Product Review: VIRPIL MongoosT-50CM2 Base, VFX Grip & Curved Extension 

What it is is annoying.

Seriously, I appreciate the video, I really do, but personally, if I made a video like this I’d clean them up a bit first.

Absofookinlutely, slack as a bag of track links!

The heavy weight isn't a trick or gimmick, it's exactly what it should be. I know we gamers like lightweight input devices, but the designs of aviation (to this day) disagree. Even in general aviation, a pilot needs to use a LOT of force to full deflect control surfaces on an airplane. We can easily design aircraft that are controllable with finger tips to achieve full deflection but it is an active choice to not do this. I think you should ponder why. It's perfectly valid to ditch that idea for games/simulations, but there's a reason for it and it's feature. Many of this in the realistic simulation space prefer it as well. If you couldn't land precisely with a TM Warthog, that was you. I'm sorry...that's just you. Carrier landing, air to air refeuling -- all of it is easily controllable with a TM Warthog both throttle and stick and if you can't, you fundamentally don't know what you're doing. Whatever the difference is with Virpil, is a placebo. You feel like "Top Gun" because you want to like it, but plenty of virtual pilots will kick your ass with "TM Warthog" gear - including me. In DCS, you should never be controlling your aircraft like a maniac. If you are, you're doing it wrong. Even in a dog fight it should be smooth and coordinated movement. High resistance around center is desirable because if you're giving any input off center axis, you should know very clearly based on feel. You can't always go by how/where the aircraft is flying because that is influenced by other factors and the most immediate detection for an unwanted input is to know that you're pulling the stick in a direction and "let go." I think for other use cases, you need to learn (and apply) how to trim an aircraft. If you're a space simmer, then the TM Warthog is probably not for you. It's heavy and not meant to be for jerky, exaggerated correctional, and reactionary movements to aim for stuff. In DCS, you don't need to have high reactionary and reflexing skill to hit targets. If you hit it, it's because you set up your ingress/approach, used reliable and accurate sensors, and delivery settings. Tip for deflecting the A-10 stick: use the bend of your wrist back, forward, or to the side to initiate and fine control movement around the center. If you move the stick with your arm muscles primarily trying to the stick from the top, you're doing it wrong. That's why it's not accurate and tiring. Sure, a lighter stick with less resistance will allow you to use this terrible technique more effectively, but bad is bad.

How is the 200mm extension on the WarBRD? Was under the impression it wasn’t recommended for the WarBRD to have large extensions like that, only the small ones.

@@WhiteHawk77 absolutely fine. The recommendation is to do with the extra throw of the WarBRD and potential damage to the grip by hitting thing. All fine for me.

@@vintagepairdisplayteam910 how about the leverage with such a big extension, did you put in the stronger springs?

@@WhiteHawk77 yes, the extra heavy springs. It’s great, nearly two years in.

money...

@@antongrobl5622 True bro. I own all but like 4 modules. But I'm in credit card debt for the next 10 years

@@AXL4LIFE229 haha rip

haven't tried that one. What's the appeal compared to let's say, the F-18 or F-16 ?

@@dabneyoffermein595 the flight model is way better IMO, since it’s not a fly by wire aircraft she can be a real challenge to fly but once you master it you’ll never go back. Oh and killing stuff from 80 miles away is pretty amusing

One of the GR guys did this.

@@grimreapers ay nice . Did they find it much better than the sticky warthog base ?

I used the Warthog stick, then the Thrustmaster F18 stick on the Virpil WarBrd base. That was much better than the TM base.

@@gr-skil nice i think that will be my next upgrade then . I assume the warbird base has no trouble with the heavy TM sticks ? if its not screwed down to a table

@@Husker5454 the base itself had no trouble with the grips. I used mine with the centreless cams, strongest springs and a 100mm extension (I know its not recommended, so its a use at your own risk deal). I had the base mounted to a wheelstand pro, so I had no problem with it moving about, I can not say how well it would do sitting on a desk, although with the setup I had, i think it would have moved around...

A lot more expensive options out there really.