks for this!
@forestmoon16
@forestmoon16 4 года назад
This was the most calm, respectful discussion on this topic I've ever seen. Two lovely women actually listening to each other and trying to understand "The other side".
@valsipstones6871
@valsipstones6871 4 года назад
Tbh I love it when people actually listen to others! Unlike most comment sections.
@yepfaith
@yepfaith 3 года назад
@@valsipstones6871 sameee it’s absolutely beautiful yo!!
@Ayyshaddy
@Ayyshaddy Год назад
assa christian, she issa good example of how loving true christians really are. its a common thing that people think we force a view when we are loving human with a choice of lifestyle. We just want you to experience what he experience with jesus
@naomidenisepinedaspirit-bo7955
@naomidenisepinedaspirit-bo7955 3 года назад
The woman in the glasses wants to believe and know more of God and truth
@missnerd4832
@missnerd4832 3 года назад
I got that impression, too👌
@jjhahn34
@jjhahn34 3 года назад
I got that impression to
@j.dariorodriguez7173
@j.dariorodriguez7173 3 года назад
God isn’t truth bitch. There’s no proof of your god so how is it truth.
@missnerd4832
@missnerd4832 3 года назад
@@j.dariorodriguez7173 we can all have different opinions about things in this world without getting nasty and offensive. It's called tolerance. Concerning your question......pick up the bible and find it out yourself😉 much love to you✌
@bushidobrown2199
@bushidobrown2199 3 года назад
@@j.dariorodriguez7173 shut up bitch
@spirituallycorrect1438
@spirituallycorrect1438 4 года назад
Even an adult human is a lump of cells . Good point !
@kurlykayla9013
@kurlykayla9013 3 года назад
Do you genuinely think that is a good point and that her arguments were solid?
@DJUniMekaju
@DJUniMekaju 3 года назад
@@kurlykayla9013, yes, cuz all adults are are a lump of cells according to science.
@kurlykayla9013
@kurlykayla9013 3 года назад
​@@DJUniMekaju Cognisance is the key factor most are referring to when distinguishing between the cells that make up adult humans and the cells that make up an undeveloped fetus. One has it. The other doesn't. Therefore, one undergoes the ramifications of the decision more than the other. This is why women's choice is integral because only the woman, not the fetus, can make the decision that is best for her life, and, by extension, the unborn baby's life if she decides to give birth. Furthermore, if you truly believe any assortment of cells that make up humans is sacred, then you should in turn take issue with sperm cells being wasted by the billions every day by men who masturbate. These lumps of cells also make up the beginnings and potential of human life. But for whatever reason, by your logic, sperm cells are less important than a fetus.. and yet, a fetus is somehow more important than a cognisant adult woman. You see where your logic starts to break down?
@DJUniMekaju
@DJUniMekaju 3 года назад
@@kurlykayla9013 , and yet people never mention cognizance. They always mention the lump of cells argument. The difference between sperm and a fetus is that they are genetically different. The sperm is genetically part of the host while the fetus is a completely different being. You are arguing that it's okay to kill something that is genetically different then the host out of convenience which sounds disturbing. Why not argue for the adoption system to be better? And if it's the right for the woman to choose to kill something her and a man-made, then it should be the right of the man to choose to pay child support and alimony. Things should be fair.
@kurlykayla9013
@kurlykayla9013 3 года назад
@@DJUniMekaju The lump of cells argument is the cognisance argument. They are one in the same. I am not arguing adoption because abortion isn't simply about not wanting to be a parent. Abortion deals specifically with the process of childbirth. As I mentioned in another comment, pregnancy and childbirth alter a woman's anatomy, painfully and permanently, and puts her through physical, emotional, and mental trauma that have residual effects for the rest of one's life. It doesn't happen in the blink of an eye. It is not frivolous. Women die from this. To force them to go through something as serious as childbirth when they're not willing and ready is nothing short of barbaric. Yes, more barbaric than terminating a non-cognisant lump of cells. Your argument about sperm doesn't make sense. What do you mean sperm is genetically different from the host? The sperm contains the host's genetics. As does a fetus. And the fetus is far more connected and intertwined with the host than sperm is. Both are just a collection of non-cognisant cells that are the beginnings of human life. I don't see why one suddenly becomes more important than the other, and I definitely don't see why a fetus is more important than a woman's well being. Let me be clear: women are not incubators. Your problem is that you view women's bodies as mere baby-delivery vessels that are unfeeling and not at all connected with the fetus. You think childbirth is some simple inconvenience when it is actually the most important thing a human being can ever do. Perhaps if you had a little more care and concern for the bodies carrying these fetuses you apparently have so much concern for, you'd realize how callous you come off as. But of course, that would require you to actually empathize with women, and I'm willing to bet such a feat isn't so easy for you. Like most anti-choicers, you allow dogma to shape your opinion, and you lack perspective as a result.
@agdollsnikki
@agdollsnikki 4 года назад
theyre both very respectful towards each other, the pro life women is very educated on this
@blowurn0se
@blowurn0se 4 года назад
Angry Beaver you mean the pro choice (pro murder) girl is indoctrinated
@stevencorey7623
@stevencorey7623 4 года назад
TheLady you mean pro choice a woman’s right to her own body to who ever uses it. If we can’t force a woman to donate her body to her 2 year old, a sick dying person in the hospital, a stranger down the street, her own father we can not force her to sustain a fetus! If we agree the fetus is a person with equal rights than if I can’t force the woman to ustain my life neither can the fetus. Who owns the woman’s body? The fetus? Or the woman? I know you indoctrinated fools like to argue a “right to life”. We all have that including the fetus. We all have a right to life but not at the expense of someone else. The pro life movement is the pro birther movement! You don’t give a shit about life if you are a means of forcing it. The pro birther movement is woman are incubators and not human beings. That kind of thinking is dishonest and disgusting. Oh abortion means the termination of a pregnancy! Murder means a innocent person being killed unjustified. If the woman didn’t consent to the pregnancy. The fetus is in fact violating her bodily autonomy rights. This makes the fetus not innocent and the woman still remains innocent. Just because she can get pregnant doesn’t mean that’s all she’s meant to do. And that is just incredibly insulting to anyone. Think your shit through.
@allergictohumansnotanimals5671
@allergictohumansnotanimals5671 4 года назад
Steven Corey Yes a woman's life comes before the fetus's that's true. But to ignorantly think that most abortions are taking place because the mother's life is in danger? That's a rare occurrence. Female bodies were created so they can hold babies so only a small percentage of them would actually die from giving birth to one. Most abortions are stupid because the woman just doesn't want the baby because she's "too young" or something equally as retarded as that. If you're capable of having sex and getting pregnant you sure as hell are capable of having a baby. We weren't created stupidly with faults in our bodies. In _no way_ is killing a fetus just cuz you feel like it humane. It's murder and if you can't see that then you do not know how truly gruesome it is to literally pull a baby apart limb by limb.
@blowurn0se
@blowurn0se 4 года назад
Steven Corey first of all I URGE you to take testosterone enhances because I can tell you’re not masculine. The woman’s right to choose is NOT her choice. Does the woman have 4 arms? 4 legs? 2 brains? No! Therefore it is NOT her body to decide on. Who are they to tell people whether or not a baby deserves to live or not? The word “fetus’ is BABY in Latin.
@lynnettekeo1353
@lynnettekeo1353 4 года назад
@@stevencorey7623 I'm sorry, but that was the most ridiculous "argument," if I could even call it that. BIOLOGICALLY, women's reproductive systems, again REPRODUCTIVE systems are made to REPRODUCE. Women conceive the child, the child doesn't make itself. Imbecile 🤦🏽‍♀️
@carypeterson9554
@carypeterson9554 4 года назад
“They either regretted having an abortion or regretted not one”?!?! That’s a horrible statement to say about your child. I don’t understand it...
@surge127
@surge127 4 года назад
Cary Peterson i cannot believe she said she knew some mothers who didn’t get the abortion who regretted it.... like wtf u regret having your child
@Rosie05610
@Rosie05610 4 года назад
John 8: 10-11 10) When Jesus had lifted up Himself, and saw none but the woman, He said unto her, Woman where are thine accusers ? hath no man condemned thee? 11) She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee : go, and sin no more.
@ORaddlyispissedoff
@ORaddlyispissedoff 4 года назад
Follower Of My Lord amen. Sin no more! No more getting abortions
@Rosie05610
@Rosie05610 4 года назад
ORaddlyispissedoff I wrote this verse not only to point out the sin. But to also point out that we who are all sinners are not to condemn , but to show the way to which salvation is possible through Our LORD JESUS CHRIST alone and that it is he who will judgeth all for what they do. GOD bless you always brother. 🕊🕊🙏🕊🕊
@ORaddlyispissedoff
@ORaddlyispissedoff 4 года назад
Follower Of My Lord I know what you’re trying to do 🙂 “Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬
@thanoswife1254
@thanoswife1254 2 года назад
As pro-choice woman, It's refreshing to watch a pro-lifer and pro-choicer talking calmly and listening and learning from each other instead of screaming, ignoring each other, insulting, all those things.
@grantlangkamp1909
@grantlangkamp1909 4 года назад
the pro-life woman was exceptional,thoughtful and accurate the pro-choice woman was exceptional,thoughtful and understandable
@deepeetut
@deepeetut 3 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ozfRq5sTW3s.html
@jennifernelson83
@jennifernelson83 2 года назад
Eh…
@user-ne4nz6hx2t
@user-ne4nz6hx2t 4 года назад
I think science proves more that life begins at conception
@readysoldier6799
@readysoldier6799 4 года назад
@songs plzz She means *human* life dumbass
@kh040
@kh040 3 года назад
It most certainly does
@naomigrace8261
@naomigrace8261 3 года назад
so a fetus isn’t a human?
@drsiza
@drsiza 3 года назад
@@naomigrace8261 it is But a zygote is not it’s just a group of cells
@shan4334
@shan4334 3 года назад
More Of Siza Skosaan but us adults are also just a group of cells ??
@guitarman5560
@guitarman5560 4 года назад
Regarding the statement that its more cruel to bring a child in to the world that is likely to suffer than it is just to abort the fetus is such an easy one to refute. No one can predict the future. A child born in to poverty could spend a lifetime of suffering or could rise above and do wonderful things. Using that statement thats its less cruel just to abort the baby, then it must be ok to kill a child that is already born that is suffering. Some people believe this as well.
@antipositivism3128
@antipositivism3128 4 года назад
Terry Fraser That same logic can justify infanticide.
@audreylisamuranda2881
@audreylisamuranda2881 4 года назад
vorcazm either way it's still a life whether inside or outside the womb
@DoulosXristou0
@DoulosXristou0 4 года назад
I think every person who uses this as an excuse, should take a LOOONG HARD look at their hearts and figure out if they are REALLY concerned about the child’s welfare, or if they are actually just concerned that it will make life hard for THEM. I think most will find that the real heart motivation is the latter.
@cjb34
@cjb34 4 года назад
@@ruaraidh74 Yes!!!! THIS!!
@twlowe19
@twlowe19 4 года назад
Well it is the eugenics argument
@staceybaez1363
@staceybaez1363 3 года назад
They chose these two women for a reason. Two people that aren’t arguing and not willing to open their ears to here each other’s mindsets. Good job selecting these two for this topic 👍🏼
@cosmicwarfare4377
@cosmicwarfare4377 Год назад
but they were open. they might not agree but they were open to hearing and even sharing their thoughts on each other's story. listening to someone's story does not require agreement from any party
@stringerchick3650
@stringerchick3650 3 года назад
Why is it that we declare someone dead when there is no longer a heart beat... but we dont consider someone alive with a heart beat
@casandrala8370
@casandrala8370 3 года назад
100
@hopebby3750
@hopebby3750 3 года назад
Most ab0rtions happen before the fetus has a heartbeat so 😐
@sexyma12345678910
@sexyma12345678910 3 года назад
@@hopebby3750 abortion is available up to 24 weeks and theres a heartbeat at 5-6 weeks
@hopebby3750
@hopebby3750 3 года назад
@@sexyma12345678910 yea but most women choose to ab0rt in the first 2-4 weeks
@james10739
@james10739 4 года назад
Its gray because you are not willing to admit you are wrong
@morgianasartre6709
@morgianasartre6709 4 года назад
And by what authority are you right?
@morgianasartre6709
@morgianasartre6709 4 года назад
@your below average viewer Well I have dedicated my time and energy to view and get an in-depth undertanding of this issue and all possible points of view and my conclusion is not the same but I am not as close minded to call it the universal truth. Just calling out people on both sides who have not done their research and have only loud surface based opinions.
@mcwaff8661
@mcwaff8661 4 года назад
@your below average viewer damn fam you just completely obliterated him.
@Skylakota
@Skylakota 4 года назад
Abortion will quite literally always exist weather you make it illegal or not. By making abortion illegal you’re literally making things worse for women AND the babies. And what blows my mind is that you actually think you’re the heroes. If the women wants to have the baby or not, it’s HER choice. Are you seriously expecting them to wait until its capable to make a decision to live?? If you were to save a fully developed baby or a container of eggs from a burning building which one would it be? When it’s inside the mother it’s literally her. They’re connected. If the baby is causing her harm she has every right to end the pregnancy. Don’t start with that bullcrap about it’s rights because it literally cannot even fathom the concept of life or anything of that matter yet. I do agree when it gets to like 6 months it’s ridiculous to have an abortion. But do you realize the majority of abortions happen in the first 6 weeks?? When “the baby” is literally just a blob. You call it murder to make it seem like something horrific and justifiable. If it’s murder then miscarriages are manslaughter bruh. All I’m saying is, more places outside of the US like Ireland are making abortion legal. It’s expanding and growing. Y’all can’t stop that 🤷🏻‍♀️
@james10739
@james10739 4 года назад
@@Skylakota it's still murderer not a choice
@marilouise1715
@marilouise1715 3 года назад
That pro-life gal is so solid in her theology and faith, I’m blown away! What an inspiration! The pro-choice gal was also very respectful and kind, which is hard to come by on that side. Very great video! 👍🏼
@kianaontiveros9169
@kianaontiveros9169 3 года назад
😂😂😂😂
@urbutholstinks2304
@urbutholstinks2304 3 года назад
same with the prolife or shall we say pro birth side. both sides have stupid people
@RPKD88
@RPKD88 3 года назад
The pro-life is actually quite aggressive....so idk what you're on.
@marilouise1715
@marilouise1715 3 года назад
@@RPKD88 Hm, neither of them seemed aggressive at all in this video. 👍🏼
@urbutholstinks2304
@urbutholstinks2304 3 года назад
@@marilouise1715 yes but in general, both prolife(basically pro birth) and pro choice are aggressive *but* atleast pro choice people have never forced or tried to force a literal child through child birth
@sarahebert2510
@sarahebert2510 4 года назад
Let me preface this with saying yes, I am a Christian. I've spent a lot of time researching these kinds of debates, and wondering where I stand, and if you want me to be completely honest - I don't think we should ban abortions. Hear me out. If we make a rape exception (which a lot of people don't agree with, but let's go with it for the sake of the argument), there will be so many more false rape allegations. Even more than there are now. If we don't make a rape exception, then we force millions of women to push a baby out of the same part of their body that was brutally violated. If we ban abortions, people will just do them unsafely either across the border or in their own homes. If we ban abortions, the amount of children in our (broken) foster system will skyrocket. More and more children will grow up in poverty, nearly starving. Not only that, but we, as Christians, tend to be attacking the end result, rather than the root of the problem. So many people are rallying against comprehensive sex education, even when it's been proven that states with the strictest sex ed are the ones with the highest teen pregnancy rates. Not enough people are advocating for easier access to contraception, not enough people are advocating for foster care reform. We, as Christians, are not recognizing that banning abortions altogether isn't the answer. If we want to protect the lives of these babies and their mothers, we need to make it harder to conceive a child and easier to raise one. I hope this makes sense to you guys, and I hope you have a blessed day.💛💛
@AG-fs2rz
@AG-fs2rz 4 года назад
You are an amazing person. If only there were more people like you.
@markkozin9730
@markkozin9730 3 года назад
You are not a Christian if you are not advocating for the sanctity of human life
@brandon8451
@brandon8451 3 года назад
Mark Kozin lol
@sarahebert2510
@sarahebert2510 3 года назад
@@markkozin9730 You are not a Christian if you make judgements on someone else's faith. Furthermore, it's important to recognize that abortion is a complicated issue. I believe that banning abortion is not what will prevent it. I want to considerably reduce the amount of abortions performed, but banning them is not the most efficient way to do so
@jamersbazuka8055
@jamersbazuka8055 3 года назад
@@sarahebert2510 The question is what is just? There are unjust ways of reducing abortion, e.g. deeming all children wards of the state, locking every pregnant woman up and monitoring them so they don't commit an abortion, and then taking their children; even though that would be super effective at lowering abortion rates, it would be unjust. The purpose of law is to be just. But is it just for someone to kill another person and go free? Is it just to let the lie that "abortion is the solution to the pregnant woman in distress's problems" be repeated without challenge? Does caring for orphans and widows mean killing the orphans so that the widows don't have extra financial burdens? Is it just to let a pregnant woman believe that she's alone in the world and has to fend for herself, and that no one in her life cares enough about her to help her, and help her take care of her child? Is it just that infanticide is listed as "just another option"? Is it just that the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is legally protected for everyone but the unborn?
@jameliahrichardsonkingdomr6321
@jameliahrichardsonkingdomr6321 3 года назад
The pro lifer hit everything on the nail , God knew us before he formed us in the womb 🙏🙌 a seed has been planted now God will water the rest
@ilovejazz87
@ilovejazz87 3 года назад
but the thing people need to realize is that not everyone believes in god
@nickmobile7797
@nickmobile7797 3 года назад
@@ilovejazz87 then they shall be judged by God
@TheJacobiedwards
@TheJacobiedwards 3 года назад
But sometimes God won’t water after the child is born, leaving many children abused or malnourished.
@user-wl6lr5yw9g
@user-wl6lr5yw9g 3 года назад
@@ilovejazz87 pro life non religious person here if you have any questions :)
@StrangeParking
@StrangeParking 3 года назад
It's so heartbreaking watching people of color be so indoctrinated by your colonizers religion. I hope you free yourself from that evil.
@BTEguitardude
@BTEguitardude 4 года назад
I wish the pro life girl's arguments were less religious. Not that her points are wrong, or that pro life is wrong. But you can make arguments and maybe more farther reaching arguments if its not based on religion. Because harder to impose those things on others when they don't follow your religion.
@cajunjenny43
@cajunjenny43 4 года назад
BTEguitardude I agree. I am religious and pro-life but I feel it is important to support my opinion with science/facts that are not faith based. You can’t persuade a non-Christian with Christian beliefs. I do appreciate the respectful dialogue between the two women. I wish more people would respectfully listen to others with different points of view.
@JakeRuzi
@JakeRuzi 3 года назад
The problem is that there is no reason to not abort if you believe that God doesn’t exist. If there is no objective standard it’s one opinion over an other.
@arandom1024
@arandom1024 3 года назад
@@JakeRuzi I don't believe in God, I still don't murder people, and not because of murder laws, but because it's wrong.
@JakeRuzi
@JakeRuzi 3 года назад
@@arandom1024 why is it wrong according to you?
@isaiahweeekes1088
@isaiahweeekes1088 3 года назад
@@JakeRuzi As a Christian person who has a logical foundation. You don't need religious anything to make a pro-life argument. The abortion argument is pretty simple: She shouldn't have to fill in the blank for the sake of that fetus. It asserts that her convenience is more valuable than the fetus. As human life has ultimate relative value on Earth, this is invalid. If you disagree with this statement (ik you probably don't) answer me this: If a human is hanging off a cliff and there's something else on the other side, and you can only save 1, name something that's not a human where you can justify letting that person die. Potential Objections: The fetus isn't alive. The problem with that is that 1) Humanity lacks the scope to definitively define human life so the logical thing to do is to say as early as possible. Even if you say that's false and life begins whenever(doesn't matter whether it's consciousness, memory, whatever characteristic) there's a "yet" missing from that Fetus isn't alive statement. Human development happens in stages. You know beyond a reasonable doubt that the fetus will attain those qualities in the future and are taking measures to prevent it. What species is that clump of cells? Choose the answer that is most accurate. If it's not alive why is a woman who just got the news so happy or so distraught? Because she's projecting into the future at the responsibility she knows is coming. Your emotions betray your assertions here. Would you tell a woman who had a miscarriage not to be sad bc her baby was just a parasite or a clump of cells.Of course not. The current state is irrelevant as the future one is a near-certainty The abortion argument is more accurately stated: I don't want to deal with the responsibility of a child, so I'll kill it before it becomes one. It's an argument marred with hubris, selfishness, and arrogance. So eager to abandon the most vulnerable because they're inconvenient. Pro-choicers who have spent a generation manipulating fearful and vulnerable women into believing they have the right to exercise this option as some sort of overcompensation for a historical lack of sexual autonomy, which is evil.
@mwilliams1308
@mwilliams1308 4 года назад
If having a baby would be sooooo horrible for your life, then why in the world would you not take the precautions necessary to avoid getting pregnant in the first place??? It's not that hard to avoid getting pregnant.
@NyabyizaJudith
@NyabyizaJudith 4 года назад
M Williams right
@froyo424
@froyo424 4 года назад
People who were raped by family members, strangers, friends ? Who in the world said getting pregnant wasn't that hard?! It can be extremely hard for those who are in terrible communities or positions, such as dangerous home lives, to not get pregnant.
@mwilliams1308
@mwilliams1308 4 года назад
@@froyo424 even in the very very rare cases of rape or incest, it's not the baby's fault. The baby is innocent and should not be killed. All human life is sacred.
@jupiterstone827
@jupiterstone827 3 года назад
If every life is sacred, then we must abolish the death penalty!
@DryWaterFilms
@DryWaterFilms 3 года назад
Not necessarily.. You can be pro life and pro justice
@jupiterstone827
@jupiterstone827 3 года назад
@@DryWaterFilms pro justice is not pro murder.
@DryWaterFilms
@DryWaterFilms 3 года назад
@@jupiterstone827 I agree. Murder is unjustified. The death penalty is not murder since it is justified.
@jupiterstone827
@jupiterstone827 3 года назад
@@DryWaterFilms by who? Is God striking that person dead? Abortion is protected by the law as well. So who are you to decide which one is permitted. If you are operating under the law, what's the issue?
@DryWaterFilms
@DryWaterFilms 3 года назад
@@jupiterstone827 I don’t ultimately submit to man’s law, I submit to God’s. Man’s law has clearly been wrong in cases like slavery and abortion. God, in a case like capital punishment, uses government authorities that “He instituted” (Romans 13:1) to carry out justice. “For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer”. (Romans 13:4)
@yukotrey9422
@yukotrey9422 3 года назад
7:37 “ cells make up tissues which makes organs which makes up us” Organ systems: 🥲
@dani9622
@dani9622 3 года назад
Biology nerds understand 😆
@ronnied1172
@ronnied1172 4 года назад
Wow. It's encouraging to see an actually believing Christian talk. Great job sister! Praise our Holy God.
@bigj3n
@bigj3n 4 года назад
Christianity doesn’t apply to everyone
@ronnied1172
@ronnied1172 4 года назад
@@bigj3n I know. God's standards apply to everyone though.
@bigj3n
@bigj3n 4 года назад
Ronnie D but not everyone believes in god
@ronnied1172
@ronnied1172 4 года назад
@@bigj3n Everyone knows God exists. What people do is suppress that truth and worship something different. Such as themselves, creation itself, money, sex, etc. Everyone knows it's wrong to murder, lie, and cheat. People know this because God put a conscience in us. He put His moral code in us, but sadly we all do a great job in not living up to it and far to many times we ignore our conscience. Do it enough times and we go numb and no longer feel it.
@9290SC
@9290SC 4 года назад
Yes!!
@rileephilippi9505
@rileephilippi9505 3 года назад
Religious people have to realize that it is their right in America to choose a religion of their choosing. BUT so does everyone else, to choose or not to choose. Not everyone believes in God. You cannot inflict your religious views on another person’s life. This country was built on the basis of the separation of church and state. Abortion is incredibly simple. If you want one, get one. If you don’t, then don’t get one. Keep abortions legal, safe, and accessible.
@nahenfau96
@nahenfau96 3 года назад
Abortion isn’t simple. I have 3 personal experiences from my bestfriends and family member that got abortions and had to deal with the mental issues of the aftermath, that they all knew came from this decision. None of them were ‘religious’ at the time, so yes it is Gods will to be pro life but it also goes to show that it’s not just a ‘religious view’.
@arandom1024
@arandom1024 3 года назад
its not that simple at all, half the country believes that making abortion illegal would be literally making women be pregnant and having children against their will, the other half believes that it is literally murdering a baby. the problem is, it is a philosophical question on whether or not that a fetus is a human being or not, and that is a question that unfortunately none of us are qualified to answer.
@jessicabarry4059
@jessicabarry4059 3 года назад
This!!!
@arandom1024
@arandom1024 3 года назад
@PeriodicalAdventures pro life and non religious right here.
@justbored.1601
@justbored.1601 3 года назад
@@arandom1024 it is a life and since it´s a life from a human, it´s a human being.
@not.enoughto.go.around6176
@not.enoughto.go.around6176 4 года назад
Life is always on the right side of history. Killing unjustly is Never.
@trinitylavoie5879
@trinitylavoie5879 4 года назад
Killing what? Embryos, cells with no heartbeat, with no brain and no thoughts, if a woman is going to get a abortion they aren't going to get one when they are let's say 8 months pregnant they'll get one at let's say 5 weeks pregnant which is a MAJOR difference
@mcwaff8661
@mcwaff8661 4 года назад
@@trinitylavoie5879 apparently fetus have a heart at around 20 days it's never justified to abort a life for your own convince.
@dahliapeters6309
@dahliapeters6309 3 года назад
@@mcwaff8661 as long as it's in my body and it cannot survive outside of my body,yes I can
@kenasssss
@kenasssss 3 года назад
@@dahliapeters6309 It's still a murder. You're killing a human being and you're not different from criminals who're in jail. I'm just telling you how it is. Of course I understand their reasons why, but a lot of those pregnancies are results of mistakes, lack of precautions. So, in the end, "you" cause the problem over lack of responsibility and then you "resolve" that problem that happens to be a person God created by killing it. That's why, if we follow Jesus and do what He said regarding sex, doing it inside marriage (obviously with someone who really is for you, not some random guy or girl EVEN if they're from church or someone talks oh so good about them) we wouldn't have these problems. Of course there's other cases, but in general, people should be responsible for their actions. So, the moment they make it normal the abortion, then the killing of babies will just sky rocket, while if not, they would have to take responsibility. Thankfully, there are many women who were glad they didn't decide to abort and kept their child. To those who aborted, God forgives them, of course, but it's wrong to validate a law that God is against.
@bridgetcoughlin9608
@bridgetcoughlin9608 3 года назад
@@trinitylavoie5879 but you were an embryo once and now ur a living human being
@shantalaguilar9887
@shantalaguilar9887 4 года назад
I will always be pro life
@mambumambu1769
@mambumambu1769 3 года назад
@David Jensen Pro life specifically means, that’s you support the fact that baby in The womb has a reason to live.
@mambumambu1769
@mambumambu1769 3 года назад
@David Jensen every baby deserves a chance at life killing it out of convenience is wrong. That’s my stave my brother. God bless!!
@mambumambu1769
@mambumambu1769 3 года назад
Stands*
@DanielaL702
@DanielaL702 3 года назад
🙏♥️
@pikachurose3067
@pikachurose3067 3 года назад
👍
@YesYourRight
@YesYourRight 4 года назад
This pro life girl is just so well spoken and put together because she speaks the word of the gospel and speaks the word of Christ.
@renita9695
@renita9695 4 года назад
Jeremy C the word of gospel and Christ is fake ash. Bring Christ to me to fact check the bible😊
@laurencruz3367
@laurencruz3367 3 года назад
I love how she shared the gospel with her afterwards. So much courage and grace. I love that.
@christinarivera3479
@christinarivera3479 4 года назад
I love how sincere they both were
@jordanfeuerborn2933
@jordanfeuerborn2933 3 года назад
Why is there never a discussion on all the ways pregnancy can be discouraged. Birth control, faith, life plan. There is a lot of talk about handling the situation AFTER the fact. Like shutting the gate after the horse is out. Let's talk about not getting ourselves in that situation in the first place.
@Teddy-bs9ec
@Teddy-bs9ec 3 года назад
We need to stop sexualizing everything and teach our children to wait before marriage and you would have a big drop in unwanted pregnancy.
@roslyngordon4596
@roslyngordon4596 3 года назад
@@Teddy-bs9ec abstinence-only never ever works teaching them about protection now that works
@thanoswife1254
@thanoswife1254 2 года назад
First off, contraceptives don’t work 100% of the time and secondly, you can make a life plan all you want but life itself don’t care. Rapists don’t care. Secondly, children don’t always get sex Ed in school because people are too afraid to let children see that. Especially parents, sex Ed should be mandated for kids starting puberty.
@andrewfarias2658
@andrewfarias2658 4 года назад
I like the whole idea that you guys are going for but i felt this video was very one sided. I felt as though someone with a stronger opinion on abortion would have presented a better conversation. I felt the lady that was for abortion was more of in the middle.
@johndoe-pm1ql
@johndoe-pm1ql 4 года назад
All their videos are one sided, they don't have anyone good enough to uphold a good counter debate.
@faithjoseph7979
@faithjoseph7979 4 года назад
@@johndoe-pm1ql I disagree because they usually choose people who either live in the situation for years or they are quite educated on the topic.
@anakedviking6737
@anakedviking6737 4 года назад
You meant someone who was completely heartless and emotionless about anyone's but herself's suffering would have presented it better .... Agreed a criminal will definately present the justification for crime better than normal people
@maryonngrace5604
@maryonngrace5604 3 года назад
I agree
@fiestyfame
@fiestyfame 3 года назад
You can LITERALLY see miss pro choice agreeing (nodding) with EVERYTHING miss pro life says. She didn’t say no to anything. Didn’t say a thing different.
@courtneyxxooo
@courtneyxxooo 4 года назад
"The scientist in me says that a zygote doesn't have a soul" Sorry what?
@zinnia3684
@zinnia3684 4 года назад
Science is always changing and I pray you will also have a change of heart. Check out science in the bible well before science caught on. Quarantine for example. Check it out.
@courtneyxxooo
@courtneyxxooo 4 года назад
@@zinnia3684 Huh? I'm pro-life.
@courtneyxxooo
@courtneyxxooo 4 года назад
TBear300 did u watch the video?? I was quoting the pro choice girl.
@caseyd6602
@caseyd6602 4 года назад
Courtney J I understood what you were saying. Not sure why they missed it.
@cm5394
@cm5394 4 года назад
Zinnia thats simply wrong. And before anyone can reasonably claim that anyone has a soul at all it should be demonstrated.
@karlacastillo9601
@karlacastillo9601 4 года назад
Pro life , all life is life . Praise God for he is Good.
@IsaacandMiyanna
@IsaacandMiyanna 4 года назад
Jesus loves me ❤ I'm fearfully and wonderfully made. Pro-life
@JESUSLOVESYOU219
@JESUSLOVESYOU219 3 года назад
Amen! And so are those babies this world so badly wants to kill.
@eddiebrown6035
@eddiebrown6035 4 года назад
Gave her the GOSPEL AT THE END 🤯😁👏👏👏 HALLELUJAH
@esmereldasnickles8056
@esmereldasnickles8056 3 года назад
Lol right, hallelujah 🙏🏽
@max-vy7kv
@max-vy7kv 4 года назад
Life is sacred! Those God given babies should also have the right to live!
@MinceLive
@MinceLive 4 года назад
So should I put that baby on adoption if I don’t want it and go through that pain of giving birth because you won’t allow me the option to take that back
@kunntakentay
@kunntakentay 4 года назад
@@MinceLive the option to take it back? You're basically saying the option to punish someone else for your mistake. Take responsibility for your actions, it is simple.
@jjgems5909
@jjgems5909 4 года назад
Jacqueles Twali really? You understand God and can tap into His mind? What authority do you have to decide how God should think and what He should do?
@jjgems5909
@jjgems5909 4 года назад
0 11 yes. You don’t just get to kill other humans because of choices or decisions you made. That logic doesn’t stand I. Any other circumstance why should it for a baby in the womb? If killing your baby is going to cause you less pain than giving it up for adoption than you other very serious physiological issues. Also you can have an epidural. It’s not as bad as the movies make it.
@Cynnas
@Cynnas 4 года назад
About 25% of all pregnances end by miscarriage. That doesn't even count babies that die during or shortly after birth. Is that God given too?
@jennahyser7245
@jennahyser7245 4 года назад
That girl has friends who regret not having an abortion? 🤦🏻‍♀️ that is so sad. Those poor kids.
@sdaylotto
@sdaylotto 4 года назад
Jenna Hyser obviously wtf those little fuckers cost a lot of money tf you think a baby free or something? Gtfo
@morgianasartre6709
@morgianasartre6709 4 года назад
@your below average viewer Yeah having sex does not equal loving whatever may come from it, you don't love STD's do you?
@sdaylotto
@sdaylotto 4 года назад
your below average viewer please stay in school cause clearly your grammar is still inside the womb :/
@morgianasartre6709
@morgianasartre6709 4 года назад
@your below average viewer Having an abortion is to an extent risky thing and also most often emotionally hard so those are also consequences of your actions. Please don't refer to children as punishmemt for sex and sex should not be used as a scare tactic. By having sex you do not consent to pregnancy, birth and taking care of a child (abled or disabled) for the next 18 years.
@casandrala8370
@casandrala8370 3 года назад
Imagine if they know their mama said that.......
@suzannerust8658
@suzannerust8658 4 года назад
Always nice to see an actual civil discussion from people despite them having different views. No name calling or being nasty towards each other here which makes a nice change to see for me.
@Ed-cy5oy
@Ed-cy5oy 4 года назад
Autonomy is God creation and it’s a child. When I was lost in my sin, I was selfish. Selfishness is to hate self and others too. Once I was saved by grace of God, I see the goodness of God now.
@Banzai84
@Banzai84 4 года назад
It’s so nice to see respectful and trying to see the other view point in a debate.
@3d1k3
@3d1k3 3 года назад
It's hard for me to fathom looking at a living breathing child and thinking "I should have just terminated you."
@kimberlylusby3365
@kimberlylusby3365 3 года назад
My Mother tells me " I should be happy she kept me" i can say it was so hurtful as an adult to hear my mom say her life would have been better if she got rid of me
@3d1k3
@3d1k3 3 года назад
@@kimberlylusby3365 I'm sorry you have to experience that. I truly am. Children are a gift from God. I know that sounds preachy and cliche but it's true. We lost one of our twins last year and it makes me think of all the people who chose to terminate children. My son was just outside the age that most states allow for abortions. He didn't make it but he was definitely a human being. I couldn't look at him and think that if you were a few weeks younger you aren't a person and shouldn't get the right to go on living only because I'm the adult with a voice. I sympathize with women who have to face this decision, even if they choose to go through with it. But looking at my son i can't say that abortion is anything less than legalized killing and child abuse. It's making an unhealthy decision for a child that they can't fight against because they yet have the agency to do so. Not a day goes by that I don't miss him or think about him and wonder why he was chosen to go when so many people willingly allow their child to be killed because they don't want them. You are valuable Kimberly even if your mother cannot articulate that fact to you.
@abbie.ireland
@abbie.ireland 3 года назад
@@kimberlylusby3365 That is awful! You are a blessing. She is just ungrateful.
@ligiamonteiro0
@ligiamonteiro0 3 года назад
@Kimberly lusby I'm sorry, Jesus loves you so much...
@dakotameza4895
@dakotameza4895 3 года назад
beth actually goes to my church and she is truly an amazing person and she acts exactly the same in person. She is also an amazing mother and she is an amazing should and a strong amazing women. 🥰
@danielreed3718
@danielreed3718 4 года назад
I’m very pro life (not debating in the comments about that) but quite a few people in the comments have pointed out that this was fairly one sided in favor of the pro life argument. I love you guys and love everything you’re doing, but maybe we could include people with stronger opinions on the matter? Again, love the video, love you all, and God bless.
@esmereldasnickles8056
@esmereldasnickles8056 3 года назад
What stronger opinions? "Life starts after the baby was born" or "A baby is a parasite" or "It's just a clump of cells" This is all I hear from their side tbh, nothing was one sided at all. 🤔
@andrineborbe2470
@andrineborbe2470 3 года назад
@@esmereldasnickles8056 Yes it was, one was listening and learning and one was lecturing. The Christian Girl was not listening nor learning at all.
@cosmicwarfare4377
@cosmicwarfare4377 Год назад
​@@andrineborbe2470 why, because she didn't end up agreeing with the pro choice lady? the pro choice lady didn't end up agreeing with her either but she was still listening and learning? she wasn't lecturing at all, both of them kept.calm tones of voice, were respectful and really listened. they have their own thoughts and beliefs but that doesn't have anything to do with lecturing?
@ivank7492
@ivank7492 4 года назад
*Pro-choicers, I have a question:* Do some of you really believe that fetuses aren't human? And what species are they then?
@NyabyizaJudith
@NyabyizaJudith 4 года назад
I been wondering abt that
@The_Life_of_Maddy
@The_Life_of_Maddy 4 года назад
songs plzz Oh, so the murder of a human child depends on intelligence? Guess it’s ok to kill all the dumb people in my school now....
@cm5394
@cm5394 4 года назад
The argument is that having human DNA doesn’t necessarily make you a human life. Cancer cells for example
@ivank7492
@ivank7492 4 года назад
@songs plzz The key difference here is that it's human. There is no doubt that it is because it cannot belong to another species. Abortion just undoubtedly is killing of a human being by its own mother because every DNA test proves that a fetus inside her is her offspring. I am only against killing of innocent humans against their will. That's he definition of murder.
@ivank7492
@ivank7492 4 года назад
@songs plzz *The consciounsness argument debunked:* Fetuses are conscious ( www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/issues/sx-sbd2.htm - parapgraph 5 , www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1424176/Foetuses-may-be-conscious-long-before-abortion-limit.html , www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/the-key-question-when-is-the-foetus-a-sentient-being-528676.html%3famp - paragraph 4). They are conscious, but not fully. And even infants aren't fully conscious the way mature people are (www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=alleninstitute.org/media/filer_public/92/6d/926d4215-ee4c-430a-a4f2-1122070ab1b8/2009_09_whendoesconsciousnessarise.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiWtvmbpbLjAhVhxKYKHRlCCMgQFjAQegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw30-Uv23y38pnmEoYHXRwWH, www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-does-consciousness-arise/ - paragraph 3). Babies become fully conscious in 12 to 15 or even 18 moths after birth ( theconversation.com/are-babies-conscious-13628). People who lost consciousness during an accident and who are sleeping are still people. If it was true that consciousness would grant us rights, would it be OK to kill a newborn who is unconscious due to birth injury? And lets assume for the purpose of our thought experiment that it could remain unconscious or asleep of twenty years and grew up, would it be OK to kill it? Many such things as feelings or sentience are really abstract terms with unclear definitions and it is debatable when we actually develop such skills (and in many cases it seems to be after birth). I think we shouldn't grant something as important as basic human rights to individuals based on something as fleeting and uncertain. We can prove that consciousness isn’t the essential part that makes us people with this thought experiment: most of us don’t think that a newborn who is after birth held in a small basket for 20 years and who's never seen the "real world" is not a human. You don't have to be born to finally wake up and start to feel and experience things and certainly our experience doesn't determine our humanity. Embryos move their limbs at the age of 8 weeks ( 3rd paragraph in the text titled First trimester: www.whattoexpect.com/pregnancy/fetal-development/fetal-brain-nervous-system/ ) and to give an order to move to their limb they have to be able to think. And these movements are not mere reflexes. Wikipedia states that "These first movements are not reflexive, but arise from self-generated nerve impulses originating in the spinal cord." ( en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_movement - paragraph 1, sentence 4). We become self-aware 15-24 months after birth ( www.parentingcounts.org/information/timeline/baby-begins-to-develop-self-awareness-15-24-months/ ). Infants recognise right from wrong earliest at six months: www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2010-05-psychologists-babies-wrong-months.amp Here is a human in fetal phase of the prenatal development: https: //ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qi-01eITZaU.html Here you can see that it moves and shows all basic signs of awerness. There are fetuses born in the fifth mothts of pregnancy. Do you think that this resembles a human infant aware of its surroundings ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-sL24-nwMQ6Q.html )? This embryo looks like it desires to live, when it obviously acts in a very violent and scared manner during an abortion: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Vx4AEbOhQow.html It's done by the vacuum aspiration method, which is used from 3rd to 12th week of gestation: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_aspiration And animals are also conscious, so it doesn't make sense to grant human rights solely because of consciousness. Consciousness surely isn't an ability that makes us human. Animals aren't human. If we granted human rights on such basis, we should arrest people for killing pigs that are aware of their surroundings.
@youngstudentloandebts3778
@youngstudentloandebts3778 4 года назад
I have a feeling this comment section is gonna be heated
@ReubenScott11
@ReubenScott11 3 года назад
The fundamental question is this: What is the Unborn? According to embryology, a unique life is created upon the moment a zygote is formed (fertilization). This is a self developing organism from within with the inherent nature of "human" and has all the genetic info of a human. The only difference between the baby in the womb and outside the womb is its size, level of development, location, and degree of dependency. But these are all things that fluctuate between people and situations throughout life, none of these things justifies killing another human. We are valuable because of what we ARE by nature, not what we BECOME. The value of life is intrinsic, not pragmatic.
@jazminepadilla7856
@jazminepadilla7856 3 года назад
I agree with your response, well explained :)
@ReubenScott11
@ReubenScott11 3 года назад
@@taco9061 thanks for your reply. Are you saying a person is only valuable if they are conscious? What about when we are sleeping? That's a pragmatic view of life that only values life based on what that person contributes to society. My point is that all life has value due to the fact of our nature: human.
@ReubenScott11
@ReubenScott11 3 года назад
@@taco9061 that's sick.
@user-rm3fc4pd2q
@user-rm3fc4pd2q 3 года назад
This sounds like an opinionated fabricated definition. Humans have never been “self developing”, we don’t lay eggs and wait for babies to grow. We’re mammals in which unborn need their mothers to survive. Biologists and Embryologists constantly compare anything smaller than a fetus to a parasite. The key phrase here is degree of dependency as you put it. If you were to remove it from the mother before the end of the second tri mester, where the first inkling of consciousness occurs, there is zero chance of survival.
@ReubenScott11
@ReubenScott11 3 года назад
@@user-rm3fc4pd2qthanks for you reply. by self developing i don't mean an egg. I mean that it is a single natured living entity with all the genetic info propelling itself toward continued growth. Every living thing needs a proper environment to survive (even adults, and eggs). Regarding degree of dependency, on that line of thinking, is a 1 year old also not a person? A baby or toddler will not be able to survive on it's own without the care of the mother. Just because a small human hasn't reached it's full maturity doesn't mean it's any less human or deserving of protection.
@lifeanswered5518
@lifeanswered5518 3 года назад
I am so grateful that there is a channel out there facilitating these conversations. However, in every single video the dialogue seems to go like this: 1st Person: Here is what I feel 2nd Person: Here is what God says in His Word. My point is that you are either going to allow God's Word to be the foundation upon which you make your decisions and build your life, or you are going to make "you" the foundation that your life is built upon.
@DaringDanielletravels
@DaringDanielletravels 3 года назад
Such a hard topic. I’m a Christian who has had an abortion and I still have mixed feelings about it. I was in an incredibly abusive relationship with an alcoholic who continued to try to get me pregnant as a means of control. He was from an incredibly wealthy family but was the outcast due to his addiction. When I found out I was pregnant I was so terrified. All I could imagine was constant trips back and forth to court fighting for custody or continuing to allow him to abuse not only myself but our future child. I spoke to a number of women who were raising kids in a toxic parental dynamic. The kids of course had every behavioral and learning disability imaginable and the mothers struggled so much. They all said that if they could do it again they wouldn’t have had the baby. I consoled myself by repeating that to God, no one sin is greater than another. I also felt so much shame around what his family would think who had already said, “if I were looking for a free ride I was barking up the wrong tree”. The one positive outcome was getting pregnant was my wake up call to start making better decisions with my life. I found the strength to stop drinking myself and get out of that relationship - I’ve been sober ever since. Having the child might have been a wonderful experience but taking that chance with all of the known horrors and instability I was experiencing, it didn’t seem fair to take that chance with an innocent child’s life.
@esmereldasnickles8056
@esmereldasnickles8056 3 года назад
Do a survey of all foster kids, I can ASSURE you they appreciate having lived. Please don't make the excuse that they were better off killed in the womb when really you didn't want to go through the hardships of that child. I hope you repented and if you did, God forgives you, just please completely recognize that it is sinful to take the life of a baby in the safest place for it to be (the mothers womb). Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” Stay blessed 🙏🏽
@DaringDanielletravels
@DaringDanielletravels 3 года назад
@@esmereldasnickles8056 most of the Foster kids I’ve met have lived some pretty tormented lives filled with chaos and abuse, only to end up addicted to drugs and living on the streets. My heart just breaks for Ma’khia Bryant, the foster child recently killed by the police.
@esmereldasnickles8056
@esmereldasnickles8056 3 года назад
@@DaringDanielletravels She was about to stab someone...Anyway I can guarantee you that more than 50% of foster kids appreciate getting to live. That does not justify the killing of a baby in the womb.
@marycassidy1570
@marycassidy1570 3 года назад
My outlook is still the same. Pro-choice is empathetic. Pro-life is just God, God, God, and God.
@LaMasLinda8808
@LaMasLinda8808 3 года назад
I am pro life myself, but that same point of God God God really annoyed me. It’s a cop out when you don’t really know why you believe something. The wwjd type response is so played out and doesn’t help the argument.
@marycassidy1570
@marycassidy1570 3 года назад
@@LaMasLinda8808 Jesus would’ve supported the women at the abortion clinics lol
@By1inee
@By1inee 3 года назад
@@marycassidy1570 no lol God doesn't kill
@user-vl7fm8ck2m
@user-vl7fm8ck2m 3 года назад
@@marycassidy1570 No he wouldn't lol
@user-vl7fm8ck2m
@user-vl7fm8ck2m 3 года назад
Not all pro lifers are Christian or religious, there are many atheist pro lifers
@Cynnas
@Cynnas 4 года назад
When you bring the Bible into the abortion debate you automatically lose because not everyone believes in the Bible. If your opponent doesn't believe in the Bible then how would you argue your pro-life stance to convince them abortion is wrong?
@makayla3122
@makayla3122 2 года назад
Well not everyone believes a baby is a clump of cells so you automatically lose the argument
4 года назад
“it’s a grey area because zygotes don’t have a soul they’re a clump of cells well technically i’m a clump of cells but i don’t know it’s a grey area”
@eweezy55
@eweezy55 4 года назад
And how would she even know that a Zygote doesn't have a soul. If you going to make that statement then tell me when do you get a soul and do you use to determine that, Or do we all magically get a soul at child birth. Its funny when let the Pro-Choice rationalize why there pro-choice there arguments always falls apart...
@trinitylavoie5879
@trinitylavoie5879 4 года назад
Your a clump of cells with a brain and a heartbeat
@bigdingus3572
@bigdingus3572 4 года назад
The issue with having religious examples is that just becuase you believe that, wethere its life begins at conception, or that everyone deserves a choice, the truth is not everyone's beliefs are the same. So at what point is it acceptable to force your belief into others?
@elizabethgrey6040
@elizabethgrey6040 4 года назад
This is why this argument should be made using secular points instead. I’m religious and pro life but I would never connect the two in an argument because there are plenty of pro life scientific and moral observations that don’t involve religion. It’s more of an inclusive discussion that way.
@truthbebold4009
@truthbebold4009 4 года назад
The truth of who God is, when presented in His name (I.e. with His holy and loving attributes) is what wins people to Christ. It is only the unconverted heart that ever justifies the use of force to change other's beliefs.
@nothannahrood2436
@nothannahrood2436 4 года назад
i respect both of them but the pro choice girl seems so educated, i want to be her friend
@disproveofthis
@disproveofthis 3 года назад
Not Hannah Rood. Women like you make friends with murderers in prison and then want to marry them.
@hopebby3750
@hopebby3750 3 года назад
@@disproveofthis calm down miss girl 💀 the pro choice woman does in fact seem nice and educated
@Marcus-ec1kx
@Marcus-ec1kx 4 года назад
Its so nice to see conversation like this! Very fruitful
@hopep8371
@hopep8371 4 года назад
I love watching these dialogue videos, and in all of them I see a constant theme of the Christians knowing exactly what they think is right and wrong and knowing exactly why they think that, while the other people in the discussions aren’t so sure. The non Christians often find themselves in “gray areas.” Praise God for giving us his Word to guide us!
@scottd.delano2810
@scottd.delano2810 Год назад
The major flaw in the 'My body, my choice" argument is, if that's such a great point, why would anyone ever want to talk someone out of suicide? The same logic applies.
@angeliquaserenity5009
@angeliquaserenity5009 3 года назад
Roughly 75% of women who have abortions do so because of Social-Economic reasons. We need more Women's Resource centers that provide women with blankets, clothes, baby food, etc. Adoption should not be the only option for expecting mothers other than adoption.
@brumbybailey6599
@brumbybailey6599 4 года назад
I guess if we as Christians took ALL sin more seriously then Pro Choicers might take us more seriously.
@Amber_Aviva
@Amber_Aviva 3 года назад
Very true
@livtaylor4357
@livtaylor4357 4 года назад
ok what about the choice of adoption. there are plenty of families that are unable to conceive that would love to adopt a child.
@BeeinTX
@BeeinTX 3 года назад
Yes!!!!
@mcfrickenwatcher195
@mcfrickenwatcher195 3 года назад
there are more families waiting to adopt than the amount of kids in foster care, and none of this changes the fact that we have no right to take a human life away
@marianamoreno3179
@marianamoreno3179 3 года назад
The foster system is not unicorns and rainbows, at least in Mexico there was a year in which only 3 children were adopted in the whole country. I am pro life, this situation is heavy and real. Don’t put on your blindfold. If you become more knowledgeable, your arguments will be far more valid and effective. It’s time to do some digging and find out about what can be truly done to secure the lives of these future children.
@elenawilson9181
@elenawilson9181 4 года назад
Ugh. Pro-life here. It makes me so frustrated when people use religion to argue against abortion.. most pro choicers are not believers in religion, talking religion will not convince them. I never even mention I'm Christian when talking with pro choicers
@thysvje
@thysvje 4 года назад
thank you! using religion in any argument is so weak and usually doesn’t translate to others in the same sense.
@jug2024
@jug2024 4 года назад
Im pro choice and I agree with you. Religion definetly won't do anything to change my mind
@rayblob7945
@rayblob7945 4 года назад
I'm curious, how do you argument for your pro-life position without using religion and god?
@elenawilson9181
@elenawilson9181 4 года назад
@@rayblob7945 it's very easy! All the facts and logic are on my side. I have done tremendous research on the topic. Just to show an example: most biologists agree that life begins at conception. In a study, 75% of scientists who even claim to be pro-choice maintain the notion that human life begins when egg and sperm meet. It really confuses me when people say science is on their side.. like who told you That? It's almost unanimously not. Lol
@SamOwenI
@SamOwenI 4 года назад
This is naive. The primary reason why there is a divide on this issue is because of the shift in faith in Western society. The idea that you can simply "convince" people about abortion with arguments, when everybody already understands the seriousness of killing one's own offspring is naive. I am a medic and I know lots of medics. The pro-choice ones don't have a single argument that stands for their pro-choice position that can't be refuted. But that isn't the issue. The issue is our beliefs about humanity, God and his authority, whether he created us or we are random etc. You can't just convince people to stop killing their own offspring when they know what they are doing but they want to continue. Utter naivety.
@TheArtOfEmotions
@TheArtOfEmotions 4 года назад
You can tell the woman for pro life isn't listen at all
@cherylchristian5673
@cherylchristian5673 4 года назад
I think her mistake was to couch her statements in religion instead of just saying that killing is always wrong. Also birth control is easy and cheap. Just be responsible and 99 percent of the time you won’t need an abortion
@billmartin3561
@billmartin3561 4 года назад
It’s pro-choice people who don’t listen. They are typically borderline violent with their opinions, which are based on feelings and not science. When pro-choice tried to argue their point, it all comes back to “its my body” and they can only look the other way about the reality that a woman is killing her own flesh and blood for purely selfish reasons.
@jasminepatterson6362
@jasminepatterson6362 3 года назад
this is like arguing with a religious wall
@st3ll497
@st3ll497 3 года назад
Accurate
@robertsparling
@robertsparling 3 года назад
The video is sponsored by a religious organization.
@DjDamnStrange
@DjDamnStrange 4 года назад
Imagine pro-choice nurse telling a pregnant measles victim that she lost her 'fetus'
@passthebutter6037
@passthebutter6037 4 года назад
Laszlo Pro choice doesn’t mean abortion all the time pro choice means you have the choice , unlike pro life
@passthebutter6037
@passthebutter6037 4 года назад
Laszlo No pro choice nurse would do that because she knows the lady picked that choice for herself. But keep being ignorant boomer
@ianntmy
@ianntmy 4 года назад
PassThe Butter so the woman decides if it’s a baby or just a lump of cells?
@bigj3n
@bigj3n 4 года назад
wrong , pro choice is their to decide what to do with YOUR body , not for men to decide what you can or cannot carry
@jadasmith9346
@jadasmith9346 4 года назад
Repent and trust in Jesus Christ YES HER BODY HER CHOICE!!!
@tragikk03
@tragikk03 3 года назад
Abortion has absolutely nothing to do with a woman's autonomy. A baby, in your womb, is not your body. I think it was Reagan who said "I've noticed everyone who supports abortion has already been born" (not an exact quote just how I remember it)
@victoriavs7470
@victoriavs7470 3 года назад
Right. If it was the woman’s body then it would be suicide, not murder.
@Alibern7
@Alibern7 3 года назад
Well if she wants to remove something from her that is her choice. Don’t kill the baby, but don’t keep it in the women.
@tragikk03
@tragikk03 3 года назад
@@Alibern7 you're making up impossible hypotheticals
@tragikk03
@tragikk03 3 года назад
@@Alibern7 it is entirely possible to not get pregnant in the first place in all situations other than rape (which in many cases could be avoided but sometimes can not - this doesn't mean the girl getting raped is at fault but that it is certainly possible to take steps to minimize the potential of being raped)
@squigglyline6488
@squigglyline6488 3 года назад
totally and I AM a feminist. famous feminist Betty fredian was actually critical of abortion!
@bigmike6461
@bigmike6461 4 года назад
They aren't pro life, they are pro birth. These people couldn't care less about the life and welfare of the mother and child after birth.
@johnbenson4927
@johnbenson4927 4 года назад
So you deny the existence of charity organizations?
@hopebby3750
@hopebby3750 3 года назад
@@johnbenson4927 who said “charity” is a pro-life ???
@dramaticunicorn_1d434
@dramaticunicorn_1d434 3 года назад
i used to be a christian until i realized how forceful they are. Separation of church and state is important. Pro-choice is where i stand.
@jdb33678
@jdb33678 3 года назад
Being Christian isn’t about your relationship with others but your relationship with God alone. People do not define what Christianity is, Gods love and mercy defines what Christianity is. I respect your decision but I promise you not all Christians are bad and not all are good (debatable whether they are even a Christian). God is Love don’t forget that.
@robertsparling
@robertsparling 3 года назад
@@jdb33678 What about a relationship with universe creating pixies?
@debrablake4820
@debrablake4820 4 года назад
Amen, I am fearfully and wonderfully made...
@gladufaith9613
@gladufaith9613 3 года назад
I love how they are both respectful of each other and their opinion
@joshmeyers67
@joshmeyers67 4 года назад
She shared the Gospel beautifully! I love it!
@jennifernelson83
@jennifernelson83 2 года назад
Eh…
@meganbash
@meganbash 3 года назад
to anyone who isn't christian the pro-life woman sounds delusional and her entire argument is based on religious beliefs that I and so many women think are totally irrelevant so its hard to even hear her out. and why does she try to convert her and interpret the gospel to her as if she isn't aware of what it is after she explicitly said she isn't christian and disagrees with her..
@noxfarren
@noxfarren 3 года назад
I'm so glad someone else is thinking this
@ameekalama3079
@ameekalama3079 2 года назад
"Movement contains elements opposing induced abortion on both moral and religious grounds" literally what pro life is based on religious and moral beliefs(Not to sound rude)
@Aubbalways
@Aubbalways 3 года назад
I wish we could see a conversation between a pro life christian and a pro choice christian.
@atmreads
@atmreads 3 года назад
Yes, especially since the Bible is cited so often on the pro-life side
@naminjolikiep6471
@naminjolikiep6471 3 года назад
"It is God giving us the gift of creating a life"
@hannahkritschgau3016
@hannahkritschgau3016 3 года назад
Reminds me just how much I don’t want kids/don’t want to get pregnant to begin with.
@hotep3145
@hotep3145 2 года назад
When you start getting into your 30s, it's going to be a bit difficult to remove the thoughts of children out of your head. people have biological commands that tell them to procreate when they're fully developed and ready.
@basiclemur7823
@basiclemur7823 2 года назад
@@hotep3145 yeah, when there ready
@a.r.t.doesart3184
@a.r.t.doesart3184 4 года назад
Life is a gift from God! Every single day that we live and breathe is because God loves us and CHOSE to give us life❤️ Just because a innocent, little child might be somewhat of a burden to us, doesn't mean that we could take its life away. We need to stop being selfish and fight for those who cannot defend themselves ♥
@Cynnas
@Cynnas 4 года назад
Which God? The one who killed all the innocent first borns of Egypt? Yeah, he sure does love babies. Lol
@Xarkom89
@Xarkom89 4 года назад
@your below average viewer Nature? What the fuck are you on about? Nature is one of the harshest things. Ever hear of natural selection? Kids dying as young as 2 from cancer is nature too fyi. But sure "god" loves us.
@anna.xo1
@anna.xo1 4 года назад
And what if you don't believe in God? Not everyone is a damn Christian
@nolongerinuse9687
@nolongerinuse9687 3 года назад
Shut up
@rickyricardoamador7657
@rickyricardoamador7657 4 года назад
Great conversation, both woman respected each other and shared honestly. Pro life woman is gorgeous , pro choice is beautiful as well .
@arianopoien
@arianopoien 4 года назад
Ricky Ricardo Amador this is the kind of comment i wanna see🙌🏼
@rickyricardoamador7657
@rickyricardoamador7657 4 года назад
Arian Opøien 🙏🏼
@disproveofthis
@disproveofthis 3 года назад
Ricky Ricardo. So if you ever get murdered will you feel better if the woman comes across as sweet and beautiful as she kills you !
@mcfrickenwatcher195
@mcfrickenwatcher195 3 года назад
@@disproveofthis wtf is your comment?
@disproveofthis
@disproveofthis 3 года назад
@@mcfrickenwatcher195The topic is about the right to murder babies in the womb and you don't think it is somehow a perverse statement to comment how beautiful and gorgeous the ladies discussing the topic are!! It just shows how desensitized we have become as people !!
@EOlson-vt1od
@EOlson-vt1od 3 года назад
Amazing. I appreciate the listening that was demonstrated. I pray this bears fruit in the lives of the participants as well as the viewers.
@Obedient-Faith
@Obedient-Faith 3 года назад
My brother's baby was shot in the womb, was he aborted or murdered? ( this actually happened, he would've been named after my brother who was also murdered) Also lots of Christians adopt specifically to help children in need.
@DoulosXristou0
@DoulosXristou0 4 года назад
"... the same people aren't going to step in and bear the responsibility with them." Let me firstly say that I positively do believe that people shouldn't belittle or insult or hurt in any way women that go through these situations. I positively do believe that Christians should rise up and care for these women and their children, and help them carry the burden. Many people in our church have adopted unwanted babies, some of whom were thrown into trash cans in a plastic bag and left to die. What I don't get, is that people like this young lady would actually think that other people HAVE to "bear the burden with them." None of us played a part in them deciding to have sex or not have sex. None of us played a part in them deciding to use or not use a condom. None of us played a part in them deciding whether the natural consequences of having sex - i.e. children - would be a wise decision for them at that particular point in time or in their particular situation. But, by her logic, if we want to have any right in voicing an opinion, we should be willing to bear the burden with them. I have acted like a grownup most of my life. When I made a mess of things, I carried my own burden. I face the consequences of my own actions and decisions myself. The world is in a sad state where men with beards walk around looking for a "safe space" when someone looks at them funny. A world were people think it's their RIGHT to make decisions to do things that they KNOW could have life-altering consequences, yet EXPECT other people to carry the burden of choices they never helped make.
@cherylchristian5673
@cherylchristian5673 4 года назад
Excellently said. Thank you
@haydomo1069
@haydomo1069 3 года назад
I think what the woman meant was like, if the pro life protesters are going to put so much energy into making abortion illegal, wouldn’t they support this unwanted child after it’s born? Well the truth is they won’t. Also if you want women to be forced to face the burden of having an unwanted child, why can’t they face the burden of having an abortion? Both options are life changing.
@DoulosXristou0
@DoulosXristou0 3 года назад
@@haydomo1069 the point is that the burden SHOULD be on the two people involved in conceiving the child, NOT on anyone else. If two consenting adults decide to have sex, they should be willing to face the natural consequences of that decision. It is totally unfair to expect ANYONE else to carry the burden of YOUR decisions! And that is exactly why these protestors are fighting against this... they are fighting against selfish and arrogant people who force the innocent baby to carry the consequences. And just so we are clear, I am speaking about the majority of abortions, which is done as a result of consensual sex.
@haydomo1069
@haydomo1069 3 года назад
@@DoulosXristou0 ok that’s fair I agree with that. Personally I believe we should keep abortions as an option for people who aren’t capable with raising/don’t want their own child. But they shouldn’t expect others to carry the burden for them. Still for those people who mentally/physically can’t carry that burden themselves (too dependent) they shouldn’t be forced to have a child.
@DoulosXristou0
@DoulosXristou0 3 года назад
@@haydomo1069 you have the right to your opinion, of course. But God’s opinion is the one that counts ultimately, and He will hold you accountable for yours one day. Why should people have sex, and then murder the unborn baby because they don’t want or can’t shoulder the consequences of their own decisions? That’s the precise definition of not having a back bone in my books. It’s not difficult at all. Don’t want or can’t support a child? Then don’t have sex. Use condoms.
@kennywoo206
@kennywoo206 4 года назад
It threw me off seeing that the Black woman was pro choice and the white woman was pro life, usually the other way around - seems to be a cultural default
@Lerian_V
@Lerian_V 4 года назад
A glitch in the matrix. hahaha
@valhinkle6500
@valhinkle6500 4 года назад
No this is actually pretty accurate. You see this alot at the abortion "clinics" which by the way are usually always strategically located in the poorer neighborhoods. Most of the women that come are black. Blacks have been preyed upon by the democrats for years through governmental assistance programs to keep them dependent upon the government in single mother homes and in turn maintaining their Democrat vote and leftist ideology. It's a vicious cycle. Do your own research. Of the 70 million preborn children murdered through abortion since 1973 have been children of color. Which is the way racist plant parenthood founder Margaret Sanger wanted it. She saw blacks and Indians as "parasites" very wicked woman.
@MontoyaBrandy
@MontoyaBrandy 4 года назад
Kenny Woo yikes! Do research.
@derrickbenanthony8755
@derrickbenanthony8755 4 года назад
Descendants of slaves are still a lower percentage of you all's country, so when you compare the numbers, we don't abort as much as you
@MontoyaBrandy
@MontoyaBrandy 4 года назад
Job 30:30 I agree! We are a sinful nation! I’m not making excuses for my country! I don’t worship the USA I worship Jesus Christ!
@sarahs.7808
@sarahs.7808 4 года назад
This is really a great, respectful conversation. I admire both of these eloquent women :)
@emmagillin7320
@emmagillin7320 3 года назад
I am agnostic and have studied the bible multiple times. Genesis 2:7 says "Then the Lord God formed the man out of the dust from the ground and breathed the breath of life into his nostrils, and the man became a living being." and from what I get from that is that you have to take your first breath to be alive.
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