Problem Horse | Food Aggression 

Yes... one should always be on guard around horses. It is a little known fact that horses love feeding on human faces. They simply can’t get enough of them. One day, the bloodthirsty Millie will hear those pellets rattling & she’s gonna think to herself, “Millie, know what would go *GREAT* with those tasty pellets? *HER FACE* & then as a show of my strength I’ll roll in the blood. Heck, I bet they send another bucket rattler in here tomorrow & I can score another, fine & tasty face. Mmmmm mmmm, dems good eats. I better just knicker & whinny, play it real cool. Yep, just me, Millie, just doing horsey things. ~snort~. Nice, I can taste that face already!” 🐴 💭

@@kerryc What the hell...

@@kerryc horses bite. hard. and it hurts. it's not about eating. clearly, you've been around horses and would know that. horses can weigh 800-1200 pounds. I do not condone abuse of any animal but what he did was not abusive and your response only shows your ignorance of what it is like to deal with horses. I would rather tap a horse on the ass with a whip than have my face kicked in. horses may be herbivores but they can still kill a human easily.

@@spectrumwarrior9560 You take life *WAY* too seriously. I’m WELL aware of the damage that can be had from horses, sir/madam. While horse bites can be dangerous, you run a higher risk of bruising & contusions than you run the risk of “having your face eaten off by a horse.” The worst equine related injuries that run a higher risk of death are from kicks & throws. One of the worst horse related injuries I’d witnessed was someone that was thrown & then kicked by a spooked horse, which resulted in a broken neck, both legs having multiple compound fractures, one knee was hyperextended & uh... yeah; not a fun time for that poor soul. However, lecturing & spreading weird fears in comment sections isn’t helpful to people nor horses. The chances of having one’s face bitten/eaten off by a horse are a billion times less than your chances of being struck by lightning. Having respect of horses & awareness of the surroundings is something that will benefit others other than shock tales of woe, horror & vampiric, face eating horses. Lighten up & be more open to the comedy of life & by gum; keep your face away from Millie! I hear she’s hungry & the stable has a new job opening.

You much respect their size and power. But more than that approach and behave with confidence around them.

I'm very glad my horse is a rescue, sort of the opposite of these 'spoilt' horses who are used to having their way. Still, I've taught my horse to never show her back to me (actually kind of regretting that cos I want to brush her tail and she will spin around to face me). Safety for both you and the horse needs to be at the front and foremost. NEVER spoil a horse that doesn't deserve it and NEVER fail to correct a misbehavior. Give me one session in a round pen with a naughty horse and I'll have him or her straightened out, no problem

Now you see how God has to deal with us as sinners ;)

woah, sorry you experienced that Debra

Damn deb hope ur better now!

Wow

That is exactly why very clear and consistent rules are in place at feeding time. You must establish that there are boundaries and lines that may not be crossed. If they cross the line they may not eat. A good time to put out food is when they calmly step away from you and allow you to pour it into the bin. That's when you drop it. That is how you set the boundary.

I knew a lady that had a horse that bit off her ear lobe because he was food aggressive

Hello beautiful lady,how are you doing and your family,how is the weather condition over there?

@@nelsonwesson9644 u r creepy

Totally!! "Buck you" ... made me chuckle.

I had a 100+ lb filly... l month old. She turned her but to me when I came in to feed mama... Then she started a pre- kick dance, butt going up, down and swishing her tail... I knew both feet were coming up next. I held my booted foot about 6 " from her rear and waited... then when it came, her butt hit my boot lol it was so funny. It was , wth just happened, did my butt hit the wall?!! Time to hide behind mama... she never tried it again and has great manners.. No, l did not boot her - she hit the boot when she tried to kick me. Did it to herself it was a Kodak moment ❤

I agree

Same plus if youre horse was like that would have to get a trainer to train yoire dan horse and he has to slap them whit a stick

@@jeannegevaert2144 *your

The issue is she's listening to a halfwit and knows it. These tactics go against every bit of her natural horsemanship and it shows that in her body language.

@@greenmanejuice5424 Her 'natural horsemanship' landed her with a food aggressive mare...

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What did you watch??? He whacked the horse hard, repeatedly and she kicked.

@@emsnewssupkis6453 what did YOU watch??? the horse kicks first and he respond right away with the same energy, if this had been done from day one, the horse would back off and be docile just with human prensence but since they let it slide it thinks its boss

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If we could just do the same attitude with people - not get amped up - as it may not be personal...!!! We are actually more compassionate for animals than fellow humans whether with real or imagined offense are their slights against us. Why do we have more patience with animals than one another. Just saying.

Yup

It is ridiculously easy to teach a horse to be nice when feeding sweet mix! You literally tell the horse to 'step back' and if the horse tries to grab the sweet mix bucket, you GIVE IT TO ANOTHER ANIMAL. I used sheep or chickens for this. The horse gets to watch them eat the sweet mix. After two or three times doing this, the horse figures out to not go nuts for the mix but to step back and wait. It is hilarious fun and no hitting of the horse.

For example, Sparky was poked with a pitchfork to move him aside for feeding. I never did this. I made a game of feeding all the other animals instead of him. It took literally less than 24 hours for him to learn to not only step aside and wait but he never tried to kick me in the stall, ever. He trusted me to do things right and I could trust him to trust my instructions. Also, TALK to the horse! Tell the horse what you are doing. Do this in a deep voice. Make loud snorting sounds, too, like horses. They love this.

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I did not know weaning off ice cream was real...I thought this was a "scare" for adults 🤣

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🤣😂🤭I'm just as guilty

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@@robbieoconnor9132 small taps won’t do nothing to that beast. But a double kick will, it can kill him and especially Jessica.

@@robbieoconnor9132 how?

@@ryanrosehorsemanship Ryan does it the old fashioned way, whacking horses and using punishments to get cooperation. There are much better ways to get animals to cooperate. I used to train all sorts of wild animals from skinks to bobcat kitties, Gila monster, alligator, cats, dogs, horses, etc. when I was only a child 60 years ago. Some of my 'pets' ended up at the Desert Museum and were used to entertain children showing how wild animals act and live.

Seems silly responding to a comment from 6 months ago but if you have seen more of Ryans videos youd hear him talking about the horses physcy and speaking to that rather than using old school methods like lunging and tiring the horse. But this specific horse problem was specific to feeding time and the stall where feeding occurs. Given the space and level of aggression "buck-you" attitude, he had to respond with the equal or more amount of energy. The horse will get over and learn lessons from those harmless taps. However the ederly barn helper and young jessica could seriously get injured.

Food aggression is easy to stop: DO NOT FEED AN AGGRESSIVE ANIMAL. The animal, no matter what kind, has to learn to cooperate when being fed. Even wild animals can learn this. You reward them for cooperating.

If a horse did that to me its name would become "food for dogs".

You're very brave for getting back on horses again. That kind of injury can traumatise someone for life. Then again us horse people are a special lot

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🤣 exactly. I was a little surprised, as I THOUGHT that was “Millie”! Boy, was I wrong.

Same😂

Me too!!! We were clearly wrong! 🤣

He's not Millie, he's just "hanging out".

Most of the time.

@@windmillstables1 absolutely

Literally

Always..

So true tho! 😊

Its contagious 😂🖤

Same.

yes

I am a woman who trained both domestic and wild animals. Many girls dream of doing this but cannot be successful due to 'mothering' animals who then push these young ladies around or refuse to cooperate. It doesn't take a person who knows how to be Top Dog very long to get cooperation from horses. But most young ladies want the horses to love/assist them instead of being the Lead Stallion, themselves.

I loved that saying!! That was a good one. She "said" it to you several times!! The last shot in the stall she looked like a pouting kid!! Hysterical!

I giggled out loud when he said that. love it

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“ buck you too “

Literally, I call this the "oops, did I get in your way?" It teaches personal space because if you weren't so on top of me, you would have been out of range of my flailing item or limb. They don't see it as personal either lol

Just push his nose or try to back him up

Not a hate comment!!! I really respected and liked the video.

Thats not accurate, it should be, there are problem horses and problem owners, but its always problem starts with owners.

It's said about dogs too, and while I don't completely disagree, a lot of people are unaware that there are a lot of other factors that can affect behavior- things like diet/gut issues, physical pain, diseases (esp thyroid disorders), and vaccine-induced behavioral changes (more common than ppl realise). Whenever there's a major behavioral problem, it just makes good sense to rule out each of these contributing factors as well. :)

My favorite too!

Only horse I couldn't work with was one I could not read. His expression would be happy while acting aggressively. There was no warning when he would go at you. Had to end up giving him away. Latter I heard a horse in the town he went to bit someone's fingers off, always wondered if it was him.

You really haven’t read the book have you!

@@margolenney6032 lol they were probably just making a connection too the movie because that didn’t happen in the book I believe idk I forgot I read them all though

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Exactly, give them a good slap on the back and they think twice to throw a fit as they now respect you. The same with leading, I often had to pinch their nose so they would stop and just think OK ok you're the leader

@@TheOcculticUnicorn go pinch you kid then horses have thin skin

@@dontknowwhattoputhere3501 What?

@NonsenTional ಠ_ಠ I don't pinch them hard, I only grab their loose skin.

@NonsenTional ಠ_ಠ No problem. It is the same as when you grab your lip, that's about as sensitive as a horse's nose.

Yes, he beat the horse until it retreated into a corner. Yup. Not all that smart but it does work. There are easier ways to teach an animal.

The wiring of the stables was very unstable and in many places, illegal. Barn fires are all too common.

Every year horses die in barn fires because of those fans.

I think earn your trust in your animals and you shouldn't have to beat them with flags whips or any other thing you can find. Whether it be a horse dog cat bird rabbit rodent. Everything with teeth feet will always attack if under threat. Even a snake won't attack unless you corner it

@@narelleguthrie542 You obviously never trained horses.

@@narelleguthrie542 how many prescription drugs are you prescribed? You should cut back.

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I agree.

Horses don't use words, they use energy and body language to communicate. Energy up, energy down tells them what they need to know.

@@jeanedevries1 One really good thing about cue words though, is their use with the people working with the horse. Horse training can be helped by cue words not just for the horses sake but for the person handling the horse to symbolise/gain a habit of when enforcing or releasing an energy/behaviour to invoke certain reactions. Its a good way for ourselves to remember steps or what to look for in our horses reaction exactly within those seconds around the cue+body language use. If you get what I mean. ;)

Correct. I always said, 'back off' to the horses and cows! It works. Doesn't work on sheep, though. They just baaa at you.

I agree strongly

I lost count of strikes on the horse after ten times.

@@emsnewssupkis6453 you must have watched the video 3 times cause he only tapper her 3 times with weak ass shots 🤣

@@salut438 Try counting.

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HE LITERALLY SMACKED IT WITH THE WIP MANY TIMES?😤

@@the_horse_girl3710 anything he does is WAY LESS than a herd member would do "to teach them" If these behaviors dont get nipped in the butt now they will NEVER continue to build a relationship.

@@the_horse_girl3710 That's a way of showing Dominance he didn't smack it on the head like I've seen many trainers do, or kick the horse Though its your opion and I respect that

@@the_horse_girl3710 you do realize that how they learn out in the wild they get nipped by other horses same kind of concept!

Definitely, thanks!

i disagree

@@dariaharruff7025 You are wrong, 99% of the time when I work with problem horses the problem went directly to the owner or some previous owner.

@@radamson1 it's not a horse problem it's people problem js

@@dariaharruff7025 Right!

Disagree. Teaching them to kick only ramps up the risk and the disrespect.

John Fletcher, please let me know how claiming your space teaches a horse to kick? I find your response hard to understand. I've had horses for over 30 years and I have never been bitten or kicked,

@@1suitcasesal I've had them for 67 and still run half a dozern or so for stock work and touch wood have never given them chance or reason to kick or bite me. Hard to tell on a vid but there is a difference between giving a bump and administering a wack.. From here old mate Ryan seemed to me to be doing the latter??

Agree with John Fletcher, Janet! You do need to own your space - it's simple & can be accomplished without ever touching (hitting in R. Rose's example) a horse or acting aggressively. Has to be consistent, firm, but kind. In no way does hitting a horse teach them manners or respect. It teaches fear & hatred.

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So you’re a mare? What

@@fer572 😂 it's a saying in the horse community

You sound a little mean, you dont have to whip a horse to tell them you are the boss, you just have to make them move. They have to go where you want them to go, if they dont move, you make them move. Once they understand and do what you want, they get to stop moving and relax. Horses in the wild only move if they have to, (kinda lazy) but it saves energy in case they have to flee from a predator. THATS how you make yourself "lead mare".

@@cardinalfox4551 well guess what hunny? you have to hit a horse to make em move. Obviously not whipping the life out of them. And tbh you sound a little dumb.

@@carietrinityfamilyfarm8183 dont call me hunny, and no you DONT have to whip them to make them move. You wave the whip around BEHIND them. A whip is supposed to be used as an extended arm/hand, you dont smack a horses butt with your hand either if you forgot the whip. Tbh you sound like your talking to a little kid.

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Consistency and clear communication

Agree! She doesn't know when she can and can't eat. I use "OK" when they are allowed to go to the food.

@ 16:09 - whacks her in her rump & she was already walking away. WTF? This poor horse must be so confused. He is doing damage rather than helping. Wouldn't let him near a horse of mine.

I agree Inge. His whole training approach is passive aggressive. He is not consistent or on time when adding/ releasing pressure. No wonder the horse is upset & confused.

@@mdee860 I wouldn't say she was already walking away at 16:09. She was showing aggression as she was backing up to move. There's a difference in being respectful and moving and showing aggression. Also, maybe he didn't realize at the moment. It's easier to judge while watching a video then to actually be there. Were you the person standing right behind a kicker? No. Anyway. I agree with the cue word. That could've made things easier.

I understand what you mean, but I disagree. The whole training was about claiming space. The horse got it. When the human leaves, the horse can come to eat. He kept standing there, so she had to wait in her corner. Later on, you could add a keyword for the horse to come and eat, but this early into the training it would be too confusing. At least that's my opinion ^^

@@martinap6728 As you know, horses always use queue words with each other. They are usually Russian for some reason.

When there is no longer a human present that space is available to her.

@@martinap6728 I agree with you on all counts.

Body language over cue words.

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I don't think the horse is a bully...she is 2 and still learning boundaries, completely normal. It is important for anyone that comes in contact with a 2 year old horse to be consistent and firm.

Agree with all the best to Jessica - but don't consider from here the filly is a bully - my take on her is she is young a classic flight responder, impressionable and needs experienced guidance.

@@wendynewberry6283 Yo. (I'm getting sick of typing Agree).

@@johnfletcher7312 Agreed. I guess I phrased it wrong.

@@calgal7828 No No not at all far from it. I'm just getting physically sick of typing the word "Agree"!! Incidentally I wonder if old mate Ryan is lying back LOL at all this and counting the benefits of a nice little Yuotube vid gone a little viral? Ryan - are you ??

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What about a bear

I love that idea! ❤

Yes, clicker training works for lots of animals. Good idea.

@@johanna8206 really? How bout showing your horse you are high horse and they won’t dare test you. On occasion they do, correction should be swift. How does a clicker stop him if you walk up, or another horse..he’s not aggressive?

@@keelsmac01 Yes, that's one way of approaching aggression, however, it has a lot of shortcomings and potential fall-out. The truth is that most, if not all, aggression is rooted in fear. Sometimes you can suppress a behavior through punishment (though worsening the aggression is also very likely), but the emotion behind the behavior remains, and will often crop up in a number of different ways like creating new behavioral issues, creating an animal that is fine around you but not others, or that may suddenly aggress out of the blue (unreliable/unpredictable aggression is especially dangerous), etc. I had a *major* change in opinion regarding this after working with dogs with severe aggression and other major behavioral issues and witnessing the differences in outcomes between the two different approaches. For instance, some behaviors we label as aggression are actually warning signals the animal gives in an attempt to *avoid* aggression (like a horse pinning their ears, swinging their head around to threaten a bite, or swinging their haunches towards us, or like a dog growling). Punishing the warning signal often results in the animal skipping the warning in the future and going straight to the bite/kick. This is why punishment often *increases* aggression. The only way to correctly punish the bad behavior is to allow it to happen first, which is kind of insanity. You'd have to wait for the horse to actually bite, or charge you down, and then punish immediatly. Instead, we can use a proactive approach and use the warning signals (or previous aggression) as information on what situations trigger the unwanted behavior, then structure training sessions to change the horse's emotional reactions to those situations (aka counter-conditioning), and teach them what you *want* them to do instead. The perfect example of this is the person who trained the horse to go to the back of the stall and wait for food- that's called a replacement behavior, and you can often eliminate most problem behaviors by teaching a replacement behavior that's incompatible with the unwanted behavior (i.e., the horse can't bite you from the back of the stall). So, to answer your question, I would 1) find out what triggers the behavior 2) manage the animal so they can't practice that behavior 3) construct a counter-conditioning plan and come up with an appropriate incompatible replacement behavior, and incorporate this into their daily routine. This is the basic premise behind behavioral modification training, and it's extremely effective, with the added bonus of not creating unwanted or secondary behavioral problems.

@@keelsmac01 last time I tried that with a shire I almost died

I find mutual respect often works with husbands, but each to their own. Horses? They have to know that you are dominant.

@@JackOllie4 My fiancee learned to not step inside while I am cleaning because I whacked him with my broom. It was his damn fault for not taking me seriously, I also warned him 10 times and asked please several times too. He is amazing and our relationship is healthy but sometimes you gotta put him in his place. LOL

@@dalilarocha4562 weird

She is not being too kind. You need to be kind with horses. "Treat others like you want to be treated."

This horse was trained to be aggressive for sure..NO criticizing Jessica but she didn't know she did this..and she did the right thing by bringing in a reputable person to help her..Congratulations Jessica

It really depends on the horse. We had gelding that I could punch with all my force and he'd be back in 2 seconds, ready to continue the game (when his "hormones" kicked in, he got really dangerous, hunting other geldings, trying to separate me from my mare on the meadow, once pulling on the neck part of my hoodie pullover and thereby choking me, when I turned my back on him). My own mare sometimes "takes a hit" for good measure. She knows that she is breaking the rules, she does it anyway and accepts the punishment as consequence. But if she does not know why she is punished, she freaks out (it mostly happens when I make a movement she interprets as me going to hit her - and often she is wrong. Or when she bumps her head into things because she gets too happy over a head rub). We have another mare that I can't punish at all, though she is cheeky. But she is kind of cheeky and really scared at the same time? Like she bit me in the neck while petting her head once (and in the jacket another time), but if I get too loud or move too fast, I can't approach her, because she will run scared.

I don't aggree with you. The use of aggression for horses training is just a traditional way of training but nowadays there are some more positive and effective training methods... It is all about understand animal behavior, theory on reinforcement and know how to apply all of this. Of course you need to "study" a bit about all this before in order to get good results. I always think that yeah horses bite to each other and all of that, but I am not a horse, I am not as strong as a horse but I have intelligence and I should use that, make the efford to understand them and find ways to let them know what I want without the need to bite or kick like a horse 😆. Positive training (so no smack) is use to even train elephants, tigers and bears in zoos and its working out great, so why not with horses?

@@tursiopss Anthropomorphism does not help animals. Thinking like a human when handling horses could get someone hurt and it just confuses the horse. I have 40 year experence owning horses. Do you own horses? There's a big difference between aggression and discipline. I have eight horse two of them are best friends and total opposites. Cobalt (gelding) is sweet and gentle and kind. Willow (mare) is cheeky, fun and a little rascal. She can gets very bolshie with people and my boy around feed time. Even though they a best friends. I nip it in the bud by waving a training whip at her and she soon knows to back off. This is what a horse would do with an ear pin or worse, with a kick or a bit. Far worst that a little palm smack. Now if I waved the whip at my boy. He would be so upset with me, he wouldnt talk to me for days, he is so soft. I just say "ah, ah" to stop him doing something he shouldn't. Differet horses need different levels of disapline. You can't pigeon hole them all the same. You say people are not as strong as a horse. All the more reason to correct disrespectful or dangerous behavour. People who don't disapline their horses are putting themselves and other people in danger. Horses don't need hugs and kisses, they need a leader they respect and feel safe with. Discipline doesn't mean I don't love my horses with all my heart. It means I want my family to be safe around them and for my horses to be safe around each other.

@@blauespony1013 Oh wow, he sound like a stallion. Maybe a bit riggy. I talk about two of mine in the comment below. i have one I could never smack, it would hurt his soft feelings too much. Then I have one that needs a smack on the chest or a whip just waved at her. She would be food aggressive in the wrong hands. But we keep it nipped in the bud.

@@twilightingX Maybe I didn't explain it right. It is not about anthropomorphism, I am not giving the horse any human characteristic! I don't own a horse but I have work with horses along with other animals always using positive reinforcement when training and it has work out pretty good so far. What you are saying about how your horses react to a whip or your voice is just happening because you introduced those stimulus on a negative way in some moment of their life, that is just the traditional way we have use to train horses and also used for dogs in the past (not recomended anymore), issue with this methods is that we ussually react when the animal does a wrong behavior but don't react that much when the horse does the right thing because people just don't know how to reinforce a horse, they think saying "good boy/girl" is going to be enought like if horses could understand your verbal language out of nowhere (not saying you do but many horses owner I have seen just use that as reinforcer)... the guy on the video is actually reinforcing the horse a few times when it does right but he could have avoid those aggresive moments by training an alternative behavior without the need to slamp the horse with the whip such as: "train a target, introduce target when the person goes to the stable to give food, give a better reinforcer than that food when the horse is on the target so she will see that she get better things out of stay there with the target than being aggresive to the person... over time aggresive behavior will start to go down and horse will learn to stay in that specific point when food is given", that is just an small example. Positive training is about ignore the bad behavior but reinforce a lot the good one, of course this has to be done right from the beggining to avoid aggresive horses but a horse with aggresive behaviors can come out from all types of training methods if they are done wrong... I have seen lions that stay quite like nothing is happeing while they are getting blood samples juts because they have been train on a positive methods, just to tell about how incredible things animals can do if they are teach on a positive way. Horses don't need hug and kisses, I know hahha but I am not saying that :) reinforcement can be a small piece of a food they love, social introduction or something as simple as release pressure. You just need to know each individual to see what can be more reinforcer at every point, no need to be a leader by slamping them!

And not confident is a recipe for disaster - as a general observation Jessica nothing personal. It you were one of my kids I woudn't let you near this horse to learn on.

Hello how are you doing?

That’s just horrible.

Yeah, last I heard they’re doing well.

@@ryanrosehorsemanship Look forward to the latesrt new and improved version Ryan?!

@@ryanrosehorsemanship "yeah, you heard they're doing well" I'm sorry but that does not sound like a follow-up. You know hearing and seeing are two different things. I'd have to see how "well" that situation is going LoL ❤️🐴

Good lord, I grew up in the old days when we kids were physically beaten in school. Now, children beat their teachers. The guy here beat the horse literally into submission. He should work in a city school instead. I would highly recommend this, in fact.

Hello how are you doing?

Agree

Thanks, I agree

@@ryanrosehorsemanship And you're gorgeous too.....just saying x

That's what I'm saying while watching this he's a good looking man. He doesn't sound southern I'm from Jersey he sounds like he's from PA /NJ maybe CA

Hello how are you doing