Problems with T-80BVM. The Worst Modern Russian tank? 

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why do you think he made a video about it?

it was his sponsor

Lol right?

Wow it is almost as if he is being paid by Gaijin to sponsor their game !

It has worse base armour, and far worse turret armour. It has better speed. And better era. That is it.

@@stilpa1 Wrong. T 80BVM is based on t 80U hull and late production T 80BV turret, which is almost identical to T 80U

T-72B armor is far better then in T-72A (aka T-72M1) and T-80 turret / other armor is same as on T-72A. Thus T-72B is better armored then T-80. Thus upgrades to T-72B make more sense.

@@tomk3732 not even close T-80B uses an improved version of Composite K where as T-72A uses "Dolly Parton" composite K is better than Dolly Parton but a tad bit worse than "Super Dolly Parton" used on T-72B regardless you are talking about a difference in protection of about 50mm maximum which largely insignificant. That plus T-80BVM uses relikt where as B3 uses K-5.

@@nemisous83 Video shows exactly same quartz as in T-72A and exactly same texolite as in T-72A. T-72A was designed before ERA was standard. Thus the emphasis of it was against both Kinetic and HEAT. T-72B mod 85 and later mod 89 had ERA as standard, first one Kontakt-1 and later one Kontakt-5. Thus their armor outside of ERA was strictly against kinetic and there was no textolite or no kwartz present. Are you saying video is wrong and T-80 this mod is based on had different armor?

@The Chief Musician of the Gods a brief history of Cuba? are you a bot

My thoughts entirely..

Bullshit Arjun just screams second place, bob semple is where its at

No Arjun Tank Can Destroy A Black Hole Dont Underestimate It🤪

@@Xcelcior6780 the Bob semple tank could destroy this universe and travel onto the next

Yeah they sponsor him. Pretty neat that we get to learn about the irl tank then play it in a game. ...well after you've played for 60 hours to grind the 1 tank out...

@@sampanyofella5832 grinded it in 4 hours lol. Provided, i received 250k rp from module bonuses

@@killthemall55 oh that makes sense. I should stop spading things in that case :P

@@sampanyofella5832 I wish I could do it in just 60 hours.

Goodbye 3BM42M... Hello 3BM46

Haha!

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Right!

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Is arjun the new meme? lmao

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Arjun is, supeeehr!

It is over power , so sadly they won't add it 😔😔😔😔

@@HOVX.612 arjun is the one tank that can fill all the task, you can drop it in Ocean to kill submarines, it can shoot down satellites flying in space, it can even stop ICBMs, and ofcourse destroy all tanks in the world

@@FactsInto 😂😂 when it aim on the target , it get destroyed

Is Russia expecting the next Napoleon/Hitler to show up at Moscow's doorstep in the middle of winter?

@@srelma they have T 14s and T 90s for that

@@neki203 and the T72 B3

@@srelma nope. They guard the extreme cold parts of their country. (Not Moscow or Western parts)

@@srelma T-80s are used to defend their assets in the arctic because of their ability to operate in extreme cold. That is pretty much the only thing they are used for.

Agreed

Is anyone else using that design

@@james-im1sj Only the ones using the same reload system.

@@james-im1sj Leopards also has this option.

Is that a bad joke?

Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦

Ukrainian farmers: hippity hopity this tank is now my property.

Before the invasion and on the training, crews have been selling their diesel. That really was happening..

@@TonyBustaroni cope,

@@TonyBustaroni How did conquering Kiev go for you guys?

Sadly the producer,(Omsktransmash,I think) went bankrupt(due to the decision to fund other company and Russia had bad time after the fall of USSR), otherwise Russia may come up with better tanks,since they did have some interesting projects.

@@yosawin3018 yes they were bought by the company that produces T-72 and T-90 so the company still exists. Believe Red said in previous video that they made T-80BVM to milk money out of the modernizing the tanks instead of creating something truly effective.

@@yosawin3018 yeah if Uralvagonzavod had the budget like General Dynamics they definitely gonna make some futuristic tanks

What about the T-80 U-M1 ? Would be a good addition too, I guess...

@@yosawin3018 UVZ had some good designs too, look at the object 187 for example, mutch better than the T-90. but the T-90 (object 188) got built instead due to late/post-ussr budgets

Why dont they just get rid of the T-80s and make more T-90M

@@dankerxd4108 This is the real question. My only thought is perhaps they are keeping gas turbine around for artic opps where it may have an advantage vs tradition diesel but I can confirm none of it. Could be a political reason as well.

@@johngezon1220 iirc they are indeed meant to be used in arctic regions where diesel engines do not perform so well. Then it kinda makes sense to have turbine powered tanks to guard these territories

@@johngezon1220 t 80 is probably the best tank for the cold, if any foreign power tries to invade from the east which would be suicide and its not likely that anyone would go to siberia

@Prince Harambe one man sead you destroy russia, you destroy the world, preaty sure its been made clear the russia can not be tamed but keep dreaming

Just goes to show how obsolete tanks are on the modern battlefield. A infantry fired missile launcher can completely obliterate a 2 million dollar machine.

@@tanner1111 True , Javelins and atgm Hellfire equipped Drones made tanks pretty much obsolete

@@guyintenn yeah but they are still useful to cowards that like sending them in against civilians

@@guyintenn not true if you pay attention Russia is sending its tank columns with no infantry support snd no sir support either, obviously your tanks will die in mass if you don’t cover there weaknesses.

@@tanner1111 Its not just about the quality of the tanks. Its also the quality of the tactics Russia is using, or rather the lack of tactics. Common sense and lessons learned from a hundred years ago suggests that tanks shouldn't be moving on their own towards a known fortified position. They should at least have infantry on their flanks or ahead of the tanks. Maybe have air support to keep their enemies heads down. But that's not what they're doing. They're Zerg rushing the Ukrainians with tanks with no close air support which gets them ambushed and annihilated. What's worse? They invaded in spring, which transformed the countryside into mud. Giving the Ukrainians an easy time setting up ambushes. If Ukraine have a more powerful air force they would destroy the Russian army in a matter of weeks and liberate Belarus in a month(because why not?).

Put an abrams or challenger 2 or even a leopard 2 a7+ against russian kornet and you would get the same result

@@adrianotaylor7230 Maybe they will survive because NATO invest more in APS kits for their tanks while the russians just put a Wannabe Cage on top of their rusty soviet era tanks my dear Russian Bot :D

@@misterputin8898 sorry kiddo; a kornet flying a bit above the tracks would like to say hello to the tank crew OH also you can just switch aim up to the turret upon that missile getting close enough (and trained operators do that)

Well multiple RPGs used to wreck western tanks as well and they're much cheaper to produce and carry

@@misterputin8898 you mean the aps that yall buy from israel russian tanks had aps since the 90s t90 shorta system

It's proud Russian cardboard! How dare you imply it is not the best possible type of reactive armor.

I’ve heard that it’s the fiberglass spacers that hold the explosives in place. So yea, probably embezzled unless the theory about the explosives being taken out for training purposes and then the invasion order coming in turns out to be true.

@@Factao this. Russian bots have a response for every misserable fail of their army and dictator, it's all plan of a masterplan..the big masterplan to flaunt your nukes since otherwise your army is hot garbage.

@@Shaun_Jones there are reports that they have cardboard filled in bullet proof vests and some old Soviet steel helmets have covers to make them look like modern tactical ones. The worst are their medical supplies. I've seen videos of their med kits and the bandages have been from 1970s

@@Shaun_Jones Yeah, explosives age out, and even if a tank is hit, most of the ERA charges would not be triggered. So it probably makes sense for the innards to be replaceable. That said, the Russians clearly didn't replace them.

isn't it than t80uvm?

@@srbijairossiya3043 more like T-80UM3

Already announced, not only that, it's getting the Burlak turret, with the ammo carasoul being moved into the rear turret, laser warning and hard/soft kill systems, advanced infared and thermal optics etc.

True, so annoying

He already got sponsored by War Thunder a thousand times, just use your brain bruv.

@@Eire_Aontaithe wosh

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@@justapanzercrewmanwithwifi1070 actually i shower every day, also between my asscheeks 👀

@@KleinerGrenadier that's good to know, mate. Amazing intel.

Putin doesnt like your comment 🤣

M1A2 barn

@@mrMen-mo2kg Leopard combine

@@hasnicktir5310 )))

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Bad Russian design habit of having ammo stored amongst the crew area.

Or panzerfaust3’s 😃

Russia captured over 2000 javelin and nlaws btw also destroyed 1300 tanks

@@Bababoy6969 Ukraine doesn’t even have that many tanks but nice try Ivan

Haha nice reference

Thats a real tracker pull contest....hahaha

What about Chechen Kadyrovites driving T-84s?

@@georgebonanza9487 doesn’t happen

@@cossack7679 because T-84s have been destroyed

That would require Russia to be able to both produce T-14 and bring them to the front line xD

Same stratedgy as always, enter tank, drive into enemy terretory, refuse to leave tank, gets taken out by a dude running around with sandals and a wool shirt. Rince and repeat untill the devision is gone, then declare victory because eho would even check?

@@CrowColdblade the T-80BVM is still probably possessed by ghosts of tank crews who were roasted by Chechen ATGMs for this reason.

@@CrowColdblade that aged well

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all these pseudo expert channels leave out the most relevant pieces of information.

@@myopicthunder yes and i have probably left some as well. We are not experts. I don't intend to sound like one. I just hate when i see a video lambasting a experts decision....

@EndGameYTcaptain there plenty of examples of stupid designs that gone into production just because everyone was afraid to speak out. Tu22 for example

Are they going to use it against polar bears? Because no sane military would open a front in Arctic regions. Oh yes Mr. Brown you must be a genius! Lets deploy our paratroopers Novaya Zemlya hundreds of miles away from well anything and have them survive on snow. Those Russians won't know what hit them. Literally.

To be fair all canadian soldiers have extreme cold weather training. Not to mention in the arctic canada relies mostly on light infantry for the reasons you mentioned. Im not sure what sure what portion of the us army has ecw training but I bet its nowhere near 100%

Hahaha giant frying pans

Javelin has entered the chat

NATO's thugs in Ukraine you mean.

Urkaine will fail

@@remydaitch9815 Shouldn't you be spending your monthly salary on a loaf of bread?

@@asdsdjfasdjxajiosdqw8791 I love your reply haha

@@asdsdjfasdjxajiosdqw8791 Urkaine will fail

There not destructible you id iot It took 2 javelin to take them down That’s how good they are

@@mbtenjoyer9487 Wait fr? Where did you get the info it took them 2?

@@RushZ3r a t-72b3 2016 with roof cage armour Was shown taking 1 hit n surviving And got destroyed by the second hit

To be fair, there were Shia militias knocking out M1A1 tanks with multiple RPGs

@@mbtenjoyer9487 lmfao yeah dude “id iot”

And the NLAW, although they seem to get on quite well with Ukrainian tractors.

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"The T-80BVM's hull isnt that of the T-80B/BV, its actually the hull of the T-80U." what's your source lmao

It's not. It's T-80BV. 1)Russia has much more T-80B and T-80BV then T-80U; 2)you can't just replace the type of armor package T-80 uses without cutting down the whole tank to pieces. So T-80BV will continue to have armor package of T-80BV. The infamous "boob window" of T-64/72/80/90 is NOT just driver port. It's a significant portion of armor right in front of it since the cutoff is made vertically, meaning that while cutoff in external steel plate is rather small, there are significant areas where several layers or even the whole of "composite pie" are missing. Combined, it seems like you're either spouting nonsense that can be proven wrong with basic common sense and knowledge about these tanks OR(more likely) deliberately trying to spread misinformation. Feel free to provide your sources OR tell me where my logic wasn't spot on:P

There would be no sense of removing T-80B turrets and putting them on T-80U hulls since the later has much better base turret armor than the B. The T-80BVMs are just T-80BV being given a deep modernisation because they have a significant number in storage.

Man why does this blatant lie have so many upvotes...

Javelin? NLAW? biatch cant even win against mud lmao.

Бурлак давно отменили, это неудачный проект

@CH Russia should seek help from India to implement Arjun technology in its future tanks.

@@CH3TN1K313 а есть пруфы поубедительнее просочившихся фоток? Потому как помимо них по бурлаковским башням никакого апдэйта не было.

Burlak is a dead project. The manufacturer Omsk is basically dead at this point with most of its military arm and design expertise folded into UralVagonZavod, if not sold off entirely. Nowadays it makes washing machines. I think it extremely unlikely that UVZ will be using anything from Omsk which had a history of unrealistic project costing and engineering specifications. All it would take is UVZ taking one hard look at the blueprints to most likely find many problems.

@@MonMalthias UVZ is exactly who is continuing the project. Look at the pics that leaked a few months ago compared to the one's leaked in the 2010's. The design of the turret has been altered, featuring a cover over the protruding ERA blocks which is clearly shown in the pics, what looks like a RWS under the tarp, as well as ERA mounted to the sides of the turret which looks like the Relikt blocks on the side of T-90M Proryv & newer T-80BVM turrets. These differences all seem to be made in the last few years, considering the time frame when they were introduced on the T-90M & T-80BVM, which dispels the idea that this new pic of the Burlak is "the old, abandoned project".

A javelin would destroy an Abrams quite easily.Not sure if a NLAW would.probably.But honestly tanks are like battleships anymore in my opinion.Expensive and outdated.

Okraine still lost more.

yeah because they're upgrading from the T-64 lmao "very pleased with them" what a weirdo

Yes because it’s either the 72 or 64 that Ukraine mostly has. Compare to their supposed “adversaries” the Abrams outcompetes it

@@enriqueperezarce5485 the original T-72 has long since been upgraded. i hope you're not comparing an original T-72 to an original Abrams.

well its definitely better than the T64BV, and Bulats and Oplots exist in far too small numbers to make a big impact. Ironically the same is true of the T80BVM and T90M

@@olegbobrovskiy3244 T-80 BVMs appear (and get captured) in significant quantities. T-90M is true tho.

T-80BVM against M72, Javelins and NLAW's* :)

@@ullldotten Russians answer to Javelin top down attack missiles is the T-14 Armata but because of limited budget, they did not complete the active defenses and put only small numbers into service. The originally planned T-14 is to have sensors to detect incoming projectiles from above and to fire upwards explosive pellets shotgun style. Also due to limited resources, old tanks being deployed to Ukraine for additional fire support. T-80BVM is just the old T-80BV refitted with newer ERA and added extra side protection, not total remake like the T-90 from T-72.

@@jayjay53313 I'm aware. "Shame" it wont be any budget for T-14s for many, many years to come. My comment were not be taken too serious, was just pointing out how these performs against mostly javelins and NLAWs. No need to pull out our leopards' if the Russians (or more spesific their leader) descides to de-nazify Norway:)

@@ullldotten It is high time for the de-Nazification of Norway. Too many Quislings!

@@jayjay53313 The T-14 would be at least as vulnerable to immediately brewing up as the T-72 and T-80 that have tossed their turrets. A brew-up of the autoloader that rapid isn't going to spare the crew. The Afganit active protection system is a paper shield. It's a list of specs. It doesn't exist. They haven't developed the simpler version intended for the T-90MS. I expect that the T-14 now has zero chance of being built. It's already seven years past the introduction of the prototypes. Instead it will be back to the drawing board to figure out how build a vehicle with better survivability when hit from above.

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No. Even Leo 2A7 cannot pen the upper front plate at 1 kilometer. Only the driver port, lower glacis and breach.

@@bananabatsy3708 Arjun can penetrate from any distance.

Arjun can't even hit shit. Arjun can't do anything.

@@bananabatsy3708 it’s a joke...

i want l2 a7.

Make----> Abrooms SEPV2, Leo2A7, T-90M, Chally TES, Type 10, Ztz 99A and Leclerc (revisited)

@@radonsider9692 isn’t the challenger 2 2f a challenger 2 tes with a different name?

@@radonsider9692 M1A2 Abrams is strong enough, Leo 2A6 is still overpowered, T-80BVM still is inferior against both mentioned tanks, the only tank to be really added from the list is T-90M. Type 10 and Ztz 99 can be debated.

@@schnitzel0330 and Leclerc XXI or the Scorpion variant

Zwastika

Most of them also have weird burn marks and holes in them, not sure why they are doing that but Ukraine says it makes them much better

@@Nick-fw5uj the burn marks are from them sanitising them from covid so they can enter the country

@@Tremumbus Ah that might be it, maybe the holes are for extra ventilation due to covid aswell.

This comment will look very stupid in about 2 weeks

@@joeking5679 why?

@@mrwong8584 He's a Russian shill, pay him no mind.

@@TheStephaneAdam so true..lol

@@joeking5679 And I'm sure you were saying exactly the same thing two weeks ago.

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Well the best solution is to not get in a situation where someone shoots at your tank.

Not if they have side era, also side turret armour is usually decent

NLAW and Javelin defeat active protection systems.

the M8 is quite a nice light tank, especially with the extra thicc ERA add-on armor modules giving it quite nice protection against RPG's and with the 120 mm gun giving it the same firepower capabilities of a heavy MBT, all combined in a relatively light vehicle to be air transported. It only lacks an independent thermal sight for the commander (CITV), but at least he can still use the gunner's thermal sight (better than nothing). Unfortuantely it also does not have a bunker with "blow-out blast panels" as the rounds are all stored inside the crew compartment (probably in some fire-proof canisters, but it still pose a danger). But I guess that's the downside for most light tanks.

@@militaryanalysis5028 those are composite blocks and not ERA. I heard that there were plans to also have ERA armor but I am not a 100 percent sure. The 120mm smoothbore was only mounted on a single prototype if I remember correctly. Also the autoloader is completely separated from the crew, so there’s a blowout pannel. You’re right for the hu storage though, that doesn’t look very safe, but most of the shells are at the turret which is also the most likely part to be hit in a tank. I don’t think it needs CITV because 1, it’s meant to bring tank firepower to infantry/airborn troopers and so wouldn’t work independently. With the modernization of the buford m8 that is currently ongoing as the US asked BAE to produce around 20 more prototypes, they might include it. Overall it’s an amazing idea and I don’t get how the US could budget cut that and spend this long without something to replace the sheridan

@@maplearrow1842 well tbh I'm not sure about the actual add-on armor design, all I know is that there are 3 levels of protection and the level 3 can apparently stop RPG's at least. Whether it's ERA or composite armor, it's still doing same result 😂. The crew is still inside the turret tho, even with autolaoder... so I hope the ammunitoion is at least is some fire-proof canisters, otherwise it would be really nasty. But what it really needs is APS that would really help a lot! Who knows maybe it will receive APS in the future (if it gets accepted into the army), everything's possible.

@@militaryanalysis5028 due to it’s light armor it wouldn’t be dumb to develop a cheaper APS for it. Also I don’t understand what’s the issue with the turret, on one side you have the crew and on the other you have the autoloader. There’s quite a thick blast wall to separate both, and most of the roof above the autloader is made of blowout pannels, so in case of cookout it would never build enough pressure to do serious damage. The only downside with it is that if the turret gets shot sideways and it punctures the wall while there’s a burnout...

@@militaryanalysis5028 by the way I found out that the two weird rectangles with lines on them on the xm8’s hull are actually the blowout pannels for the hull ammo. I never understood why that was there, but now I know that they didn’t just leave the hull ammo as a risk

The T72 was initially introduced as a temporary solution due to the issues encountered with the T64 and its slow production rate. As a result, the T72 was designed with a conservative approach. On the other hand, the T80 was not originally intended for research and development purposes only. The Soviet military had always been working on conceptual tanks, and once the T80 received its designation, it was chosen as the mainstay of the Soviet tank force. However, the T80 proved to be costly, gas-guzzling, and high maintenance. As a result, the T72 was retained as an alternative option. This is why there were three primary designs in the Soviet tank force. The T90 is essentially a renamed T72, and after the collapse of the Soviet Union, the production plant and thousands of T72 tanks remained in Russia, which is why they continue to be used to this day.

I mean, maybe it’s difficult to keep up with Russian tanks by number of the sheer staggering variable designations from minor upgrade packages. But even if you look at the t-14 armata, the cutting edge russian tank has equipment they call cutting edge that was introduced onto nato tanks in the late 1980s. The thermal sights are literally the same model of sight the French Leclerc removed and upgraded from in 2006. Modern western civilian drones have better IR sights. And a test conducted with the Chinese concluded that all of its supposed hard kill and soft kill systems didn’t exist and were fabricated by the state to hype the tank to be more then it was. So in terms of keeping up with battlefield technology, Russian tanks can barely match what the west had in the early 90s. Nevermind current vehicles.

@@nathanielweber7843 I have to object here, this is no Serbia! While Russian tank designations and projects are out of bounds, even back in the Serbian war T-72s had night vision and thermals. I don't know what angle you are coming from, but Russian Armour has been significantly upgraded. The French were never good at anything, but keep gender neutral and carbon free Germany supplied by nuclear power plants, let's be honest. Abrams and the likes in excess of 50 tons, just can't function in mud and their operational costs are insane. Passive and active systems have been developed since the '80s. it's drones and hand held ATs now... "so I put a "curtain" so this 100,000 USD rocket scratches the paint" You're failing to understand that such warfare have never been fought before. All the issues we talk about here, have been considered. It's an economic and propaganda war..... T-72s with "grand momas curtains" are doing just fine, against Gustavs and top-down blowing AT rockets.....however in an environment like this most "western" tanks just bog down and when you take their sensors out, it's a sitting duck. Russian MBTs are usually less than 55 tons and can sprint @ 53 mph, it's not money, it's a doctrine!

​@@nathanielweber7843well, consiidering the USSR's fall caused a lot of brain drain, the feds are very corrupt and their economy has mostly been dogwater they're doibg pretty well.

In tank on tank combat russian tanks are kicking ass the only time ukraine destroys russian tanks are im ambushes

@@adrianotaylor7230 Hmmmm that changes something? Russian tanks are obsolete bullshit and food for the ATGM's

The Russian's are still winning. Every Russian tank destroyed 5 okraine tanks.

@@misterputin8898 so just like every other tank you primitive clown kiddo? 🤡

Not only that, it should also get its side skirts.

everything is simpler, just the Ministry of Defense does not have the money to purchase a more expensive and better stopping effect relic, contact 5 is an obsolete defense. which was relevant to the year in 1995 , the relic is now also almost obsolete, it was replaced by the protection of malachite developed on that Armata. but apparently it is even more expensive, for the purchase and mass production of armat, the military department now has no money. all funds are spent on equipping the army with expensive hypersonic missiles

Facts

A week ago I watched a video of ukrainian farmers taking control of this tank, it was hilarious 👌🏻

You know that an entire battalion of Ukraines best military in the south are literally nazis right?

@@goldman6506 Why does every single 55 Savushkina street troll bleat "but azov, but azov, but azov" Sure there's a single small unit of right wing fighters defending their homes. Funnily enough they're from the East of Ukraine and they're descended from the ruSSkie colonizers that replaced the Ukrainians genocided during the Holodomor. It doesn't change the fact that putler sounds deranged trying to pretend that the elected, centre left, Jewish lead government of Ukraine is somehow fascist, when 3rd world ruSSia is actually a fascist nation.

@@mattmark94 It's amazing, I've seen so many videos of invading fascist tanks, AA vehicles, BMPs, BDMs etc being towed away. 3rd world ruSSia is now officially the single biggest supplier of Ukrainian military vehicles.

It would be interesting indeed, maybe only the amount of info available would be a slight problem

Bulrak ? Where did you find that ?

@@MrMurder333666 Russia planned to change turrets on their tanks with Burlak turret in 2000s, Burlak can fit longer penetrators, has better armor and blast doors, but was abandoned. Then month or two ago they started testing it again, there are few leaked pics of it.

Bulrak is a revived project from the 2000s ,Red talk about it b4

Burlak you mean?

You talking about your mom?

@@NKVD_Enjoyer sick burn.

it was planned to come with this update but wasn't finished in time

They stopped existing 5 months ago

Lol

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you mean those angled panels? Well, even if they were a real steel slabs and not ERA panels like they are, they would not deflect the projectile into the base of the turret. Modern APFSDS projectiles dont bounce. If they dont penetrate, they shatter to pieces.

@@pavelslama5543 interesting. I must admit my knowledge about this is rather WWII. But are all projectiles it will encounter be modern enough ?

the ''Relikt'' ERA

Source?

@@Brother_Nihilus I have a Russian post, but you will have to use Google translate

Smoke generator, meant to cover assets traveling behind it.

its the snorkeling tube

Such a nice tank game I hope no one will leak classified documents to win some arguments about tanks stat

I'm not that much into tanks, I believe the Abrams has a turbine engine

@@okay2439 Correct. You should also look up the Arjun tank, as per this comment section.

@@Trump-a-Tron ARJUN????

Don't forget about the T90s and T90A getting getting hammered out there too. Lol. When T72 or any sort of Russian tank gets destroyed in the middle east the Ivans be like..."Those are cheap export versions!!!!! Cheap knock off version! That's because it wasn't Russian! Tank in urban combat without infantry support is stupid". I'm 100% sure you seen all the excuses made by Ivan. These days Russian T72, the upgraded variants, T80U and T90A are getting knock out in Ukraine even when they have infantry as support. Now these Ivans are like..."That's because Putin is only sending in the older equipment and conscripted as cannon fodders to weaken Ukraine's defense! He doesn't care about casualties or equipment losses. He's saving the best for last!" 5mins later..."Those deaths are all fake! Propaganda!" Yeah...you see the endless excuses.

I wouldn't say so. Tanks still fill a vital role on the battlefield. Unless people feel like making major land invasions with infantry and trucks/IFVs. Incompetence=/=obsolescence

Jesus Christ.. the current war just shows how tanks are total absolute.

@@SCH292 TAnks still have place on battlefield..dont go in 2 much MSM propaganda ..Russia lost a lot in first few days but also make good progress against very good Ukraine army ..its now encircled most off Ukrainian big cities and that would not be able with out tanks because Ukraine has much more soldiers then Russia in Ukraine ..yes you lost off armor but still casualties much lower then if you would went with out it

You act like a Abrams would not die from a Javaline🤡