PSA has you estimate the cards value before submission and essentially charges you based on how well the card grades. So this creates an interesting conundrum lmfao 😂
The half grades are where the real money is. PSA gives so few half grades but for this card you are much better off with a mid grade of a .5 then the grade above it
Very interesting. I don't know what to make of it. That is true though. Fewer 1's and 2's then 9's and 10's. I think will just keep mine ungraded. And if it ever comes to selling, I'll put in the description PSA 10? ....or PSA 1!?
I was similarly perplexed by this video of the recent sales of 1984 Topps. Couldn't figure out why Lee Tunnell's card was outearning Brett's or Henderson's. Somebody clued me in to the fact that there were fewer PSA 10's of Tunnell than the other two HOFers. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-B8gv9AZbR9c.html
They most definitely will. In a weird sense of irony, this might be what the 1989 UD Griffey needs in order for higher grades to become coveted again. When a good majority of them are damaged, the higher grades will be even more desirable. I still own some cards, but thankfully, they're all too rare to worry about this mess!
It's called, 'collecting the rainbow'... I'm doing this with a few 1970s cards, which is probably a lot easier than pursuing 1989 Upper Deck because the cardstock for 1970s Topps cards is so cheap...
Pretty cool. That’s actually a very possible goal to attain (Griffey Graded Range). I should get my single copy graded. But, I’m into Yogi right now, though, and that would be really $$$ in vintage. Can U imagine a 56T Berra in all ten grades?
That’s pretty crazy with that Griffey . I wonder if you could buy a bunch of raw Griffey for 45 bucks. Do the correct amount of damage and try to get your own grades one through 10. I remember buying this set the day came out. I don’t know if you saw it, but I did a Yaz show on the four Collector channel the other day
I actually have a few 1955 Topps All-American Jim Thorpe Cards graded (a couple Raw, 3.5, 4, 4.5, 5, and 7), but I think it'll be impossible to collect the 1-10 run.. but yes, I have considered it. Have you Mike?
You’d think people would realize that people don’t send in a poor card to be graded because they know it wouldn’t grade good , so there are plenty of 1 and 2’s .. doesn’t mean anything because of a pop report
This is very common in coin collecting. In fact PCGS, sister company to PSA but for coins, has a registry set for “lowball” coins. Grading sets are also a very common way of collecting.
I was, indeed, aware of this. In my opinion, it borders on ridiculous. People allowing pop reports to get in the way of common sense. Paying more for a poor copy than a mint copy? Whatever get your motor running, I guess.
I am doing the 1-10 in 91 Upper Deck SP#1 Jordan only need the PSA 2. Been working on it for 2 years. Still waiting for a 2 to pop up. But honestly for a 1 these people that just buy the 1 for could just buy a raw one and put a tack in it and then send it in and get a 1. Pinhole is almost always a 1. Does anyone have a PSA 2 91 Jordan SP!!! 😂
I noticed this just the other day. I got a pack pulled Griffey a few weeks ago that had a slight bend. I decided to get it graded just in case I got a 2, lol
I was aware some people collect player cards in a series of grades from like 1 to 9.5 or 10, but distribution value disparity from lesser quality items makes no sense to me. I saw some time ago that someone sold a Rickey Henderson rookie lot from something like an SGC 1 to an SGC 9.5 on Chris Sewall's channel, so there are people who are generally interested in collecting cards by the grade.
I was aware of this, but they sell high than I thought. This is a more popular thing in coin collecting because coins have all kind of qualifiers so you actually have to wear a coin out. It's popular with silver eagle collectors.
I bought a sapphire Rookie of my PC player because it was a PSA 5. I was curious why?. It had a creased corner probably from damage from the box they came in. 2017 I believe we're in a 600 count factory set type box. Not in packs yet.
I am guilty of doing this with the 77 Topps Carlton Fisk. It was my favorite card as a kid and still among my favorites today. Currently I have This card in 1977 Topps: 5 ungraded PSA - 3, 4, 5, 5.5 (Pop 1) 6, 7, 8, and 9 BVG 8.5, CSG 5.5, and 7.5 1977 O Pee Chee: 1 PSA 8 1977 Topps Venezuelan: 1 ungraded and 1 PSA 4 (Pop 3 none higher) 2002 Topps Archives 9 ungraded 2002 Topps Archive Reserve : 1 BVG 8.5 and 1 PSA 10 and 6 ungraded plus 1 ungraded with game used bat inserted When I write it out like this it looks like I may have a problem!
I don't get it. I can't say I've ever looked at one of my nice pc cards and thought to myself, " I wish I had 9 more of these that look way worse."Seems like you're just collecting labels at that point, but maybe that's not the case. Besides,whatever way that people choose to collect is the right way.
Imagine getting a Junior Upper Deck RC and ruining it in the hopes to get a PSA 1.5!! That's insane, but plausible and understandable in this hobby. When influencers declare 'collect what you life,' this is the epitome of that statement. Do what makes you happy and what you love.
I’m a Pete Rose super collector and I have done this for years with all major brand Pete Rose cards _including_ half grades. So for eg the ‘64 Topps I will have at least 16 of them with grades 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5 etc… all the way up to an 8.5. There is only one ten in existence and I don’t really fancy spending the money on the PSA 9 when it comes up, which is rare. For most other cards though it’s PSA 1-10 including half grades. I’m not sure if this is the correct terminology as I heard it long ago and nobody really uses it afaik but it’s called a rainbow of that card. Most people will only do it for specific cards like the Griffey Jr. or Henderson RC but I thought it would be awesome to have it for all of Rose’s cards. It gets especially tricky with half grades as there are far fewer so when they come up for auction you really have to grab them. (Though normally they don’t go for normal/low prices for a card that’s in between Grade A and Grade B, the Griffey phenomenon for those rainbow collectors is silly).
I thought about creating a set of 19 different damage levels on a common 70’s card, and having them graded, until I get them all 😂😎🥸 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3…lol
Really common in comics but super hard as there are 25 grades from .5 to 10 in comics. Some grades are easy like a .5 as that’s incomplete (just top a page out), but the difference between a 1.5 and a 1.8 is really tough.
This actually does happen with the Rickey Rookie - but to a lesser extent. As you mentioned, whole number grades are quite common, but low half number grades (PSA 1.5, 2.5, and to a lesser extent the 3.5) are less common. A savvy seller would let these go to auction instead of as a buy it now as they can have a little mini bidding war associated with them!
Yes, I've seen videos on people collecting 1 -10 PSA slabs of one player before. I have 4 raw KGJR '89 cards and don't know if I'll ever get them graded.
Yeah, i've heard of this. Someone mentioned this in one of Baseball card investor, dealer, collector's videos. And it was for the Ricky H. I thought it was interesting, not something i'd ever consider doing.
I haven’t heard of this, but I do know people that collect all 1’s or 2’s for a given set. It gets really challenging for some cards and as crazy as it sounds they do pay a premium for those low grades 😅
This proves hands down without question that people collect numbers and slabs now and not cards. But yes the collecting of every grade is old. There is one collectors who made me vomit because he collects Jackie Robinson’s in a 1 and will intentionally fame them so they grade a 1. The hobby is going to PSA shit.
I’ve heard of people collecting like this. Crazy!!! And then there are the people who buy only one player um hoard. There was a guy that collected a T206 I forgot the name. Drove the price up for awhile but then ended up selling all of them at once on a big auction house. Must have been desperate. He could have slowly sold and got top dollar . Who knows maybe the auction winner right now is doing just that
This is cool, I wonder what other cards it applies to? I have seen some commons from the early 70's go for like 10 grand in a 10 in the past few months. Goes to show you how important population is. I think the highest pops on the cards I have been collecting are around 40. I think there are 40 1972 Panini Pink Floyd cards from Italy and 40 1997 Eddie Vedder Ultra Figus cards from Argentina. The rest of my collection range from the 6-15 pop range. There are 6 72 McCartney panini's, 6 74 Page panini's, 10 1975 panini Hendrix's, 10 1975 Panini Zepplelins, 12 1972 Lennon panini, 14 1970 Bergmann- Verlag Hendrix's from Germany. There are 11 of Kurt Cobain's full face (two cards make one face) from 1995 Panini, 34 1972 Clapton Panini, Then I have some 1/2 Stones cards from Japan, a David Gilmore from Venezuela pop 6, 3 beastie boys cards, all 3 are pop 1. A one of one signed Roger waters card. I'm going to wait 10 or 15 years and try to sell it as a whole collection. I'm hoping between all these guys kicking the bucket, the card population, and more people getting into music cards by then that I can flip them for some profit.
I would take any of the cards I just listed over a 1989 Griffey 9, pop 31,000. I don't want stuff that people have seen a million times. Most people don't even know music cards from other countries even exist. To me it makes collecting a lot more fun when you are searching the globe for stuff. I just waited 2 years for a Hendrix card from Germany go for sale. That makes it so much more exciting when you get it. The reason being the population. I bought it for 130 bucks raw. I want 1000 or more if I sell it, that's what the two year wait is worth to me.
@@JunkWaxHero Thanks! Stop and check it out when you are in Cleveland. I bought my signed Roger Waters card around a year ago for 500. I just seen a sign McCartney and a signed Page card go for 1200. I'm hoping the prices keep rising. I think after someone dies the card value goes up as well. Hopefully in 10 or 15 years I can turn my 500 into 3k on that one, Who knows tho? You get a one of a kind collection that appeals a few hundred people and it could bring some coin. Plus there is a video of Roger waters not signing a baseball just because it's a baseball. So to have a card signed is pretty neat.
Absolutely aware that people do this. I guess you don't watch Pepino Man's videos...he's talked about this a few times. Intentionally creasing will most likely get you an "A." He said someone told him the best way to try and get a 1 is a pinhole. He tried it and I believe it worked for him.
I always joked that this Griffey was extremely rare with damage. I always said this would happen and it would contradict the grading scale, as well as cause even more major grading discrepancies. At this point, what's the need in grading your cards? When lower grades are outselling higher grades, whats the point. This is just going to be a major cause for concern. Are we going to work the grading scale in reverse and chase lower grades now? It's so ridiculous. It's reasons like this that make me feel glad I left sports cards when I did.
I appreciate this comment. Can I ask why you still watch hobby videos if you’re out? This is not criticism! I’m genuinely curious because I get comments like this occasionally and I always wonder.
@@JunkWaxHero I'm only out of cards, not the hobby as a whole. I collect original photos, and enjoy the scarcity that comes with them. I still enjoy videos people post within the hobby. I just don't understand why people pay such outrageous amounts of money on collectibles that aren't rare.
@@JunkWaxHero Just always know that I have a minority mindset within the hobby. It's never anything personal. It just blows my mind the desperate measures people are willing to go to convince themselves (and others) that something they own is rare, just because of a numerical grade on a slab. It's never made any sense to me. I own type 1 original rookie photos of Griffey, as well as some photos to his first allstar appearance. It's items like that, which easily could be 1/1 items. That's the stuff I love.
Yea, I saw a video not too long ago about a collector that's doing that with Henderson, but he's also collecting .5's as well. So, 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5 etc..... And the crazy thing is I've thought about this before, and it's really common among vintage collectors/set builders.. Keep in mind that set collectors - especially vintage (pre-70's), and pre-war set builders build low-grade sets, and generally speaking - er at least in my experience - collectors/set builders prefer "uniformity" in their sets so there are plenty of collectors out there looking for low grade cards that fit the overall grade of the set(s) they're currently working on... I mean, obviously pre-70's sets are pretty valuable on average, hence expensive to build in higher grades but a collector could build a 1964 Topps set (for example) in lower-to-mid-grade with the right luck and lot's of patience for under $1,500 I would assume.... So yea, I'm not shocked there are collectors out there collecting lower grade modern cards.. If there is one thing I have learned over my 35-40 years in the hobby as a collector/dealer it's that there is a market for anything - you just have to find the right demographic, and there will be a collector there willing to pay good money for an item you think is junk... As they say "one mans trash is another mans treasure" and that applies heavily to collectors.. I mean that's why I do my best to keep a diverse inventory and plenty of vintage "odd-ball" stuff on-hand along with anything vintage, regardless of grade... So yea, I suppose if you have an 89 Upper Deck Griffey that doesn't have a chance at grading an 8 or higher beat it up a little - you know, toss it around for a few weeks. Leave it on the floor, leave it outside, toss it at the wall - you know, lol.
Yeah, and this is what happens when EVERYBODY owns the same exact card in the same exact condition. Very sad to know that people are too ignorant to know where to look for true scarcity.
Oh good grief on buying PSA 1 & 2 ‘89 UD KGJrs. Buy a raw one w/ a crease (or DIY crease). I knew about PSA 1-10 “rainbows” of certain players (‘04 Messi rookie) but this takes it to a new level. However, this is a perfect example of collecting what you like. Just don’t try to be a sports card investor with this approach unless it’s with Will Grier cards
I do know someone who tried to do this with Scottie Pippen's rookie card. He got down to PSA 3, (pop 24) but then there are only 7 2's and 2 1's. They didn't want to artificially try to create 1's or 2's so they were happy to stop at this point.
This exact thing with this exact card has been my goal for the last 15 years. I have successfully built and sold a PSA 1-10 rainbow. I have a BGS 1-9.5 rainbow including half grades (BGS 1 is a pop 2). I am also more than halfway done with SGC rainbow with half grades. It all started at the National circa 2010 when I took my best condition Griffey, graded onsite with PSA and got a 6. It got me interested in the lower grades. 1-2.5 are the hardest grades to achieve. I fully believe in collect what you love.
