Review your own video and max onboard again … you drew a rectangle box to show legal space for Norris but didn’t mention or point out that said rectangle box is leading off track as you move further ahead and the box itself is parallel to max wheels . A box / rectangle have straight lines on both side which clearly shows the angle without a straight line as a reference is misleading watching it with naked eye and the same reason Peter Windsor disagrees with the ruling m. He unlike many reviewed the onboard footage and notice no steering input to the left from max at all leading to the brake markers.
Box isn't parallel to Max's wheels. Max clearly moves right then left again. Is it illegal? Since he was given the penalty, it is in this instance. Is there a broader belief that he does this regularly knowing others will save their cars instead of crashing, it seems so. Only way to stop it is to keep crashing until rules are made that clarify overtaking and drivers consistently causing accidents to avoid being overtaken. Otherwise, drivers will keep whining about Max's aggressive driving style and losing because they back out.
@@rockj8197 not sure if you’re trolling or being serious here … the box is clearly parallel and even if not the box goes off track. This showing you L’s did brake line and direction leads off track . But again the box is parallel to max that’s why the onboard footage shows no major movement form max wheel at all at marker 100. Also a reason no one wants to show the onboard footage when discussing this … onboard footage would be the most obvious way to see a driver steering input , but onboard goes against the notion he moved and works against the agenda.
a guy making sense. a rare sight on the topics of f1. pls continue making these videos. im sick of getting recommended fanboys trying to push their bias thinking they are sly.
I just wonder... when vettel did the exact same thing to Hamilton at austria 2018... same race,same corner,exact same situation... nobody screamed and cried😂.. o I know... because Hamilton took his experience as a champ,and didn't divebomb the corner when vettel took the racingline😊
finaly someone who understands that you cant turn when you are braking, ive seen so many people say that norris could just move a litte to left onto the curb
@@Baker92849 You're right. But from that angle it looks like he did. People really need to calm their tits because sometimes this is what happens when 2 great drivers drive wheel to wheel
@@Baker92849 He did. He moves to the inside to cover off, but nudges the wheel to the left just after the 100m board. Being charitable, I'd say he did it to open up the corner, but hard to say for sure, as he was doing this kind of stuff a lot in the preceding laps.
It's time to punish that kid for his irresponsible actions. And that 10sec penalty is BS, while Lando lost the race and Max still got points. Remember the Lewis-Max incidents and the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP? Same story. Seems like the FIA and stewards are biased towards Max and RB. I know Max fans have different delusional viewpoints, but re-watch every incident and analyze it, forgetting that you're Max's unconditional fan, use your brain and eyes.
@@bastordd Come on dude. Even Russel knows this himself. He was like +20 seconds behind P2. He won, but it wasn't a hard fought win. That's what i mean
@@Holdt15 you need to complete the race cross the finish line... Ofc he deserve the win... This is not who finish 96% of the race... This is about who win the full race
Peter Windsor said it was not Verstappen's fault. There are several things to look at, for example onboard images with the brake things his vid: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qlwNeVVJIdk.html
This guy said Max didnt turn left at all and two minutes latter he said max turned left just a bit to adjust the entrance to the apex, then proceeds to blame Max for copse 2021... i just stopped there, that was enough for me 😆
Alberto you are 100% right. I cannot believe people are actually trying to put this on Lando saying that he could have avoided Max Verstappen saying that Lando could have gone off track to avoid Max. What kind of thinking is that?
Most of max's fans are kids who recently started watching f1.They don't care about rules. They just make their own rules to legitimize the actions of their hero.
@@Freestyler-rr While i agree, it has to be said that that is the case with a big part of the drivers nowadays. In short; DTS has ruined the community behind this sport.
Are you not supposed to only move once when blocking? I am no expert but this seemed like two moves to 'block' twice. Opening the trap then shutting it back down. Kind of a dick move.
it wasn't even a big crash. the heat in the tires made the difference. and Norris went much faster with a flat tire, causing him to demolish his race car himself
That 'manoeuvre' after the turn -> they both had flat tires by that point, and they were fighting to keep their car on the road. The issue is in the corner leading up to that. And only _this_ corner, because _before_ that it was hard and clean, is what most people are saying. This little move 'oh I go right, crap you are on the outside I go straight a bit more' is the issue. And it's OK he got a penalty for that. The fighting before is just 'Norris shut up, get the move done' to be honest. Why the stewards said that Norris was _also_ to blame for the situation, is because there was space enough on the outside to not make contact. Verstappen left him room, so the contact is Norris his fault, but it's Verstappen's fault for making an erratic move, so there's the penalty. Official statement: 'Verstappen is _mostly_ to blame', so not 100% :). I agree with your analysis of this corner, but absolutely not with the statement that what happened after they got damaged cars is a wrong doing.
I love all of this id!ots deffending Verstappen when you can clearly see Lando went for a free space and didnt even move one bit. The guy is going straight and Verstappen is the one who is squeezing and crashing into him hence 10 penalty...
look at the clip. verstappen didn’t change his steering input AT ALL since he rejoined the track. it was lando’s decision to go to the right and being pushed off was the imminent consequence. you can’t expect someone who not only had just rejoined, BUT ALSO was running on 3 tyres, to do quick maneuvers just to accommodate the driver behind.
@@devotedtospeed I don't think I said anything about Verstappen moving his wheel. As the boy said himself, he is in control of the car. If you have any racing experience, you know what he did was petulant and dangerous. p.s. Liking your own comment is pretty sad dude.
No, how dare you, we will ignore anything that supports max and instead just hate him like a sheep because it the cool thing to do boooo max booooo hiss boooo
In 2023? When. max had a car that was over a second a lap faster than every other car? Of course he was untra conservative when he knows he can just drive past ppl like they are sitting still last year. Battling someone on equal footing as you is not remotely the same as battling someone who has one hand tied behind their back because their car is noticeably slower than Maxs. Here is the facts…. Lando had ZERO obligation to compromise his line and his braking by going over the kerb in the middle of the hardest braking phase on the circuit just because Max uses his signature move of “back out or we both wreck”.
The point is, when you want to move under braking, you have to release the brake a bit to move or otherwise you will understeer. There was no way Max could have made that corner with how he approached it even-though he broke early since he decided to move to the left again. Lando on the other hand was braking late and in order to make the corner, he was not allowed to release the brake to move, hence why he could not move out of the way when Max was squeezing him, unless he releases the brake and can't make the corner too. Now, Max put himself and Lando in a position where both of them could not make the corner and will go wide and out of the track. Which is bullshit racing. If you watched this video, you should have understood all of this because Naska does a great job explaining it all even with example-footage of his own racing.
Its funny that so many people blame Max.... but Lando does NOT. Lando has just said in an interview that "Max does not have to apologize because he did nothing wrong". This comes from Lando him self after viewing the race.
Low level pro driver tries to milk an accident in the highest formula..ironically sides with the most loud and pathetic fans you mean? Let's just ignore the 5 laps where max had to avoid landos stupid divebombs
@@lilibordei721 And what level driver are you? Oh, that's right… you'd rather focus on the divebombs NOR copied from VER where there was no contact… because you can't defend the actual collision in Max's favor.
@@lilibordei721 the divebombs likely were worse because Lando had to avoid Max's movement under braking, compromising his own braking ability. Everyone cries about the divebombs (the same thing Verstappen is both notorious and praised for) but ignore the movement under braking. People complain about "dangerous driving" from Lando while Max was breaking a rule the FIA had to make because of him...
@@vitreo1363 so it's okay when people do it as long as it's not max.. pure hater. The contact was verstappens fault.. now let's hear you admit that norris spent 5 laps driving like an idiot.. not going to do that areyou because you are a pathetic child, still traumatised by 2021 Professional racing driver trying to click bait people lol, get a grip
The delusion of Crashappen fanbois in the comments is hilarious 😂. For real though how did he not get a disqualification for trying to drive norris off the road for a second time after causing the first collision. There never been a driver that gets away with so much dirty driving.
Lando was just naive, he is one of the drivers who knows Verstappen best, how could he think this was a good idea, Charles tried this few years back, and we know what happened. Why didn’t he just position for the second straight after. BTW, can we back up to Spain start… he literally said after the race: was more then enough room. Well, he got more space from max here then he left max on that start 😂
Perhaps it is not written in the regulations but there are hundreds of decisions by the stewards that moving across in the braking zone is forbidden. There are hundreds of decisions by the stewards that a driver is not allowed to weave to block a pass, and may make only one change of line. So don't quote the regulations. Quote the case law.
No he isn't going to do that because that dosent farm as many views as being against verstappen does.. sad really that other pro drivers are jumping on the attention bandwagon. Guys living the dream and acting like a 8 year old f1 fan lol
@@lilibordei721that comment is so unecessary. Verstappen always dives and he gets nothing in terms of penalties so that means Norris has to get them?? Bruh you can search for divebombs of max and they will be worse to watch 🫠
@@lilibordei721 Lil bro crying in every comment. Stop arguing and arguing. Trust me even your Max would think that you have something wrong. Just move on and don't harass somebody that is way more than you.
yeah yeah... Now do the track limits on Norris and lack of a in race penalty, not too mention his previous dive bombs on several laps prior to this... This is like ALL videos on line that leave out key context.
he did get a penalty for track limits (which is bullshit if you have a brain to think about it), also his dive bombs didn't end up in a crash, and Lando always gave the position back to max, so I don't know if you're stupid or just a max fanboy, but there's that
Verstappen was just moving 10 cm to the left. Norris could easily anticipate this but he didn't. Norris was just nosediving into it, taking a high risk.
Norris has a higher speed so has to start breaking earlier. Just before max started breaking he put a stearing input to squize norris a bit. After this he started breaking. If this is wat really ocurred, its basically the fault of drs and the speed difference.
Max is bordering on crazy yes he's a talented driver but heck is He a dangerous Threat I guess it's a good thing he's out front in the best car because of he was midfield every race would be chaos.
Incorrect analysis. Norris still had plenty of space. Norris simply braked too late and too aggressively. If we are saying moving under breaking isn't allowed and is deserving of a penalty, even when more than a car width of space remains, then Formula 1 might as well just close up shop and call it a day. Because almost every driver does what Max did here... on a regular basis.
His analysis, and that of many other current/ex racing drivers is 100% correct. There's been 8 drivers that have analysed it now and all agree it was Max 100% at fault. The stewards (ex drivers) gave him two penalties for the incident (2 points on his super licence to go with the 10secs) and they have the TELEMETRY ffs! Don't act like you know more because you play Gran Turismo and drive about like a bellend in a Honda Civic.
@101wildgoose Doesn't matter. Consensus does not equal correctness. If it did, we'd all still believe the Sun revolves around the Earth. The fact remains that Lando had a car width on track and almost a car width off track. This is irrefutable. Remember, a car hasn't exceeded track limits until all four wheels have crossed the white line. So technically, Lando had nearly two car widths of space before he could have been considered to be forced off. I'm agreeing that Max moved under braking. Go read what I wrote originally. What I'm arguing is that if moving under braking, WHILE LEAVING A FULL CAR WIDTH OF SPACE, is now going to be considered worthy of a penalty, then either every single driver on the grid is going to have to change the way they defend (because they all do it), or F1 is going to be a circus of penalties. McLaren lobbied the stewards for a penalty and got it. Are you trying to tell me they never get it wrong? Ha ha ha! 🤣 This guy's analysis was incorrect and quite elementary. For the record, I've never played the game you mentioned, and one of my cars is a Ferrari California, the most aerodynamic road car ever developed at time of its production, in case you're interested in a bit of trivia. 😉
Norris is breaking late( because max using inner line at first), after max turns his wheel into outer corner, Norris is under the late but heavy break, there is nothing Norris could do to change direction under heavy wheel break( unless you want to lockup your car and ruins your pace), if Norris really avoided the crash, max will win everything. That’s why we keep saying it’s hard to pass max without crashing
@rockman1942 I admire Lando for trying aggressively to pass Max, but he wasn't patient enough. I will never fault a driver for trying anything they can to win. And I admire Max for defending like a champion WHILE LEAVING MORE THAN A CAR WIDTH OF SPACE for Lando. The truly ridiculous thing about this crash scenario is if the stewards would have issued Lando's 5s penalty sooner (as they should have), none of this would have happened. Stewards need to do better.
Vettel "turned under braking" against Hamilton on the same track and the same corner. Vettel was on the inside and Hamilton on the outside. Vettel squeezed Hamilton to the outside.
What about the lap before, you can clearly see Max moving erratically under breaking. It should have been investigated much sooner. He should have had 20+ or more seconds against his time
To me, the FIA needs to start giving penalties with TEETH. If a driver causes an incident which leads to another car being retired from a race (looking DIRECTLY at you Stroll and K-Mag)...then that driver should not only get the penalty point on their license, but also be disqualified from that particular race as well. ESPECIALLY if you would have gotten points for finishing it! If one team looses out on points, so should the other team.
You are not completely right... You can change direction in heavy breaking, that's how you enter a slow turn... Also, Max left enough space for Norris... Norris was too optimistic... What FIA is doing to Max is similar what they did to Schumacher... and always to benefit British drivers and/or teams...
So….did you see Max’s move on Sainz in the same corner at the same GP in 2023? Sainz did exactly the same as Max, left Max even less room, yet there was no crash and Max passed Sainz cleanly. Can you explain that?
Max positioned his car perfectly to defend around that track. The movement occurs prior to him braking, and it's arguably more to do with the shape of the bend. He is carrying less momentum than Norris because he didn't have the DRS. He brakes in a perfectly straight line; it's just that the straight line is not perpendicular to the track limits. The more I see it, the more I think it is an amazing pice of driving to cover the inside and then open the corner whilst in possession of the corner being the car that is ahead by a length and on the inside. Lando is just carrying too much momentum to properly control his car.
You couldn't be more wrong. You honestly want to disagree with current and ex racing drivers? Like you know more than them? 4000 hrs on Gran Turismo doesn't count. 😂
Well when the driver that is most a fault for the collision gets a 10 second penalty, while the other drive receives race ending damage... I would say its not just "2 drivers touching"
Verstappen made his own corner. Braked early, adjusted minor for the corner entrance and braked again. Just his way of cornering. The collision was unlocky, although i think he should haveleft slightly more space.
Everyone is talking about how max is wrong and stuff, whatever sure it’s true. But even if he never “moved ” to the left, I don’t think people understand that the move Norris was attempting to make would never work. Because there is not enough room as is to finish it around the outside, any driver attempting to overtake in this corner around the outside usually finishes off track because there is not sufficient room for this move considering another car is beside you.
They hit each other two times. First time was Verstappen's responsibility. But second time Norris deliberately hit Verstappen and that's when the punctures on both cars happen.
Actually... the puncture happened before Norris "hit" him again. You can see it better in the replays. The puncture came after Verstappen hit Norris the first time.
Norris had almost a half car length to the Apex , just compare it with the same vettel / hamilton’s overtake in the same corner , hamilton took the car wider to the apex , not saying that max is completely right , they both are accountable for it .
Not sure I 100% agree. The racing line here is to the left kerb, where Norris went. Max did place his car more toward the middle after existing out of turn 2 which is where you naturally would flow - after not seeing Lando sending another dive-bomb, he moved back to the left toward the racing line and continued on a straight line to the turn in point. He still left enough room for Lando but Lando stayed on his line and they collided. Lando could have avoided the crash but taking fully to the kerb or being just a foot to the left. Max was also turning right at the time of the collision. I would have said it was a racing incident, but I am not a steward. I also would have handed Lando his penalty a LOT faster - but, again, I am not a race steward. ;)
Yeah but i mean the reaction needed to do that wouldve been rapid and norris shouldn’t have to do that in the first place. Norris was on the racing line first and you don’t move to the racing line so close to a driver when they’re already there as that risks collision. But honestly this was bound to happen norris was desperate and verstappen was driving angrily and obviously has a a very agressive style of defending
@@speedsk368 Norris was sending dive-bombs, Max had to adjust multiple times to avoid Lando on the previous laps. Lando was behind on this crash and only needed to move left a foot...or not turn into Max that early. I still blame Hamilton though. ;)
he wasn't pressing the brakes fully probably, that is the only explanation lol. he braked way earlier than the braking point which meant he still had enough grip from the fronts to ask a bit of turning.
The guy overtaking is using most of their grip most of the time, but the guy being overtaken does not. That's why it's easy for the guy defending to move under breaking, but not always possible for the guy overtaking. That's why it's considered a dangerous move, since the guy defending might move into the path of the car overtaking, but the car overtaking no longer have spare grip to change his path.
Verstappen's aim was to cram Norris onto the curb (which would have required Norris to release his brake slightly and turn slightly to get onto the curb), then hold him high, leaving no gap between the cars, such that Norris would then have to wait for Verstappen to turn in, before Norris could even begin his turn in. The delayed turn in would have then made it such that Norris would have been nowhere near close enough to be able to draft up to Verstappen down the next straight. It's slightly dirty racing, but somewhat common in racing. Regardless, Verstappen is at fault because he moved into the outside lane, while Norris was in it.
@@Baker92849he turned right to give norris the outside/turn in then he tried to turn back to the left when he realized that Norris was taking advantage of this. Verstappen might’ve misjudged his steering as I don’t think he made the manuever with an intention of crashing into lando but he is still accountable
No, I don't accept 100% blame for Max, more like 80%, they BOTH could have avoided that, Lando wasn't even on the kerb! Just look at Vettel overtaking Hamilton in 2018, Seb left way less space but they still didn't collide
@@SkampyMAN So it’s a question of safety really. Max seems to do it a lot and it’s caused plenty of crashes. He was rear ended hard by Ricardo a while back doing the same thing. It’s not illegal but it’s risky and dangerous, especially if you deliberately veer into the path of a car that’s braking next to you. They can’t avoid you.
why are people going crazy over one incident while this happens all the time in nascar? Its almost like fia and f1 fans are babies and dont understand hard racing.
Exactly. Hard racing is what every f1 fan has asked for since Rebull's insane dominance for a few years. Finally we see two peak drivers, at peak aggression lap after lap. They touch by a centimeter and the world goes crazy. I guess Max is just THAT good - first vital mistake he makes in a couple years and everyone goes off on him. What a legend
I'm sure F1 loves the media coverage and is purposely stirring the conversation- this is an incident if it had happened at the back of the field no one would've cared.
Because nascar IS wheel to wheel competitive racing, u won’t make it in that sport if you can’t handle pressure. What we just saw in F1 was not competitive but a racer saying either crash or stay behind me, and the fans are sick of it
NASCAR barely have penalties, you can be as dirty as you want, nobody will penalise you except for certain stuff, such as pit lane speed limit and some other stuff.
I see it as Max initially making a mistake by moving in to soon to make the corner at a decent speed. He then realizes his mistake and tries to adjust and go a little bit wider in order to carry more momentum through the turn. 🤷🏽♂️
Max didn't make any mistake there. He braked at the latest moment he could from where he was on track without locking brakes while staying on track himself, and would have made that corner if there would not have been that incident. Pretty impressive being under constant pressure for so many laps in a row already imo. But apparantly that does not matter to Verstappen if he has the tools to do it. Kimi will admit to that. 😉 What could he have done better you think? Because I think Maxies wily defending was excellent and together with the RB's high topspeed, the inability to get his car alongside Verstappen even after 2drs zones, drove poor Norris to desperation momentarily... I mean, diving to the outside of turn 3?? What was he thinking, honestly!? 😉✌️
@F1Mike000 Brazil 2022, he took out LH on turn 2. He's on record stating that he KNEW they would collide if he didn't back out but had no intention of doing so. So, he knew he could brake and avoid a collision but deliberately chose to crash into LH (not for the 1st time). He got a penalty for that but should have had his super licence taken away for at least a year. Deliberately crashing in F1 is unbelievably dangerous.
@@101wildgoose I remember Brazil 22 and I just looked up his interviews from after that, he was just blaming Hamilton for not leaving space. You might be remembering something else, or just making up quotes, I am fairly sure he wouldn't just admit to an intentional crash. That would be idiotic. I thought you were talking about something he said about the Norris incident. I don't care to argue over incidents from the past.
That’s a very good analysis. In Verstappen‘s defense however, Norris was doing a lot of divebombing. He was not making clean passes under DRS down the straight. If you are going to dive bomb you have got to get your car completely in there and get the elbows out and force the issue, none of this quarter car around the outside nonsense. Barcia is to motocross as Verstappen is to motorsport, you may pass them but they’re not going to give it to you.
THE VIDEO YOU PLAY OF THE INCIDENT DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS YOUR CLAIMS! YOU ARE LYING! Verstappen's onboard video CLEARLY shows he NEVER TURNED HIS STEERING WHEEL INTO NORRIS! Verstappen is on the racing line, LOOKING AROUND THE CORNER and begins his turn by rotating his car. Norris hit's his left rear tire. Norris also HAS PLENTY OF ROOM TO MOVE LEFT! His DRS induced speed differential makes that harder but he has PLENTY OF ROOM! So WHY are you lying? You claim to be a "racing driver" why lie? We can all see the video clearly. We can also search for and watch the onboard videos which decimate your claims. Maybe look into that.
Im a Max fan but I get your reasoning. I just see it a racing incident between two aggressive drivers fighting for the win. Lando was desperate and put his car in a position that Max was always going to move towards. On another day they don't touch, it happens. I just wish overall people would stop complaining about every move Max makes nowadays. Do people want to see real racing or just DRS overtakes?
Frankly, Verstappen seems to be going down the path and pattern of Schumacher. So there is no doubt about his amazing skills. The opinion will end up being that he always chooses bad sports manoeuvresSO WILL NEVER BE REGARDED AS A REAL CHAMPION. Champions have character. They don’t cheat.
Pretty funny how the most exciting thing about F1 is two dudes touching their wheels in the slowest corner of the track. This is why I enjoy GT-class racing the most, everybody scraping every body panel against everybody on every corner and fighting it out, oh, somebody hit your fender? Sorry, move on. That's it.
Max braking early while Norris is in his mirrors.. REALLY??? He minimised space for Norris on his left legittimately. ( You can't say the same about Norris action at the Spanih GP start where he pushed Max on the grass at 250 kmph). Why would Max give more than a little space to Norris? In F1 there is no reason for that. This is front line F1 racing. There was enough space left for Norris to not hit Max's rear left tire , even under braking. The curbs are part of the racing track wich means there was even 2 cars width space for Norris. Yet, Norris decided to commit to the turn. As a defender THAT is excactly what you are trying to achieve, right? Hindering your attacker to commit to the turn and possibly overtake you. And if he could not control his car an inch to avoid the collission, it only proves his dive bomb approach which caused Max to not steer in and make contact left front wich was also not Max's fault therefore. I'm not a PRO racer.
I just wonder... when vettel did the exact same thing to Hamilton at austria 2018... same race,same corner,exact same situation... nobody screamed and cried😂.. o I know... because Hamilton took his experience as a champ,and didn't divebomb the corner when vettel took the racingline😊
As a well-known race engineer with 27 championships wins and 452 race victories, I can tell you that you really don't know anything at all, about real racing if that is your opinion. Just listen to Peter Windsor's analysis and I hope you will learn something. It is all about jealousy against Verstappen. This type of jealousy only happened to the really greatest drivers, just like it happened Senna, when for example Prost could and would not admit that Senna was much better than him. Some drivers will not accept to be beaten by a much better driver than themselves. The history shows that a cry baby that continuously falsely complains about another driver, trying to gain unfair advantage that way, will never become a champion. Mark my words.
You are a racer, and your explanations reasonate with the conditions at hand. However, compare this race with 1993 South Africa GP. Senna was down some 70hp, and used most of the road to stave off the inevitable. Likewise, 1991 US GP where Alesi overtook Senna in a very tightly confined track in a clean way. The cars now are too long and the tracks have been narrowed to ridiculous proportions. These are the real reasons for the incident between Verstappen and Norris.
Perfect analis .. I was GT championship winner in 1980 and that was a classic SHUT THE DOOR movement of Verstappen . He should take up stock car or banger racing .. playing the HARD man in millions of euros worth of F1 cars is irresponsible . and down right childish, stupid . It is a shame that the damage suffered on Noris,s car was terminal for him instead of Verstappen .. Now that would have been a just outcome . SO instead of some exciting / thrilling racing Verstappen chose banger racing tactics . He is sitting on a huge race points cushion and obviously didnt bother deciding to shut the door on Norris .. I have raced against idiots like Verstappen and by biding my time I was able to take them out cleanly .
He actually didn't turn at all. He was actually not steeing and because of track layout he goes to the left. Lando was desperate. The FIA is at fault here. They should have ruled the penalty for his track limits. even if Lando would have passed Max he wouldn't be there very long. If Max would have the DRS in the next round he would use the 3 zones to create a gap big enough to get out of the 1 sec of Lando. Passing Max is one thing. Staying ahead is something different. And if the penalty was given at that time to Lando Max would just have to cruise behind him in the DRS gap.
No no no man. Most of the time I agree with you, but not this time. Max moved to the right to cover the inside line. Then straightened the car aimed slightly to the outside to maximise corner entry angle, because why not?! He is in front and there is nothing there! Then he braked in a straight line. Then comes Lando diving in from more than a car's lenght away. Max actually was already steering to the right at the when they collided. And from onboard footage from Lando , you can actually see Lando turned in on Max!! Just did watch Lando's onboard footage myself. It is pretty clumsy looking what happened there. Also what was Lando going to do divebombing on the outside there? He clearly was frustrated he did not have enough performance to fully get his car along Max's car and did something dumb. That is what I saw happening... 😉✌️
Less talented drivers have big problems for steering whilst braking. But for Max it probably is busseniss as usual , he can conrol these situations. Thats why he is F1 Champion en we are not. Young Max did this as second to nature. Only when entering the F1 he got such massive complaints about it (especially Raikonen urged for restrictions) that he is not allowed to use his 'trick' anymore. Now he claims, he lets go of the brake for a split second and then move.
It's moving in the braking zone. Not under braking. It's about the car that attacks not the car that defends. The car that attacks can't change direction anymore without a lock up because is breaking so it can't avoid a collision. That's why the car that defends is not allowed to move in the braking zone.
@@sghitza1 all? Max got penalty for "causing a collision" (whatever that means), not for "moving under braking". Also watch recent "Peter Windsor: Verstappen Was Being a Racing Driver!" search on youtube. That might change your mind about what happened.
Terrible analysis, trying to make Verstappen seem like some crazy person. The reason he seemingly moved towards Norris after the collision was because Max was on the racing line and had to get out of the way for a car coming in fast behind him, so no, not a "reaction". Penalty was correct though, but this analysis coming from a "pro racer" seems to be looking for sensation where there is none, two individuals racing hard, one got penalized correctly, move on.
If you wonder why Verstappen was not penalized for pushing Lando onto the grass.... Look at the start of the Barcelona GP a week ago. It's obviously allowed.
what about Norris pushing VER in the grass last week ? ... btw the second time he (VER) has to move to the side, to make space for the upcoming Alpine ... in the end just British bias ...
It's hard to believe you actually watched the race. Lando dive bombed multiple times, Max had to steer clear of Lando at one time, was also pushed off track another time. Lando was also getting a penalty for exceeding track limits. Where the clips of those! Max was not going to stay on the right and hug the corner are you serious? Lando dive bombed once again, a slight correction could have saved his car and yes it could have been done, but would have exceeded track limits again.
oh boy, another guy with "brit bias" that was not erratic maneuver, it was a position defence, pure racing loud and clear. let them race, f off with this biases. let's talk about hammilton in silverstone 2021 again?
We need less rules in motorsport. It's becoming a pussified shadow of what it once was. This was perfectly fine, they barely even touched, bad luck, race incident, next!
i like nice racing. unfortunately most english don't, always shout rule this rule that. f1 is now a prestige sport, no longer a racing sport. a few laps before norris throws a dive bomb in, which caused max to go off the track, if he had left his car they would have collided, but max goes nicely off the track, that is accepting that it is hard racing. And you call yourself a pro racer.
Talking nonsense. Lando had planty space on the left. He could avoid this incident. Same corner last year just Max was outside and inside Carlos and they perfectly managed that corner without incident. Pretending understand a lot but really know fuk all.
The video is good but.. The first touch is often seen in F1 but The sequence directly after that punctured Verstappen was not ok from Norris, so 10s to Verstappen and 10s to Norris. After that Verstappen knew he hade a puncture and triad to get out of the way from racing line, Norris was to offensive.
At first I thought max didn't move, cause the track tragectory vs the car tragectory, but im not going to argue a racing driver. In the end, i hope cleaner racing from them both, especially verstappen. Btw im guessing they didn't penalise verstappen for the push to the grass cause in Spain norris did a similar maneuver which they didn't penalise.
Obviously with current day cars there was never the slightest danger for Norris during the collision, nor afterwards or for any other driver on the track.. So pointing out to poptential danger is as dishonest as can be. This video only shows how Max is the best driver, actually fighting for every inch on the track, outsmarting his opponents time and time again. If your favourite British driver is not on that level, cope harder.
Sorry but telemetry has already been made available and Norris was just as much in the wrong as Verstappen. Verstappen wasn't moving under braking. So he was allowed to close the door like that and him going there was expected following the racing line.
i agree with you m8... but we have instances in the past with other drivers doing the same thing only that they were on the curb... everyone defending on the inside is changing the line to the left to hit the apex... what is crazy for me is why didn't Lando try the same thing he tried a lap before? going hard on the outside and bait Max to break late while he could break earlier and have a better exit + DRS... would've give max 10s for forcing Lando on the grass after the incident is more appealing.
Verstappen does this all the time and its only the collision that is making people take notice?! Recently came back to watching F1 and my first take on Verstappen was he is a bully on 4 wheels. he also does it just enough so that the other drivers have a place to go. Norris had room to move to outside of track and Verstappen nudges over just that much but as this video points out Lando was full on heaviest braking and direction change is futile. He then jumps out of his car and starts yelling tactic to further enhance his position of dangerous to pass. If you try a pass on this man you will for one get a nudge off track and then after the race he attacks with ridicule to further his aggression dominance. I dont like him NGL here. Sorry to his fans.
But is anyone really surprised? It's Verstappen reverting to his old dirty tricks again - if you threaten his track position, he'll try to push you off the track. Ask Lewis about that.
In the end, Max's pit crew is partly to blame. He had a bad pit stop and lost most of his lead after that A normal 2.5 second stop and Norris is still not in striking range the entire rest of the race. He couldn't have collided with Max because he never would have caught him.
@@TheNorwegianPhantom I’m saying that if Max doesn’t have that slow pit stop, he’s far enough ahead of Lando that he doesn’t catch him. Lando might have gotten relatively close by the end but Max would have won by a couple seconds at least.
@@gregrowe1168 ok i agree with that, The Red Bull pit crew doing a rare mistake, made the race much more intresting, than if Max was left on his usual lonesome front spot.
@@TheNorwegianPhantom That's the winning strategy for Max and Red Bull. Qualify on pole, take the lead. Push hard to get as big of a lead as possible. And then, when they must pit, be the fastest or at least equal to everyone else, most notably Mcclaren. They failed to execute that last step and it turned into a dogfight with Lando. Max is seldom pushed late, trying to defend his lead. The 2nd place runner is usually so far behind he can't even see them.
