Life altering surgery. I should've gotten it done 20 years ago. When my splints were removed today, it was's the first time I ever remember breathing correctly through my nostrils.. Even smells are so much stronger. It is a life changer, I'm relearning to breath because I'm taking in too much air now lol.
Got it done on 10th with septoplasty n fess and i travelled on 30th . Before travel it was all good however after travel feels like there is again some swelling in turbinates whenever i sleep to one side the side which i am sleepin on gets blocked and when i switch side again same thing happens So not sure whats causing this but m gonna visit doc again
Got my splints taken out today after a week of recovering from a septoplasty & turbinate reduction. I can finally breathe like a real person after 6 years. Incredibly pleased with how everything turned out for me.
On the topic of ENS: the turbinates sense air and relay that sensation to your brain with a signal that travels through nerves. If those nerves are damaged partially or fully, the signal will become distorted or blocked. That's why even "safe" procedures like radiofrequency can result in ens symptoms. To completely eliminate the risk, a surgeon would have to map your individual nerve structure and use millimeter precision to avoid those areas. Now, just think of the bar that has been set for ENTs today. There is zero thought given to what actually causes this condition and many surgeons just pick whichever technique suits their fancy. They call it a "complication" the same way you might say your dog peeing on the carpet is a complication. No effort to understand what causes it and reluctance to even bring it up. To make matters worse, doctors are incentivized to downplay the risks as much as possible creating a predatory relationship between doctor and patient. In summary, the turbinates are relatively small and the "tolerance of precision" required to operate on them is not yet fully understood.
Well said. Doctors today particularly ent are not getting at the root cause. Just like other dieasses. Makes you wonder if they have credibility just because of a license or a piece of paper
@@relentlessliving5588 I've been told the same thing by doctors. They say it's people being "ocd" or it was only a risk when they used to remove the whole thing. If you really don't want to go through with it then don't sign off on the procedure on the release form. Turbinates grow and shrink in response to allergies and other environmental factors. People said their's grew back after getting them reduced. My doc said it would only help a little bit to get them reduced so it's not super important. At the end of the day you gotta make the choice for yourself. There's no easy answer.
@@relentlessliving5588 If it's not an open septoplasty then they don't need to mess with them at all. I'd say research some more if you're that worried. As long as your doctor is reputable then they should be able to take care of you. Good luck.
Sorry folks, this is inaccurate. While I applaud the doctor for including Empty Nose Syndrome - most dont - it is simply not true that total turbinectomy is the only turbinate procedure that causes ENS. Any alteration to the turbinates that alters airflow and/or damages the nerves can result in ENS. I have suffered from ENS for 20 years. I was able to power through until 2014 when I was teaching college classes. I began to suffocate in class and within months I was bedridden with severe ENS and POTS, an Autonomic Nervous System condition also resulting from faulty surgery. Over 7 years I have spent over $20K to restore the health of my turbinates and I am slowly recovering. It is important that people research this devastating condition and be fully aware of the actual risks involved.
I don’t think they explain ENS occurence accordingly , from what i’ve read total turbinectomy have 20% chance to cause ENS symptoms , partial 1 in 100 chance , and other submucosal reductions have around 1/750 - 1/1000 , this comes from dr Nayak , so yeah there’s still a risk with submucosal sparing techniques but they dont explain it like this .... , they say you only get ENS from no turbinates , then how is it rare if there wont be any total turbinates resections? There shouldn’t be any case.... They still trying to attract people into doing this operation but they’re forced to say about ENS because a lot of people learned bout it ...
@@Grantcohnsson I began treatment with ACell/PRP injections in Feb 2015. It is very slow and very expensive but I am grateful to breathe again. I also regained my ability to warm and humidify inspired air, and the treatments improved my POTS though I still have it and am continuing treatment to see if we can improve it further.
@@keyanno4111 Well, I think that the U.S. doctors who see ENS patients from all over the world know that the prevalence is much higher. However most ENT’s rely on the research , and we just haven’t had the research interest until recently. In fact, 2021 has seen a boon of interest in ENS so ENTS will benefit from reading about these additional cases. I was speaking recently with a neurologist who told me that his team is seeking grants to research possible nerve damage in the Inferior Turbinates. And there is a recent histological study showing significant damage to sensory nerves and tissue and significant scarring in the IT’s of ENS patients versus controls. So, though research is slow to surface, it seems we can look forward to more of these cases; ablation, outfracture, cautery, being added to plausible causes of ENS.
I got an appointment for turbinate reduction tomorrow morning. I am so happy I happened to read about ENS today (never heard of it before). After reading the crazy amount of comments on this video but also other videos of people suffering from ENS, there is no way Im going through with it. I wish everyone with ENS all the best, it sounds horrible. Edit and TLDR of the comments: I ended up getting the turbinate coblation after getting a different ENT doctor who could better explain why I shouldnt be worried. Really happy about being able to breathe again haha
@@natedizzle2321 I explained my worries to the ENT doctor and she said thats sth that doesnt happen anymore with the new technology of today. I still didnt go through with it tho cause the ENS info was so new to me at the time. Im still not sure if I wanna do it or not tbh
@@decoyhardstyle I just had septoplasty with turbinate reduction this morning. I don’t feel the ens thing , just a very dry mouth and throat and the normal bleeding when i bend head down. This should go away after a couple of days. Doc said I had lots of junk in my sinuses that he cleaned out and will greatly improve my breathing. I will keep this updated as I recover👍
@@krispeterson1021 Hey, thanks for the follow up - that’s my account above too. Thrilled I had the surgery! I can breathe!!! I’m sleeping way better too now. It was completely worth it for me. I’m not waking up all full of congestion and mucus. Things drain so much better. It’s hard to describe, but I get so much more air in each of my breaths. I’m so glad I opted for this surgery. It was a game changer for me and I’m just five weeks out and it’s a new life of clear breathing!
If you have a left maxillary sinus completely filled with staph infected mucus and pus you tend to see the pros. But EVERY doctor on RU-vid greatly underestimates the incredible degree of pain this procedure involves.
yep.i have constant pain in cartilage around top of my nose and in ethmoid area.and in my septum.i did not have any pain before my turbinate reduction and septoplasty.the surgery caused my pain and my ens.
What you described is exactly what I had, an infected sinus with lots of drainage from left maxillary unbeknownst to me before surgery. However, there was very little pain afterwards for me. I didn’t even use most of the pain meds prescribed to me, only a couple on day of surgery. After that the only pain I felt was having a sore throat for a couple days. My advise; get this done by an experienced ENT surgeon, not a plastic surgeon who often hack up your nose and turbinates
@@steve_ens this is so true. The pain is unreal and the level of discomfort feels like a constant 10. Yes, the experience will be different for different people, but they should selling this like some kinda Disney dream ticket
I had Septoplasty and Turbinate reduction done a few years back, and here is what i learned doing tons of research prior and even after! Please do your research, people!!! There are lots of ways to reduce your turbinates and lots of doctors, but the two most important aspects to keep in mind if moving forward with this surgery are: 1) MUST definitely find a doctor that is board certified, reviews are positive and most importantly, that he or she has enough experience with TURBINATE Reduction. 2) ANY doctor like the one you see on this video using the technique of actually REMOVING parts of the turbinates is a MAYOR red flag! Your turbinates should NEVER be cut off, period! They can be shrunk, and even when that happens, make sure it is done to the submucosa part of the turbinate and NEVER the mucosa, which is on the surface.
i got ENS from nerve damage from RF surgery supposedly, my surgeon was very very experienced and good at his job - but he lied to me- he said NO RISK - BUT THERE WAS HUGE RISK. I SUFFER 247
I’m so sorry. :(. My surgeon cauterized my turbinates to death. Took me over $24K to breathe and function again. I cannot believe these doctors get away with this.
Love how these MD’s say “very rarely” patients get ENS. After much research, many people have ENS. Wish doctors would be honest. None of the 3 ENT’s I’ve been to have mentioned ENS as a possible issue.
What I hate most about my turbinate reduction is the dryness. My nose never fellt the same after the surgery. But I think fixing the deviate septum can often improve the breathing like it did for me
Turbinates are an essential organs and surgery should only be considered for life threatening reasons. Change to anti inflammatory diet, invest in hepa filters/change filters in the home or auto, get rid of toxic chemicals in the home, furniture with formaldehyde, get rid of hidden mold, check for hormonal imbalances/gut health. You only get one nose in your lifetime. Once something goes wrong Ents have no way of reversing severe damages that aren't thoroughly discussed. No method no matter how conservative can gaurentee that import nerves, tissue, or blood vessels will heal correctly.
So what the hell is somebody like me suppose to do? I already breathe through my mouth 24/7. My nose is completely and always blocked. Haven’t slept in years, & u people are telling me ens is worse? How??? How can a surgery like this not help me. 😠
@@PersianHistorian I can breathe through my nose perfectly now. It’s incredible. Recovery was harder than expected (1 month, not 1 week), but it’s been life changing.
@@WillC That sound's awesome, considering all the horrific reports of people developing ENS. I'm also eager to engage in this life-changing experience. Can you describe exactly how the recovery went, what challenges you faced and what advise you can give?
Had my Septoplasty and Turbinate reduction done yesterday.. I have no pain and slight swelling. The worst part has been the stuffiness and cleaning up the discharge.(like you have with a sinus infection) I have the splints in, no discomfort or pain..Today I feel fine, still dripping a little.. For the best success and lowest risk of ENS/exterior membrane damage to the Turbinates have the microdebrider procedure done, the cauterize/radiowave methods have a history of issues (have a complete understanding of each method)...I don't regret having it done..Do your research on the Surgeon and the way they reduce the Turbinates and you'll have success ..:)
@@mattkiebach6506 well my dr is telling me i need a turbinate reduction as well which is why im freaking out. How did u discover u got ENS? Who performed ur procedure? Where? Has there been any follow ups?
@@missyperry9510 I was never told by a highly experienced ENT about the severe side effects that could occured. I went a long with surgery and had a very minimally invasive turbinate and septoplasty surgery and now living a nightmare. Drs can't do anything to reverse the damages caused and also has led to other serious health problems aside from my nose that is litteraly not functional any anymore and wasting away. Not commonly discussed either but unessary septoplasties are on the rise and can also cause damages to important nerves and tissue that is important for normal nasal function. ENT industry is all about making money off of these procedures that have no independent research or strict oversight. When things go wrong they do not record each case as they should be and gaslight patients. Treat the root cause of your symptoms and avoid being around dust, toxic chemicals/environment. Eliminate foods/drinks that can trigger inflammation, ect.. anything but surgery unless it is completely life threatening.
angela sturm has not replied to one comment on here same as most of all the other ents utube videos talking about turbinate reductions.she probably dosnt even read the comments.ents should mention that empty nose syndrome is a risk of middle or inferior turbinate reduction
This is crazy. I’ve had turbinate reduction with local anesthesia only and felt 0 pain. The use of the microdebrider does not remove the outer layer and has very long lasting results.
Thank you I rather take the advice of professionals with experience not these people on RU-vid spreading conspiracy bs because they didn't do their research on the doctors they chose who didn't try to rule out everything else first.
@2:27 my doctor did not do this. Dr Stanley Voight of Alexandria VA did not discuss anything but a deviated nasal semptum. He made NO mention of enlarged turbinates. No discussion at all was had. I only knew he did that because on the surgery ppw it listed two surgeries performed. I am very angry he did the turbinate reduction surgery without my consent, authorization, or discussion. He only said I had a deviated nasal semptum and that's it.
An ent said that my inferior turbinates where reduced by about 30%and i can see myself with my endoscope that the anterior and middle and posterior parts of my inferior turbinates where reduced between 25 to 30% guess what .I suffer badly 24/7 with all the awfull empty nose syndrome symptoms.it ruined my life.and my turbinate reduction and septoplasty was done at a top hospital in Bristol UK.ens is not rare and over 80% that suffer with ens on ens Facebook groups have only had between 30% and less %of their inferior turbinates reduced.so on one USA ens fb group there is just over 3500 members and rapidly rising .I was on that group for 2 years so I do know.also on other ens group ens suffers are joining every day.one ent in parma italy said my nose is a mess inside and my inferior turbinates are scarred.2 or 3 ents I saw said my turbinate scarring is normal but her in the video said when turbinates heal so that's a contradiction.my inferior turbinates and septum have been scarred for 10 years !.also my septoplasty has caused me septum pain for 10 years.
These doctors are full of shit ! I just went to see my ENT and of course they said your septum is a little bit deviated, we need to do all this slashing and reducing turbinate stuff, and I said hell no ! I tried to tell him there’s something wrong with my throat and my eardrum hurts he dismissed that ! he was only interested in getting that $7000 to jack up my nose
So what should I do if I can barley breathe out either of my nostrils? My doctor said the 2 procedures can't cause ens. I wonder if I should get a second opinion
Before going once check your 1)tongue posture, 2)mis aligned teeth,and 3) your neck position If all three are ok then It caused by allergy First fix all the above problems Allergy cannot be fixed by Western medicine it only be fixed by increasing immunity Take vitamin c zinc tablets and increase water intake see the results and procced forward Homeopathy
@@sambell385 im glad you have done your research and you dont trust doctors so easily!! A lack of people knowledge is the leading problem to get ens! (i dont suffer from ens by the way) It aint our fault though! We have been conditioned to think that doctors are always right.. but the more you learn the better you can figure out what is best for you! Proper knowledge for your problem can save your life
@@jkvideos9938 I quote the word conditioned all the time! I thought I was only one that use that word ! But in today society that word teeters on brainwashed/deceived
had mine done 3 weeks ago, still healing....been dealing with this for 30 years. right now cold air hurts like crazy....being in winter and all. but i know it will get better
Im doing the ballon treatment.But no turbinate reductions of any kind. Ive reserched them all. In the next few weeks. Im also moving from location that started my not being able to breath good.
@@relentlessliving5588 Very unlikely, make sure you're getting reductions through submucosal techniques that don't sacrifice mucosa. Its always a risk, especially if the surgeon is not skilled.
@Nathan my symptoms are not being able to breathe through my nose. I'd take a guess and say it's like 15% maximum through each nostril. They took a cat scan of my nose and there was no limotoids or whatever there called. My septum is messed up. I do have allergies but it's mainly early summer time. I can't sleep good at all. I'd say my main symptoms is anxiety and heart rate. I'm almost 99% it's from the shitty sleep patterns. I'll catch myself during the day holding my breathe and not even meaning to! The exact procedure there doing is. Nasal septal revision and sub mucosal resection of turbinates.
Had this surgery done 2 days ago at the time I post this. Still have the 2 metal splints inside my nostrils. Im suppose to have the splints removed in 3 days. The goal is to breathe better soon.
My son suffers from ENS. For all of you who say it is rare, you have no idea what you are talking about. ENTs claim it is rare only because they are only interested in making money off the surgeries.
@@abaddon696-f3k Not fear mongering. It's a patients and families worst nightmare. Your life and health will slowly decline as the years pass. Doctors fail to tell the severe side effects, let alone explain how they do not offer you any help and dismiss you without any care to make things right. Turbinates are more complex and do more for your breathing and nervous system then what the average dr. would tell you.
First off, if you have a mild deviated septum then there's no urgency to operate on the septum and secondly, even if you have a severe deviated setpum accompanied by inferior turbinates hypertrophy the surgery's side effects (empty nose syndrome) far outweighs the benefits of having a more "open" breathing.
They tell me I have a deviated septum but I think it’s only slightly I have some sinus aches, but I’ve done a lot of reading and videos I think cutting and Messing round in my nose and end up having chronic dry nose and things after the surgery ,I don’t feel it’s worth it to do this I’ve dealt with this for 55 years and it’s not extremely bad especially after watching these videos, I think I will just put up with what little discomfort i have ,I also had them do a microwave cauterization type process on my turbinate many years ago basically to burn it down and they grew back to normal size
@@sambell385 bro you're lucky that yours grew back although i don't think they grow back at all plus the nerve damage that's already been done. But what if i told you i never had a a sinus problem or breathing problem wouldn't that make you wanna kill that mofo?
@@theuncanspan Well I’m assuming it grow back because when I look in there I can still see it fat and swollen with only a little narrow breathing path, I found the terminology it would be that radio frequency or microwave frequency wand thing that they stuck in there to reduce it , but I know better than to let those fools cut on me
Dont di a turbinate reduction. Im 5 months post septorhinoplasty and ENS was explained to me that it only happens when they are removed. Mine were not, but they were reduced with a microdebrider and has a removal of concha bulls. Have chronic dry nose and throat, and cold air all the time even with nasal rinses and humidifier. I am terrified of long term problems,
My surgery happened Dec 7, and it’s now Dec 29th and my nose isn’t any better, my sinus on my upper forehead has a bulge in it and it hurts every day. My eyes hurt and I have tinnitus in my ears and their ringing really loud, and I feel oxygen deprived as my heart can’t keep up. I can’t focus at all. My inner nose hurts all the time. The best time for me is when I’m dead asleep cause I can’t feel anything on how fucked up I feel. I wish I never had this surgery done! Bad choice, never do this surgery it’s gets only worse not better and your nose feels fucked up as well as your face! Your face never feels the same way again after the surgery. This surgery I did is going to fuck my life up for good and it to late now for me! Don’t do this surgery it could save your life! I’m about to think suicide is my best bet out of this fucking hell I ignorantly choose!
I just had this surgery this morning and I can see a difference. it's likely something happened during the healing process, or the doctor was careless with you. if there is a bulging in your forehead that seems likely it was an error in their part during surgery. I would call the ENT office you went to or the doctor that performed the surgery. You also mentioned that you can't focus and if that occurred after the surgery and was not a problem before then all the more reason to call. Maybe they could give you some insight on what is going on. wouldn't want you to die bc of doctor's negligence.
Wondering how you are doing? I'm on day 5 of surgery. Dr said 2-3 days recovery! Now says 2-3 weeks. Everything I've read says full recovery could be 6+months. I hope you are fully recovered by now & Feeling better.
No surgeon would say so. Steroid sprays or medicated rinses over a few months should do it as long as your allergies are well managed. Changing your environment and/or diet would also help (ie. Live away from allergies, by the beach, etc) But a turbinate reduction would ideally reduce your reliance on sprays
Many years of sleeping on heighten pillows or double pillows with same side sleeping cause for middle portion devietion of nose septum , if anyone sleeping on without pillows for 1 year with opposite side it would be straight , and many years sleeping on very low height pillow cause for hump on the septum , 4 inch heighten pillow is suitable for normal people..and tubinates hypertrophy also links with nose septum position ,it it straight then turbinates are normal in size ..
I have allergy rhinitis, deviated septum and swollen turbinates. And it develops anxiety cause i can't sleep. I want to undergo to that operations but I'm afraid of ENS. And i dont know how much it cost here in Philippines.
I am having lot of pressure and headache in left temporal,parietal,occipetal region 24/7. i went through septoplasty amd inferior turbinate resection surgery 15 days ago
I just ran across another video called HOW TO REDUCE YOUR TURBINATES WITHOUT SURGERY, here on RU-vid. It's a series of "massages" I just tried it for the first time, and my nasal passage do feel clearer. Don't know if doing this will"reduce" the turbinates, but it may offer some comfort. I felt silly doing it Won't exercise but I will exercise my nose. Lol! Just hope my husband doesn't walk in on me doing it! Lol!
@@tigre9271 that's cool, the doctor did not tell me she was gonna reduce my turbinates for the septoplasty after hours of research I found out the turbinates is what causes the ENS. The doctor said reduction won't cause ENS and it will be nearly impossible to happen but nah I am good lol
The reason the turbinates enlarge is because they are compensating for the deviated septum. Removing them seems to be an unnecessary procedure which is now common practice in the ENT community. Turbinates are highly complex nervous structures and messing with them is borderline malpractice.
@@marklewis9061 Don't disagree with you man. The American medical system is very predatory. You have to be very careful because, unfortunately, the doctors don't want to rock this sick boat.
@@savylynneingle watch the RU-vid video “Scott gaffers story” and you’ll learn all about it. I had the same surgery and my life is completely destroyed. The condition is worse than cancer.
@@savylynneingle From my research, the fixing of the actual deviated septum is not the problem, it is when they reduce the size of the turbinates. Request/demand they do not mess with the turbinates. Please let me know what happens.
After surgery my nose shape has change. I have a dent right in the middle of it 😢. I don't know it will be back to normal again. Please let me know if anyone have the same my problem.🙏
May I request you please only perform turbinate tissue ablation and/or out fracturing technique, as both of these have never showed any clinical evidence of ENS. Remember ENS is an almost impossible to treat condition. Thank you Doctor.
I had this surgery and the Dr has removed completely the Turbinates and now I am breathing too much air without any filters. I can't sleep at night and wake up every day with a headache and tired. I am suffering extremely Is it possible to rebuild those Turbinates ? Please share your thoughts
@@sunnyd6019 bro please reply me i never had surgery on my nose last year November month i suffer from blocked nose doctor prescribed me nasal spray i use nasal spray only 1 week and i lost my air sensation i don't what happen with me my life is hell now..please tell me what happen with me can ens happen without surgey and i consult one with a doctor he is in Mumbai Pardeep mahajan he says my mucous is dry in nose...i tired everything but not relief....he offers me stemcells therapy what should I do
@@akshaythakur9702 You cannot get ENS from a spray, most likely you have swollen turbinates and or an underlying allergy causing inflammation. See you Dr. and have them look into your nose, this is the only way you will get a correct answer I have no way of knowing only passing info to help. Best advice is to see a good dr. and have them look at you to help. In the mean time use salt water rinse in nose 3-4x a day to hydrate your sinus then see someone for professional help, good luck.
@@akshaythakur9702 how do you spry the medicine in your nose ? Most likely you are doing it wrong which may cause the medicine to go other areas in your nose
I have enlarged turbinates in my left nostril. And I notice the left side of my nostril has a tiny convexity and my right nostril (with normal turbinates) has a slightly concavity. This very slight asymmetry is noticeable only to me. My question is what are the chances if I have turbinates surgery, that it would cause my convex nostril to sink in and match my right concave nostril? Ever have a patient see a difference afterwards? I'm also scared of empty nose syndrome, what are some of the precautions I should take to find the right doctor. A specific ENT doctor or a nasal plastic surgeon?
Hey,I hope that you are still Okay who have gone through the surgery. I'm Now 25 years old,and I've been suffering from Nasal Obstruction (Heavily Breathing problem) due to allergic Rhinitis Since 2010! I almost spent my childhood and whole teenage life horribly. Finally after 12 years i had the surgery 9 days ago! Yes,i feel better,but my nose is still congested. Still my air flows are obstructed. Though,My doctor said that i'll feel better after 1 months! Yet,i feel terrified as i said earlier that i spent my Childhood and teenage life having breathing problem that caused my quality of life go down! I sometimes feel like i've never realized how blessed to have great Nasal airflow. I never breath so smoothly in my life. Still,i'm in trauma as after 9 days of surgery my Nose is still congested! Will it be okay after 4-5 weeks? Will i be able to take fresh air like Normal people?
@@vizini2682 Yes Very much improved. And i'm free like a bird. Though i still have huge cough because of Allergy. But it doesn't give me pain anymore life before!
@@ClickCrafters Thanks for responding. I'm having polyps removed in a few weeks but the surgeon is also doing turbinate reduction and reading some comments on this and other videos has me a little concerned.
Do not get turbinate reduction!! Turbinate have to do with your allergies and sinuses so it’s best to go to a allergist expect if your turbinates are not really permanent enlarged!!! Do not let a ENT touch your turbinate they are part of a nerve system and if you do that you may end up with ENS that is real no I didn’t have that done but I looked it up and yes I was going to get the surgery until I start digging deeper into it YOUR TURBINATE ARE ENLARGED BECAUSE OF ALLERGIES ITS BEST TO GO SEE ALLERGIST FIRST AND GET YOUR ALLERGY TEST DONE BEFORE YOU GO GET THIS SURGERY
Preach! So many natural solutions that people have no idea about, let alone experiment with, but the first thing they want to try is irreversible surgery that may have life altering consequences. The fact that your turbinates sometimes decrease in size is definitely a sign that allergies or something is causing it to get inflamed, maybe you might have some sort of immunodeficiency! Maybe you have a microbiome issue and you need to shove some kimchi up your nose. There's so many different causes and treatments to experiment with.
@@invictuz4803 when I brought it up to my pcp she had a look on her face as if I was dumb by asking them how did they feel about the turbinate reduction , she told me I never heard of that till I told her and she looked up and was like uhhh nooo … she said now if your nose was broken and you could not breathe then possibly for the nose septum part but the reduction no
I got punched in the nose which caused one nostril to be hard to breathe from. Felt like the bone inside my nose was sticking more to the closed nostril. I just got turbinate reduction procedure done the other day, was this the incorrect procedure? I also feel as if my nostrils appearance look different. Could this be the case ??
Interesting , so i hear that the turbinate can still swell up after reduction, my question is , since some of the erectile tissue has been removed will it ever swell up to the same degree as pre op ? And what will happen if the inflammation is no longer present and the turbinate hypertrophy will go down on its own , will it be smaller than normal ? Or it will adjust by itself to the normal healthy size. Thanks
I had a turbinate reduction process done on me way back in the 90s they use microwave cauterization tool to basically burn it down but it grew back to normal size
my inferior turbinates and middle turbinates has stayed the same size comparing them on my 2012 ct scan and 2020 ct scan.and they are still scarred but her in video said the scarring is supposed to heal
I need the reduction but looking at other options. $4000 is a lot of money and if something goes wrong you cant fix it. Has anyone found other options?
Say no to turbinate reduction surgeries. It is senseless to do tjese surgeries no matter how experienced lr conservative the procedure is. The medical field is corrupt and a vast majority of drs do not reporting injuries caused by turbinate reduction.
*Every body for God sake clear my doubt, everyone of you having problem of mucus forming in the same nostril in which you have enlarged turbinate or not???*
I mean. I can barely breathe as it is. Like it’s always blocked no matter what. Would turbinate reduction be better for me? Edit: when I try to breathe i feel like I’m suffocating but there is nothing blocking it
Hi I'm thirteen years old and have had trouble breathing my entire life, I've had my tonsils removed once, and my adnoids removed twice. I am still having difficulty breathing and my ENT has suggested that I get a septoplasty and a turbinate reduction. I'm not really scared about the surgery, but terrified about the recovery. At the same time, I'm an optional competitive gymnast, and breathing I important. Can you make a video about the recovery so I can get a better idea of what to expect?
Sometimes the problem may not be in it may in our habits note in a dairy everything what you eating, what you are doing,in what weather you are going what is irritating you . Get an allergy test done eliminate them
Lydia, please try other solutions before doing surgery, as there are one too many risks involved. I’m dealing with swollen turbines myself, but as I’ve noticed, the size of the swelling changes depending on my diet, air quality, allergens, nasal sprays help and another huge help that I swear by; “Tea Tree Oil”. Just a drop on a q-tip before I go to bed I rub it inside my nostrils and it works bringing the swelling down every time!
Do NOT do this. If you have some sort of breathing issue it is likely that problems with your nose are a SYMPTOM not the cause of your breathing difficulties. UARS and OSA are found in people with breathing difficulties. The most effective treatments for breathing difficulties ATM are double jaw surgery, bone-borne palatal expansion (i.e. MSE) and assisted breathing machines (like CPAP, BiPAP, obviously these only help at night). If you have a bump in your nose, a narrow palette and/or a narrow/recessed jaw, they may be the root cause of your breathing difficulties. This lady herself looks to have these issues. I do not suggest septoplasty because it is a cover up treatment that may lead only to temporary improvement in your condition.
Im a 17 year old male and have the things you included, nose bump, narrow palate, downward jaw, and I found have swollen turbinates when I went to the doctor a few weeks ago. They suggested the turbinate reduction procedure and I've been considering it cause I have problems with nasal breathing and want to try and fix my recessed jaw etc. So you're saying its not really worth it and double jaw surgery is a better go to? Thanks
@@MattDrivas I personally think that most of the nasal procedures aren't very good because they don't fix the underlying issue. You need to find out the reasons why you can't breathe and then make sure you fix that i.e. do you have small nasal passages, small airway, deviated septum etc.? I recommended looking at Jaw Hacks RU-vid channel for some decent insights and you can learn about methods like MSE that can help majorly. For me personally, I have similar issues to you, I am early 20s, but I suspect that even if a septoplasty or similar surgery improved my breathing dramatically, I would still develop sleep apnea 10-20 years later on due to the recessed jaw / smaller airway component. It sucks bad being in this position so you need to decide what extent you want to go; for me, I will most likely get some sort of palatal expansion (MSE or EASE device) AND double jaw surgery, I'm not risking dealing with this shit ever again. BTW have a look at r/UARS and join the discord cause it'll help you learn much more and a good place to explore questions. Sorry you have to go through this bro, but I wish the best for you! You are only 17, you have so much life to live. I wish I'd done something about this sooner.
@@nikos4641 I have a deviated septum, internal valve collapse and enlarged turbinates. I want to get the first 2 fixed but leave the 3rd alone because of ens. In theory, if I'm able to breathe through my nose then that would allow my tongue to remain up against my palate, acting as a natural MSE remedy. IN THEORY. I get your concerns but if someone was born with a deviated septum then that's their underlying condition and surgery is really the only option, right?
Luckytime tongue against palette is just part of the equation. There’s many factors to breathing effectively and I don’t think science quite understands how it all works yet
@@nataliyachepurnova29 You could end up being susceptible, It would also effect the amount of dust particles etc in general, i would not have it done unless you really have to.
From what I gathered purely from the comments (you’ve been warned) is that the turbinate reduction is unnecessary and has caused lots of harm. The septoplasty alone is beneficial and much less prone to ENS
I had my septoplasty and turbinoplasty and bilateral endoscopic sinus surgery but even after 2 weeks of my surgery I am unable to breathe properly in one of my nostrils can you tell how long does it take to breathe properly
I have a Septoplasty surgery coming up on thursday and the closer it gets the more stressed I get... What if I lose my sense of smell... My friend had Septoplasty years ago and somehow he ended up losing his vision. My doctor says he needs to remove a mass in my nose, straighten my deviated septum and go into my sinuses.. I'm not looking forward to this and I am getting severely stressed... T_T
Don't be stressed! I had a septoplasty done a month ago and I had alot of anxiety. I feel so much better now and I don't have reoccurring sinus infections anymore! Best decision ever! If you have any questions questions ask your ent so you can have reassurance. Besf of luck!
@@murmur4746 hey. I want to get this surgery done because I literally can’t breathe at all. Whats the best method i should ask for reducing my turbinates?
@@sinnoboy0000 Definitely a septoplasty and turbinate reduction. Best to get a referral to see a ent in your area from your primary care provider. It's been eight months since I have mine done and I can breathe so much better! It's definitely worth it! Good luck!
I knew a young lady who was driven insane from empty nose syndrome after nose surgery and committed suicide from it. She had no turbinates and the sensation was unbearable.
Day 5 of surgery. Can't breathe smell, taste. Just ghe thought of nit being able to smell or taste again is unbearable. The thought of ENT is frightening. I wouldn't be able to tolerate it.
Cons: Your Turbinates will dry out over time after cutting them, nerves will die and continue to die after resulting in loss of sensation of airflow. Then you will feel sick and miserable for life and your ENT will say sorry busy please see specialist or someone else and your left holding bag of sickness for life. How many of you got reduction surgery and were told about dryness of nose and how it actually continues and worsens over time making you sick. Sure 1-3 years may feel super, then atrophy sets in and your miserable. Turbinates shrink with age, when you remove 40% now just imagine since in 30 years, lol bone dry and worthless they are and thats the facts kids.
I’ve read most of these comments on this video, and I gotta say I agree with all your comments. My surgery is booked for this Friday and after all the research and after carful consideration Im gonna have to kindly decline to have this procedure. As my deviation is only mild to the right side and my left side is completely fine so when they told me they will be also doing a turbinate reduction after we only agreed to do the septoplasty after the ct scans where viewed, then 10 days before the procedure I get told they gonna do the turbinates and instantly red flags 🚩 when off and I started researching and came across and learned more about ens and my god my heart goes out to all suffering around the globe with this horrible disease and to know that it’s happening from the people who are meant to treat and cure your diseases had me absolutely livid.
@@alexrizzo7485 The fact that they just threw in turbinate reduction at the same time as another surgery makes me think that they see you as just another patient to get rid off as quick as possible in a single surgery. Like throwing things at a wall and seeing what sticks. That together with how life altering the risks associated with turbinate reduction are makes me want to stay far away from any sort of nasal surgery as the industry is clearly crazy. This isn't surprising considering how many people die from misdiagnosis or mistreatments from doctors. You made the right chance in postponing your surgery because you can always choose surgery in the future, but you can never come back from it. Have you exhausted every single alternative? Starting with the obvious: allergy medication, nasal steroid sprays, daily sinus irrigation, avoiding food allergies or any pro-inflammatory foods, eating healthy (antioxidants), sleeping more, cleaning the air you breath (air purifier, replacing furnace filter, moving away from carpets or pets, etc.)? There's even studies, clinics and doctors saying that L.Sakei bacteria from Kim Chi can help with reducing sinus inflammation. If you haven't heard of this Kim Chi solution, I'm not surprised but think of how many other natural solutions you haven't tried. Surely, there has to be something causing your turbinate/sinus to be inflamed. It's not going to cure your issue, but there has to be something that can improve it and doctors/surgeons are in no position to tell us how to fix our own body as every individual is unique and has different genes that cause different issues. I would completely uproot my life, move to a different city and change my diet completely to fix this issue before considering surgery. Having said that, have you also considered minimally invasive procedures? I've heard that Balloon Sinuplasty is an example but make sure to do your own research.
You’re right. My life was destroyed by sinus surgery, and these surgeons have so much malpractice insurance you just can’t win a case. They took our lives and walked away. :(
@@tigre9271 they reduced it but its extremely damaged the nerves why i know is because my nose is thinner and i have alot of numbness and extreme pain im face firehead my face even chaged from the outiside my nose to i can barely walk i can go nowhere because everwhere i go the air us to dry ir to hot then my nose dry up so much that i don't feel anything anymore and my head hurts so much i now can only walk for couple of meters anymore
I just had a septoplasty surgery yesterday ,I really hope I can breathe again and sleep without waking up every 2 hrs .I hope I dont have anymore headaches .
I think one of my turbinates is causing slight asymmetry. My left nostril has the enlarged turbinate. You can see it if you look at the side of my nose. The side of the affected nostril has a slight convex feel and look. My non affected nostril has a slight concave look and feel. It is very slight, but I was wondering, if I got my turbinate reduced, what are the chances that, the Ala will transition to being concave like the other side. It would be a bonus to fix my asymmetry as well as my breathing and runny nose.
Don't know if I was dupped but my only problem was a headache every two weeks that lasts a day or two. Don't know exactly what he did but had an ENT did some stuff to my nose last week and recovering this week.
@@oneseeker2 A nurse assistant did a cat scan and went over it with me telling me it was deviated which I knew. She told me I had a smaller opening for breathing which I've always noticed and in one of the upper sinus areas, some inflammation. She had gone momentarily to talk with the doc but I didn't see him before the procedure. The doc was nice and I've seen him for two follow ups since. The breathing on the left side is still the same. I probably shouldn't have let them talk me into it but I'm healing well since the procedure 12 or so days ago. I've only had a few sinus infections in my life and none for at least 14 years. Just the headaches every 2 weeks.
@@yorocco1 I asked my doctor how many % lower turbinates were removed and he said you can't quantify it like that. I don't know of it's a new technique or what but he said they actually try to not remove any of it. They remove some of the bone from inside and break the rest and bend it out of the way and leave the mucosa.
Hey folks. I’m not saying ENS isn’t a thing or that we should blindly trust doctors, but getting medical advice from RU-vid comments is really not so smart. Maybe get some info to talk to a doctor about, but if you trust RU-vid comments more than a doctor that’s a real problem.
@@arielllerena8355 Even with a 0.2% chance, I wouldn't gamble with my life like that considering the horror stories of ENS victims. There's too many alternatives to try before people consider potentially life altering surgery.
