@@brucetec6597 ya, until you change pads and realize you don't have brakes until you hit the pedal 4 or 5 times. Seen a couple wrecks because of it. The dreaded double oil filter seal has blown more than a few motors also. This is kinda my point.
Who ever is making fun of this guy. Just thinking about being tired or not paying attention and a piece of plastic got into this and cause this much damage, no one posting can act like they never did anything dumb before, this must be extremely frustrating for the dude,
When I was doing an oil change last summer, with my two boys (10 and under) in 90ºF+ temperatures, I nearly forgot to refill the oil after I replaced the filter. And I've been doing this for more than 20 years! Heat, tiredness, frustration...these can all add up. One mistake can cause immeasurable pain. Thankfully, I caught my own mistake before I started the engine and rectified it. I used that as a lesson to my boys, who probably won't *really* get it until they're older.
@@crimsonking8942it gets stuck in the filter holes inside the filter and essentially clogs them up restricting flow to the filter. Looks like some of it then came out and got stuck in the engine. You're right though, you would think it would melt, but it clearly didn't.
I do mine on all my cars, and have been for a decade at least. And still a year or two ago I aaaalmost dropped the car on the ground without the wheels on. Bad things happen when you are tired
I wanna say it's not as bad as my Dad. He once drained the transmission fluid (confused the two drain bolts) then filled up the engine with oil (he was surprised how little he needed to put in to max out the reading on the dipstick😂) Then went for a quick drive, and boom gearbox grenaded.
@@DeepRacer-zr4ypI’ve seen techs do it working at quick lube places in my younger teens. When you know how to look for an oil pan it’s not hard, just a lot of shops involve zero training and believe whatever people say when they walk in for an interview. I’m now much happier as a new car PDI tech for a rental car company, the quick lube world is asinine.
I worked at a shop where a couple of brand new techs did this. One of them did it on a Mercedes AMG 63. From that day he didn't touch anything expensive but hats off to management for not firing him and had him shadow a couple of the more experienced techs.
@@bleach_drink_me I don't get how you manage that xD The transmission fluid is cherry red! My dad made the mistake because he was very new to cars and the oil looked the same.
Another tip, don't punch the seal on the oil jug. Carefully remove it. Eric O did a video on a Kia with collapsed lifters and cam damage, due to a piece of the oil jug seal getting stuck in an oil passage.
That always scares me. I always cut a slit in the seal and pry it up and off with a screwdriver or knife. Those seals in the caps deteriorate with time too.
RIP to this fella, he will be forever scared of doing diy jobs on his cars. Simple maintenance job turned into expensive mistake. Edit: Holy.... Never got so many likes on a comment before. Thank you guys :D
there's no fkn way bro master tech doesn't have the intuition to realize that the wrapper may have a chunk gone into the filter? I call cap....cap cap cap. Unless this was one of those once in a million times freak accident type thing and then still tho....kinda like having the filter media type of filter and o ring due to this
@@justinmike2zrfeActually this is kinda common on Honda OEM oil filters since they wrap the hole filter in plastic and not just the opening like Toyota. As soon as you poke a hole in the opening it‘s over, you want to remove it from the side or bottom
Coming from a time 50 years ago where you were expected to fix and repair things yourself, you learned simple things like stuff that just isn't taught anymore, hard to explain but it's still good to know. God bless my old man, RIP.
This is a great argument for how Mazda seals their new filters (not sure on other manufacturers), they do a plastic cover over the openings that you have to peel off rather than shrink wrapping the whole thing
Probably good advice about that plastic wrapper no matter WHAT, your driving. I've never found an automotive filter with plastic wrap on it myself, although I've done some commercial vehicle filters that came that way. Definitely something I'll be keeping in mind in the future.
After years of figuring out what happened to my engine, finally this video explains everything! My intake came snapped and the exact damages are very similar on this video! I thought my oil pump failed, or I thought the oil lost viscosity. Crazyy, thanks for sharing!
My engine builder told me to stop pushing the aluminum seal tab down in the oil bottles when doings my oil changes oops, I had 5 stuck to the oil pick up tube. Of course this was 35yrs ago 😃
@@2zzlowwhat’s blue book on the car? Customer must love this car, huh? Does it need control arms, struts, tires, or brakes? How many miles are on the transmission? Does the customer realize what they are getting into?
@@TbroughmanYou people are idiots. Some people have money and want to keep the csr they love. It's an easy mistake to do as well they did, a freak accident.
This is why I always check inside the filter before installing it. Also if im using oil that had those stupid aluminum coverings i make sure to peel the entire thing off. Making sure everything is off. You can also use a funnel with a screen for filling the oil. I always , always check inside the oil filters no matter what brand it is.
@@landondc4739 very true. So far though I have yet to find one. I do check though every time. Been using Baldwin filters, Purolator boss, and Full . Yes...FULL is the name of the company lol.
Realistically, you could rather ship it to the junkyard. If you have 10k of needed repairs, and your getting it quoted, you don't have the skills to get it done
The most expensive oil change ive seen was on a viper that didn’t sell for a year or two at the dealer . When a customer bought it, the dealer changed the oil and didn't put the oil in . Lube tech cost the dealer an engine . After the buyer backed out it went back in the showroom and the rear defrost shorted against the carbon fiber decklid . Shattered the glass and went to the dealership bodyshop where i worked for 9 1/2 years . We replaced the decklid and blended the quarters . Sounds pretty pricey for an unsold unit no?
When Honda had A01 filters there were made different somehow, flowed and filtered better than most filters but the modern A02 filters are just recolored FRAM/Honeywell you’re better off with FRAM ultra synthetic or some other high end filter like Mobil K&N or wix depending on application
A former colleague of mine refused to change the timing chain on his Audi at the service at the appropriate mileage. A week later he was trying to speed past a slow car, got up beside the other car and the chain broke... So instead for the little bit expensive chain replacement, now almost everything in the top and anything else powered by the chain needed to be replaced. Every valve was broken, every piston were damaged and the top was unusable. They had to more or less tear down the whole engine into it's individual parts before reassembly, according to my former colleague.
@@NicholasRiviera-Dr Yes, that's what he told me. I'm suspecting that the car was driven way harder than usual and servicing wasn't followed as closely as it should have been. But he had the car in the week before and he was asked about the timing chain and if it had been replaced.
@@kholdanstaalstorm6881 wow! Really if that was the case though, the servicing interval is too far apart. How many people service their cars right on the due date? Probably give or take a month, particularly an item that might only get replaced once or twice in an engines life time 🤔 But it’s an Audi, they would expect them to be driven fairly hard I would imagine?
Chances that a rando minimal wage newbie mechanic will do this mistake or any other stupid ones (forget to install drain plug, kill thread and so on) are 100x higher than me doing oil change at home.
Excellent video. Let me add to this: take a good look at the oil filter. If it has any little dent or imperfection, send it back. Imperfections create structural weakness on oil filters, and the pressure from the oil pump can tear through those imperfections causing problems like oil leaking through the filter. Oil filters has to look perfect.
@@A_Cowboy_called_JackRabbit Ignorance is bliss. Any dent on an oil filter is a point of weakness for an oil filter depending on the oil pressure. Why don't you stick with your ignorance so that i can stick to what i have seen first hand with experience? How about that?
$10k on a Mercedes would be a handful of issues. $10k on a Honda means a new motor with labor included. Sounds reasonable if it's a highly rated shop, that's competitive depending on the state.
When trying to save 1 second in the short term costs you 10 grand in the long run 😬 Feel so bad for bro, Honda really should be putting the tearaway perforations on the plastic seal so people don’t feel like they have to poke it
Yeah it's a pity I bet bro actually felt nice after filling the oil in, putting the cap on then taking a drive (As i do). Not even 5 minutes later "Oh Shit."
They do this at shops too or forget to fill it up after draining so do you trust the 21 year old kid that doesn't give a shit or do it correctly yourself
He wasn't trying to save time. He was trying to save money like the other 99.9999999999999% of DIYers out there. People would still poke it in the middle even if it had a pull tab on it that said "Open here". How bout not being a smooth brain and using some common sense when opening that filter?
I hardly ever checked oil filters. I bought a new filter for my daughter's motorcycle, and for some reason I just thought I'd look in it. Shined my flashlight in there, and there was a massive curly-q of steel in the bottom. Murphy thought he had me there. One of the few wins.
I've seen that before on a Cummins ISB 6.7. The lubber poked the oil filter, causing the plastic to break off inside the filter. The damage was more than 10K to fix.
I see another video where the customer poked the foil seal on the oil container into the bottle. One of them got loose while pouring and went into the engine. Didn't cause the same exact issue but something serious enough still.
Always make sure the old gasket comes off with the old filter as well. Otherwise you’ll double-gasket it when you put the new filter on. It won’t seal and will blow oil everywhere. A guy did that when changing oil in his RV, with the rear cowling removed. He started it to check for leaks….which he had when it sprayed oil all over inside his RV 😆
I worked on recovery vehicles and have seen a lot of strange things. One was a woman who wanted to prove to her husband she could look after her own car by checking water, tyres, oil etc . She knew that sometimes you need to top up the oil so asked a friend where the oil goes. He pointed out the filler cap on the top of the engine. She had removed the oil cap, looked inside and decided the oil was low so had poured gallons of oil into the engine to try and get the oil right up to the oil cap.😂
You just reminded me of a time a woman checked her oil and "didn't see any." She poured until she could see it, and hydro-locked the engine. "Wouldn't you think it would turn right over, finally being full of oil?" That thing smoked like an old diesel for over an hour after I drained it and blew the excess from the cylinders. 😂
He could claim that under his car insurance policy under comprehensive it’s an accident!! I worked at a car dealer in service and had a 70 year old man put antifreeze in his oil by mistake and I called his insurance company they covered it because it was an accident under comp!! Bet you didn’t know that
@@robertheinkel6225 Don't say NEVER because comprehensive insurance is very... comprehensive. It also covers things like faling trees or limbs, hail and wind damage, lightning damage, water damage... LOTS of things.
An oil change is very easy but always do a checklist it takes 2 extra minutes. 1. Drain bolt in and torqued 2. Did old gasket come off old filter 3. New old filter no rust and gasket check 4. Oil new gasket 5. Hand tighten oil filter 6. Refill with oil. 7. Run for few min check for leaks let sit check level.
So lemme get this straight. Honda will sell you a new head, and a new block, and all the shit that goes in it- But the dealer has to put it together? I get it’s brand new-brand new but shiiiiddddd. You can buy these 1.5 crates for $4500! A used core with less than 50k on it for $2500 or less. 27 hours for labor is mind blowing. This dude right here about to say fuck it and total the car and go buy a Tesla now
customer wanted a new long block and that's what Honda charges for it. its 27 hours because we had to take it apart to verify what happened and now put the new one in. 27 hours seems fair.
I always shine my flashlight in and take a good look. Anything could be floating around in there, accidentally left over from manufacturing. I have the same habit with funnels that are used for filling anything. I look down them, and blow them out. I won't use a funnel for filling anything if I can't easily see the whole way down the tube (as is the case with some flexible funnels).
Charging someone 10k to replace a motor is the most criminal thing ive ever heard of. Ive been building motors and doing engine replacements since 1998 professionally.
Lol dude, I'm an engine builder in Toronto, and 6 grand for the engine is getting of easy on a late model car. I'm contracted to do 2.4, 2.0 and 1.6 liter engines for the local Hyundai dealers and believe me they're making a lot more. And 4500 for install is pretty par for the course if you go to a reputable shop. Even the cheapest motor rebuild a SBC 350 is minimum 4k nowadays. Maybe prices where different in 1998, this is the new rate.
It’s a pinhole in order to increase pressure therefore increasing flow up vertically to the head. You shouldn’t speak or open your mouth when you don’t know squat haven’t studied or taken engineering classes on engine lubrication
@@abe2ham "shouldn't speak?" Read my comment again, you ignorant dolt...it is a QUESTION followed by an OPINION on the worst possible outcome. You shouldn't speak unless you understand grammar.
@@modquad18 Thanks, I needed a laugh. The highest quality auto manufacturer in the world is Toyota. It has been for nearly 40 years and no one in Detroit even comes effing *close*
junk yard vs new long block. its the customers decision at the end of the day. we don't force them to pay for anything they don't want. we actually offer LKQ engines aswell.
I'm a Honda tech, and there's a Service article about this telling techs how to remove the plastic. Hey Honda how about redesign the fucking packaging?
I'm honestly impressed there are people in this world who struggle to take seran wrap off. It's not exactly reinforced packaging, i use a fingernail to cut through these. And as a shop i prefer it over the boxes, the boxes didn't protect the filter from dust or dirt or moisture or whatever, sitting for months maybe years in a parts store just collecting construction dust or moisture from the air. The sealed filters have 0 issues with that. The other thing the sealed filter is visible you can inspect it right there and then no chances of wrong part inside the box some stores don't let you open boxes.
@Buckdalorian1000 fine waste money cause you think you can fix it. You will be giving someone who knows their shit too a call afterward and we laugh at you. Know what you can do and stick w it.
Over the last several months while everyone was complaining about the cost of EV battery replacements, shops quietly started charging $10k+ to replace an engine
I mean if you're a grown man....and can't change your cars oil and filter....you just don't need to be driving. To me that is....that's my opinion and every one has their own right to there's I'm just baffled at how stupid everyone is on an entire consensus level. It's a shame how lazy and unintelligent we have become as the only race of humans known as the human race lol Edit: so OP 2zz low said the guy said he was a master tech at Ford now retired ??? Damn that's nuts
Sometimes it’s not about being lazy. My friend is 24 with beginner stages of cerebral palsy and Parkinson’s and I change his oil for him. He can’t even get under the car to see what I’m doing, but nobody’s charging my disabled friend for what I can do in 20 minutes myself with ease..
@@jbphilly1234 negative its not and even tho i dont know every single bit of information on the human body I KNOW enough and especially dont just play guessing game with mine....now was my statement a bit exaggerated yes but would it only have hurt the ppl who cant : unscrew one bolt let it drain and return bolt to tight and then fill up the car at the top of the engine with oil? unless its filter change then literally unscrew it and put a new one on...Also yes...
@@jbphilly1234 oh yeah and also...driving a car is a privilege so if you cant keep it up on your own you shoudnt get the privilege of driving...just like having a house....its a priv if you cant keep it up you go back into nature...your example comparing that to the human body is wayy off i get where your trying to go tho but nah....its simple. im being harsh bc it literally takes a monkey seeing it done and it will never forget and be able to repeatable do these things its sad how fucking easy it is yet ppl(men.,, i mean children) are scared lazy beta that need to grab their balls and alpha up....i know doctors lawyers firefighters ALL KNOW how and ALWAYS change their own cars/trucks oil never have an issue
@@justinmike2zrfedriving is not privilege boomer there are three Supreme Court cases proving that. Secondly why are illegals with no social or anything able to get licenses in some states now if it’s a privilege . Wouldn’t that privilege only be for citizens? Oh yea it’s cus law of land is you have the right to travel
@jag4520 where does a oil filter go??? on the block of the engine! That's how it entered the oil gallery's through the oil filter and caught in the main passage. (And pickup filters only keep things from getting in from the pan not when it's not introduced directly into the oil passage/filter.)
Thats crazy. Also when adding oil or any other fluid, make sure that plastic/foil seal when opening the fresh bottle of fluid is completely removed or out of the way in the slight chance it comes off with the fluid being poured in
4.5k labour and nearly 6k parts to replace a head? that's insane. a couple of years ago i had the head off my civic VTi. new head gasket, valve stem oil seals and timing belt kit plus labour: £750+VAT, £900 total.
How can you try and screw on a filter without removing the plastic packaging 😅 Makes me think how does the person eat their food? Along with the packaging too 😅
Also pay very close attention to the metallic foil that seals the oil you're about to pour in sometimes people will poke and tear at it and that foil will drop into the container and then end up in the engine when adding the oil and you would never know otherwise. I take a x-acto knife and go around the perimeter and cut away one complete smooth disc that I personally discard in the trash.
Just finished putting entire long block on 2.9 liter GMC 4 cylinder. Entire job Cost me under $5000. That includes new manual clutch. No labor costs doing yourself
I took apart a Jaguar a few years ago and found bits of oil filter material in the pan. I assumed it was the result of that owner using cheap filers with extended mile synthetic oil changes. It was a different issue from this, but still one of those things you see.
the funny thing is that the honda filters are just fram filters which is perfectly fine since if they were even a tenth as bad as people say they were you'd hear about it on the news in lawsuits but the fram filters in stores don't have the wrapping so it would've not blown that engine.
Whoaa! Thanks for the heads up, I always buy the Honda filters and they come wrapped in plastic! And the other commenters mentioned the oil jugs with thar little seal on top. I carefully remove those but you never can be too careful! I need to inspect inside the filters too. We got Nissan, Honda, Toyota as 3-4 least expensive to maintain, BUT, you guys didn’t tell us numbers 1 and 2! What gives?
This is actually a good selling point for doing your own oil changes because those high school kids they hire could easily make this mistake. They always screw something up
Ford motorcraft filters started coming to dealerships like this and techs were using an ink pen or similar to poke the end and ford ended up buying alot of engines before they found out the issue and redid their training program.
2 years ago at Valley Power Systems in CA the parts guy handed me a fuel filter with no cover over the end of the filter. I gave it back and demanded a new one. The center hole of filters of filters is where sub 5 micron fluids come out. Skin cells are larger then 5 microns thus risking a customer's engine for a 13$ filter. That's dumb 😕
I drive a 2000 Honda Accord so it's cheap fram in the box and i have a buddy with a car lift at his home garage so i just take it there and relax while he does the work. It's nice having someone you grew up with to be a mechanic and a welder
DIY or not: The kids and PT adults shops hire to do the $30 oil changes are pretty sloppy in their shop practices....from mishandling filters to impact wrenches on oil plug bolts to cross threading to rounding over. In an ideal world all oil filters come in boxes, not shrink wrap. All shops use a filtered pour can as even bottled oil sometimes gets contaminants.
The exact same reason why i dont like the foil top on the oil bottles! I've been using a screened funnel for refilling the oil. You'd be amazed at how much that screen filters out!
That’s rare to happen. Please make sure to watch videos on RU-vid quite as often as possible before DIY on your car. I watch RU-vid a lot on how to do things on car before I diy my own car. So far I’ve done quite perfect on my car diy projects.
Easy job. I would trust doing it myself before a mechanic who’s only care is to do it as fast as possible. Seen way more engines ruined by mechanics than DIYers.
