Project JUNK S10 3" Lift Spindle Install & Rear Flip Kit 

What about the Springs??

Hey so did you use the shackles? Just making sure before I buy the shackles too, I am planning on doing mine as you did yours

@@jasonwilliams2852 I bought a maxtrac kit that had brake lines lift spindles and rear shackles. I bought all Moog front end parts all ball joints tie rod ends and energy suspension a arm bushings top and bottom for truck. I put it all together and I have 5 inch lift in the front and about 2in in the back I need to get the back up higher I don't know how to do it. I think that I need to weld on shackles to the rear axle to get rear axle under leaf springs instead of on top of leaf springs. But the find a shop that will do it is very questionable. Maxtrac lift did work good in the front Perry don't know what to do. I'll post my solution when I find the answer. But I think it is performance four-wheel drive shops that will just do the flip kit for you you need a flip kit on this because putting longer Shackles on the rear end is going to make for a while a rough ride. It's either that or longer leaf springs that are arched so the truck is up higher. People telling me an add a leaf will do it as well but I think it'll be way too stiff. I'll post my answer later the problem is they don't make a Fabtech lift kit anymore and I've researched it and they just they don't make it anymore. Jack did it back while ago and it isn't available anymore it's what's on the video. It's an injustice to us as 10 drivers that we can't get a flip kit no more for that rear end to raise it up. Lee's everyone's have to go to a shop to put a weld in purchase on the top of the axle so they can put it

Did your 35's rub much? I'm thinking of putting 33's on my S10

I wish I could buy all new parts on every project, but I don't have an unlimited budget. Sometimes I have to put hard work into a project to save money. I think that is "genius" as you say.

It is a cool idea but not sure they make them anymore. I couldn't find it online but didn't look real hard because I was able to buy this kit used.

The rust sure doesn't help any :)

Once I figured the bolts were hitting the axle the flip kit fit like a glove. Yup, Fabtech blue.

@@mossman381 I was going to buy the same kit did you need to get bigger wheels I was talking to someone about this and they mentioned id need 17 inch wheels

If you use your head and plan where you stop a 2-wheel drive will work most places. We have snow up here in Wisconsin so that complicates the wintertime.

I use Blaster but this truck was pretty bad. Probably the worst I have even seen.

Sounds like a good truck. I will take a look at the video when you post it.

We have some spring compressors. There was a reason I didn't use it but forgot it's been so long now.

Yup, pre runner. Some people get all bent out of shape when people lift 2wd trucks and lower 4wd ones. I have done both :)

I love my new intro. Thanks for noticing. I haven't gotten much feedback from it so didn't really know if anybody liked it.

Got a 2001 GMC Sonoma 6 inch suspension 2 inch body and a 2000 Ranger same , both 2wd lol they look better not into off-road but they look tougher

Surprised they have lasted 2 years without a seal.

Spent some money and time but the truck is back rolling again and looks great.

@@mossman381 I would like to do an axle flip on mine instead of having the adjustable shackle drop I've already got mine on the 4-inch mark I need one more inch to make it level! That kit that you got must have been one of a kind!

Found the flip kit on Ebay. It was used made by Fabtech.

Grandpa did some off-roading because he had a big garden on one of his daughters land. I am guessing something happened there.

I don't think leaf springs need to be on the ground to tighten u-bolts.

@@mossman381 these videos state you must retorque on the ground. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LOBeuUpSjpg.html look at time 11:29 to 11:39

look also at this video at 25:26 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-cxifbiy_IT0.html

Yes, some suspension parts need the weight on them but not leaf springs. My guess is he is talking about the front parts.

I like how they hammer all the bolts tight with air tools then say when the weight of the truck is on we retorqued the bolts. They have over torqued just about every single bolt they hammered with the air tool.

Original brake hoses won't work.

hello @mossman381, nice job. I'm lifting my chevy S10 2001. As you explained in the video, new brake hoses are needed. What length of hoses did you get? Maybe another chevy truck model hose that fits? I'd appreciate your comment. Regards

​@@mossman381 nice job. As you explained, new front brake hoses are needed. What length for hoses did you use? maybe other chevy model hoses that fit? Thanks in advance

@@crduartew I don't remember the hoses I used. The guy at Carquest helped me find one. He was a guy I knew from way back. The new guys at the parts stores are no help. I wouldn't even waste my time asking them now. Trying to remember anything about them but it was a long time ago.

The truck is nearly done now and I love it. Can't wait to show everybody the completed truck.

I don't think that flip kit is made anymore. I bought it used.

I think you could just do shackles but I haven't done that myself. You will need longer shocks or extensions for your shock mounts.

@@mossman381 thanks great video thats what i am doing to my 2000 s10 extreme cant stand lowered trucks looks terrible and bottoms out on bumps so i am lifting it 3 inches thanks for the info

I didn't have any problems like that.

Your truck will look good no matter which way you go. Lower or raised. I had no use for a lowered truck. I go off the road quite a bit. You do have to be careful when going off the road with a 2wd but I use my head to keep me out of trouble. Build the truck for the way you will use it. If you never go off the paved roads then a street truck look would be awesome. I little lower with good street tires. It will handle better than a lifted truck too. Good luck with your build.

@@mossman381 Right on, thanks for the insight. Looks like I have a decision to make, I do plan on taking the misses and the dogs on some camping trips - On those trips I don't think I'll be doing any serious off road driving, maybe some trails getting to where we need to go, but nothing crazy. Thanks again

be safe in whatever you do since you are taking misses with ya ....happy new year young man !

I would have to make a lot more off RU-vid before I could take on another project. My channel doesn't seem to grow all that much and I am not sure why. I tried starting a paid channel to help with projects but nobody wanted to help.

The rear didn't take long but I did some other things like diff cover and rear wheel seals and filming takes time. I already did my rear shackles which were a real pain because of rust. You can see that video in the playlist for this truck.

I have a compression fitting on the fuel line on this truck. It's held for years now. Never used the shark bite fittings. If a compression fitting is done right it should hold as long as the line holds.

CARQUEST # BHA38102. And then you will need an adaptor to get to your factory line. 7/16-24 inverted female to 3/8-24 inverted male.

I didn't use factory rims although the factory rims did fit before I got my new rims and tires. I trimmed some of my upper control arm when I got the bigger tires. It wasn't hitting the tire but was very close. Didn't want to chance wrecking expensive BFG tires. Here is the video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-H31u9qQTKAM.html I need to get spacers or I should have gotten rims with a little less backspacing. That would eliminate the problem completely.

mossman381 so I can run my factory rims and tired no problem temporary until I get a set of tires money is tight or should I get a one inch spacer

I am not really sure. I don't remember them saying 17" or bigger when I bought mine. I had my original rims and tires on the truck and everything cleared.

That is weird. My lift kit has the rear way higher than the front. What kit did you buy?

@@mossman381 the manufacturing company that made my kit is called maxtrax. Bought new spindles shocks brake lines shackles and rear shocks . Came in the kit. The problem now is the Friday in got about a 5 inch lift from this kit. I replaced all front end parts and put Moog Springs in the front. Put the shackles in the shocks in the back in the back only got about a two and a half inch lift . so I need another two and a half inch lift in the back. I used the shackles that maxtrac supplied in their kit Suspension is stiff. I wouldn't want to put a taller shackle on there because the one I have on there is pretty long. I believe I put it on a longer shackle on there, ride would be unruly stiff. I believe I need to do an axle flip on the rear to get the right suspension hide and ride. Involves welding new shackles on top of axle housing Arrowhead which no shop wants to do. I'm very surprised that you replied back to me. I wonder how to level this truck out. I sure would hate to have to take the lifting spindles off. But it might come to that. Thank you once again. I'm surprised you replied!

I reply to most comments and am always willing to help others. Do you have a link to the kit you used? 5" of lift on the front and 2.5" in the rear doesn't sound right. Usually the kits have a similar amount of lift so the vehicle is close to level. A shackle won't effect the ride. It doesn't change the spring rate of the leaf springs. I longer shackle or an add-a-leaf lift for your rear springs. The add-a-leaf will make your suspension stiffer.

Sorry I don't have time right now to look up my maxtrac part number and what not at the moment. Preciate your help. Who else makes a flip kit? I need a flip kit to get me that extra two maybe three inch lift in the back. Here's a picture of my truck and I'll came out. I put news Moog stock Springs in front. And all Moog ball joints tie rod ends everything's new energy suspension polyurethane bushings in a arms. Here's a picture of my truck! Looks like I can't send you a picture of my truck but I thought I could. Who makes the flip kit for an S10 2 wheel drive tell me buddy please.?!

As far as I know you can't get a flip kit anymore. I found a MaxTrac 3" lift kit for $697. According to the what I saw they only put a 1" lift shackle in the kit. That won't be enough. If you did use a 1" lift shackle you need a longer one.

The next few videos will answer a lot of these questions. The rear is a little high. Didn't know the flip kit was like a 5-6" lift. Probably could just go with rear shackles to get a cheap lift. This truck is almost complete and I have been driving it. It drives surprising well. It's a little more stiff than before but I think it's the new shocks and new springs up front.

The coil spring was a struggle. I made my own tool to help with the install. Check the playlist for this project to see that.

I used a internal spring compressor. Still a pain in the ass.

I have a spring compressor but when I looked at the space to work in I didn't think I would be able to get it out once installed.

Will work, but need to hit it with a hammer and pry bar to get it out. Good job man. I did almost the same setup on a family members S10. Add a cheap lock rite or Aussie locker and will go decent Offroad.

No bounce. Do you have good shocks installed?

I don't think they make the flip kit anymore. I would just get a rear shackle lift kit. That will match the spindle lift much better anyway.

@@mossman381 I have seen those just not sure how they worked. Will that allow me to put the axle under the spring?

No, it's just a longer rear shackle for the leaf spring. That will give you lift. You can usually buy a lift kit with the spindles and the rear shackles together.

@@mossman381 thanks for the reply. Your help is greatly appreciated!!

Got it used on Ebay. They don't make the kit anymore.

It's not actually "flipped" its just repositioned. Axle sits on top of leaf springs. You're just putting the axle under the leaf springs which obviously raises the ass end up higher. The axles is approximately 3.5 inches so by moving it from on top to underneath is how you get the 3+ inches of lift.

No

@@mossman381 say can not use stock rims and use 17" or bigger rims? yours look stock

Look at my top post in the comments.

I don't think there is any need to lift more. The 4.3 isn't going to turn huge tires very well. Then the axles aren't meant for huge tires either. You can modify anything to do anything if you have the money. I am just trying to fit 31" tires under this one.

@@mossman381 then all you needed was a body lift lol I think, once you take off on the tube, come back and slap the coils and body lift. The sky is the limit, that's what the s stands for

@@chrisgosselin6399 I don't like body lifts. They are the cheap way to lift. Much better to lift with the suspension. I think the s stands for small. These are very small trucks.

I also used to hate on them for there gross body gaps but I noticed blazers naturally sit higher on the frame a 2in body lift will make a stock s10 show the same amount of frame as a blazer I feel the 2in keeps the body safer if you ever bottom out in a hole or going over a steep ledge. 3in Body lifts tho not advertised do fit second gens but from the side it dose show quite a bit of frame but you can fit 33 by 13.5 on 10in rims if you push it to the limit

No

Control arms should be in the same place as the factory spindle.

I don't think it's made anymore.

It won’t

The project has already really gone too far for what the truck is. Had to stop spending money at some point. The control arms are fine. They have some scale but they solid.

I made this tool ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-O85Y2V2A-c0.html

I got factory size shocks from Advance Auto. Went with the good Monroe shocks. Seems to be working fine. You have to have the truck on the ground to install them.

mossman381 thanks a lot! Appreciate it

mossman381 one more quick question bud. I finished the installation but I seem to have extreme negative camber. Did you have to get new upper control arms? My spindle seems slanted with causes the camber issue. Let me know. Thanks.

With a spindle lift everything should have stayed like the factory as far as camber. I am running factory control arms top and bottom.

The rear would be the same but the front is very different on a 4x4.

Not sure.

I think so but you should verify that the kit you buy will fit.

My truck is a 2001. I think the 98 would be the same but I would recommend you put your truck specs in your Amazon garage. Then you can check to see if the parts will fit your truck.

@@mossman381 are they pretty accurate on knowing if they fit.

I have found it to be pretty reliable.

You are going to have a hard time finding that flip kit. They don't make it anymore. You can do a shackle lift in the back to match the spindle lift. A lot easier too.

mossman381 summit has em I just checked

They have a lift kit with shackle lift for the rear. You won't find a rear flip kit.

mossman381 summit racing has a flip kit I just went there yesterday and looked em up

That is all explained in earlier videos but the short version is it was my grandpa's last truck. I have no use for a low 2wd truck.

Plus some of us cant afford a 4x4

The video is coming soon :) I think you can probably guess the tires by now.

Quick search will find many products. I got my stuff on Ebay.

rough country sells the kit

They are solid.

Disturbed.S10 this guy knows what he’s doing when it comes to rust that much is certain

What's the point of lifting any vehicle? To fit bigger tires. I have no use for a low truck.

I have a 94 s10 4x4 8 inch's on 35s truck became useless for everyday use it's a toy I also have a 95 2 wheel I'm 6.5 and broke my hip 2 years ago Im looking to lift my 2 wheel drive to get in and out of it because it sit so low factory plus with a mini spool these 2 wheel drives go just about anywhere my 4 wheel can plus u have 22x14 I'm wanting to fit under it look at it as you spend your money your way I'll spend mine did a 80 luv like this 20 years ago it's now a pre runner and a 4.3 with a stall and a 700r4 I go places 4x4 can't and I can fly pretty high

The factory line does go in front. With the lift spindles the line will hit the ball joint. You would need a 90° bend to run the factory way. I like the way I have it run. It's out of the way and has good length for turning and full suspension drop.

Local CARQUEST.

I don't think they make the kit anymore.

@@mossman381 where did you get it tho ill search and see if i can find it

I found it on Ebay.

@@mossman381 okay im looking for some to do the axle flip on my 03

@@mossman381 they still have them but i haven’t came across the ones like you got where its got the plate for the bump stops