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@odinsdottir3898
@odinsdottir3898 11 дней назад
1:22:07 but ANY mother who let's her boyfriend asleep in a bed with her child is a failure as a parent. This is a hill I will die on.
@LarryLegend3923
@LarryLegend3923 10 дней назад
Casey Anthony had 2 different boyfriends sleeping in bed with her and Kaylee
@sweetestdreams80ab
@sweetestdreams80ab 10 дней назад
​@2422Chris I can't believe I'm going to say this but I truly believe this is even worse. Being in the bed with your child and a boyfriend and allowing a boyfriend alone just seems soo much more wrong.
@leaharchambault5796
@leaharchambault5796 10 дней назад
I’m not sure Dr. John disagrees, he’s simply showing WHY a person behaves that way. It doesn’t excuse her criminal neglect, it simply explains why
@justme880
@justme880 9 дней назад
I and many others are also on the hill.
@critterscute3642
@critterscute3642 9 дней назад
You’re on a very crowded hill
@judysanders5591
@judysanders5591 11 дней назад
Her house was the scary place, the woods would be far better for her.
@bonniejoy4498
@bonniejoy4498 11 дней назад
@judysanders5591 I agree. I don't think her expressed desire to ESCAPE to the woods was at all metaphorical. Maybe a bit fantastical but not metaphorical.
@snowwhite2524
@snowwhite2524 10 дней назад
The woods were where I found peace and quiet when I was a child. Maybe Maddie felt the same way. My heart breaks for her.
@basicallyno1722
@basicallyno1722 10 дней назад
This is what fuels the “id rather be in the woods alone with a bear” trend
@annhank128
@annhank128 10 дней назад
When real life is more frightening and horrific than ANYTHING, the “dark scary” woods could possibly contain. A lot of children are terrified of the woods. It truly does speak volumes. It couldn’t be any worse than what she was living on a daily basis.
@kathleengold2417
@kathleengold2417 8 дней назад
That’s right, completely
@juliegiles334
@juliegiles334 11 дней назад
It no wonder Maddie was depressed. Not being seen, drugged with anesthetic meds, and sexually abused continually for years! My heart breaks for her.💔 Thank you Lauren and Dr John for your explanation, making sense of this tragedy.
@COOKIEMOM67
@COOKIEMOM67 4 дня назад
Absolutely right
@kaydub4595
@kaydub4595 10 дней назад
Why do we lock our doors at night? Because we cannot count on the moral compass of others. Jen absolutely FAILED as a parent.
@kyleek.cosmos3371
@kyleek.cosmos3371 7 дней назад
I have an almost 3 year old daughter. Her dad and I separated when she was only months old, and I haven’t even attempted to date or consider dating because of stories I hear like this. HOWEVER, and I hope this doesn’t come across the wrong way, but a part of me is almost relieved to know that Jen really is just a pos mother because it’s a scarier thought for me to think that you would be seeing someone that long & be absolutely oblivious to that level of abuse. Jen has solidified what I’ve always believed, she is complacent, willfully ignorant, and culpable. the naive act is palpable with this one. I can’t decide if she was stunted or traumatized as a teenager, but there are parts of this interview that she sounds like one. It’s frustrating to listen to her answer these questions like an unassuming dependent airhead, it’s down right infuriating that she’s giving answers she thinks they want to hear, not what would give the answer needed in order to obtain justice for her daughter. It’s downright disgusting behavior. In my opinion, all women are innately mothers, and that is why it so foreign and strange for us, as a gender, to see someone go against that. I have zero sympathy for Jen Soto after this. I tried to have empathy for her, but I can’t even hypothesize my daughter in Madeline’s shoes, without getting upset/panicked by just the prospect of it. This interview she’s giving is mid April. She knows what happened to her daughter. Things that I can’t even imagine my daughter going through without being upset, and NOT ONCE did I hear her cry. Not one time. And maybe not everyone cries, but where is the sorrow? I’ve listened to that interview twice now. Coming full circle to foreign nature of Jen’s behavior, I’m trying to find any little glimmer of this woman actually being a mother in grief and there isn’t a damn thing. This is so heartbreaking & Im sending all my love directly to that baby that deserve all the love in the world. I really hope that there is another family member on this Earth that loves that girl enough to get some sense in them and speak up against Jen. This woman needs to be held accountable. I’m sorry but it’s the truth.
@cherychabot6750
@cherychabot6750 3 дня назад
​@@kyleek.cosmos3371I am done with her also. Tried to give her the benefit of the doubt but no way! She knew what was going and she chose to let it happen so the POS Stephan would stay!!! She should have never been granted immunity and they made a big mistake giving it to her!!! She should at least be charged with child neglect! When she found out what Stephan had done she called his father and said you need to get Stephan a lawyer. Are you kidding me!!!! What about your daughter!! You did not protect her the way a mom is suppose too!!!
@carolewurtz9000
@carolewurtz9000 10 дней назад
I grew up In Northern Michigan in the country - not town. I’m 79. The woods has never frightened me. I grew up with a mom and step dad that were brutal. My twin and I escaped to the woods at every opportunity. It was a magical place if berries, wildflowers, birds and all sorts of animals. We only encountered a dangerous animal once. A wolverine. We backed off and so did it. Lucky? I don’t think so. We went to the woods to explore but we also prayed fervently because none of the adults around us were of any help. The woods saved our lives and were instrumental in our lives. Please don’t discount the woods as a dangerous place. The imaginary characters in fairy tales are not in the woods! The woods is full of beauty.
@shannons842
@shannons842 7 дней назад
I agree, For me it was my safe place from my home. From a brother that was a-busive in every way & a mother that was emotionally checked out & a father that was never home.
@KortlandWilson
@KortlandWilson 6 дней назад
I’m also from northern Michigan the woods around here are truly beautiful and peaceful I have so many wonderful memories in the woods i also wanted to live in the woods and I still do at 30
@LaurenLakes
@LaurenLakes 6 дней назад
😢
@Riblyme
@Riblyme 6 дней назад
I hope you achieved some level of healing and are happy today! Thank you for sharing.
@CarolBennett-b7h
@CarolBennett-b7h 5 дней назад
Agree 100%. Montana girl here. The woods were (and still are) a sanctuary.
@subsu6130
@subsu6130 11 дней назад
To me, the Mom needs to be prosecuted! You can’t tell me she didn’t think sleeping in the same bed as her boyfriend is not wrong! Total neglect!
@SheezaPI
@SheezaPI 10 дней назад
i get the feeling they’re selling the photos on the dark web. Why have so many saved? Somebody had to pay that new car payment, insurance, drugs, & all SS crappy man toys.
@basicallyno1722
@basicallyno1722 10 дней назад
Yes I’ve thought this too @Sheeza
@RosalindLew
@RosalindLew 9 дней назад
@KimberlyBishh
@KimberlyBishh 7 дней назад
She was afraid of every other situation but ignored the one in her own house
@tauresattauresa7137
@tauresattauresa7137 6 дней назад
I agree and even the film of her being sent to heaven. 😡​@@SheezaPI
@vouladracopoulos4736
@vouladracopoulos4736 11 дней назад
Jen couldn’t even find a photo of her missing daughter on her phone. That was a red flag for me. Maddie was invisible 😢😢😢😢RIP sweet girl.
@liss8595
@liss8595 11 дней назад
Ikr, even if she didn't have any in her phone, there must've been some in her cloud/or google photos. This monster of a woman needs to be in jail too! Should be facing charges.
@lindseyhendrix2405
@lindseyhendrix2405 11 дней назад
That stuck out to me too. And when she just had her 13th birthday… come on. And then didn’t SS even bring up the photos from the party? Made my stomach flip.
@StephaniePiazzese
@StephaniePiazzese 11 дней назад
I did not know that. That is extremely telling. That there was no affected for her little girl.
@katrinarafuse4318
@katrinarafuse4318 10 дней назад
But SS had PLENTY of photos, but that's right, he couldn't show THOSE to the police.
@basicallyno1722
@basicallyno1722 10 дней назад
@lindesyhendrjx it was weird to me that she didn’t go to the party. But let’s say she really had to work. She had the next day off…and she doesn’t even get up early to take her daughter to breakfast and school. She has her weirdo boyfriend do it after making them sleep together elsewhere.
@JE4-1
@JE4-1 11 дней назад
Even if mom is not directly involved, her complicity (telling them to sleep in the same bed together) is more than enough to hold her accountable. Sickening as a Mother to have your daughter sleep in the same bed as your boyfriend while you sleep alone.Her mother, who was supposed to keep her safe, fed her to the wolves.
@caroles5502
@caroles5502 11 дней назад
I don't think Jenn was naive. I think she didn't care.
@trishallen1546
@trishallen1546 11 дней назад
I thought the condo had 3 bedrooms.
@starflower703
@starflower703 11 дней назад
@@trishallen1546It had 4 bedrooms. The master was Jen’s room downstairs and there were 3 bedrooms upstairs. Two of the bedrooms upstairs were rented out to roommates and Stephan’s father was paying $600 a month for the 4th bedroom.
@womanofsteel9276
@womanofsteel9276 11 дней назад
@@starflower703Yet Madeleine, her own daughter and resident of the home was delegated to a portioned off area in the living room. Maddie should have had her own bedroom with a deadbolt and slide lock on her door that she could lock from the inside. No access for anyone else. I’m being facetious, of course. However, this story would have turned out differently if Jen had protected her daughter just a drop, in ANY manner whatsoever.
@jamieberzett9655
@jamieberzett9655 11 дней назад
Mother is A ACCESSORY TO M
@KK-fr2jl
@KK-fr2jl 10 дней назад
The way Dr.John opened tonight’s discussion made me tear up. Thank you both so much for “seeing” this little girl.
@COOKIEMOM67
@COOKIEMOM67 4 дня назад
Ditto
@kmars3239
@kmars3239 9 дней назад
The fact that Jennifer gave her a makeshift room, with a flimsy privacy door. Speaks volumes too! That poor girl …..😩
@SisterGoldenHair212
@SisterGoldenHair212 8 дней назад
She said it was because the grandfather wanted that room to be rented out after SS moved. But, I totally agree with you!
@kmars3239
@kmars3239 6 дней назад
@@SisterGoldenHair212 I heard that, we now know she is a liar! So doubt the grandfather is kicking a child out of a room
@jazzcee
@jazzcee 6 дней назад
1st Maddie had no privacy as a young lady. 2nd In Jens' last interview She states" I wanted her to have her own room, but my Father really wanted RENT!" Meanwhile her father was allegedly getting 2,500 combined in rent for all rooms.Jen and Sterns were broken up and still sharing a room and keeping Maddie in a predator sandwich!Even though room 4 was paid for by a 3rd party,and unoccupied Maddie still couldn't have her own rm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Then Jen states" ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN AT A SLEEPOVER!!"so she never allowed her to stay over at a friend's or likewise.. Meanwhile she makes Maddie have sleepovers with Sterns?! Nothing Jen has said makes me believe she's innocent as far as I'm concerned They tortured this poor girl.
@TGaines911
@TGaines911 6 дней назад
Not to mention her bed was shoved up against the sliding glass door…
@Lisa-r6u1w
@Lisa-r6u1w 6 дней назад
​@@SisterGoldenHair212then she should have rented it for Maddie she can afford a brand new car and Botox she can afford a bedroom for Maddie .
@debbiezajicek
@debbiezajicek 11 дней назад
She handed Madeline on a silver platter to her killer
@juliecrane9647
@juliecrane9647 9 дней назад
She did I'm hoping they're gathering evidence to charge her with SOMETHING. Child endangerment or neglect or a dozen other crimes I've hope but the longer she's free hope wanes.😢
@unazitella702
@unazitella702 8 дней назад
Hope this Mom didn't see this as better her than me. As in, then SS won't be bothering JS for sex, if he goes to her daughter. It's twisted, however this bs happens.
@pennyc11
@pennyc11 8 дней назад
​@@unazitella702She was hugging SS in the police interiew. He is showing indifference to her. It is so obvious how he feels about her. Plus it seems he was selling abuse online. Why her age mattered.😢
@unazitella702
@unazitella702 8 дней назад
@@pennyc11 What do you mean by your last statement?
@pennyc11
@pennyc11 8 дней назад
@@unazitella702 It looks very clear to me? What part do you not understand? Jenn and SS interviews are all over YT. Pictures of the victim were suggested to be traded for profit.
@bronwyn117
@bronwyn117 11 дней назад
I truly believe her mother needs to be charged with something. It’s unforgivable that she sent her daughter to bed with her boyfriend.
@justme880
@justme880 9 дней назад
I strongly agree with you.
@ChurchKnowItBeforeUGo
@ChurchKnowItBeforeUGo 9 дней назад
@@bronwyn117 Totally agree 💯%
@dejuhvu1793
@dejuhvu1793 9 дней назад
You’d be surprised how many moms defend her actions because they do it too
@1notstressed
@1notstressed 9 дней назад
Isn’t there a law against this? If there isn’t, there ought to be.
@Raven.13
@Raven.13 8 дней назад
Men who use violence, coercive control, manipulation and gaslighting target people like Jen. The manipulation started with Jen. I don't like all the victim blaming.
@kymfrancis4612
@kymfrancis4612 11 дней назад
I’m a clinical psychologist who has worked with abused children in child safety & Madeline’s life & death has really affected me; I weep for her & the abuse that she endured for years. How the hell did her abuse go unnoticed & unchecked by everyone around her. How many other children has Stefan abused & how many other children are in the same situation. Madeline had nobody to cherish, love & protect her😭I’m heartbroken for Madeleine & I sincerely hope that she receives the justice that she deserves.
@resellingandthrifting
@resellingandthrifting 8 дней назад
I wondered the same.
@cherylschumaker1366
@cherylschumaker1366 6 дней назад
Did Maddie ever have anyone sleep over ? Cousins? friends ? Surly the invesgators would have asked this question already
@resellingandthrifting
@resellingandthrifting 6 дней назад
@cherylschumaker1366 I remember on one of the interviews with Jen, I think it was in April. They asked Jen if Maddie ever slept at anyone's overnight and Jen said No, you never know about people or something like that. But I don't remember if they asked her if anyone ever spent the night at Maddies.
@KiLou749
@KiLou749 9 дней назад
I'm only 14 mins in & tears are flowing. This poor poor young girl. She must have felt so alone, so frightened, so worn down & unwanted. My heart breaks for this poor young girl. Shame on everyone who should have protected & helped her & did nothing. Another young life gone instead of being loved, nurtured & protected by a parent!
@candydodson1283
@candydodson1283 10 дней назад
Jenn should’ve let Maddy’s dad have custody if she had too many mental health or drug dependency issues.
@jessieessex
@jessieessex 3 дня назад
The father revoked his custodial rights when Maddie was an infant and he denied being her father. Once DCFS asks if a man who is named as the father wants to voluntarily take responsibility for the child and the man refuses, he is given a paternity test on the dollar of that state agency and with this refusal, if it is found that he is actually the father, he can no longer claim that he wants custody of that child. It’s a done deal. Not only will the father then have to pay child support or have it garnished from his wages, but the mother will get full custodial rights of the care for that child and he can seek visitation, but he doesn’t have to, and clearly he didn’t want to very badly because he didn’t exercise that ability and it doesn’t matter what reason he had for not doing so, he didn’t do it.
@Lisa-r6u1w
@Lisa-r6u1w 2 дня назад
She needed the money cause she supported a monster .
@rlizabethcastillo5541
@rlizabethcastillo5541 День назад
@@jessieessex1000% correct. Maddie’s bio was irresponsible as well imo.
@cygnelle1232
@cygnelle1232 11 дней назад
As someone with sexual trauma from childhood, this podcast episode is one of THE most healing things I have ever come across. Thank you, Dr John, for truly seeing the humanity of a 13 year old girl as a grown man. I have a mountain of tissues beside me, and I'm sure this has been a corrective experience for many of my fellow survivors as well.
@TheJilly1337
@TheJilly1337 10 дней назад
Same for me. Hugs. 💜
@Boopdasnoot
@Boopdasnoot 9 дней назад
Same here friend ❤
@shameemawilliams2086
@shameemawilliams2086 9 дней назад
Same. We survived. Maddie represents all of us little girls that lived through it. Hugs❤ may she rest in peace and know how much her life and death has affected us. I feel stronger because of Maddie❤❤❤
@pennyc11
@pennyc11 8 дней назад
It's epidemic that few want to address. So happy we survived. I hope you were able to find some level of happiness and freedom from abuse. I still struggle with trying to sleep 50 years later. Yet, I want to be supportive of those who are fighting against CA.
@tracieday8661
@tracieday8661 11 дней назад
Can you imagine telling your 13 year old daughter that when she's 18 you're going to throw her out? What a hideous thing to say. I despise Stephan but the rage I feel for Jenn is indescribable. Ok, dang it Dr. John after listening to you talk about Jenn's mental health I actually felt a twinge of sympathy for Jenn but...then I remember she told Sterns dad after finding out about the abuse they needed to get him a lawyer. Twinge of sympathy GONE
@SheezaPI
@SheezaPI 10 дней назад
And don’t discount her saying the sex stuff wasn’t evil. She knew imo.
@tabbydawn
@tabbydawn 10 дней назад
👏🏼
@leaharchambault5796
@leaharchambault5796 10 дней назад
“ after listening to you talk about Jenn's mental health I actually felt a twinge of sympathy for Jenn”. It’s not about being sympathetic, it’s about UNDERSTANDING, not excusing her actions.
@kafusada1041
@kafusada1041 10 дней назад
I agree. Jennifer and Stephan may have had an agreement😢
@SigMaQuint
@SigMaQuint 9 дней назад
That thing about getting a lawyer, could mean that «he is in deep S- now». It depends upon how much she has been into legal thinking. He has a right to a lawyer.. I think most people think that she wants to protect him. The kindness experienced in Madeline could have been a trait in her mother. In kind thinking, a person in deep S- needs a lawyer.
@kbiz261
@kbiz261 11 дней назад
Thank You for giving a voice to Maddie. When I found out she was crying to her grandmother that she does not want to go home days before her murder, it really broke my heart.
@luciaseacreature8705
@luciaseacreature8705 11 дней назад
again... no-one helped this child.
@karencollins2661
@karencollins2661 11 дней назад
Maddie never had a chance in this life.
@starlapercle9575
@starlapercle9575 11 дней назад
Was she?? Poor baby girl
@chacha-Ce83
@chacha-Ce83 11 дней назад
And why did the GMA not say okay stay with me? 🙆🏻‍♀️
@rebeccazeman9309
@rebeccazeman9309 11 дней назад
Yes! This reminds me of my niece who is 13. When I found out she was not safe at home I immediately called CPS and tried to get her out of there. She cried in my house that she just wanted to stay here and I was heartbroken. Poor Maddie had no one to care about her. She deserved so much better.
@KruezFam
@KruezFam 9 дней назад
When I listened to one of the recordings of Jen and police, she had zero anxiety about her missing daughter UNTIL they told her that they were taking Stephan's phone! Then she holds her breath and her voice is unsteady. Her phone will also reveal a lot of whatever went on between her and Stephan.
@thehaglin
@thehaglin 9 дней назад
That mother is part of this! I feel it in my bones. She KNEW! She’s been covering for him, lying for him. So many people failed her. Poor sweet, broken child 😢
@vickieparry3168
@vickieparry3168 7 дней назад
100%
@loriswenson2276
@loriswenson2276 4 дня назад
Who tracks their daughter’s period?
@thehaglin
@thehaglin 4 дня назад
@@loriswenson2276 exactly! She KNEW!
@MKUltra42
@MKUltra42 11 дней назад
My soul cannot settle until I know that Jenn is facing consequences for what she did to her precious only daughter. She literally only needed to do the bare minimum to keep Madeline safe from that monster and instead she served her up to him. I like to imagine Maddie as she was in one of her last photos. In a beautiful blue dress, scarf trailing behind her, as she dances free through the universe.
@Speakupok
@Speakupok 9 дней назад
Every adult failed her but now the public is fighting for justice and justice will prevail. I hope we find the exact truth as to what really happened the time she was killed and why it happened. May the full truth come out.
@karismanavid1833
@karismanavid1833 5 дней назад
​@@Speakupok 🎯💯❤
@helutkakizia9476
@helutkakizia9476 11 дней назад
Thank you! I am Madeline, and Jen is my mother! I was so afraid i might be like Jen i never decided to have kids. Your episode helps to heal.
@Codered810
@Codered810 10 дней назад
So your mother knew what was happening and did nothing? If so it makes me believe even stronger that js knew. I'm so sorry for your experiences through life and I hope you heal from that.
@checktapefam...2094
@checktapefam...2094 10 дней назад
Me too. I will never forgive my mother either. I do have kids, and I am hypervigilant and a bit of a 🚁 mom. My husband is the same.
@emgee75pop
@emgee75pop 10 дней назад
@@helutkakizia9476 I’m sorry you went through that 💔 it’s understandable that you didn’t have children but it’s also a shame you didn’t have a chance to love on your child the way you wanted to be loved on by your mother. It does help to heal ironically. As you get older you understand the humanity of your abusive parent and why they turned out the way they did. Doesn’t mean you condone what they did to you but you see them as they are/were: a weak human. I’ve noticed that many times, childhood abuse survivors turn out to be stronger than the average person with a “normal” childhood and a force to be reckoned with. But when the abuse is suppressed rather than healed through “the work” it can become self-destructive and destructive to those around the survivor/victim. It’s not an easy road. For some of us, our children become the inspiration to heal, grow, evolve and prepare them for the evil in this world. Wishing you an abundance of peace 🙏🏻🩷
@angeliqueschmidts2555
@angeliqueschmidts2555 10 дней назад
Did you see the grandmother’s interview? She seems so very cold - it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to find this is generational abuse
@helutkakizia9476
@helutkakizia9476 9 дней назад
@angeliqueschmidts2555 Hi Angelique my "Jen" had support she needed. She just chose to choose herself. 🤎
@missmiss5051
@missmiss5051 11 дней назад
I think stephan drove a wedge between jenn and madeline, because it was easy to do. Easy to manipulate both of them. I think Jenn was jealous of Madeline. I think stephan led madeline to believe they were in a "special relationship" and she finally, in that last year, figured it out.
@TheJilly1337
@TheJilly1337 10 дней назад
Triangulation is a typical tactic of narcissists so this makes total sense!
@basicallyno1722
@basicallyno1722 10 дней назад
I think Jenn knew what was going on. No amount of triangulation or manipulation on SS’s part can amend that.
@bethdurance4648
@bethdurance4648 10 дней назад
This is strongly what I have felt was happening.
@user-nt4oy8cu1n
@user-nt4oy8cu1n 5 дней назад
Yes 100%.
@Aozziegamer99
@Aozziegamer99 9 дней назад
Apart from the absolute tragedy of this child’s life what strikes me most is the number of missed opportunities. Her family, the school and the sub-tenants residing in the property with Madeline. Thank you for calling out the school counsellor. Professionals are often reluctant to criticise other professionals.
@user-nt4oy8cu1n
@user-nt4oy8cu1n 5 дней назад
Most people are cowards and lazy.
@debbymason4528
@debbymason4528 8 дней назад
Thank you for covering this horrible crime. My heart breaks for this sweet forgotten child. None of the adults in her life paid attention to her, her mother selfish not caring, the teachers, the school counselors, all let her down. The schools need to retrain everyone to be aware of the signs of abuse. Even the grandparents didnt help her, just disgusting in my opinion bring a grandparent myself. If yoyr child is crying and begging not to go home, dig deeper, listen!
@trishallen1546
@trishallen1546 11 дней назад
As a survivor of child abuse I knew what it was like to feel unheard and invisible . Dr. John your beautiful words at the end were so healing . Thanks to you and Lauren for all you do.
@LarryLegend3923
@LarryLegend3923 10 дней назад
Bless your kind soul
@juliak11.11
@juliak11.11 11 дней назад
It’s unbelievable in this day when Maddie tells a school counselor SS made her uncomfortable her first questions were not finding out, why did he make her uncomfortable, if he’s been touching her. IMO Maddie was wanting the counselor to know without having to tell her, I’m sure SS threatened her to not tell. I feel like JS was jealous of Maddie. There were red flags flying everywhere. Thank you Dr. John and Lauren for giving Maddie a voice. Rest in heaven sweet Madeline 🕊🩷
@Hootski79
@Hootski79 11 дней назад
Sure seems like people don’t give a F about the work they do. The school and home lives of kids can be so awful. To me the whole scenario with them screams SA.
@Tess-163
@Tess-163 11 дней назад
Counselors therapists and drs let Maddie down as well imo .
@luciaseacreature8705
@luciaseacreature8705 11 дней назад
I also picked up that Jen was jealous of her own child. How awful she did not attend her daughter's thirteenth birthday, a huge leap in a child's development. Telling Maddie she was going to kick her out when she turned thirteen. So sad it breaks my heart.
@luciaseacreature8705
@luciaseacreature8705 11 дней назад
@@Tess-163 it seems EVERY ONE failed every one...
@juliak11.11
@juliak11.11 11 дней назад
@@luciaseacreature8705 When your young time goes so slow, it’s horrifying to imagine this little girl suffering 7 years in that living hell. JS should also be in a jail cell.
@crashde5995
@crashde5995 11 дней назад
@Hidden True Crime when I was 14 I told my mom I was SA by my moms then husband…. She said “well you have to work through that by yourself.” I would love to tell my story. I am a 53 year old adult. My mom chose her husband over me. It was a long road to recovery. I have been through many trials in my life. I would love to help someone else that is experiencing what I have been through. Love you both so much! Thank you for giving us all a voice!!
@starflower703
@starflower703 11 дней назад
I am so sorry you had to go through that. I experienced it as well. It’s taken me many years and lots of counseling to work through it. My mother passed in December 2022 on hospice under my care. My mother’s loss has definitely stirred up all the feelings associated with the abuse, neglect, and blame. And despite everything I have experienced, I forgave my mother; because she was abused even worse as a child. Her father was an alcoholic and beat his children. Her mother withdrew to cope, neglecting her children. My grandmother’s brother molested my mother starting at age 12 that went on for over 4 years. It even happened once after she married my father. Thankfully my father confronted her abuser and told him he would never touch my mother again or he wouldn’t like my father’s reaction. My father wasn’t normally a violent man, but he put fear into the man abusing my mother and the abuse stopped. And when it happened to me, my father did everything he could to protect me and rescue me from the situation.
@crashde5995
@crashde5995 11 дней назад
@@starflower703 I got you! We have been through similar SHIZZ. Hidden true Crime has given me a platform/plane I feel Dave to share. We shall heel together! 🥰🫶🏼
@womanofsteel9276
@womanofsteel9276 11 дней назад
I’m so sorry for the way your mother betrayed you and for all your pain. ❤️ I’m sure you worked hard to get through it, I don’t know you, but I’m very proud of you. Please take good care of yourself, always. 🌸🙏🏻
@mshockey73
@mshockey73 11 дней назад
I'm so sorry that you were dismissed in such a cold hearted and uncaring way by your mother. You sound like a very caring and compassionate person. I wish you all the best.🥰
@mscarolynnigro
@mscarolynnigro 11 дней назад
I'm so sorry
@cdc3415
@cdc3415 8 дней назад
This poor girl had no 'safe place' in her life. So sad everything she went through. It's horrific that CSAM is literally rampant in this world & it's absolutely sickening.
@sj9410
@sj9410 День назад
No what's sickening is our lack of justice and punishment in regards to this nonsense
@smiles_14
@smiles_14 10 дней назад
Lauren, I'm glad you didn't apologize for crying while reading the powerful poem at the end. Your compassion and genuineness is a strength to your character.
@Mataylor17
@Mataylor17 11 дней назад
The length of time that poor little girl was being sexually abused makes any prior abuse or depression that Jen went through irrelevant. She’s either the most neglectful mother in the world, or she knowingly turned her back to her daughter’s suffering. The minute I saw that picture of Maddie at her birthday, I knew. I could see it all over her face. I understand the need to “understand” it, but as a mother I can’t and never will. My kids don’t get a scratch without me knowing. I worked hard every day of their lives to build up trust and a good relationship with them. I educated them on abuse and that they can always tell me and I will protect them, no matter what an abuser might say or threaten them with. And I have suffered from chronic clinical depression and anxiety. I have nearly given up on life at times. But I pulled myself back because of my kids. Almost Everyone has been through abuse of some kind. We all have pain. We can all be broken. But you don’t bring kids into this world, then let the world destroy them while you’re in the next room sleeping. The ONLY one I remotely care about in this entire story is Madeline. I’m so sorry everyone in your life failed you baby girl. Rest in peace knowing nobody will ever hurt you ever again. 😢
@paulajackson8416
@paulajackson8416 11 дней назад
If my daughter ever said some adult male made her uncomfortable, he would no longer be in the picture. I would seriously continue the conversations until I had more information. Dear God, no one helped her! 💔😢
@annegrasser377
@annegrasser377 11 дней назад
Violent sexual crime is rampant in this country. I am sickened , disgusted, and angry about it. Do many adults knew there was something strange going on with this child. Even this guy's mother knew he was sleeping with this child and confronted her mother about it. These single parents need to wise up about these things and should be held criminally responsible when they do nothing and these penalties need to be severe. There is no excuse for this....none.
@mandapanda6233
@mandapanda6233 11 дней назад
So true. Predators love to target vulnerable, single parents, just to manipulate and gain access to their young children. It's so disgusting and infuriating. But parents need to be more aware when bringing new people into their lives. Don't ignore the little red flags!
@SigMaQuint
@SigMaQuint 11 дней назад
His mother could also have alerted the childcare authorities.
@karenbaldry8096
@karenbaldry8096 10 дней назад
Absolutely agree with you. ThT poor child was ignored by everyone. The person who should of protected her the most was only concerned for herself. I despise both of these monsters. VILE CREATURES !
@BeReal1420
@BeReal1420 10 дней назад
@@karenbaldry8096 Dr John’s heartfelt concern that Maddie was “unseen” 😢❤ Even most of her friends from school choosing NOT to go to her Birthday Celebration just days b4 she’s murdered! Very TRAGIC STORY! STERNS MAY EVEN SEE THE DP FROM HIS JURY - FL JURIES DON’T PLAY NICE! SICK-SAD-SACK!
@lisaheltonhudson
@lisaheltonhudson 8 дней назад
Absolutely. It is disgraceful that women who are single parents, especially of girls, HAVE to have a man when these children need them to give them the attention they need... she wouldn't let her go to sleepovers with her girlfriends for fear of something weird happening, but yet let her daughter sleep with her boyfriend by herself. WTH?? It's disgusting and so neglectful. I was a single mom of a boy and I never had a man spend the night with me or have any contact with my son until he was in college. My son was far more important than a man but there are a lot of women that just cannot live without a man and they'll do anything to keep one.
@ButterflyGirl822
@ButterflyGirl822 10 дней назад
The one thing I can't get past is Jen sending her 13 year old daughter to share a bed with a 37 year old man. I have never even heard of a biological father sharing a bed with his 13 year old daughter. To me this is playing russian roulette with your childs safety and his a HUGE red flag. He should be on the couch and Maddie should be in the upstairs bedroom. The self-centered behaviors and intentionally sending your daughter to sleep in the same bed as a grown man should be grounds to arrest her for child endangerment at the very least. 😡
@pineywoodslawandcrime
@pineywoodslawandcrime 8 дней назад
At the very least. 🤬
@jergenswillilander1407
@jergenswillilander1407 4 дня назад
They would need to prove she had prior knowledge of the abuse. It's almost impossible to prove. I don't understand why ANY parent would allow their child to sleep with any adult other than a parent at any age. This is especially egregious between a 13 year old girl and a man known to be mentally and emotionally unstable. If she didn't know something was going on, it's just as bad IMO.
@tracy5570
@tracy5570 7 дней назад
I had a 12th grade teacher in 1985 who noticed a change in me during her class. My case was different, but something WAS wrong. I had gotten into drugs. She wasted no time calling my parents and let them know. That was the beginning of a road to recovery. Her name was Mrs. Snow. I thank God for her every day. I don't think teachers these days connect with their students the way they did then. So sad for Maddie that no one took the time to dig deeper ❤😢
@TinyRanter
@TinyRanter 6 дней назад
Schools are overwhelmed and underfunded.
@karismanavid1833
@karismanavid1833 5 дней назад
​@@TinyRanter what about the other adults in Maddie's life? Grandma, aunt, grandpa, SS's parents??? EVERY SINGLE ADULT FAILED MADDIE!!
@sj9410
@sj9410 День назад
That's completely different, that was your choice, sexual abuse is not a choice of the victim
@tracy5570
@tracy5570 День назад
@sj9410. I am well aware of the circumstances surrounding what happened to this poor girl. I was comparing the difference in schools/teachers, and you don't know how or why I ended up how I was. Sometimes, it is NOT a choice, and it is not who I am today. But that is NOT what my post was about. It's about how so many adults failed Maddie, that none of her teachers said anything until after it was over. So come on down off of your high horse, and look for the real meaning in people's posts. Jerk.
@LasPhoenix777
@LasPhoenix777 11 дней назад
I could’ve lived the rest of my life without knowing that all of her friends canceled on her birthday. It doesn’t sound like much to us adults, but to a 13-year-old girl it’s everything and then adding on the circumstances of the rest of her life. It is heart shattering.
@basicallyno1722
@basicallyno1722 10 дней назад
Probably didn’t want to be around Stephen
@notsorry3631
@notsorry3631 6 дней назад
That broke my heart. Her last birthday.
@kirstyventer6019
@kirstyventer6019 5 дней назад
That broke my heart too. Abandoned on her last birthday.
@miffylova
@miffylova 11 дней назад
This case has broke me.. I will never forget Maddie and I can’t even imagine what she endured..RIP angel
@DeeLish2000
@DeeLish2000 11 дней назад
All I can hope is that she was drugged or asleep when this abuse happened. Makes me so sick to think what she endured.
@melstiller8561
@melstiller8561 11 дней назад
Thank you, dear Lauren and Dr John, for having the courage to tackle one of the most difficult and heartbreaking cases in true crime. If Maddie was so shamefully ignored in life, we will make sure, as a caring community, that she's seen and clearly heard from now on. "My Name Is Maddie" is Madeline Soto's legacy, not mine; I'm merely a vessel for her message. Rest in peace with the angels, my sweet Maddie! 🙏😇
@wendywoobles
@wendywoobles 11 дней назад
Mel, such a beautiful poem for Maddie. Gut wrenching yet beautiful. She will have a legacy that was so brutally stolen from her. Thank you for writing the words that needed to be said for her ❤
@toribern816
@toribern816 11 дней назад
Beautiful poem Mel ❤
@melstiller8561
@melstiller8561 11 дней назад
@@wendywoobles -- Thank you so much for your very kind words, Wendy. Maddie deserves justice and deserves to be heard; and, if I managed to touch a few hearts with the words that I imagined she'd use, then I've done something worthwhile for Maddie.
@melstiller8561
@melstiller8561 11 дней назад
@@toribern816 -- Thank you very much, Tori. ❤
@MiaPuhar
@MiaPuhar 11 дней назад
After all the poem broke me...and I cried after a very long time. Thank you
@leahr5602
@leahr5602 9 дней назад
I really struggle with this case as an abused child myself, but i can watch Lauren and Dr. John because of how respectful they both are. Thank u for covering this case. I pray she gets the justice she so deserves.
@the-only-sonia
@the-only-sonia 9 дней назад
This is so sad and disgusting to me. I was abused and told my mother. She hold me not to tell anyone bc they would blame me when I was 4. The abuse continued. The consequence for this was immeasurable for me. However as a single mother, I never allowed a man to spend the night at my house. I had several conversations with my children about their bodies being their own and always telling if someone tried to touch them. Jen may be a victim but she still is a self centered narcissist that was more concetned with herself than her child. Nothing will erase that truth in my mind. She knew the risks and ignored them for her own self interest. Its hard for me to have any empathy for her. My empathy is reserved for Madeline.
@tinazaccagna1459
@tinazaccagna1459 10 дней назад
Stephan Stern‘s mother also insinuated that Madeline was precocious. But for a child to be precocious in the sexual way, that usually means something happened to them already that was confusing to them .God only knows what she was exposed to in that house .
@Nous520
@Nous520 10 дней назад
Not even insuate- She straight up said it. Oh that made me SO angry when she tried to soften it by dropping that in with a casual tone. That beast is most definitely a creation of her making.
@tinazaccagna1459
@tinazaccagna1459 10 дней назад
@@Nous520 I agree she enabled that 👿 his whole life
@unazitella702
@unazitella702 8 дней назад
There was an interview with one of SS previous roommates, and this man said that he found CSA images on the computer. That SS mother paid him off not to report it. I cannot find it online now.
@Lunartcy
@Lunartcy 10 дней назад
This case has bugged me since the first time I heard it. One night, I woke up and suddenly thought about Madeline, and I felt so depressed. I cried listening to this. Thank you, Lauren and John, for talking about this case and giving her a voice.
@TheSblore
@TheSblore 11 дней назад
I suffered from postpartum depression when my 1st was born. I got help immediately. You NEVER put a child’s safety over your own. Maddie’s Dad doesn’t get enough grief for this either. WHERE WAS HE?!
@Queen-Station
@Queen-Station 10 дней назад
Jennifer had married someone else. The father never knew. He was in the military. It was a one time thing. Advised after the fact and he had married too. He paid child support. All the toddler and younger photos of Madeline are provided by her father’s wife - side of the family. You do not know whether Jennifer withheld Madeline during periods from the father. The father lives in Texas. He has money constraints and he and his wife of many years did not have children. The father was as much as he could be in her life. (I believe Jennifer was abusing the welfare system and taking all kinds of medication. Why did her mother not pick up that she was being abused from photos as young as 8. Perhaps even younger).
@kweenz109
@kweenz109 10 дней назад
@@Queen-Stationyeah I don't like the blame on maddies dad. Many of us have to live away from our fathers, it doesn't mean he wasn't financially supporting or talking to her regularly. I lived 5 hours away from my dad but he was still the best he could be! I'm sure he has many regrets too.
@unazitella702
@unazitella702 8 дней назад
MS visited her Dad & stepmother, however Jen kept MS from them. There's an interview with MS father & his wife. They said that they would've loved to have MS with them full-time. It was early on in the case.
@lunaarcane5334
@lunaarcane5334 10 дней назад
Jennifer's ex-husband said that she had wanted him to sleep in bed with her and Maddie. He refused, saying it was inappropriate since he was not Maddie's father. This was pre-Stephan. She knew it was inappropriate. There is no way to convince me that she didn't know if what the ex-husband says is true.
@notsorry3631
@notsorry3631 6 дней назад
Any mother knows that instinctively. Just from being a young girl at some point, you know what men can be capable of with young girls and not to risk it. She knew.
@franceskrulac1302
@franceskrulac1302 10 дней назад
In all of the darkness, dr John’s ability to give voice to victims and boundless empathy is a true light. Thank you both of all you do.
@WJK2198
@WJK2198 11 дней назад
I am a survivor of CSA. This case has hit me pretty hard. I was bullied through 1st - 8th grade and it made my home-life so much worse. I told a teacher, my school principal and my mother knew. No one helped me. My mother protected my brother. People saw but they didn’t act. I’m 58 now and I cannot tell you how profoundly it affected me. I forgave my abuser but never my mother. The woods, the bear and all the horror of the woods would have been my choice as well.
@TheJilly1337
@TheJilly1337 11 дней назад
Here on replay. I have to take this case in small doses because of how sad it is and how sick SS makes me. Thank you for covering this. Maddie deserved so much better! 💜
@JudiT55
@JudiT55 11 дней назад
Same for me. 💜 Thank oddness men like Dr. John are in this world. I could never do that work, not when kids are involved.
@cindydalton9608
@cindydalton9608 11 дней назад
I honestly believe that Jenn knew what was going on.She had to at least notice the change in Maddie.I know that Jenn has bipolar, but so does millions of other people.I have it and I never neglected my daughter. That's probably why she lawyered up immediately.
@liss8595
@liss8595 11 дней назад
Same! I would definitely not act the way Jen did, he would be in prison! There is NO way Jen didn't know, or even argue about him eating all the food ect on what Maddie had told the counselor yet she made her child sleep on the same bed! Not in a million years would I ever allow a man sleep on the same bed with any of my children Male or female. She just wanted to keep him around so she gave her daughter away. Probably blamed Maddie for his disgusting perversion towards this poor angel. RIP Maddie you deserve loved, nurtured and protected.
@alisonkalbskopf6817
@alisonkalbskopf6817 11 дней назад
I don’t think Jenn noticed anything but Stephan
@liss8595
@liss8595 11 дней назад
@@alisonkalbskopf6817 I disagree, there was a reason why she seemed to dislike her own child.
@liss8595
@liss8595 11 дней назад
@@alisonkalbskopf6817 I disagree, there was a reason why she seemed to dislike her own child.
@Who-Dunnit
@Who-Dunnit 10 дней назад
​@@alisonkalbskopf6817 i dont think she noticed him too much either. She only noticed herself. Her sleep, her schedule, her rest, her peace.
@dawnscheerhoorn9583
@dawnscheerhoorn9583 6 дней назад
I 1000% blame Jennifer Soto. She GAVE her daughter to this creep!
@PoliticalJunky101
@PoliticalJunky101 10 дней назад
He was drugging her. My heart hurts for Maddie 💔❤️ How does a mother let this happen to their child? I blame Jen too. As for him, hope he rots in jail. RIP sweet angel 🙏🕊️
@kaimahealani9686
@kaimahealani9686 10 дней назад
One more point, Parents Please stop allowing boyfriends to be around your children. He began at her young age of 6 in my opinion and maybe didn’t start filming until later that we know of. My mother was stunning and never had me meet a boyfriend. My mum or grandparents were with me. Same with my kids. When my daughter felt uncomfortable around a teacher I listened and acted. Taught my kids to listen to their gut. Kids KNOW when people are “weird”. Listen to that. They’re telling you that person is creepy or weird that is Significant. Those are kids way of saying Child Predator.
@notsorry3631
@notsorry3631 6 дней назад
Children are something like 80% more likely to be abused or killed in a home with a step parent figure than with both parents or just a single parent. People need to stay with the other parent until the kids are grown. Make your choice and stick with it. As long as that person is a good parent, you won the lottery these days.
@kaimahealani9686
@kaimahealani9686 5 дней назад
@@notsorry3631 💯
@hannahwalker7221
@hannahwalker7221 11 дней назад
I hope Madeline knows the love the rest of the world has for her. It’s sad that it is only retrospective of her suffering and death, and she could not know that kind love in life.
@TheJilly1337
@TheJilly1337 10 дней назад
It is so sad how overlooked she was in her life only to be a headline due to her monster's abuse. It's so, so sad. 😢
@LadyGodiva771
@LadyGodiva771 11 дней назад
Heart wrenching, sickening, yet Dr John covers it so eloquently and with so much compassionate wisdom. Thank you both for your work. Love to Madeline.
@wickedbeekeeper
@wickedbeekeeper 10 дней назад
"A relationship with the child is not reciprocal", such a profound statement!!!
@johannebeaudoin1848
@johannebeaudoin1848 10 дней назад
Many parents were abused as young children but choose not to abuse their offspring.
@notsorry3631
@notsorry3631 6 дней назад
FACTS
@tauresattauresa7137
@tauresattauresa7137 6 дней назад
But some do 😢
@Onionja_
@Onionja_ 11 дней назад
BTW. As an SA survivor by my father, I am crushed to see Jennifer’s complicity. How many of us have to choose between the the one we hate and the one we want to love but who doesn’t protect us. My age belies my ability to forgive and comprehend. Poor Madeline. I have no empathy for the Jennifer or Stephen.
@LoveFlowers1
@LoveFlowers1 11 дней назад
Everyone in her life in Madeline's life let her down... like you sd no one..no one saw her...even her own Grandmother.. (Jennifer's mother) pushed Madeline away ...ignored what she was expressing.... Maddie told her grandmother she didn't want to be at her own home...and that grandmother..told her to go back home.... unbelievable... Madeline was begging for help and NO ONE heard her crys.. 😭
@melissaw4336
@melissaw4336 11 дней назад
I have 4 daughters and this story has just broken my heart. The way the mother ignored every sign. To say it was ADHD or autism… to her mother “your boyfriend was abusing your daughter!!!” To SS mother too “your son was abusing Madeline!!” As a mother, JS and SS mom needs to do soul searching about why Madeline was acting the way she did. I’m so so sad for madeline not being seen as the beautiful girl she was, and her abuse signs being seen as an ADHD or autism diagnosis.
@marioorozco322
@marioorozco322 8 дней назад
I could only imagine, I have no kids and this case infuriates the SHIT outta me
@chilo8187
@chilo8187 3 дня назад
Girls and women with ADHD and ASD, and disabilities, are also more likely to be abused statistically than their neurotypical counterparts. This is important to recognize. It is hard to determine you’re correct as some of the symptoms of trauma can look similar to the traits of those disorders. I myself was one such girl. Because of developmental issues we are easier targets and often neglected or emotionally and physically abused by teachers and at home.
@BassBoss101
@BassBoss101 10 дней назад
"Sleepy days" noticed by teachers absolutely breaks my heart! We all know why Maddie was getting no sleep...why didn't they question it? 😡
@HettiedeKorteDiplomaat
@HettiedeKorteDiplomaat 6 дней назад
She only needed one grown-up who recognized the signs of an abused child who was totally neglected by the most important person in her life: her mother. Just one grown-up. I wish I could have saved her. ❤
@aimeefoscante-gwatney4161
@aimeefoscante-gwatney4161 11 дней назад
Yes, this case fills me with sorrow. Madi was not cherished, loved, or protected. It is so upsetting that her last birthday sucked. Thank you for your analysis. 😢💔
@lisafowler6278
@lisafowler6278 11 дней назад
I have cried almost all the way through this, and I seldom cry. I figured out that my crying is about you two, Lauren and John, and the goodness that is in you. I appreciate both of you so much, and I’m thankful to have found you. You’re a bright light in a weary world.
@rebeccagomez4874
@rebeccagomez4874 11 дней назад
ALSO JENN SOTO SAID "MADDIE AND STEPHAN SLEPT ALONE ENOUGH TIMES TO COUNT ON MY TWO HANDS"... SHE KNEW!
@Teressa690
@Teressa690 10 дней назад
@rebeccagomez4874 Yes so, that would mean JS would have been there in bed during the years of abuse. Right there in the same bed beside them. IMO
@Teressa690
@Teressa690 10 дней назад
Yes so that would mean that JS was present during all the years of the abuse in the same bed , except for the handful of times. IMO
@kweenz109
@kweenz109 10 дней назад
They even slept all together with MADDIE IN THE MIDDLE!! Any decent man would be opposed to that. Jenn is useless and complicit.
@southernbridal
@southernbridal 10 дней назад
Any mother should be opposed to that
@mauraabate8874
@mauraabate8874 9 дней назад
I’m a child clinical psychologist and Dr. John makes me proud. Thank you both for another great episode. 👏
@tiffanytriplett4494
@tiffanytriplett4494 8 дней назад
My mother was abused. She wouldn’t even let my dad give me baths. Or hold me after 3. She never left me alone with any males! And so much more. I was very confused when uncles would try to swing me around and she would freak out. She also made me lock my bedroom door at night. As a young adult I didn’t understand why I was always looking for male attention and finding any kind of male attention being good attention. After years of therapy and having counseling with my mother as an adult we have worked through trauma. But I still find myself seeking validation and attention from my husband or getting crazy ideas that he doesn’t love me when he shows me daily. I call my therapist when this happens so I can work through it!
@deensama7718
@deensama7718 11 дней назад
People might think the 13th birthday party is insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but I can guarantee it was crushing to Maddie. When you're someone who has a messed up relationship with your parents, particularly when you develop abandonment issues (though this can happen with a lot of traumas that develop in childhood) is that every.single.time you get ditched, rejected, abandoned, etc. it FEELS much, much worse and much more crushing than most people would think. The reason is because you're bearing the weight of every time you were abandoned before, and it drags you down CONSTANTLY. It's already too much for you, and you're barely managing to hold your head up day in, day out. When you're in a spot like that, even a FEATHER could land on your head and you would collapse under the weight. I guess that's one thing that I don't hear talked about enough: complex traumas have a cumulative impact on your psyche. Each new incident drives the trauma deeper, and unless you're able to fully process and work through it, each new incident is literally reopening that wound and the accumulated pain that comes with it. This is why we often see what seems like disproportionate emotional responses from those who have complex trauma
@user-nt4oy8cu1n
@user-nt4oy8cu1n 5 дней назад
Is it possible, the friends did not want to encounter SS at the birthday party?
@terijo67
@terijo67 11 дней назад
Thank you for giving Madeline a voice. Her story could be mine and it makes me sad that she went through all that she did. My mother's boyfriend did the same thing. My mother said nothing, seeming to encourage us to be in the same bed. i was only 12. She told me that if I ever told anyone she would go to jail. I finally had enough. He was very abusive. If I flinched at his ss, he would hit me. Once, I asked my mom for a hair cut. He got so angry, he cut my hair, making the bangs so short they were nonexistent. I didn't want any of it. I too was ready to escape to the woods. I felt at home there because no one could touch me or hurt me there (at least, that was my reasoning). I finally told a pastor's wife when it got so bad I couldn't stand it anymore. I begged her to not report it because I didn't want my mother to go to jail. (I wish she had done the right thing, but I don't blame her. she was trying to help a child). She was able to find my aunt and get me out of there, but the damage was done. The church came down on me for being "promiscuous" even though I was 12 and had no desire whatsoever to have that done to me. My aunt kept accusing me of looking at her sons but that was totally not true. As an adult, I went to my mother and asked why. She swore she didn't remember any of it and asked me why I would think she could ever do that. I have no idea if she had selective memory or if she was just trying to make me think I had lost my mind. She is gone now. I gave her the benefit of a doubt and I loved her, but I still live with the pain she allowed in the place I should have felt safe. I say this all because I think that Madeline's mom knew what was happening, but I don't think she knew he was going to do what he did. As a mom, I would never allow that to happen to my children.
@teresacorrigan3076
@teresacorrigan3076 11 дней назад
Teri what a tragic horrible experience you survived. I am so shocked and sorry. 😢
@cathysoo2350
@cathysoo2350 11 дней назад
Teri, I am sorry. I'm glad that you somehow survived. God Bless You . Thank you for sharing.
@truecrimeparalegal4421
@truecrimeparalegal4421 10 дней назад
I’ve been in the field for 20+ years. Felony Division & Grand Jury Coordinator for the County I live in. I felt I had seen the most evil possible & couldn’t see worse. Then, the Watts tragedy occurred. I still cannot wrap my head around that case. Now…Madeline. 💔. These beautiful children deserved so much more. Their whole lives ahead of them. This “mother” failed her daughter in so many ways. The price of her failure ultimately cost her daughter her life. I realize she is mentally ill. However, I find it extremely difficult to believe that she didn’t know what was happening IN HER OWN HOME. JS needs to be held accountable. Period. God bless Madeline Soto 💜🙏💜
@kellywilkins2397
@kellywilkins2397 10 дней назад
Im feeling all of this. In 1977 my first year at school i was going through S.A, P.A and E.A....i would cry at school if i had to go to the bathroom because it stung. I would cry because i didn't want to go home. The problem was all the abuse was directed at me, NOBODY saw it. I had to lie about bruises etc i wouldn't speak every school report said i was far too timid and shy. On top of that i was told i was naturally talented at most of what i did and my mum HATED it so she hid it and told people i was the opposite useless an idiot etc this went on till i was kicked on the streets at 14. NOBODY CARED not the police NOBODY...and this is still happening im 52 i have NOBODY and Nothing i struggle everyday with horrific memories like almost being stabbed to death in my sleep at 14 which is why i had to get out anyway. But it was dangerous on the streets too. Safety, love, affection there things i will never know. When are things going to get better. When a&%se isnt a dirty word might help. Stop making these things feel like dirty words it makes it harder to talk about. PLEASE tell children the truth.
@pineywoodslawandcrime
@pineywoodslawandcrime 8 дней назад
I’m so sorry you were in/are in this kind of nightmare. I hope and pray you find love, safety, and peace. 🙏
@shameemawilliams2086
@shameemawilliams2086 8 дней назад
Dr John you have such empathy. As a survivor of CSA I felt like you were not only talking about Maddie but myself and every other child abused. I am new to HTC because I find some of the 'leading channels' on this case to be repetitive or exploitative and lacking this kind of insight and true empathy. Thank you❤
@yloshaw
@yloshaw 11 дней назад
Maybe the friends parents thought Mr wierdo would be at the party and told their kids not to go. It's a shame she didn't at least have a happy 13th birthday. Poor little girl!
@radvibes
@radvibes 10 дней назад
Maybe the parents of those kids will eventually be interviewed
@yloshaw
@yloshaw 10 дней назад
@@radvibes i hope so
@fridaytieday
@fridaytieday 10 дней назад
I had the same thought. I think everyone hated him and JS got isolated from her family and friends because of him.
@suefairbrother3556
@suefairbrother3556 11 дней назад
To be fair to the school counselor,when Madeline said SS made her uncomfortable, Madeline kind of shrugged it off and said he hangs out in the lounge and eats their food. Also not only did JS not go to the birthday party, Madeline told her friend that JS didn't get her a present. Some people have commented that maybe JS couldn't afford it, yet when SS told his father he was going to stay with JS for a week and his father replied that he wasn't going to fund the trip, SS told him JS was paying for it.
@basicallyno1722
@basicallyno1722 10 дней назад
Counselor should have asked more pointed questions.
@hippiebits2071
@hippiebits2071 10 дней назад
@@suefairbrother3556 Constantly hanging out and eating their food might annoy a child, especially one who isn’t having their emotional needs met by their parent but instead she used the word “uncomfortable” which is telling. If anything her follow up narrative should have hoisted the red flags further as it did not align with what one would have expected as an answer given the vocabulary of her initial statement. Of course her discomfort around him would not have necessarily suggested S/A right off the bat as that could be caused by a number of things but it definitely deserved a deeper look at least to the point of a reasonably plausible explanation given by the child.
@carol-l8u
@carol-l8u 11 дней назад
I don't think we can trust anything Jenn says. Jenn found photo/s on his phone of Maddie when they first met and they both blamed M for taking the photo/s. The friend says they did have a physical relationship. Jenn said the abuse of Maddie wasn't evil, ending her life was evil. That's an odd thing for an innocent mother to say. Sounds like she may have been excusing her involvement. Also, there have been some very questionable things said about Sterns relationship with his mother by friends and in her letter to him in prison, she talks about not just blaming Jenn, but how she would never basically squeal on anyone and how awful that would be. She sure didn't mean Jenn so sounds like she meant herself.
@LoveFlowers1
@LoveFlowers1 11 дней назад
Wow you honestly brought a very interesting 🤔 point... SS did say that they punished her for finding inappropriate pictures..but that cld have been his pictures that he took of her...and Jenn blame her own daughter..rather than look further into it and see why was her daughter doing this and if Maddie had denied it than she shld have kicked SS out .. because who else wld do.that to her..wow..u really open my eyes on this...cuz Jenn shld had notice the red flags from that point on....😢
@southernbridal
@southernbridal 10 дней назад
​@LoveFlowers1 may I respectfully make the.point that you also did not see it. How3ver in hinsight after someone enlightend you. You can see the situation for its worth. That's sometimes how it is for a.mentally 7nstable person. They didn't see the danger until after. She was problsbly j7st gaslit by steph a n and chose to ignore her warning bells which because of her own trauma may not ring as loud as yours Hindsight
@carol-l8u
@carol-l8u 10 дней назад
@@southernbridal That's one outlook, after looking at the glut of the evidence, and it's a lot, including Jenn saying about the man who horrifically abused and unalived her daughter that him abusing he wasn't evil, just offing her was evil, her eagerness to protect him while showing no such concern for her daughter, etc, I quite reasonably believe she willfully allowed the abuse at best and may have actively participated. Who sees an inappropriate picture of their tiny daughter's private parts (and that's what I have been led to believe it was) on her boyfriends phone and lets that go by chiding the child?
@candydodson1283
@candydodson1283 10 дней назад
Thank you for doing this. Maddy’s story is heartbreaking. Maddy was so vulnerable for a predator because she wanted and needed attention and in a sick, inappropriate way, Stephan gave that to her while her mother was completely disconnected.
@juliearnold5832
@juliearnold5832 9 дней назад
This story is so sad. It’s like her mom sacrificed her to keep the man. I think she should be charged with child neglect at the least but probably more. It sounds like her mom was just over it when it came to dealing with her. Maddie must have felt like a throw away, like trash, knowing her mom didn’t care.
@frankshaw7307
@frankshaw7307 11 дней назад
Oh and that he threw away her "Rescue Inhaler" speaks volumes.......
@kathrynpaigebabin
@kathrynpaigebabin 11 дней назад
I appreciate you touching on the gender bias of parenting and failure to protect laws. I ask, if Jennifer was so crippled by mental illness that Maddie’s father couldn’t handle the marriage anymore, why then is leaving Madeline in her care not also considered failure to protect?? Is it fair that these fathers can sit back and take condolences next to their newer family while the struggling single mothers face a witch hunt for being a ‘failure’ to protect? Just food for thought. I hope we can have a future where we look out for the kids of single mothers better. It takes a tribe, it really does, especially when mental illness is involved. Sometimes I feel like if we supported our mothers and women better, we might see less children picked off by psychopaths.
@jenicarter4190
@jenicarter4190 11 дней назад
Great comment 😢
@beautifulmermaid718
@beautifulmermaid718 11 дней назад
The husband that left wasn’t Maddie’s father. It was another man that had a child of his own that left and got his child to safety. Maddie’s Dad lives in Texas I believe and still yet to understand why he left her in Jenn’s complete care.
@basicallyno1722
@basicallyno1722 10 дней назад
That ex husband wasn’t Maddie’s bio father. He was a stepdad who had his own child. Maddie’s bio dad was never married to Jenn and lived in another state. To suggest that people angry at Jenn is a “witch hunt” is insulting. She seriously neglected her daughter and actively put her in harm’s way. Bipolar doesn’t take away your god-given ability to discern that your child sleeping with your boyfriend is a bad idea. It doesn’t make you lie to the police about the last time you saw your daughter alive…
@southernbridal
@southernbridal 10 дней назад
​@@beautifulmermaid718he was actually Stephan's friend and they continued communicating and sometimes he would visit
@pennylane8401
@pennylane8401 9 дней назад
@@southernbridalJenn’s ex (not bio dad) only became “friends” with SS, after he divorced Jenn, to stay in Maddie’s life. He did try to continue a relationship with them, so Maddie could still talk to his daughter. He tried to befriend SS, by playing video games online, but then they had an argument, and he stopped speaking to him. The bio dad was a one night thing and he lived in TX. He got married and Jenn rarely let Maddie speak to him, but he did pay child support.
@lianehihath3439
@lianehihath3439 11 дней назад
Dr. John you exude so much compassion. Bless you.
@debdonner9404
@debdonner9404 10 дней назад
Holy smokes! Dr J provided so much info about why a mother might not protect their kid that he's given me some language and understanding of my own mother. Kind of allows me to have some compassion for Jen when all I had for her was contempt. This is all just absolutely heart wrenching.
@pixiepancake4970
@pixiepancake4970 9 дней назад
As a teacher, I experienced multiple frustrating situations with troubled children. A child cannot even be seen by a school social worker or psychologist without a parent’s permission. Did I suspect that some of these children were being abused? I did. But without an outcry or obvious physical injuries, my hands were tied. I had no power to intervene. A feeling is not a fact. I KNEW something was wrong, but I couldn’t prove it. I was rebuffed by administrators. No one will confront a parent without evidence. They’re afraid to act. I can’t coax a confession. You’d think that we would be a child’s safety net. We were not. Ultimately, the parents have all the power, and almost universally, their children will cover for them.
@SisterGoldenHair212
@SisterGoldenHair212 8 дней назад
True but I know many who would call LEvir CPS and remain anonymous!!! I know b/c I did it & within 3 days COS came to their home & ended up taken all 3 children. There is always around the system just like criminals do. Lesson for all….again you can remain anonymous!
@michellemargagliotti8035
@michellemargagliotti8035 11 дней назад
The counselor said he made her feel uncomfortable, but mom said she wanted to spend time with him. Poor Maddie was forced to grow up way too fast. I do think her story has touched so many because there are too many living in unsafe homes. Have peace now Maddie
@finalflowerchild
@finalflowerchild 10 дней назад
Children Protective Services feed of the poor, they think twice about messing with a person who can afford an Attorney.
@PatternSeeker...
@PatternSeeker... 11 дней назад
Having worked as a trauma counselor, I can say that there is no absolute formula regarding trauma response, only generalities. Although many people who survived violent/dangerous childhood trauma may become hypervigilant as adults, even to the extent of seeing aggression/anger/danger where none exists, others have the opposite reaction, seemingly unable to identify dangerous situations or establish boundaries. While we expect people who were abused/traumatized as children to become ultra protective of their own children, the opposite may occur, especially if when growing up their own trauma was minimized. If a child is subjected to SA, and is repeatedly told by adults they turn to that they brought it upon themselves, or that "it happens," or "that's just how men are," they are far less likely to be able to protect their own child from what has been normalized for them. Understanding does not equal condoning, but it can temper justice with compassion, in some cases.
@southernbridal
@southernbridal 10 дней назад
Thank you this is so true. Establishing safe boundaries for myself and my children is a lifelong struggle, especially if you are empathetic towards others. If you never learned to be tuned in correctly to signs and dangers , you must first become aware.of those dangers not minimise denie, blame self we must have explored our own selves a little before we understand the full danger. I love 5he comment some one made above, it takes a tribe to raise a fam8ly, and we all should embrace the single mom's in shared support of them raising happy adjusted children.
@pineywoodslawandcrime
@pineywoodslawandcrime 8 дней назад
I agree with your comment, but, in this case, I see no room in my heart, or in the justice system, to show compassion for this man.
@barbbeulah7139
@barbbeulah7139 8 дней назад
Thanks for you comment pattern, my children's father is a victim of r as a child and further sa, he has massive blind spots and is totally neglectful of his own children
@PatternSeeker...
@PatternSeeker... 7 дней назад
@@pineywoodslawandcrime I'm not feeling it for him, either. But with the current evidence, I do feel some for the mother, although as I said, understanding doesn't mean I condone her actions in any way.
@PatternSeeker...
@PatternSeeker... 7 дней назад
@@barbbeulah7139 I'm sorry to hear that. I hope he has/will find a good trauma therapist, and that he's a good father in other ways.
@kaimahealani9686
@kaimahealani9686 10 дней назад
Thank you for this❤ This is not just red flags 🚩 It’s literally like Maddie is saying I need help and I don’t know how to tell you because my mother will choose Stefan. Counselors Teachers please use this as a wake up call. You are mandated reporters. Sexual abuse is not seen by bruises. Thank you so much for being the compassionate voice for Maddie and all victims.
@MayraPena-mz7kq
@MayraPena-mz7kq 10 дней назад
Omg Somnophilia sounds very scary imagine how battled her little body felt the next day trying to have a normal day at school and you cannot focus in school. Poor baby may she rest in peace in heaven baby girl your no longer around those two monsters and justice will be served regardless if Jen doesn’t get charged god seen everything.
@thesingerintheshower
@thesingerintheshower 5 дней назад
I love that I can hear Dr. John crying, or almost crying, as he recounts Madeline's horrible experiences because I am crying, too, and I'm so grateful that he is sharing her story with compassion and respect, which she didn't even get from her own mom!!!!
@shadoejones3288
@shadoejones3288 10 дней назад
Thank you for giving Madeline a voice. I was struggling for so long, years, and even developed laryngitis because I felt I didn't have a voice. It wasn't until I swallowed a bottle of pills at 15 before someone took notice. The Dr insisted I see a psychologist and HE saved my life. I was assaulted by someone living in my household. It was my faith that got me through and the knowledge i had younger siblings to look after. My heart breaks for her. Thank you.❤ I just want to say just because someone hasn't been prosecuted or found guilty in a court of law doesn't mean they are not a sex offender
@richdenisevangessel1999
@richdenisevangessel1999 11 дней назад
My mother stayed with her 2nd husband after he abused my two older sisters and me, because she didn't want to be alone.
@MKUltra42
@MKUltra42 11 дней назад
I’m so sorry. I absolutely cannot understand women like this. My kids dad and I have been separated for almost 8 years now and I promised them that I would NEVER bring a man into their home while they lived here. At this point, I don’t care if I ever do. I enjoy my time with them and I enjoy my time alone when they’re with dad. There is NOTHING more important than making sure they feel happy and safe and at peace in their own home.
@pineywoodslawandcrime
@pineywoodslawandcrime 8 дней назад
I’m so sorry you dealt with such abuse. Your Mom was wrong for that. Prayers for peace. 🙏
@ishbelback7650
@ishbelback7650 11 дней назад
Personally, I'm not fooled by the mothers totally false facial blank expression. The lying about the time line speaks volumes. She is complicit in madelines death. Filling the girl with meds detrimental to her health.
@frockabyebabyshabbychic2611
@frockabyebabyshabbychic2611 10 дней назад
It’s always such a relief to hear from Dr John when it comes to these perplexing and disturbing crimes and to hear educated, intelligent comment with no agenda other than truth.
@kristagardner8303
@kristagardner8303 10 дней назад
Dr. John is someone I would want on my side. What a blessing to those in his life.
@PeaceBeeWithYou
@PeaceBeeWithYou 11 дней назад
Been following this case so closely as an adult who somehow survived being an invisible child. I was emotionally neglected completely, physically to a large extent, often not fed, fending for myself in practically every way. By 14 I started to tell school counselors but I was being abused, but because my mom was attractive and well-spoken. (Covert narcissist), I wasn’t believed. She also kept telling them I needed to see the school’s psychiatrist. No diagnosis as she’d hoped for but I was deeply depressed and suicidal, avoiding home, running away, cutting so much school I barely graduated, staying at any friend’s as long as possible. I feel for Maddie because she was ME. I would’ve welcomed living in the woods then too. RIP sweet Madeline.
@maryarmstrong2231
@maryarmstrong2231 10 дней назад
I’m so glad I came back to you guys and your channel after a Daybell break. This is exactly the coverage and analysis this case deserves. Poor sweet sad girl. Sending you all and all the Gems love from South Korea ❤
@jellyBeans146
@jellyBeans146 11 дней назад
what about Jenn's statement that the SA was not evil, but the murder is evil?
@annetteormello9941
@annetteormello9941 9 дней назад
I just discovered your channel, and I have seen many you tubers analyze this case, but, I have to say Dr. John’s explanation was so interesting, no one has explained it like he did. So many dynamics , thank you.
@juliemendelsohn3306
@juliemendelsohn3306 8 дней назад
Dr. John explained CSA incredibly well, and it was the first time that I was able to understand why my (now ex) "boyfriend/fiance" abused my twelve year old {at the time of first inappropriate contact} daughter for two years! I didn't suspect a thing, and all my friends and family adored this "sensitive caring soul." Luckily my daughter found her voice, five years after the abuse ended, told myself, and reported him to the proper authorities. Now we await his trial. My deepest gratitude to Dr. John for exploring the reasoning for this horrible behavior. I now can begin to understand why my "soulmate" of close to twenty years chose to throw a bomb of chaos, shame and intense betrayal into our entire family.
@HiddenTrueCrime
@HiddenTrueCrime 8 дней назад
We’re so sorry this happened to you and your daughter
@pineywoodslawandcrime
@pineywoodslawandcrime 8 дней назад
I’m so sorry. 🙏
@Ms.CarolineLR
@Ms.CarolineLR 10 дней назад
This is a wonderful collaboration thank you! 💛💛 At 28:00 discussion, I just wanted to add that in ongoing interviews Jen acknowledged that what she referred to as hearing Madeleine could have in fact been anyone. She was only hearing movement.
@HiddenTrueCrime
@HiddenTrueCrime 10 дней назад
Thanks for sharing!!
@angela2283
@angela2283 11 дней назад
Stop these people, only we can do this. Thank you for your intellect and empathy with this very complicated case.
@tinazaccagna1459
@tinazaccagna1459 11 дней назад
Thank you so much Lauren and Dr John . This case has shredded. Me . I never had a daughter I have a son that I love and adore . I wish I had a daughter like Madeline . 💚💜
@TheJilly1337
@TheJilly1337 10 дней назад
Thank you for this info on somnipholia. I was a victim of this after a normal 6 year relationship with a partner. It was so horrific and confusing at the time. If I ever woke up, he would stop and deny it happened. I thought i was going crazy. I had to pretend to be asleep long enough to catch him fully just to prove to myself that it was really happening because I was so gaslit. I wonder if Maddie did that too. 💙 💜
@rulenevandersteen7835
@rulenevandersteen7835 10 дней назад
Thank you ever so much Lauren and Dr John. The two of you are brilliant together. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and insight about all these things with us, Dr John. This way we can also understand why such terrible things happen. Lauren , thank you for sharing the poem with us, even though it was extremely hard to do. Take care and stay safe. Rulene, South Africa ❤✨
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