PSONE vs SEGA SATURN - RAYSTORM vs LAYER SECTION 2 

The dither pattern on Playstation games is very visible on emulation, like you say on CRT not so much. i've always played my Saturn through RGB scart so i'm pretty used to seeing the net effect transparency even on CRT.

Actually that's only true if you use composite cables. Unlike Japan and US, both PS1 and Saturn back then came with RGB scart cables in Europe and Australia mainly to avoid standard mess (PAL/SECAM) that's why most people didn't see the blended dither pattern on the Saturn on their TVs back then.

@@MNaka-uf9yz yep this is true. the dither pattern i'm talking about on Psone is some weird shading thing i think, you see it most visibly in 2D games (but still visible in 3d) as a diamond-ish shaped pattern on any flat colours its very odd, but the Dreamcast also has it in a couple of games (Last Blade 2 for example) i'm guessing any connection up to s-video blends it all away. The transparency dither on Saturn was still noticeable with standard RF cables from hazy memory of 1995 playing Panzer Dragoon, it had an unusually clean RF signal compared to the previous gen stuff.

@@retrospiritsgaiden2643 I used the Saturn with an S-Video cable back when it was released and could clearly see the fake transparencies. I think it was more so composite and RF that the effect was more hidden.

@@Megageoe the fake transparencies don't really bother me if used on small things/sparingly, but on this game they go full screen with them...it's not pretty once you see it - you're always looking out for them :(

some of the missing details are odd, like a missing poly here or an alpha texture there...but considering it was made specifically for Psone's 3d architecture and then ported to saturn - great job!

cool! and its decent on both systems too:)

I have no idea how I never knew this, and I’ve had RayStorm since launch. 😬 😅😅 🤷🏻‍♂️ 😂

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yep that's a definite possibility, i remember from back in the day the only way to fix that is to subdivide into smaller quads to reduce the warping (making it higher poly for no visual benefit)

"The Saturn can’t do real transparencies" --> it can, at least using the VDP2 framebuffer "trick" as seen in Burning Ranger. Also there is the software rendering option.

the Saturn did a pretty good job here, it has some minor differences in geometry or downgraded effects, but also a couple of improvements in some instances.

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@@SUNSHINE-me8gz ok...

no problem :)

yep it's nice:)

from memory, that transparency technique cause issues with polygons and/or sprites behind the transparency getting clipped (it only works over background layers) so i think that would've been bad for gameplay purposes

good question! its been a while since i played both but from hazy memory...the Psone soundtrack sounded a little 'brighter'somehow (i don't have great audio equipment though), also i seem to remember there's a slightly different mix on the music vs the sound effects volume in each. i've not finished each game (not skilled enough to 1cc these yet!) so i don't know if the music deviates after stage four.

Seemed to be several instances where the music differed. PS1 version plays a really good intro tune during the pre-title demo, while Saturn version seems to cycle through one of the more generic BGMs. Also found it weird that the first boss music on Saturn didn't cut in until the boss was almost dead, and it played some completely other tune in the meantime. I feel like these could have been oversights by the team doing the port, and not caught or really noticed by anyone after the fact.

all of the games in the series are very cool:)

@@retrospiritsgaiden2643 you can't go wrong with a small burst of any game in the series ahah

yeah, now you mention it i think i first played it on a cd from a Playstation magazine back in the day:)

@@retrospiritsgaiden2643 mine came with my playstation it had amored core on there which was my favorite,porshe challange,a tank game that was pretty cool,Croc,parappa the rapper,intelligent cube I couldnt get enough of and I still want that game,and if you press r2 the tiles would flip over showing a code that allows you to play fighting force demo

The disc that came with my console was the one with the T-Rex and Manta ray demos, it may also have had Crash Bandicoot on it. i used to love a good demo disc!

it is a nice game - great music:)

@@retrospiritsgaiden2643 That is exactly it, nice gameplay, nice visuals, GREAT music.

the sequel - Raycrisis - is pretty good too:)

@@retrospiritsgaiden2643 Yea, but i never played raycrisis on psx, didn't even know it existed backthen, found out about it on emulator.

Layer section is a better name than galactic attack that they used for the PAL game, so i think they made the right choice. they call them Raystorm 1&2 now though!

agreed:) porting from playstation to saturn (and vice versa) is always going to result in differences. Although both consoles have similar power they have very different hardware, which is why these comparisons are cool to see.

i don't know if the US version has a different soundtrack, both of these are japanese releases.

the transparencies on the lasers are very nice on Playstation.

It's definitely the Psone version, its the one that came on a disc with Raycrisis :)

Yep psx version, no loading screens in arcade :)

when playing this game on a Saturn on CRT with RGB scart cable I don't notice any borders, when using an upscaling device (such as a framemeister) there are borders on modern monitors or televisions at the top and bottom, because of integer scaling (although you can fudge it to be be fullscreen on other upscaling solutions i believe). in my experience these borders happen on Psone, Saturn, N64, dreamcast...can't remember if it applies to snes, pce, megadrive (etc) games when upscaled. the Saturn version framerate is slightly worse the PSone in some areas in this game

Owning and playing both of these on original hardware, I was more sensitive to the Saturn version not maintaining as smooth of a frame rate in several areas. I didn’t accurately measure as it was just my perception playing back to back and this being one of my favorite shmups of the 32bit era. I tested on a crt tv and LG CX with RT4K. Still an impressive port considering the origins of the development but hard to go back to the saturn version after noticing

@@beebeedeluxe exactly, in the video, the game seems smoother than what saturn delivers actually.

@@beebeedeluxe i have both of these games on original hardware too, there are some differences in frame rate, and the way the graphics are constructed on the Saturn using some 2D backgrounds rather than polys sometimes looks marginally better but other times looks far worse than the Playstation 3D (if you notice it). i agree it's a pretty decent port.

Nice summary. The Saturn puts up a good show here for sure, i agree with your point about porting - i think that's why games like Radiant Silvergun didn't get ported to PSone - the Saturn had too many custom bits and bobs in it for doing stuff like infinite planes you'd have to do with polygons on Psone.

Saturn obviously performs better though, not seeing any frame dips but the PS1 version is chugging in some spots. Also seems more vibrant with color palette, PS1 version looks strangely dim. The biggest advantage though is the Saturn controller being so much better for this type of game than the PS1 controller, that thing is so awful.

the playstation colour palette is muted. you are on the money with the saturn pad - it's wonderful. @@graalcloud

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i have the Playstation double pack of Raystorm and Raycrisis, it's pettry cool. The Saturn should've got Layer Section and Layer Section 2 as a double pack :) from what i remember the Playstation had a custom MIPS processor/GPU and the Saturn had 2x Hitachi SH2s, plus a DSP - i'm not sure they are that similar internally, but the resulting games are pretty comparable, on multiplatform games it seems the system that was the lead console for development usually having the better version because specific hardware tricks were difficult to replicate on the other device.

Saturn version does seem pumped up a bit on colour

the weird thing is the Saturn version seems to run at a higher resolution, yet looks more pixelly. according to my captures, the game seems to run in 256x256 on Playstation but 320x256 on Saturn. Anyway i like the game on both formats:)

nice breakdown. this game is cool, but yeah it's not as nice as the original 2d Layer Section. The soundtrack is awesome:)

the CGI stuff isn't very good, and you can skip it!

Sim mais pelo menos tem o CGI o cara escolhe dar skip ou não.. o final do game incluse tem .. coisa que nao rola no psx..

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Foi um milagre o sega saturn conseguir rodar o Ray Storm já que o console para 3D não presta pra muita coisa...😂

It's a pretty close conversion so Saturn 3D wasn't all that bad:)

The Saturn does have some transparency...but the Playstation has loads:)

the game textures do have more contrast and are more saturated in areas. TBH i've not noticed bigger sprites in the saturn game.

Saturn version is definitely cool.

True, although the Playstation does a better job of rendering the moon at the jump gate stage. both versions are good:)

don't know about that. good games are good games, Saturn has plenty of them. TBH all i remember from back then was lots of really cool games on various consoles, and nothing that interested me on PC.