My heart goes out to these individuals who still manage to thrive and stay alive despite their illnesses. To not be able to understand or be understood must be such an isolating shell of existence. 😢❤
Schizophrenics don't think about thriving and staying alive. They don't know they are isolated or not understood because that involves drawing conclusions from logical facts. Hebephrenic schizophrenics are totally lost in a fractured reality and will never be able to communicate successfully with others. Some cases are milder than others, but if it shows up in adolescence, it generally does not improve greatly. It is fortunate that times have changed since this video was made, and that there are newer medications to treat these folks, drugs that are not as destructive and mind-killing as thorazine and haldol. However, their confusion remains. Generally there is no cure for schizophrenia. A few can be somewhat content, but most cannot hold a job, have a family of their own, etc. I have 3 schizophrenic siblings. It is a horrible, cruel disease.
I see color shapes for each musical note. I was mentally tortured by a mother who was both a miser (she was from Old Mexico), and a full fledged Narcissist Despite living through patterns of similar abuse through different friends who took on her role, I was able to slowly document my musical and artistic perceptions, and even have my own page here to share. It is very moving to see other people like this from the past, knowing that I was never alone.
The brain of someone with this condition does not comprehend that he is not understood, because his brain exists in a state of gibberish. It's not like a person with aphasia. And he was not thriving, he lived in a hospital, unemployable and unable to live a normal life.
My friends were impressed that I understood what he was saying. I work as a police dispatcher and I frequently have to deal with people who speak less clearly than this guy. 20 years of doing the job and your hearing gets REALLY fine tuned. "He's in the streets. He buys a suit, he buys a hat. He goes to shows. He buys chocolate and cigarettes."
Everybody understood what he was saying not every word but everything that you heard and understood we understood it as well. He was a French Canadian from Montreal Quebec. Did you catch at the very end where Dr. Lehman ask him where is the dollar? And he points to his heart and says “the heart the heart” but dr Lehmann wasn’t to sharp to catch on that and asks him again “what’s this” and Joe respond “I want the heart to see the light a man could be dying soon” yet again Dr. Lehmann fail to understand him and retort with some comfort words. My take on the last part of the interview was: he metaphorically is telling dr. Lehmann “the value as a man is on his heart” 💔
@@anilaltun2190-- I think you're right Anil. Sad what happened to this fellow. In the black & white photo he looks at (which is him), he has a full head of great black hair & he's a good-looking kid. But I must admit, despite his condition I liked this guy. I liked listening to him, he had a sense of humor, he had personality. I often wonder what happened to him.
I sat with my baby brother while life support was turned off, he was schizophrenic we didn't really know this until the end, he was a real character he'd morph into a older guy called lord Barrington & speak in a cocky English accent, yet if we hung round with him more than half hour he was back, he was amazing with music could play piano, guitar , to the very note but by ear & he was deaf in 1 of those ears, how I miss him always knew what to say loved everyone, yet misunderstood, the Dr here in this video are amazing
My brother was in a facility with a man named Lord Barrington many years ago. He was English, very intelligent, had great stories and was very funny. That's crazy.
He really was over 900 years old. The sites and memories filled his mind. He was forever youthful until his mind broke. Then sickness took his sanity and his body soon followed.
My paternal grandfather was a slightly less severe version of Joe. He had an incredibly difficult life, eventually drinking to self-medicate. He was institutionalized in the state mental hospital a few times; the family were deeply embarrassed, and told everyone that he had been institutionalized *because* he drank. They were horrible, insensitive people, and even my dad refused to level with me about what was really happening. They preferred a demeaning lie to the truth. (I had to piece the story together long after my grandfather's death, with the help of an estranged family member.)
There is nothing to be embarrassed about! I remember mental illness carrying a “hush-hush” stigma when I was little. These people work 1,000 times harder than you or I in a day just to order something to eat! I hope and pray he was able to respond well to different types of treatment. God bless him....l✝️🙏🕊💕😢😊
I hope after he gave him the Coke they actually did take him down to socialize and visit with staff or other patients or something, like he really wanted to. I’m sure socializing when he is motivated for it would be very therapeutic to him, and maybe even his illness.
LOL well if you watched the video they did give him the Coke...what do you mean by “I hope they gave the Coke”?? You merely watched a 9 min video of a glimpse of his life, I’m sure if he had the ability to socialize with others and did not pose a danger he would be obviously allowed to be around others...ppl say the most ridiculous and ignorant things without knowing facts and thinking everything they see and hear on social media is true...lord have mercy...this world really is going to hell in a hand basket 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. -Acts 3:19 .
Apparently, Joe went on to write over half a dozen romantic novels with policeman and dentist characters as the protagonists in his many wild storylines. This goes to show that one cannot judge a person by their demeanour alone. Joe was certainly a sensitive man at heart to have composed his many books. God bless this man. ☝️🙄
@@vendetta1429 I am sorry but I cannot give specific titles, as the information was conveyed to me by word of mouth by someone I do not know. Perhaps I may have been given false information. 🫣
At 8:11 Joe says "that man's a boot teller..." what he actually said (since he's in Montreal, & speaks French) is "bouteiller." A bouteiller is a man in charge of a wine cellar. It was also a surname in Canada between 1840-1920. Joe had an education, a knowledge in the recesses of his mind. I'm surprised that the doctor didn't pick up on that. How many people would even have that word in their vocabulary in the 1950s?
@@IsmaelMartinezMusic - I'm assuming it Ismael. Not suggesting it's a fact. I stated it because I found it peculiar that the doctor seemed to gloss over the sentence. He didn't respond to it, didn't ask the patient what he meant by it, and how he knew that word? I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist -- I just thought that it was important. If the doctor did pick up on it then it wasn't in this film. I wondered why? Maybe the doctor did follow up at a later date, or maybe it wasn't the first time the patient said those words. The doctor may have already been familiar with the speech of this patient. Maybe the film is just a piece of a longer filmed interview we didn't get to see.
Apparently, Joe went on to write over half a dozen romantic novels with policeman and dentist characters as the protagonists in his many wild storylines. This goes to show that one cannot judge a person by their demeanour alone. Joe was certainly a sensitive man at heart to have composed his many books. God bless this man. ☝️🙄
Please! What’s sad is how commenters make naive assumptive claims based on minutes of film! Do explain how you know his mind “has gone” or more specifically explain what constitutes a mind. Prove that his mind is gone because if a mind is consciousness produced by the brain then Joe’s mind or brain is very much intact and operating as we can observe. So his mind isn’t somewhere else, anymore than my mind is in that room with those two men observing their conversation. Or is it?
@@BushyHairedStranger I don't need to prove anything. It is right there for everyone to see. I am a nurse and have worked years and years with people like him. You took an ordinary phrase that I had made and tried to turn it literal when my statement was figurative.
No way I could do this job. I would have lost it: Doc: How long have you been her? Joe: I've been here 900 years. Doc: How did you get here? Joe: On my four feet. 😂😂😂😂😂😂 It's sad that I find this funny. I mean no disrespect to him or those that are ill.
Someone that I believe has this disorder attempted to bully me and I often think about him and feel so sad for him because I think he's undiagnosed and even when he spoke to a literal mental health professional they don't detect it. I don't think they do because it's in an infancy that any stress and drug use will extrapolate into full blown detachment from the self awareness needed to help him even begin to treat this. Terrible thing to turn a blind eye to
This is my favorite one of these videos because I like Joe, he would be someone fun to be around, I think I would be friends with Joe just to hear him talk, he sounds like he's just confused and scattered but just can't quite get out what he wants to say if you really listen you can understand him, I'm sure Joe is already passed away but I think I'd would have been friends with Joe he's a character for sure, R.I.P Joe you are now free from your confused mind, I also had a brother that was a paranoid schizophrenic, he had a miserable life and passed away at 60 i miss him and Joe kinda reminds me of him just misunderstood like my brother, R.I.P Johnny maybe you and Joe have met in heaven and are good friends, it would be my pleasure if I make it to heaven to sit and talk to you both without earthly mental problems like you both had here, I bet your both very intelligent interesting spirits to talk to.
what a lovely character. It would be interesting to see how he interacts with other folks. I'm curious to if he displays any sort of reflective gestures in his demeanor
It's funny, even 'normal' people can look at photos of their young self with a lack of familiarity, and, for all we can know, the man and the man in the photo are now perhaps entirely different people.
His cranium is deformed. I can’t understand most of what he’s saying when he speaks in English. He’s French Canadian I suppose. Love and compassion will always be the only way we’ll ever help people like this.
This is RU-vid…. If anyone is slightly offended by the truth based on facts the posts are deleted. Just another example of the demise of our first amendment rights. Courtesy of the new woke democrat party.
@@scatdog1 as someone who is very left leaning…. No, it’s not the Democrats lol. Y’all right-wingers really just decided on this one social narrative and apply it to literally everything regardless of any actual relevance or applicability. Saying this is a political move is a quite a reach lol. RU-vid is just RU-vid. I’m 90% sure these videos are taken down because of copyright claims (bc that’s what gets videos taken down 99% of the time.) Of course, none of us in the comment section can 100% know - it’d be a little naive to think your theory is the one and only possible explanation. Have a little common sense. RU-vid doesn’t take down videos based on how many people feel ‘offended’. If you need any proof, look at Eugenia Cooney’s channel and all the shit that her videos are stirring up. If you spent any time on this website, you’d know she definitely isn’t the only one either. The like to dislike ratio is way higher on pika’s videos than most, which means they have very high approval ratings. There are far worse, much more graphic/upsetting videos on here that RU-vid can’t be bothered to touch no matter how many people complain. But of course, you just had to turn this into something to further your political agenda, huh.
@@scatdog1 as someone who is very left leaning…. No, it’s not the Democrats lol. Y’all right-wingers really just decided on this one social narrative and apply it to literally everything regardless of any actual relevance or applicability. Saying this is a political move is a quite a reach lol. RU-vid is just RU-vid. I’m 90% sure these videos are taken down because of copyright claims (bc that’s what gets videos taken down 99% of the time.) Of course, none of us in the comment section can 100% know - it’d be a little naive to think your theory is the one and only possible explanation. Have a little common sense. RU-vid doesn’t take down videos based on how many people feel ‘offended’. If you need any proof, look at Eugenia Cooney’s channel and all the shit that her videos are stirring up. If you spent any time on this website, you’d know she definitely isn’t the only one either. The like to dislike ratio is way higher on pika’s videos than most, which means they have very high approval ratings. There are far worse, much more graphic/upsetting videos on here that RU-vid can’t be bothered to touch no matter how many people complain. But of course, you just had to turn this into something to further your political agenda. It gets tiring.
It's always interesting watching these interviews with real people. I wonder how pharmacological treatment changes the behaviour of severely mentally ill patients. I deal with schizophrenics in my work, but their symptoms are much less severe. Most of them are able to perform basic functions such as grocery shopping with out issues. All on medication of course.
In past decades the mentally ill (schizophrenic) patients the government used to institutionalized them in mental asylums or psychiatric hospitals but through the years big pharma companies have developed more powerful drugs to help them to cope with daily life functions. You right today’s mentally ill function better on their own because of the most efficient drugs and treatment.
I see a good psych and while many people feel for the patients I also feel for the doctors because of how hard diagnosing and treating is much of the time and its thankless. While I consider myself a reasonable case think of how hard it must be to try and treat someone such as this man or others that seem beyond help.
I don't know about today, but in the 20th century at least, English-speaking Montrealers proudly thought they had the best accent in the whole English-speaking world. To me, this doctor's speech is evidence that they may well have been right.
I have a lot of psychology courses and worked with many bipolar and schizophrenic patients. They come to me pre diagnosed by healthcare professionals. They are correct in their diagnoses.
There was definitely a version of this on RU-vid at some point that had captions, if I can figure out how to add captions to this video I definitely will
i swear i heard someone talk like that, always off topic pulling nonsense from he's heel, like we say and very quickly like he believes what he just said and not like he just came up with it millisecond ago, it was a homeless guy in our town he was hanging around our town for over 10 years
When even people in training have the opprotunity to see these very important films, the fact that they subject has a shaved head tells them nothing. They basically did whatever they want to these unfortunate people and there is no actual 'science' involved.
Apparently off camera the doctor lost patience with Joe and gave him a back hander sending him to floor. Joe got up and was speaking normal. He threw the coke bottle at the doctor, walked out and hitchhiked his way to LA. He eventually met up with Lou Reed and helped compose the lyrics to Take a Walk on the Wild Side.
Nah his name is Trump who had to pay a woman he raped and was impeached twice.and was a friend of Epstein..and owes 350 million..and has millions of fool cultists.. this guy is a gem compared to him.
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I am not absolutely convinced that this man is really sick. He's playing a comfort issue of diversion. Too much compassion oursides. Put the guy in a real stress situation and you'll have a big surprise.
From a mystic's perspective, he means he's been in *existence* for 900 years, who knows how a neuroscientist with a panpsychist view would eat that up, when he says hes sick in the blood he does not mean pressure, he means his genetic makeup is wrong, and he understands this on some level, as well he keeps referring to himself in the picture as an other person because in time as one changes one might as well see a former image of their self as having been someone else... I mean he illuatrates some savvy intellect for someone mentally Ill... i wouldnt say thia is illness as much as its just nurasynapses have been meshed out of order
@AJ. No. He doesn't know what he means, at all. This is hebephrenic schizophrenia. The lens through which he views the world and himself is entirely fractured. He doesn't know he is sick, at all. All he knows is that this place is where he is staying. His mind is unreachable and these are not cryptic words of insight. I lived with 3 schizophrenics, my siblings, who fell ill with this disease in their teens. They are now in their 50s and 60s. Drugs have improved their quality of life, making them more peaceful, but delusional thinking, hallucinations and loss of any fixed orientation to reality is still profound. It is now known that this disease is carried along genetic lines. Our family participated in a research study for this illness. Our DNA was examined, and a genetic marker was found that came from the Welsh side of the family. Every generation of that bloodline had family that were in stricken with this illness. Out of 8 children in my family, 3 became schizophrenics. It was a very traumatic diagnosis for my folks and nearly drove my dad crazy.
Se tornaram esquizofrênicos na adolescência? Desculpe perguntar , antes de se tornarem doentes, como eles eram no dia a dia? Como perceberam que estavam adoecendo? Algum deles usaram drogas? Sinto pelas perguntas, e se puder responder, agradeço. Imagino que não deve ter sido fácil para seu pai e mãe.
@@eileenhetherington3704 for thousands of years people with these afflictions have been a sort of unwanted friction to society, and for thousands of years most of us have gotten it wrong. Sages and mystics have always understood these 'afflictions' for what they are. Schizophrenic are not mentally 'ill', they're uninhibited. As Sadhguru once said, leave the fool alone for he is not insane, his mind is just with God...
@@Valkonnen You are correct about "abs"! Stay tuned...I've turned the case over to scholars of the Yiddish language to interpret beyond what I'm able to, which language Joe speaks when not speaking English. He even says so, at 9:03, that he speaks "half Jewish, half English"; of course "Jewish" is nothing other than Yiddish, which, as you might know, is what the Y-word translates directly as. Furthermore, Joe states that he speaks not much French ("just a little bit", at 9:06) when asked by Dr. Lehman/Lemmon. Perhaps Dr. L thinks that Joe is lapsing into French because they are situated in Canada and Montreal is a topic. If so, this avuncular interviewer might be brilliant in medicine, but he'd be no polyglot.