@@Electronic424 You are likely correct, which is why it takes forever to get bulk orders back. With my last one, it took 120 business days for it to be finished and returned. SMH
@@bpnsirdiealot A quest to recover the grail PSA 10 slabs is currently underway. My father has also gone missing and I assume he's being held captive there, grading countless Pokemon cards against his will. I'll keep you updated.
Sure didn’t look like that Sandy Koufax was “Carefully placed within the holder” to me...the guy dropped the card down in the vicinity of the holder, then slid the card into the “slot”, potentially causing the card edges to get stuck momentarily and/or causing the card to be damaged, especially the lower left corner of that card. If the lower left hand corner caught onto one of the raised edges of the case, that Koufax would potentially be damaged in that corner to an extent that would definitely be noticeable...NOT the way I would be showing off how “carefully” the cards are placed into the slabs...
i have a PSA graded 8 rookie stick and the one upprer left corner is so noticably damaged, i cant believe it got an 8. Im guessing it got damaged in the encasing..... in my experience the card is a 6-7 in a blink, but ill certainly take the 8 grade
I rarely deal with grading stuff. They rob people and try to devalue people's cards by 100s of dollars for something you can't see unless under a microscope or slight fray or creese. It's a racket. Always has been Since 1991 and is obviously a government hand dipped racket. That killed the hobby to profit off of robbing people. I sent the same card to 3 different grading companies just for kicks. Got it back all different grades, then cracked the slab sent the same card back to the same company and again all different grades again. Meanwhile if a 52 mantle was in someones hand with a creese or fray corner noone would care and still sell for whatever. I know I woundnt care. Catch my drift? Cards sell for the right value to the right buyer who actually loves the hobby, player, sport or character. Who the fuck are you and where you get the nerve (government helped or not) to charge US PEOPLE 20-75$ OR MORE A FKN CARD!?*FOR OUR OWN CARDS!? AND THEN YOU GIVE NO REASONS FOR THE GRADE BACK TO THE CUSTOMER!!! Experienced eye appeal and simple answer is all a card needs. Someone who knows what its worth by simple eye appeal. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell if a card is in good condition. Why would someone pay 20-75$ or more to tell you something that you already know lol. Not this sucker lol. Only an idiot does. And then grading companies talk trash about other grading companies that charge less because they like to be fair with their customers and do it for the right reasons . With how things are today with social media, everyone connected, grading companies will be obsolete in the future and companies like PSA( pretty stupid answers) will be on a decline business wise. Thanks to people like me and others together to form a new grading SYSTEM. One that is honest, fair, and much cheaper to the public 😉. And people won't need to submit 20 at a time mandatory at 25 $ a piece lol. Get the fuck out or here
@@myeyesonly8207 I rarely deal with grading stuff. They rob people and try to devalue people's cards by 100s of dollars for something you can't see unless under a microscope or slight fray or creese. It's a racket. Always has been Since 1991 and is obviously a government hand dipped racket. That killed the hobby to profit off of robbing people. I sent the same card to 3 different grading companies just for kicks. Got it back all different grades, then cracked the slab sent the same card back to the same company and again all different grades again. Meanwhile if a 52 mantle was in someones hand with a creese or fray corner noone would care and still sell for whatever. I know I woundnt care. Catch my drift? Cards sell for the right value to the right buyer who actually loves the hobby, player, sport or character. Who the fuck are you and where you get the nerve (government helped or not) to charge US PEOPLE 20-75$ OR MORE A FKN CARD!?*FOR OUR OWN CARDS!? AND THEN YOU GIVE NO REASONS FOR THE GRADE BACK TO THE CUSTOMER!!! Experienced eye appeal and simple answer is all a card needs. Someone who knows what its worth by simple eye appeal. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell if a card is in good condition. Why would someone pay 20-75$ or more to tell you something that you already know lol. Not this sucker lol. Only an idiot does. And then grading companies talk trash about other grading companies that charge less because they like to be fair with their customers and do it for the right reasons . With how things are today with social media, everyone connected, grading companies will be obsolete in the future and companies like PSA( pretty stupid answers) will be on a decline business wise. Thanks to people like me and others together to form a new grading SYSTEM. One that is honest, fair, and much cheaper to the public 😉. And people won't need to submit 20 at a time mandatory at 25 $ a piece lol. Get the fuck out or here
Nope ... PSA is out. I don’t like how they handle the cards and without gloves they have no chance with me. My Rookie Joe Montana should grade 9.5 or 10 and seeing this video concerned me. Some cards are worth 10s of thousands of dollars, and generally look to be handled poorly based on this video. I expected to see gloves and wood tweezers to move the card for any reason. I don’t see gentle handling at any point, and when the card is placed in the protective cover he used finger tips to slide it into place ... finger prints! Treat the high dollars cards with more care.
A lot of people underestimate how "90s" the 2000s were. Just like people forget how "80s" the 90s still were. And sort of like how people never really noticed how "70s" the early 80s were.
@@charizardchaser was already stated. You dont realize the amount of pressure being applied to handling the cards with gloves on. If the grading companies refuse to handle them with gloves that should tell you something aswell.
@@westlakeohio Only for bulk orders. The turnaround time is 45 business days for economy which has been temporarily suspended. The turnaround time for regular is 40 business days. The turnaround time starts when they enter it into their system. because of the pandemic it took my cards one month to get entered into the system. I have only 15 business days left on my order.
@@nickb2912 whats your update on how your cards are doing? my single card i sent in is now in the "research and ID" phase. after 2 weeks. my bulk cards of 20 cards are on the "received" stage after a week.
Didn't realize how careless PSA is with handling these bare cards. It's no wonder why my cards always come back with weaker grades than I anticipated. I only ship out 100-125 cards per week to be graded, but now they're going to SGC - much better company, plus I hear they use surgical gloves to keep hand oils and potential cheeseburger residue (from lunch time) off your cards!
If we send a card to the USA from Canada and it gets a high grade some collectors have been hit with duties on the newly graded value of the cards...This sucks...
For sure...Too many easy grades devalues a lot of cards.. It also adds to the population of other cards that are the same thus reducing the value of a card. I'd love to get some of my cards graded especially the error ones that I have.
Noticed one fellow in your video handling a card with his bare hands...Great for finger & thumbprints...Wouldn't it be best to use thin gloves while handling the cards...
So what happens if they are grading your card bare handed and then accidentally drop it, dinging a corner in the process? Give you a crappy grade and move on?
Really suprised no one is handling these valuable cards with gloves (not cloth - latex or nitrile). You'd think that would be a requirement of all cards received - whether it be a moden card or rare pre-war era baseball card.
I can understand how most people are frustrated with PSA because they feel as if the grades they received were undeserved but my problem with them lies with their poor customer service, inconsistencies with turnaround times and they never take ownership of an issue on their end when it arises. They are basically arrogant and after using SGC once for comparison? I will never use PSA again. I wish I had used SGC to begin with as they were professional and engaging from day one.
I just wish the secondary grading companies' cards held more value. I was going to go with BGS or SGC, but even with high grades, the cards just don't sell for as much. They weren't first to market, and for some reason I guess, people just don't put as much value on their cards.
I just called PSA and they are not taking cards for grading even if you are a member. But they will take cards if you pay $100 to $200.00 a card. I asked why and the guy said they will not take my cards because they like to take the $100.00 cards before they take mine. But once they catch up they will start taking our cards, but for now they will
Guess I won't be sending to PSA unless they adopt better practices when handling people's cards, some of which can run into the $1000's and higher. Do they really not wear gloves when inspecting the cards?
Any wonder why this antiquated process requires so much time to grade a card? Hope they optimize some of the manual labor intensive process since this video.
Hopefully they are using gloves now a days and handle the cards a lot better lol... I sent in 3 10s and will get them back with fingerprints and ink all over them as 7s
I just received my PSA MINT 1983 Ryne Sandberg Rookie. Obviously the experts didnt notice the tear right in the center of the card that goes all the way thru!
I was thinking the exact same - I don't want some grubby hands going over my cards especially if one I send in turns out to be a £1800 PSA 10 1st edition Charizard.
Yeah seriously, they should not even be needing to touch the cards. Have some machine to safely get it out of the original holder. Etc., etc. I handle my cards ten times better than this video, while thinking that if I send one in they'll handle it even better.
hey, sleeves, toploaders, and card savers have been increasing in price and demand. i hear you guys just throw them out. can you just ship them back with the order? it would kind of help the shortage and price hike of those accessories.
every card i have ever sent to psa has been graded way lower than i thought. plus more than a few have been set back with a ding or bent corner. in other words if they have the same card and it belongs to a better paying person your card goes to them and you get the crap card back. psa is a joke.
Watched this video with interest. Noticed some discrepencies in handling as well as another viewer. Shouldn't all the dust or any loose debris be vaccumed off the cards front and back before being sealed into the plastic case. Ever notice the dust floating in the air...
Personally I use Beckett because I think that PSA hands out to many 10's I have seen so many PSA 10's in a set yet not even a third as many BGS 10's and the BGS 10's always sell for more unless it is a pre 1980 card.
What if I sent in a DSG 10, and told them not to regrade if it wasn't a PSA 10? My processes say they printed a label, so would that mean I'll get back a 10?
I do not know, I would never have sent one from I am guessing you mean Becket to them, I would have sent it back to Becket. I would guess they will put it through their own grading service and slab it that way. I do not work for them though.
so in the beginning of the video Joe talks about the cards having any identifying information removed before the grading process to avoid bias. but if you watch the video on the "lucky 7 find" of T206 Ty Cobb's he talks about how he knew the cards were coming in and was there for their arrival and walked them to the grading floor personally for authentication and grading. not saying he showed bias but don't you think it's possible bias happens. another example is the 1954 Hank Aaron from the Dimitri Young collection that was not graded a gem 10 until Dimitri submitted the card for the 3Rd time for consideration of it being bumped from a PSA 9 to a PSA10? Because everyone who has seen the card knows it lack the 'eye appeal" of most PSA10 cards b/c of centering. Sure PSA allows a margin on centering even on a Gem Mint 10 grade but why was this margin not given the first 2 times Dimitri submitted the card for grading? Bias, possible? Everybody at PSA has to recognize it good for business to have the best cards slabbed in a PSA holder. Just like the Wagner card that has now become to be known to be trimmed in an early interview the owner of PSA boost about how he is one of the few people in the world to examine the Wagner under magnification and how good it was for PSA to have the best of the best slabbed serial number 1 in a PSA holder? So does PSA sometimes show bias in certain situations?? Guess only they know for sure. All that said I still have all cards graded only by them because let's face it a PSA certified card bring the most $$ on resale
I agree with everything except your last line, I see Beckett bring more money on just about everything post 1983 but PSA brings more pre 1983 Personally I will not buy a PSA card anymore, I think they hand out way to many 10's and to card that do not deserve them. Just my opinion.
How much do they charge to get a t-206 1909-1911 base ball 350 subjects card? I dont know the price or even if they charge and who is recomended for grading?
PSA Graders are people who found a way to devalue card holders, and get their hands in the cookie jar... Back in the days it was about if the buyer liked what they were buying eye balling the cards only... Was up to the buyer and seller, and not a middle man... Rip offs...
Just recently I received through a close family members will a 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle BB Card. I have been collecting for years and I have been trying to decide which grading company to go with. I have never submitted a card for grading so this will be my first time. PSA was the lead choice but the this video has changed that decision. If you were me what would you do and how much do you guestimate this particular grade will cost? I appreciate any advice.
Hello Wesley. One thing I would like to point out is that I posted this in 2009 and I think it was a few years old when I posted it so things may have changed, MAYBE. To be honest I have always been told that cards pre 1983 are best done by PSA and post 1983 to send them to Beckett. I do not like PSA because I think they hand out way to many 10's where Beckett does not seem to hand out nearly as many so I prefer to deal with them. I do have a few PSA but the other reason I prefer Beckett is that their slabs (Cases they encase your card in) seem to be much more substantial than PSA's slabs. By the time I got done with Beckett I think 2 or 3 cards total with fees, mailing there and back, insurance there and back came to between $40-$60 I have not submitted any in about 4-6 years though. My uncle has that same card by the way, though I am not a baseball fan at all I can still appreciate the card and it's history though. I wish you the best of luck and please whatever you decide post back here and let me know how it turned out.
What a waste of resources. These people need to spend their time doing something better than grading cards. These people are touching your precious cards with their oily hand and encapsulate your touched up card in some case. Plus, grading is subjective for everybody. Waste of money and time.
wouldnt that be because nowaways, cards are just coming out of better, more sophisticated machines, which make alot cards nicer and sharper on average...than say, maybe 10-20 years ago?
+luvkountry I don't, I feel PSA hands out 10's to often and that that devalues all their graded cards. I would rather own a Beckett 9.5 than a PSA 10 because Beckett is much harder to get a good grade from.
it's quite simple.The only guaranteed authentic autograph is the one which object you handed to the individual who signed it as you closely observed him/her doing so. NOW DOESN'T THAT MAKE PERFECT SENSE?
WHY ARE THEY HANDLING CARDS WITH NO GLOVES ON ? LEAVING FINGER PRINTS ON CARDS,AND BY THE TIME THEY GET TO THE NEXT GRADER THE SURFACE GRADE,BECAUSE OF THEIR HANDLING PROCEDURE,MAKES THE GRADE LOWER,HELLO ? THIS IS THE FAMOUS PSA ? WHAT THE HECK ? THIS IS SUPPOSE TO BE PROFFESIONAL ?
PSA IS NOT FAIR AT ALL IN THEIR GRADING PROCESS. YOU NEED TO BE AN AUTHORIZED SELLER TO GET A FAIR GRADE. I SENT IN A 1956 SANDY KOUFAX WITH PERFECT CORNERS, COLOR AND CENTERING. I EXPECTED A 8 AND GOT A 4. USE ANOTHER GRADING COMPANY !!!!
Debbie Self NO!! But...but...but...didn’t you see?!? All cards are assigned internal numbers, thereby removing any identifiable information about the person who submitted the cards, thereby, removing any potential bias the grader may have when grading the cards!! Yeah, right. I’m sure that they don’t know which cards are sent in by people that send in 4000 cards/year as opposed to cards sent in by someone who sends in 25 cards/year...I think it’s irresponsible of them to even make that claim unless a disgruntled former employee comes forward and actually admits that there is no way in hell that a grader could EVER find out whose cards they are grading. Until that happens, nobody will ever believe that claim. That goes for BGS as well. Especially with all of the accusations coming out this week about former BGS employee(s) receiving an unprecedented number of black label 10s on his card submissions. Something like, order of 3 and 8 cards coming back with 3/3 black labels in one order, and 8/8 black labels in another order. Yeah, I’m SURE that there was no bias there. A statistical impossibility, that just so happens to go to a former employee with a great relationship with the company, who also just so happens to drop his cards off in person, and gets the impossible to get black label perfect 10, not just on one card, on his entire order. Yep. The grader didn’t know whose cards they were grading then. Just happened to get 8/8 cards submitted all coming back as the self proclaimed extremely rare black label perfect 10 grades. Funny. We all believe that was a coincidence. Keep up the good work of screwing the rest of us by giving preferential grading to people.
You guys this that's bad on the way they handle these card check out the Sandy Koufax card getting jammed into the final holder.. That is why cards get dings in the corners after being sealed.. It's all about PSA making money off of the suckers that send their cards into get Graded.
so disappointed with psa thisbwas my first time sending cards tobget graded i send 2 1986 micheal jordan rookie auto that i obtained at flight camp they send my cards ungraded saying not authentic and they lost my upper deck certificates ... couldn't help me in any way now i have my cards with no certificate...
That might be the problem... The Jordan rookie (i assume its the fleer one) was not a rookie auto, but rather a base rookie. It is also the most duplicated card on the market. For every authentic one, there are probably 10 fakes.
They’re using a mini loupe!! Lolol. Wow!! All the technology we have. SMH. They should be using a magnifier microscope like they use to zoom in on coins. The images is crystal clear right on a computer monitor. With coins you can see the presidents nose hairs! Lol This is seriously a disgrace!
Hope they aren't really hiring more right now. Soon enough a fully computerized grading company will cut major costs from this game and swoop up investors..
PSA is very stingy with the 10's and they'll make sure to keep it that way. Cards that you think are mint areactually 6's. It's best to stay away from hollow cards cause they contaiin many flaws...
+B Jaffe I have not actually dealt with PSA to be honest with you, but I see in the video and also know that Beckett requires you to put it in a penny sleeve and then in the clear card holder II which I do not like at all. I actually bend a card packing it because of one of those.