ProCharger Sucks Less!

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The ProCharger update is here and we think we know what caused the issue that took the Lethal Camaro out of Forced induction status.
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@RoadhogRNA 6 лет назад

Glad to see your back in action and Kudos to ProCharger for taking care of you.. Customer Service is KING!!!

@MrTimdtoolman1 6 лет назад

A engine problem like that can drive you nuts. Good job to ever figured that out, sounds like you found the problem.

@MrLeeCamaro 6 лет назад

Way to go Matt. Keep it up looking forward to seeing the complete motor built with the forged internals. Trust me you'll love it.

@vr6projects 4 года назад

I love the content in this and the previous supercharger issues vid, very useful and reassuring information 👍 I thank you

@salvadorlopez-ol4ul 6 лет назад

So glad that the car is working fine now! Oh, and congratulations on the upcoming baby!

@tazz3069 6 лет назад

Glad you got your car all back together. I have one question. On your SW headers, did you go with 1 7/8" or 2" because of the Pro Charger? Do you think getting your headers Ceramic Coated will get rid of your issues with the hard starts??

@hubblefubble1179 6 лет назад

Glad you got it sorta figured out. You've got an awesome machine! Looking forward to the next mod updates!

@zanerafael4168 2 года назад

I realize it's quite off topic but do anybody know a good place to stream new movies online ?

@leechristopher3295 2 года назад

@Zane Rafael Flixportal xD

@zanerafael4168 2 года назад

@Lee Christopher thanks, I signed up and it seems to work :) I appreciate it !!

@leechristopher3295 2 года назад

@Zane Rafael you are welcome :)

@happynow01 6 лет назад

Can't even keep mine running long enough to mod... very jealous! Mine keeps shuttering even with new TC..😑.. getting run-a-round.. so, prob getting rid of it.. love your videos, love the car! Best of luck!

@SouthCarolinaMike 6 лет назад

I know it's packed in there, maybe when Cunningham has it possibly looking into aux fans or a fan switch for when you're sitting still to force air through? Just kind thinking out loud. Good luck, love the vids and your dedication to the channel.

@michaelkawecki7252 6 лет назад

Is the clanking noise coming from the Pro Charger Puly"s and does it sound quiater with the hood down? Michael

@td780 6 лет назад

I just bought a 2017 1ss with 16,000 miles on it. It has a rough idle. I took it to the dealer and they checked it said there were no codes and that these engines always have a rough idle. Is this true? Do these engines idle rough right from the factory ?

@519streets4 6 лет назад

Good job on finding the problem! I take my comment from the "I cried video" starter was made on a Friday..haha

@pali1H 4 года назад

Love your videos man. At the time of this build, we're you running a stock bottom end? I see you mention getting forged bottom end had head and valve work but can't figure out if you did pistons or rods, just not forged at this time. I have a 2017 2SS Fifty and want to go the centrifugal route as Im shooting for 550-570 rwhp. Just trying to figure out if I should build the motor at all. I was thinking of 6psi. I

@Lethalgarage 4 года назад

We had drop ins.

@mewhowhat1 5 лет назад

I wish I would have seen this sooner. As soon as I heard you say the battery indicator was dropping g when it got hot I knew it was the starter. Same thing happen to mine. Over time i started to smell a burnt electronics smell. But the starter looked perfect. GM changed it and the problem was gone. My car was a stock 2016 SS.

@Parker565 2 года назад

My car started doing this shortly after heads cam and lifter install. Might need to install a new starter when I stab my built motor in. Old motor just threw a rod out of the block…

@salsasnacker 6 лет назад

Have you thought about using some heat wrap on the headers? or some other kind of shielding between that and the new starter?

@mykro69 6 лет назад

I had cooling problems with my LSA conversion in my Chev SS sedan. Put high flow Derale dual fan kit instead of stock fans. Fixed my problems even on a 95 degree Florida day. Also have ceramic coated headers. Question. I looked at your video as close as I could. Is that your air intake up against your firewall? If it is, your IAT's must be quite high.

@coop4274 6 лет назад

Kinda makes you wonder how much heat the factory hood vents (which your car no longer has) let escape. Just a thought.

@gotss2go 6 лет назад

Glad you got the car back running again!!!!

@briangreer6567 6 лет назад

After watching this for the second time, my 2010 Camaro SS (stock and certified pre-owned) after super hot day of driving, stopngo traffic a slow to no start, had me worried. Started looking for battery issues, but no issues since that day, a few weeks later hot again and almost no start AGM batteries are a newer issue. The car computer would never show a bad battery,14.7 volts at start up hot or not then goes down a little. I hope this helps put a prospective on the battery end of things. thanks

@metalmeltdown31 6 лет назад

Is that an optional black procharge or the standard colour they come in?

@norvintinoco9881 6 лет назад

I had this same thing happened was checking out your prior video happen to my corvette starter did not want to start the car up swapped out the starter twice. Turned out to be an auxillary cooler wire that was touching ground on the battery cable that leads to the starter nice video!

@2ambaby198 6 лет назад

When you order long tube headers don't you have an option to use some type of heat reducing coating instead of just bare steel? I forgot what it was called

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

Some people will coat and wrap their headers. You typically have to go to a 3rd party to do it.

@Harleyguy03 6 лет назад

Do any amp draw or a bench tests on the old starter?

@stephenmitchell3569 5 лет назад

Super glad your over your cold and your car's pro charger is okay. Sounds like it's puter putting way too much timing during start. Maybe just need a heat shield for starter. I had a problem like that with heat frying the starter every 3 or 4 months. Made a heat shield and ran duct to blow on starter like road race cars for brake cooling fix it. Hoping just a starter made day after a holiday by a hang over Canadian...ha ha ha! Glad y'all are good!!! Old guy from Georgia!! Good video!

@kodiakk1765 6 лет назад

Hey Matt, Just an interesting point. Years ago when I had my 70 T/A it had an LS7 454 with monster power and I actually carried a deck of cards because my starter would get so hot ( glowing red to be exact ) we would have to wait for it to cool down enough for it to engage. So yeah it happens. If we couldn't wait we would push start it and away we would Go. Love the vids and have learned so much, thanks man.

@shadetreeracer3715 6 лет назад

Love the color combo looks really good

@bransonlariscy4660 11 месяцев назад

Also where did you get a used procharger? This sound like it might be a great option for me.

@TasteofPinoy 5 лет назад

Hey there! Awesome vids. I’m debating now whether to get a Procharger or a magnuson heartbeat Supercharger. Any take on this?

@Lethalgarage 5 лет назад

Maggie ftw

@Ecastrillo04 6 лет назад

great vlogs man! I'm a vette owner, but your videos are so informative, that I had to subscribe

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

Thanks man

@jonwienk7820 6 лет назад

Do you have a under sized harmonic balancer pully? That could do it

@cole-trickle50 6 лет назад

Have the headers been Ceramic coated ? Cost me about $400 to have mine done . Looks good , helps with the heat and protects them long term

@Goodbrah 6 лет назад

@lethalgarage Do you think I should forge my motor, just to make it more reliable with just headers, tune and intake? maybe a blower I wanna push around 600 hp but safely without having high maintenance or scared of something breaking

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

Not with bolt-ons and if you stay at 600 rwhp.

@Goodbrah 6 лет назад

So you dont think I will run into any problems as a daily, I just want to maintain drivability, with some extra power without worrying about something breaking just like to know I been following your build since the start.

@rezzo_6fn659 6 лет назад

Love your garage man!

@austing2005 6 лет назад

Mine starts slow sometimes if I've been driving a while and shut it off (or kill it because it's a manual) then try and restart it and it's stock.

@cmyskill5272 6 лет назад

By chance will you be doing a review of the BMR equipment installed before the engine work begins? Maybe a review on just how the car launches with the stock vs BMR rear suspension?

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

Yes, but its hard to provide that full review without it being a seat in your pants feeling.

@n8_1le10 6 лет назад

Have you thought about wrapping or ceramic coating headers?

@n8_1le10 6 лет назад

jasen ratnam to keep heat down so he doesn't burn up another starter.

@hmackprotection1 6 лет назад

jasen ratnam, what? Smh

@hmackprotection1 6 лет назад

n8_1le 👌

@edmonddantes3499 5 лет назад

Maybe I missed this part but...why was ur charger so loud if it was the starter ? I could almost see if ur alternator was making more noise, workin harder, but...the charger making noises and "Not" being the issue.?.

@majedbadghaish 6 лет назад

Heat is one of the main issues with Starters here in Dubai, almost every Camaro owner I know had the starter replaced.. But also found out to have a connection issue starting from the Fuse Box Ground.. But never the less changing the starter solved it but expect it to come back again.

@Urnotthatguypal_ 6 лет назад

Hey how high is your intake air temperature because that intake is like right next to the header to me it would seem to me it would just suck hot air but let me know if you get a chance thanks

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

When you r car is driving the delta drops within 5 degrees of the outside air. Most times it hovers about 90-100 on a 88-95 degree day. when its int he 70's it hovers in the 80's.

@scottduncan6885 6 лет назад

Sounds awesome!

@PeterSS-sj7oz 6 лет назад

If it's the heat from the headers that baked your starter. Are you concerned that will happen again with the new one?

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

Yup. We're keeping an eye on it.

@pummuckel1 6 месяцев назад

i had a built 1987 trans am and had same problem and found out the headers was baking the starter had to get special starter and it never did it again.

@wheelyman12 3 месяца назад

Hey bud I have a 12 ss with same set up. Having some issues. Like to pick your brain on the issues. Can you shoot me a chat? I’d like ask you what size belt also I had that same sound. It went away when I took that motor cover off and changed the hood. I’m at 755 rwhp

@Lethalgarage 3 месяца назад

Can message me on IG

@raford250 6 лет назад

Matt, it sounds like you don't have it zeroed in on the actual problem, but my car is very slow starting from time to time as well. It starts every time though. Some of my friends run headers or headers and a roots style blower, none of them have the slow start issue that I am seeing.

@kingrubio3976 8 месяцев назад

What’s the original color of that air intake filter?

@R8RFan007 6 лет назад

What about the noise issue you said was recurring? That's not starter related unless your starter is not disengaging from the flywheel.

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

+Lorenzo Garza no more noise

@JJDaCool1 6 лет назад

What kinda of oil you using matt just curious? Brand,weight, synthetic ect?

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

AMSOIL Z-Rod 10w-30. Some of the best available for protection on built motors.

@jasonmiranda7377 6 лет назад

How much is the pro charger running for...

@jmilitos 6 лет назад

Man that make since. I just got back from Cunningham today. It's Freacking hot. I stop for gas and I sometimes get slow starts after my performance upgrades. I have a stage 3 package with long tube headers. I havent gotten no charging issues but slow starts definitely few times. Specially after a short drive and traffic trips. Crazy. I also have a A/C issue because the extra heat. Need to drop some Freon pressure. Right now the A/C is turning off because of high pressure. I am taking it in to A/C shop tomorrow after the 2 cars and coffee meets tomorrow

@alansosa164 6 лет назад

Long tube headers will heat up your starter and cause problems. Most performance parts dealers sell wraps for starters.

@anthonyantista3498 6 лет назад

My car does the same thing sometimes in regards to a sluggish start but its short trips with my amp and subwoofers eating away at that battery. I bet starting your car with a longer serpentine belt and another object to rotate takes more amps from initial start and short trips don't allow full charge to compensate. not sure about why something wouldn't rotate unless bearings failed from heat like you said. keep us posted, thanks

@b1le714 6 лет назад

Hey quick question are you still on stock stall converter?

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

I am.

@mattdavis9331 6 лет назад

Why are you forging the bottom end? I thought the LT1 was good for around 800-900hp at the crank on the stock bottom end.

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

Nope. People pop their motors at 650 range. Or at least they have been. Primarily due to the piston rings.

@BlackWhiteBeast 6 лет назад

Yes, whp.

@hmackprotection1 6 лет назад

LethalGarage, Matt if that’s true, then that’s a terrible indictment on GM building that Engine..they should’ve at least made the internals as durable as Fords 5.0 Roadrunner, & 5.0 Coyote Engines since that’s GM’s direct competition..add boost to Fords 5Liter, & put down 650WHP reliably with no issues whatsoever, & zero need to open the Engine at all..

@ismelsierra469 6 лет назад

Happened to me in my Corvette. I installed a PowerMaster Master Torque starter. Problem solved. No more embarrassing situations.

@Sandkei 6 лет назад

Did you ever finish that video you were doing on those side vent installs?

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

+Sandkei editing it

@Sandkei 6 лет назад

Cool

@bbaaspencer1 4 года назад

I had a 1972 Cheyenne with a 402 big block and previous owner put headers on it and had slow start when hot. I made a heat shield for the starter and problem solved!

@williejennin8730 6 лет назад

whats up man i enjoy your videos keep up the good work. i was wandering if a could buy a lethal camaro shirt, if they're for sale, do you have a 4x. i have a 2017 zl1 red. would love to rock the shirt when i take my car out.

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

I have 4x in 5th and 6th gen inspired designs and they can be found at www.lethalgarage.com

@williejennin8730 6 лет назад

LethalGarage Thanks for responding, I will take a look and buy 1 or two

@williejennin8730 6 лет назад

Ok, I bought a black one. Thanks again from Florida

@bransonlariscy4660 11 месяцев назад

Just do me a favor and do some reading about how the cars altanator works and how it decides when it generates full voltage 14v and when it drops down to 10v-11v

@doglips6 6 лет назад

I agree with the heat shield. Very light and effective.

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

Have 2 on the car now. Had only the one from factory previously.

@raulgutierrez3730 6 лет назад

LethalGarage the heat does cause issues get them ceramic coated for heat inside and out and then wrapped to preserve all parts wires etc also keeping those underhood temps down look at ur airfilter does the procharger suck in all that hot air. Imagine how hot those headers get with the procharger providing boost . Horsepower is heat like the calloway engineers says watch the callaway sledgehammer vid

@brianabonce 6 лет назад

I had my starter go out because the battery was bad. Replaced battery and starter and Everything works great now. If you have problems with starter again then it might be the alternator/battery.

@Craftsmansteve 6 лет назад

Just out of curiosity who signed the engine cover?

@domok3825 6 лет назад

Craftsmansteve It was some guy from Camaro Fest.

@I5ZQ8 6 лет назад

Is your procharger the helical ut gear set or just the regular??

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

Its the helical gears

@batbat1156 6 лет назад

Are you going to put a 1 piece carbon fiber driveshaft in you camaro ss?

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

+batbat1156 Not planning on it

@zion175 6 лет назад

Next video: How to keep your engine bay clean Looks brand new

@mattdavis9331 6 лет назад

Dr. Ashi Ali I think he did a video on that already.

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GxEY2zUbYC8.html ;)

@mac6746 5 лет назад

Definitely starter bro I went thru the same thing with my 5th gen. The headers cook the starter. It usually takes about 1 1/2 with a starter blanket. About 3 months no blanket

@somebody422 3 года назад

There's actually a class action lawsuit for the 2010-2020 camaros on the starter bc people with full stock camaros are having issues starting their cars due to the engines notorious heat soak. I'm so late to this video but it makes so much sense and im mad I didnt realize it sooner.

@Lethalgarage 3 года назад

I even made a video on it

@paradisechevy 6 лет назад

Under the hood looks great bud!!!

@stevesolo16 3 года назад

If the EGT stays below 1360 degrees there should be no problem, no matter how built the engine is...sort of. What was the issue after all of your looking into the problem? Did you have a backpressure issue with the exhaust, maybe?

@Lethalgarage 3 года назад

We had a lot of issues. We moved to a Whipple and opened her all up.

@stevesolo16 3 года назад

@@Lethalgarage I think I stayed up way too late lastnight watching you build your Camaro! I must have watched 10 vids of yours.

@amos8477 3 года назад

The procharger noise is caused by the heated air producing high positive pressure inside the procharger. Let the car fully warm up and release the hot air inside the procharger. It worked for mine.

@gunadigm1884 6 лет назад

Ultimate ultimate garage man...

@HeathLCK 6 лет назад

I got Al's sig at Fest too!

@MTJ281 6 лет назад

Your aftermarket hood could be the culprit, there is a lot less ventilation for heat to rise and escape the engine bay with your current hood. That Skorpion style hood is designed to pull air in while moving whereas the stock one has hood vents around the hat itself allowing heat to escape easily while at a standstill. Maybe think about getting a ZL1 Style CF hood with the large ventilation areas around the insert, ACS sells what looks like a pretty good quality one to me.

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

The rear side of the skorpion hood actually allows more air to escape. the overall IATs and air flow temps dropped once the hood was put on.

@glenharrilal1295 5 лет назад

I bought a sixth gen camaro ss and after 30,000 miles the starter started dragging like that same way lethal camaro did ,the car was never modified ,they warranteed the starter and later that month i bought a new ZL1 camaro ,man it was the greatest car i ever drove. It was car nirvana. Getcha some...

@BlackFireWolf13 4 года назад

Chevy has always been notorious for alternator and starter issues, especially on the bigger engines. Can't even tell you how many my family has had to replace over the years. Glad she's back fully restored and running full throttle again. PS. What happened to Cunningham Motorsports?

@KrisprzGarage 6 лет назад

Hmm do you Andy from Diablo Formula Racing shipping out your ZL1 seats? 🤔 lol

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

He did ship them out.l They made an appearance in his recent video.

@Alkeides 5 лет назад

I want to start off by saying thanks. Thank you for reminding me why I dont want to buy an SS and start modifying it. Had my share of radom issues on a 2jz swap. I'd rather take the $18000 that was spent on upgrades and buy a ZL1. Hopefully (fingers crossed) that will keep me on the track and out of the pit. Good luck to you sir.

@youngnueve8494 3 года назад

Built is better than bought so you know 😉

@GearheadOutlaw 6 лет назад

Try wrapping the headers and the starter. Had good results from overeating sraters in the past, especially on 6th gen corvettes.

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

If I run into issues again that will be next steps.

@GearheadOutlaw 6 лет назад

LethalGarage keep us posted on the situation. But keep in mind that if you have ceramic coated headers it might damage the coating, you might be able to just wrap the section closer to the starter. Good luck

@muffinman74656 5 лет назад

My 2016 SS does the SAME thing! Run in the gas station and come back out, car barely starts. 😡 changing starter ASAP Asked the dealership to change it a while back and they said “ they couldn’t duplicate the problem” 😡🤬

@ercost60 Год назад

Man I wish I had your parts cannon. Fire away!

@fastaSSalex 6 лет назад

Can i kno exactly your whole exhaust set up. Just sounds so dam good man 😍lol

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

Stainless Works. Full LT headers and system out the back.

@Trpmanne 6 лет назад

The more I see of these superchargers the more I’m going for centrifugal over twin screw

@renebt2207 6 лет назад

How much for 10 quartz of amsoil?

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

Shoot me an e-mail and I can get you full details.

@BuildingDaily 5 месяцев назад

This doesn't explain the reason why the procharger was making noise and getting super hot... plenty of people run long tubes with your setup with zero issues. If the car can't sit and idel, thats a problem man. Hope you got it sorted out though.

@Lethalgarage 5 месяцев назад

Pro charger decided to tell us nothing was wrong with it and we were basically crazy all while sending a rebuilt unit which didn’t show any signs of the unit we pulled off.

@BuildingDaily 5 месяцев назад

@Lethalgarage damn man... that's insane... unfortunately, it doesn't surprise me. Well, I'm glad they sent you a rebuilt one, at least. No one seems to be on the up and up these days... love the car, though.

@darthuchiha385 6 лет назад

I'm dying to know, what are bolt-one?

@kells18 6 лет назад

Sagi Skins basically anything that is not inside the engine it's self that attaches to the car with bolts. Exhaust, intake, his pro charger, suspension. Etc

@darthuchiha385 6 лет назад

Ahh makes since now, thank you.

@richdog7076 6 лет назад

Are you going to take it to the drags?

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

She will be posting a 1/4 miles number soon.

@snake3276120 6 лет назад

Dude how much have you spent on your car...

@mygoat1 6 лет назад

What kind of power are you making? If I had to guess I would say 550rwhp

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

I was at 747rwhp

@mikemanzo9673 4 года назад

You were at 747whp on stock bottom end here ?

@Lethalgarage 4 года назад

No, it was forged

@efremendez 6 лет назад

With all the $ you dumped into your car you should have got a vented lighter weight hood. Like I did on my rip mods boosted 2003 Eclipse GT. You still should. Love the white mine was white with white oz lightweight racing rims.

@RonaldAnderson 6 лет назад

Because the LT1 is not built to have a supercharger on it. The slow start is a GM issue. Nope not the long tubes. Mine slow started before my LTs

@RonaldAnderson 6 лет назад

What cam?

@bluedog600 6 лет назад

Where can i get a used pro charger

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

Ebay?

@raulgutierrez3730 6 лет назад

Ls1tech.com classifieds

@johnmoore8800 6 лет назад

ALL YOU NEED IS A HEAT SHIELD FOR YOUR STATRER. THIS IS A COMMON PROBLEM WHEN EVER YOU INSTALL HEADERS. PIT SOME DOUG THORLYS ON MY 72 CHEVY TRUCK. DID EXACTLY WHAT YOU DESCRIBE. SO PIT A START HEAT SHIELD NEVER HAD ANOTHER ISSUE WITH MY STARTER.

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

It has a heat shield.

@DominicDamiano-sf3uq 7 месяцев назад

Are you air to air, or air to water

@tomkjr1 6 лет назад

This is why supercharged Mustangs have vented hoods to bleed off excess engine heat. Maybe a manual switched fan setup would help you since you don't have a well vented hood.

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

My hood vents pretty well compared to the stock hood setup.

@recoveredandredeemed 6 лет назад

Dude, I was going to comment on the last video and didn't because.... Well... I'm lazy. I took mine out to take some drone footage of donuts and "using up" the rest of my tires before I got new ones. Same exact issue..did some burn outs.. Car stalled.. Had to get it towed. Turns out it was a faulty starter and I don't have a proharger.. Its possibly just something with the starters they initially put in the cars..i have the same exact car as you but manual.

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

+Kerry Smith Good to know

@anthonyantista3498 6 лет назад

I got the same car as you and now you got me worried. mine is kinda slow to start, but I have one of the first models 2016 made in jan. Currently have 11,500 miles. Question, how many miles til you had that issue?

@bransonlariscy4660 11 месяцев назад

Bro those cars have a smart charging system. Sometimes it charges the battery and sometimes it does not. This would explain the voltage meter jumping all over. My 2017 has done this before where it start kind of slow randomly but it always starts. And after it runs a few mins you can shut it off and it will start just fine. I just think the "smart charger isn't always so smart lol

@63m37 5 лет назад

My 2010 did a very Similar thing. I replaced the starter and 10 months later it died again.I wrapped the header and put a heat Blanket on the starter. Still started slow.... I saw a spark coming from under the Hot wire Cover where the hot Wire Runs Up from the Battery. The connection bolt was 1/2 a turn loose.I tightened it and the car was perfect! It turns out the sparking killed the new starter selonoid! The car starts normal at any temp and the voltage gauge reads 13.5 and Dosen't Move!

@seanallen1315 6 лет назад

Why do our 6th Gen Camaros take forever to start?

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

GM hates us. Its honestly the LT1 design.

@dominickirkwood 6 лет назад

I love it very good

@Davidzl1one 6 лет назад

Tune specs maybe🤔

@Lethalgarage 6 лет назад

Tune remains the same with no issues beyond the starter replacement.

@Davidzl1one 6 лет назад

LethalGarage builds always make me nervous with unforeseen issues especially since my home town has absolutely no credibility when it comes to speed shops so if a build is to be done it would have to be out of town😢😬

@STOICDevelopmentcenterofEARTH 6 лет назад

I live right behind a Motiva

@alonsoharos5295 6 лет назад

I had a problem with my starter I wanted to die shit like that doesn’t give you a CEL so you think its your engine i Figured it out in about two hours the longest two hours of my life