Procedure Turns Explained | Barbs and Hold-In-Lieu of 

My IFR instructor taught me to just always turn the opposite direction of the flag. So I'd have more time to make a stable approach

I will watch all videos in this channel, absolutely perfect. Thank you.

Best explanation and yes clarification needed with ATC as they typically don’t expect you to fly procedure turn in some cases, but will generally tell you in their approach clearance.

Thanks again! Very informative and easy to understand.

Wow. Thank you so much for this. I had my first airport oriented VOR and didn’t leave enough room for a descent after the PT entry. I was left with 2,500 feet in 5 miles. Luckily it was practice, but this was beautifully illustrated here thank you!

From a 25,000 hour ATP/CFII : GREAT EXPLANATION AND SUMMATION!!

Really good stuff man, keep the good work and thank you 🙏

Thanks for these videos…they are AWESOME!!!!

This is a clear and comprehensive explanation of the procedure turn. The visuals are really helpful in making the concepts easy to understand. Thank you for the good work!

Again excellent. The "Remain within 10 NM" is indeed the maximum distance for the procedure turn, based upon (from) the navaid for the approach, the final approach fix, or any other designated fix. You are also correct about the mandatory procedure turn; just confirm with ATC that you cleared for a Straight In approach.

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Thk very much, I'm actually in IFR and this vids help a lot. Keep up

Really great tutorial. Many thanks.

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Great Video. Thanks

Super helpfull!! Thanks for making this so easy to follow along and understand. And thank you for making this content available for aviators. Subscribed!!!!

Super helpful, thank you!

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I really enjoy your videos. Two questions: How do you know if you should do your procedure turn to the left or right? and how do you know how far to fly away from the VOR after you cross it in the first example before making the turn?

Sometimes I wish there was a like button that was more than just a like because I thought this is one of the most helpful videos I’ve had on VOR approaches as well as what the VOR will be doing during the approach and when To switch the radials

Great, to the point videos. I always misunderstood SUSP for some reason. It just clicked when you mentioned wanting to suspended the REST of the approach while in the PT, and now it makes more sense. I presume same applies to suspending during a go around where you want to remain in the MA hold. 👍👏

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80/260 for the win, Baby! No worrying about exact headings, no timing, no muss, no fuss... Simply turn 80° followed by an immediate opposite direction turn for 260° and *BOOM* on course and tracking... 4:25 Hahaha... Should have waited another 45 seconds to type all that...

How do you know when to START the procedure turn? For example the barb on the first plate is not identified by a cross radial or a GPS waypoint. Edit: I finished watching and my question was answered.

Aren’t you suppose to always turn the opposite way. For example we did a turn first. The next turn should be to the right to intercept the inbound course. At least i was taught like that. Besides that good video!

Would also be nice to include information about straight-in clearance, that’s something people usually miss.

I was taught that you never turn in the direction of the barb of a course reversal. In this video you fly 2 minutes outbound on the 155 radial, the turn right hdg 200 for 1 minute. Then you turn right to 020 (into the barb) to intercept the 335 degree radial. Would you not "avoid the barb" and turn left to 020 to intercept the 355 radial?

In the first and third example it seems to me like the hold fix ok the missed approach procedure would be a good solution to reverse the course while staying protected. granted the turn would be closer to the runway but if it's good enough for a missed approach...

Your animated example shows 2 right turns for the course reversal. This IS NOT how the AIM depicts it in Fig 5-4-18. Remaining within the depicted distance (10 NM in your example) the 45-180 maneuver you show should be made by first turning right then LEFT back around to the final approach course.

Out of curiosity, what software do you use to make these animations and correlate the diagrams to the OBS? I'd like to see the technical side of your videos! :)

👍 Liked it.

pilot discretion the direction of the turn?

wait when executing the procedure turn, I thought you turn away from semi triangle hence making a left turn instead of a right turn.

So you are *required* to fly the full procedure unless on a STAR or cleared for a straight in. In a comm failure, would you fly the full procedure "as required" at a busy airport, unless it was actually required? Here's the scenario I'm curious to see a video about @FlightInsight 🙂. Say you are having a communication failure in IMC to a busy airport without a STAR, but where the PT or HILO is depicted and no statement "procedure turn not authorized?" (Of course, you'd try your cell phone and handheld backup radio to re-establish comms first...) Assuming you have RVAN/GPS, you can get yourself down from enroute using the TAA or feeder route altitudes. From there, I'd plan for a straight-in via the IF if coming in towards the landing runway. What about the scenario where you have to overfly/pass the airport? If you can fly one of the 90 degree base legs to the IF, great, then turn onto final and you are golden. This leaves doing an actual PT/HILO for the scenario where you need the course reversal or hold to lose altitude (e.g. in the mountains) but don't have those 90 degree base legs, or you don't have RNAV. Thoughts?

Can you descend in the feyko hold if you’re at a higher altitude?

Last video you said no PT means no procedure turn and now you explained procedure turn at the first example where it says no PT for arrival on LDN Vortech Airways radio 135 some kinda confusing to me if you can explain it I will appreciate it

When do you start timing the leg duration or note the leg distance? The HILPT at FEYKO states 4 NM but when do we track the 4nm? Or the 1 minute in other procedures. Thanks for the content! Instrument student here who’s CFII is leaving for the airlines and I’m taking a few months off.

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Question: If you were being vectored, the controller would try to vector you within 30 degrees of the final approach course. In your example, you were approaching from the north, 170 degrees from the final approach course -- in which case a procedure turn is necessary. At the end of your video, you mention that thanks to GPS predictive turns, you may not be expected to do the procedure turn by ATC (and therefore, ask). My question is, how do you know if you should do the procedure turn or not? Is there an angle of intercept? I had hoped you showed other approach angles to the final approach course where it is not so clear. Does this makes sense?

men auh got a question 2:23 while the aircraft is taking its first turn hdg200 is not a left turn? or can I decide it depending on how far out i wanna intercept the radial?

On the 45/180 you did 2 turnw in the direction of the barb, but on the 80/260 you did a right turn then left even though the barb is to the right. Are you allowed to turn either way or must you make your turns in the direction of the barb?

I let the G1000 fly the course reversal, and it strayed outside the 10NM DME of the VOR located on the airport.

What is a procedure track?

What if you are inbound to the Iaf on a course that would use a direct entry to the hold in lieu of pt? Would you just fly straight in even if atc has not cleared you straight in or would you fly the hold? Assuming “no pt” is not listed.

At 1:43, with the OBS/CDI set to 155 would that not put the CDI on the VLOC to the left of the a/c after the right turn to 200?

Why does it say no procedure turn for arrival on the 135?

What is actually the reason for designing a range, which is 10NM, for the pilot to stay within during the procedure turn?

Are there any good tutorials to use that show the ins and outs of the Garmin 650 that you are aware of?

1:15 Im wondering that make right turn is right?

My instructor told me to never turn towards the barb of a PT. What am I missing here?

Isn't Procedure Turn the same as Circle to Land? Both have the same outcome. Establish yourself for an instrument approach, while you are coming in from an opposite direction.

PLEASE SPEAK UP!! We also used this procedure to do a VOR letdown.

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