Nice to hear Jump on the P10. As Eddie Van Halen said in Guitar Player magazine, he wrote it on the Prophet, but had to record it on the OB-Xa cos the P10 tended to break down all the time. Great playing in the entire video!
This is the new best prophet reissue vid yet. Really shows off the range of actually useful sounds you would buy a hefty and expensive 10 voice vintage reissue for.
Wow I love it you can actually play real music on a synth haha! This is the best video I've seen, really show's how rich and thick sounding it is! Could you please make a video playing a musical phrase but then adjusting the vintage knob each time so we can compare what that does and also changing the filter modes?
Glad you dug the music! That’s a great idea to show the effects of the vintage knob, wish I’d thought of that while making the video. Next video will involve that...
It's such a pleasure to hear playing this good! And this video is a great reminder that the Prophet is an incredible instrument that can do much more than just retro pads. Thank you!
What I love about gear from that time period was there so many great NAMES for these machines. Like they were building these knowing there would be reverence for them in the future...if that makes any sense
I would do just about anything for even just the 5-voice version, but you got the 10! Absolutely fantastic playing, too! There's not enough actual players on synths these days - I prefer to play, not sequence!
Thanks for actually playing melodies. I need to hear that on a demo to see if it’s a good poly for myself. Also, you had great luck on the cool woodgrain in the cross panel.
Killer demo - Jump needs a touch of glissando (probably want to limit the synth to 5 voices for that, too). It’s subtle, but it is on the track and it always sounds just wrong enough to me without it. But your playing is phenomenal, and that’s what’s really important! I just got a P10, and sadly can’t play anywhere near what you do!
That's the nature of using real wood. Unless you go out of your way to select for colour and grain (which leads to a ton of waste that drives the cost up) variation is guaranteed.
So Moog has brought back the minimoog D, Dave Smith the Prophet 5/10, and possibly Tom Oberheim is bringing back the OBX or the OBXa. So far the first two were brought to the market for around 4,000.00. Could Roland bring back a Jupiter 8 for under 5K?
That is a reverberating no. They seem to hate their customers base. But you can get a Roland Junk X, or another of their crappy new offerings. Remember to spend more money for a subscription to the sound designs that are available, but not included. Another great thing brought to you by Roland, and their sub par marketing strategists.
i have the prophet5 v3.3 and my dream is to have a sequencer an arpegiator a split keyboard in it, and in 2020, to play alone without any daw and out sequencer like i do now, my dream doesnt come true, i will wait for the next rev2 may be.
The "JUMP" sound is not a Prophet though as you put in the video. That synth sound comes from the iconic Oberhiem OB-Xa. **Edit** the word "too" matters here, I just need to read better. Love the Twin Peaks reference too ;)
I read not too long ago that Eddie Van Halen first wrote Jump on the original Prophet-10 (single manual), but switched to the Oberheim because the Prophet-10 was too unreliable.
That song relies on 1) The OBX-a 12db filter and 2) the random LFO sample & hold. Both are features not on the P10r4. Therefore you’d need something like an OB6 to get closer to those Oberheim sounds
Tom, does the 10 just allow for more voicing a than the 5, simple as that? Or does sound different. For example, would a 5 part chord sound any different on the same preset on a 5 vs 10? Thanks...
I don’t think the additional voices of the P10 make any changes in the timbre, they just simply allow for chords with more than 5 notes. However, one notable change with additional voices is the absence of voice stealing. On patches with long sustain, up to 10 notes will continue to ring out. If the over ringing on the P10 is too much, it would require shortening the sustain envelope and/or modifying your playing style. Sequential has said they are considering implementing a function on the P10 that would allow the user to specify the maximum number of voices. Then you could have voice stealing like an original Prophet 5, if you want it.
@@tomloncaric6189 Nice! You definitely need to create a patch bank and advertise that out! I’m thinking of springing for this beast and buying some ready made sounds would only make it more worthwhile. Look forward to more postings!!
Thank you! All the patches in the video were custom made by me, except the recorder patch at 1:05, which is factory #313. The “Telstar” patch is fairly easy to do: Only one oscillator, unison on , (one voice) is set for pure square wave. Turn up the resonance about 1/2 way, and play with the filter envelopes until you like what you hear. Glide sounds great on that patch as well.
I’ve only seen an original Prophet 5 in person once, so I forget. Does it have the same LEDs as this revision? I almost thought you were playing the Twin Peaks theme by Angelö Badalamenti at 0:30. Been wrapped up in that show since it went on Netflix. Even though I’ve never been a big Sequential Circuits guy (no thanks to a blurb I once read from the Thompson Twins)and won’t likely have the budget for this model, it’s still awesome.
The panel switches on the rev 4 look quite similar to the vintage ones. And yes, it was almost “Twin Peaks”, which I believe was originally recorded with a Roland JX.
According to the trade magazines, most of the classic Thompson Twins album synth tones are Oberheim. They used the Prophets for their live shows back in the day.
Thank you Tom. Yes, the analog polyphonic from that soundtrack was a JX8p. I was blown away to recently learn that, since my first analog polyphonic (nine years after that soundtrack was new) was a JX8p. Awesome model for both the upstart (like I was in ‘99) and the pro. If I properly recall what I read, the Thompson Twins preferred playing Oberheim to Sequential Circuits, because they couldn’t tell the difference between patches on the Prophet 5. I could have misread it though.
Yes, Tom Bailey from the Thompson Twins was known for his use of, and preference for, Oberheims. The Oberheim synth on 'Jump' was obviously written on/for guitar and then played on a synth. Top track, but people are a bit obsessed by it. Still.
@@tomloncaric6189 Thank you! Never played Zelda, unfortunately (one day I'll have to, finally), but listened to a lot of its music. Looking it up I found the other piece it reminded me of, which is Holst's Jupiter. Couple more things: I watched before I read the descriptions, and was sure there was a subtle reverb throughout that made it sound so nice. I guess the Minifooger is that good! And the famous "all sweet spot" nature really is incredible. It takes ages and all the trickery in my Prophet '08 to create something approaching nice tones, and it sounds effortless on the P5. Moreover, I couldn't believe the realism of the Hammond patch, and in general how deep, yet not overbearing those patches appear, given the relatively sparse architecture of that synthesizer. Great job, can't wait to hear more from your channel 👍
From a post I made on Gearslutz: I had my P-10 Rev4 and GliGli modded P600 set up next to each other in the house earlier this week. It was actually fairly difficult to match patches on the two synths. The Prophet 600 has an upper midrange “sizzle”. It’s almost a bit distorted. The P600 does not like to have its filter closed too much, to my ears the sound then becomes muddy and lacking in punch. The rev4 has significantly more bass than the P600. This is not to say that the P600 has deficient bass, in fact it’s very capable of deep, floor rattling tones. To my ears, the rev4 has a thicker presentation, with a greater quantity of bass frequencies omnipresent. Since first hearing them in the 1970’s, I’ve always thought of the original Prophet-5 as being a dark synthesizer. (interesting that people are complaining about that now). Oberheims tended to be brasher, Rolands and Yamahas were on average thinner sounding, yet more pure and smooth in tone. That deep, rich and thick timbre was the reason an artist used a Prophet 5. It’s quite musical! Also the envelopes on the P10 rev4 and the P600 GliGli are different. The rev4 feels more punchy and snappy, more responsive. Even with the GliGli mod, the attack and decay response of the P600 seems more mellow and laid back. I’m keeping both synths by the way!
@@tomloncaric6189 Thanks for your comprehensive response Tom, much appreciated! It is especially valuable to hear the differences from someone who really knows both instruments. I have always been very impressed with the vintage Prophet sound. I am therefore very happy to own a Gligli P600 despite some shortcomings you already mentioned. By the way, I play my P600 via a Kurzweil Midiboard and that is a kind of T8 experience. Very cool, it will never go away. But now I feel even more excited to put a Rev4 next to it! Regards from JP.
Tom thanks for posting a great demo, how do you compare the p10 to the rev 2 16, in your opinion is it a different beast? I alreadly have the rev 2 16 and feel the p10 would be a great addition to complement it, any comments would be most welcome before I pull the bullet on spending 4 grand. best regards
I used to have a Prophet ‘08, which is the precursor to your Rev2 16. They are very different from the new Rev4. The ‘08 rev2 instruments have so many more features, reverse envelopes, layering, tons of modulation options, etc. They can make a lot of sounds a Prophet rev4 cannot begin to produce. What I think distinguishes the original Prophet 5 and the new rev4 is the lush core tone and extreme ease of programmability. The rev 4 is one big sweet spot, it’s hard to make a “bad” or unmusical sound. The ‘08, as I recall, was a lot more challenging to program. Small adjustments meant the difference between useable and unusable tones.
Except for the Zelda recorder preset, I made all these patches from scratch. For a couple tones, I looked at old Prophet 5 and Prophet 600 patch sheets for sound design ideas. This synth is really easy to program, even very simple patches sound musical.
@Adrian H The “Telstar” patch: one oscillator pure square wave, unison on, one voice. Turn up the resonance about 1/2 way, and play with the filter envelopes until you like what you hear. Add glide if you like.
The original Prophet 5 synthesizers and this Prophet 10 rev 4 reissue all have mono outputs. There is no “stereo” option without applying additional effects like stereo chorus.
@@tomloncaric6189 Im curios, can the basic architecture be changed to a 5 X 4? Like the Chroma, you could change voice architecture and route voice boards to specific outputs.
io non riesco proprio a capire per quale accidenti di ragione Dave Smith abbia fatto sul Pro-10 un'uscita audio mono. Non mi capacito di questa cagata cosmica.
No it doesn't, it does have more modulation options, but if you think it sounds better quit music and get a new hobby like fishing, shooting or just drinking as music is not your friend....
how ever "good" (?) this might sound I'm bored with those sounds. Booooooooooored it's dusty granpa used overused overabused sounds that i just avoid in any situation.
@@thedarkestrainbow not a troll, I'm being serious. This hardware synth doesn't even sound like a real Prophet 10, sounds like a vst emulation. Look at Dr Mix's demo of the original Prophet 10 on youtube. This one pales in comparison.
The original Prophet 10 was a completely different synth. This new one is a 10 voice Prophet 5. The old one was more like two Prophet 5s in one huge case with dual keyboards
