Problems with C1 Ariete. Worst NATO tank? 

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If I were cynical I might say that it was developed to fulfil NATO obligations while knowing that it would probably never be required to fight.

It does look pretty nice though.

looking at the state of Italy's finances I don't think there's it is getting a upgrade anytime soon

Let's talk about the next elephant in the nato room: romanian mbt t-55 inspired tank XD

centauro II though is kicking ass :D and its italian maybe they are focusing more on wheeled light vehicles that carry a big bunch rather than heavy and more costly armor .

Spaced armor provided by two thick base pepperoni pizzas.

C1 Ariete is good enough to fight Italy’s real enemy: Mafia.

I don't know why, but I srsly love the design and look of the c1 ariete.

Yeah, it's Italian, its sexy!🥊

I would like just to point something out: 1- It's true that the tank isn't really up to date, but seeing that Italy has just 1/5 of its borders shared with other countries, and seeing that the land border is covered by really steep mountains that are hardly crossable by large armored formations, does it really matter that much to have a powerful MBT? In such a contest it is far more viable to use nimbre vehicles or shoulder carried ATGMs. 2- Linked to what I was talking above, Italy has developed the B1 Centauro to fulfill the need for a nimble vehicle capable of destroying enemy armor, such a vehicle is far more useful on harsh terrain like the Italian Alps, such vehicles has seen different series, the one currently in service is the B1 Centauro Serie 3 and the B2 Centauro 2 is currently in development, this shows how Italy is much more focused on developing nimble, fast vehicles than Main Battle Tanks 3- Recent wars has showed that the MBT is slowly but steadely falling out of favor, it is possible to see that with the recent Turkish campain in Siria, where their far more capable modernised Leopard 2A4 got destroyed multiple times by militias armed with shoulder launched ATGMs 4- Italy is sort off updating the C1 Ariete, what is known till now is that it will recieved an upgraded engine, whider tracks, new breaks, transmission and turret rotation mechanism. Unfortunately is not known if the WAR addon armor kits will be updated too (for the frontal part of the tank) and if it will still use the addon armor PSO Tipo 2 (for the sides)

When you're Italian and feel bad af because the C2 release has been postponed :')

It s stated that the frontal armour of the ariete equals the frontal armour of a T-72B from 1985: 550 mm.

50mm... I wonder if even some more modern anti-material rifles couldn't penetrate it from close range.

it's a decent mid 80' tank.. so in 2019 it sucks yhea... a upgade program will start in 2020-21 ca. the governement provided the founds this year for the development of the upgade

The tank as been recently upgrated, new engine and trasmission, new optics for the gunner and Commander and modified anti-mine bottom. Now can be mounted more heavy addictional armor. Still not the best tank, italian army relies more on centauro and centauro 2

Astonishing how the comments lit up with all sorts of crap talking and gun tube size comparisons when the video was about Leo or Abrams or T80, etc.... The Ariete gets a turn we get spaghetti and gelato jokes. Nobody takes this thing seriously. Just saying......

What about the most important question does it have a gelato machine?

The C1 Ariete was good enough to reach best place behind Leopard user in the 2016 US Army held Strong European Tank Challenge... AHEAD M1A2 Sep v2... and M-84... The C1 is much comparable to the japanese Type 10 and Type 90 the Type 10 is more modern but much lighter even in the most heavy armored version, the Type 90 is larger but lighter and has only half of the operational radius of the C1... The C1 like the japanese Type 10 and 90 or the Merkava are specially designed for their nations geography... so this worst tank of NATO is a fail conclution because there are for sure much worse tanks in service like old T-72 models or the stone age old M47, M48 and M60 still in service in the turkish army... and most likely a Leo2 A7V or CH2 or M1A2 Sep with their enourmus weight of 60 to 65to would run into trouble fighting in Italy were the lighter C1 could perhaps outmaneuver them thanks to great range and the ability to cross bridges that are not able to carry the 10to more heavy tanks... Tanks like Merkava, C1 Ariete, Japanese Type 10 and Type 90 are not comparable with standart NATO tanks that were designed to go head to head with a number superior enemy on wide open north Germany country side were you could easly fight enemys between 3 to 5km range.

There is a war package for front turret armor. I’m surprised you missed that.

The armor of the Ariete is classified, but it has been stated that actually it has composite armor in the lower plate of the hull.. mate you basically made a video on a tank using only info found on war thunder, I mean seriously?🤦🏻‍♂️

for such a short video 2 ads seems a bit much maybe make the videos longer to water down the ads. (yes, I know this a silly thing to complain about but I assume he wants any feed back from his community)

Now I don't wanna be the "actually" guy, but it seems that you literally took war thunder armor values and just slapped it in a video passim them as true values. Ariete's armor is classified information and even gaijin said that the armor is a placeholder because the don't have information. But on the site of the manufacturer it sais it has equal protection as the Leopard 2A4s, and that is without warkits modifications. So I would't say it has souch bad armor, when you dind't even have reliable information on it. Never the less it's true tha the Ariete is a tank that was build with a lack of foundings and the end of the cold war did't helped.

The last time I was this early Trst was still Slovenian.

The problem for the Ariete is the little support it has received, Italy is in an economic stagnation, no money = no better tanks

1:37 Stronk soviet anthem starts playing For the legendary stronk tank of the union

Always think about what the C1 was about. It was design to counter Russias T-72/80s. Sure it still can't take on modern tanks, but it wasn't designed to do so.

Spaghetti armour intensifies

I play war thunder, and I can say... It is awesome.

Italy dont invest to much on MBT because is not necessary due to the conformation of the territory . Ariete is old and Italy have only 200. An update is planned ( MK2 ) : *new crawler tracks, wider and new final reduction units; *more powerful engines, 1500 hp against the current 1300 hp; *new transmission systems; *the entire brake system completely re-engineered; *new ballistic shooting calculator; *new pointing and observation optics that will replace the technologically outdated systems and will also seek logistical communality with the combat platforms in service (CENTAURO II armoured vehicle). Probably Italy will collaborate for the next Euro MBT together with France and Germany ( but is only a rumor for now )

the ariete does actually have composite in the hull just no one knows what it is. that said the ariete isn't really italys main focus. much like japan, the terrain isn't friendly to heavy MBTs so the centauro and friends are more practical. this doesn't excuse the poor performance but it does explain it edit: also the commander and gunner both received 2nd generation thermals in an upgrade program.

The design seems very compact and sleek, with right shields, it would make a great tank. I think a lot better and effective than other monsters. Upgrade armour, electronics and gun and it's an ideal futuristic tank.

So basically the ONE problem with this tank is The lack of armour, i think people immagine tanks as being indestructable but the truth is that armour is overrated

A lot of the problems mentioned will be fixed with the Ariete AMV but nothing was said about the ammo rack sadly.

The Italian Peninsula is shielded by the Alps in the North, and every attacker would have to repeat what the allies achieved in WW2 with the help of the Mafia back then (a less known fact, the Cosa Nostra and Camorra were helping and ensuring a safe landing)! So Italy may thought that they don't need tanks like the easy to attack (from a topographical standpoint) French or German territories! If they had to decide where to invest their budget, I would invest it in the Navy and Airforce, rather than Tanks, especially when there is not as much money to spend! But you are right about the weaknesses!

Of course it is a bad tank.A bob semple(a bob semple he shell can penetrate 10000000000000000000000000000000km of armour)can destroy the ariete without even hitting it.

When my father was in iraq, in the italian attack after Nassiriya, he saw militians shooting at the Arietes hundreds of anti-tank missiles and none of them penetrated the armor even if striked from behind. He also told me that he saw simply rpg-7 penetrating and disabling Abrams. He is italian but he doesn't say bs, so...

meanwhile in war thunder its one of the best tank

Everyone tank engineer after playing war thunder isn't it ?

4:05 did you just say 700 mm of Kinetic Protection?...now I'm scared with update 2.0!

great video as usual, keep em up.

The Centauro 8x8 tank destroyer / wheeled AFV is awesome tho'. This might be the best wheeled tank in the world.

Source: War Thunder Your argument isn't worth anything.

Consider Is a tank of 35 years .Now Will have some upgrades 🇮🇹

Any video reviewing an actual,machine that starts with an ad for a game featuring said machine has to be invalid.

how's that euro mbt thing going on though? it is said to be universal tank concept thingy

Hey Red Effect, i have an update for you regarding the Ariete, a new variant, Ariete C2 is scheduled to roll out in the close future. It's an upgraded variant with 3rd generation stabilized thermals for both commander and gunner, cameras for the driver and, get this, upgraded protection. What kind of upgraded protect you ask? Appliqué armor packages made in 2002, none of them are for the lower frontal plate btw, so that one is still completely exposed and can still be penned by 30mm autocannons. This is truly an italian moment.

Armour specifications of the ariete are classified, there is no way for us to know how much protection the frontal hull is capable of, war thunder has made up numbers which do not represent its real capabilities. Regarding the other issues the ariete is currently being updated to its C2 version using technology from the centauro 2 tank hunter. Regarding the armour it is believed to use similar hull armour to the leopard 2A1. Also the ariete AMV pt1 in war thunder isn’t actually supposed to be there as it is the first part of 3 of the ariete C2, it would be like putting a half finished prototype in game but they did so anyway, war thunder doesn’t know many things about the ariete and many other tanks, it’s not a reliable source for specific information.

Best nato tank because it’s never been destroyed 💪💪😎🇮🇹😎💪💪

Not a bad looking tank,kinda looks like a cross between a Abrams and a leopard

Hey man, I’m loving you’re videos and wondering. Can you make a video of the TR85M1 Romanian tank ?

I think Ukraine has shown that everything we thought we knew about tanks is pretty much pointless

IMO the Ariete is a good platform to build upon. It needs a major upgrade like the Challenger 1 to Challenger 2. But it would be a new tank at the same time. Italy however does not have the money to really put into this tank. If the Italians do this it would be a very formidable tank.

Italy is in a dire financial situation and their defense budget does not allow them to afford a C1 upgrade program. The italian military has mostly been a(n) (aero)naval power rather than a land power.

its a good platform it can take upgrade firing and optics and if you ad some armor packets and a APS like trophy you have a pretty decent tank

The Ariete becomes now an update and a big brother the leopard 2A8.

The bad armor on Ariete's hull is due to Italy's strategic position. Italy expected to be fighting in the alps in hull down positions with Ariete. The hull armor was sacrificed to save weight and increase the tank's power to weight ratio. After initial teething issues with the powerplant this was achieved. One redeming feature of Ariete is it's excellent gun depression which again was designed for Alpine combat. Even with all the negatives Ariete is still probably superior the upgraded T-55s used by Romania in the type of combat the Italians would be seeing. Plus the tank can easily benefit from NATO allies tank development should war break out. The L44 gun is capable of accepting any NATO 120mm ammunition except that of the British so in a hot war I wouldn't be surprised to see American, German, or French ammo being used if the Italian rounds don't quite cut it. The armor could probably be upgraded both quickly and cheaply with German AMAP armor before a European war actually saw Italian involvement at the front lines. Or they could just use German surplus Leo 2 stock as they have plenty of ex Bundeswehr, and ex Dutch ones in storage unless they've sold them all off to Denmark, Poland, the Czech Republic, the Romanians and the Greeks. Not to mention the US has plenty of ex Army and USMC M1A1s around if they need better tanks quick fast and in a hurry.

Budget Challenger 2

I've heard some good FCS are made in Italy like the one on a few upgraded Syrian T72s. Apparently it is more accurate than the FCS than the few T90s that they have in service and is nicknamed the T72 "Sniper". It seems that these upgrades weren't applied to the Ariete probably for budget reasons.

Currently it's the only nato tank with 0 losses to enemy fire technically

It has actually layered lasagna armor, and nobody hates lasagna

It's a good tank..apart from it's gun and armour protection .most if not all ATGM nowadays got tandem charge warhead and really can slice 1000mm RHA.thanks for the video.

Also the driver has a passive night vision sight, also It has advanced Fire control system made by Leonardo, laser warning reciever and Trophy Active protection system, i would recommend more data finding before putting out videos like that

Very awesome video!! Can you make a video about the Romanian MBT TR85-M1 Bizon? I would like to know more about this tank, Romania being my home country.

This video is totally misinformation. C1 Ariete is classified. You can't do a video about a tank using a bullshit game like war thunder as source. Even the official site contraddict your video specifying that the tank has composite both on hull and turret.

Just bolt on some modern ERA armor and it will be fine.

Is it really that bad, or are you going by Warthunder numbers again? The LFP is seriously just a 50mm plate? No COmposites behind that? Why is it so big then? The more I watch these comparison videos, the more I see the Abrams actually being even better. It has a similar design to the Ariete in the hull, but the Abrams LFP is nothing but Composites. It might only be 650, but that is far superior to other tanks, like this Ariete. As for the thin UFP, well, show me a tank that has a configuration similar to an Abrams and show me how thick its UFP is.

F Ariette upgrade plan Also F the fact Italy is getting Leopard 2... instead of making more of their own tank (evne if its bad, its better to have your own thing and improve on it)

It looks a lot like the Leopard 2000, the German transitional design between Leo 1 and 2. Not surprising since Italy built the OF-40, a near clone of the Leo 1. During the Cold War Italy only had to worry about fighting in the Alps. So a tank that can climb well, has good gun depression and elevation, neutral steer and good reverse speed are good enough. Hull armor is not important to fighting hull down.

Reminds me of a challenger turret on a Leo 2 Hull.

They should add box and slat armour protection..

It's a Tank produced in 1990 and never got upgraded till this year. The AMV upgrad project will modernize to a more combat ready level. And it has thermals for both Gunner and Commander.

One of my favourite looking modern (-ish) MBTs if it comes to looks.

It looks really good idc what y'all say

Nice job bro, can you comments on P1 tank from polish & especially P1M pendekar from Malaysia. Tq sir for your work👍👍

The thing is that in Italy we do need Tanks. Italy is a Peninsula full of difficult terrains, valleys and mountains. Tanks crossing the Alps? unlikely. In fact we have developed fast and mobile wheeled-machines like the Centauro II, which is incredibly good.

Still better than Arjun, I guess...?

Remember no armor = best armor

Do a follow up regarding the C2 upgrade

Are you sure that the frontal turret armor wasn’t upgraded since it’s release? I’ve heard that they did but I might be wrong 🤷🏻‍♂️

TR-58M1 in a corner crying, knowing it's worse. But please make a video on it.

0:02 if the tank can drift, then i'll visualize GuP in my head

The lower plate being 50mm is bullshit imo. The armour on this tank is classified so we don't really know how much it is apart from the fact that it has composite armour. It probably has something comparable to the leopard 2a4

Your armour values are suspiciously similar to that of WarThunder, which has notoriously sold the ariete short, the armour values of the Ariette are classified, and i find it hard to believe that the Italians wouldn't use composite armour on their fromt plate. You also forgot that the ariete has spall liners and advanced active protection systems. Your scources allso all seem to be based on, or a re straight up russian, a country notorious for selling nato weapons short

Outdated information, go watch matimius’s video instead.

Italy has a mountainous spine that connects with the Alps in the north. In WW2, this terrain made it difficult for the Allies but easier for the Germans to defend. Infantry would be critical in this environment, and armour would have to be light enough with infantry support as its main role. Perhaps these factors were part of the design considerations for this tank. I could be wrong, but why not?

If someone said the most important thing in a tank is its gun and its mobility what would you reply

Thank you for not being sponsored by raid shadow legends

Oh those *Italians*

Worst Nato tank???? ever heard of the TR-85????

Why’s the advertisement only showing top tier tanks which will take years to finally hit rank 6 of your new or months to reach top tier

any one that's worked there way up the challenger line in Armored Warfare knows how much of a pain this tank is. never got to complete the grind because the new global server fucked up my ping 600+ ms.

It's a 1995 tank that's *at best* comparable to the 1983 Leo 2A1, it can't be very good.

Leopard that has "safe ammo storage in the turret" also carries large part of it in the hull, so it doesn't really improve safety much

U cant say thath. C1 is one of the best tank in nato.

I think tanks should be evaluated globally. The Ariete is an excellent option when you look at maintenance, operativity, mobility and as "integrated" weapon. Not to mention that at the "Task Challenge" on real terrain the italians tanks classified at the fourth rank, just before the USA tanks... ; )

That's worse on the lower glacis than the older British chieftan tanks!

Not to be the an asshole but I have to say, if you have taken your data from war thunder I must say that is an idiotic idea because even gaijin staff said that modern tanks datas are really hard to get due to some of that datas to be classified, here our dear friend Ariete is a perfect example because even if the project have been realised in the late 80s the tank is still in service in our army whitout being modified heavily. You said in your video that the Ariete hull is poorly protected and you used war thunder datas to prove your point, now knowing that even gaijin admitted to have difficulty to provide info about the first model of the Abrams (entered in service in 1981) how can you think that datas from a game about a tank still used in 2019 whit classified armor datas can be trustable. Then we have another example, we don't know any major modification of the said tank apart from the PSO modification that have a side armour in game named as composite but lack of specification and can only show a "calculated" protection due to the said material being (surprise) classified. So please before saying certain things that some people take for thrut try to search some info possibly not from a game and more importantly from a game that count balance before realism, thank you . Source of gaijin acquiring data about modern tanks sitem : forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/402669-modern-tank-realism-and-balance/&ct=1575562851

you must also consider that the Italian army focuses more on light fast vehicles (very similarly to japan as they both have many mountains) this doesn't excuse the arietes shittiness but it makes more sense when you consider they would focus on things such as the up and coming Centauro 2 and it's variants that will probably replace things like the freccia.

Fun fact: this tank has a similar engine to the one of Challenger 2, but it weights 20 tons less.