Psychology of TYRION LANNISTER | therapist breaksdown Game of Thrones/ASOIAF character 

Yeah, I vaguely hinted but, in hindsight, it's the perfect example to emphasise. Maybe I'll comeback to it in Jaime's video

That's because D&D have absolutely no idea how to write for different characters, especially intelligent ones. Notice that after they ran out of source material, basically every single character was written the same way. Gone were the nuances that make each so fun to read and journey with, as they only served to babble exposition and move their garbage version of the story to the next plot point, which usually involved as much CGI and spectacle possible to hopefully distract casual/dim viewers from the lack of cohesive storytelling. Suddenly, Tyrion's charm and sarcastic wit vanished as he became the bland hand! Remember when Littlefinger and Varys were playing the game at a level higher than anyone else? Nah, they both uttered flat dialogue as they made the most obvious errors that were the polar opposite of how they had always operated.etc.

In the book I lost all sympathy for Tyrion when he killed Shay. He's a villian through and through. A sympathetic compelling villain to be sure at least in the beginning.

@@scottbrowne9024 He'll likely be a negative influence on Daenerys if he comes to work for her

@@scottbrowne9024 she earned that choking

@@shadowbannedaccont9479 she's a literal child! She was a peasant being coerced by nobles! She had no choice! Tyrion knew his father Tyrion knew his sister... He knew she was going to be used against him and he held it against her. Shay did not deserve to die!

He didn't take Maester Pycelle's Poisons did he?

@@Argos-xb8ek Yeah, he used one to (mildly) poison Cersei. Edit: The moment he poisons her is when he's letting her know Renly and Stannis are at war with each other (Clash of Kings, chapter 25 if you wanna check it out)

@@akashika I know he gave her sweet sleep to keep her drowsy and weak but then I thought Pycelle said he stole Tears of Lys too

@@Argos-xb8ek Pycelle just listed the poisons that were missing, there's also Widow's blood which could have been used to poison Tywin before Tyrion killed him. (mostly a fantheory but I find it compelling at least). the idea I was trying to get across though is if he never stole a poison from Pycelle, he'd have more of a defence for not stealing the others, not that he actually stole all the poisons Pycelle lists

White they were all speaking the truth, it was taken out of context and clearly distorted in his sisters favour. Many of them knew very well how out of context what they were saying was.

this is fucking brilliant

Wow, I always thought of Tysha as like "representing something," But you're right. For all we know she's still alive, so she could actually play an active role in the plot still.

There's a theory that in the books she's a certain prostitute in Bravos who will only sleep with patrons after she marries them (then annuls the marriage a few days later) this prostitute also talks wistfully about waiting for her husband to return. I think its implied she's not quite sane either. Admittedly she's probably just a random character but I kinda hope this prostitute does turn out to be Tysha

Tyrion self pities himself so much he feels no true empathy for her. It's the one thing that makes me really hate him, It's as if his pain over thinking she was a whore was more than Tysha literally being raped by a dozen men and then the love of her life... I hate men with these mindsets. How on earth does Tyrion make himself a victim when he raped his lover. Like no matter what, even if she was a whore, he raped her... He really doesn't think of her as a sentient person just a character in his story. I feel like everything about Tyrion is excusable but this. I hope he pays for it in the end and Tysha is alive and faces him off and he realises how much he killed another person's soul and only thought of himself. I feel like if Tyrion saw Tysha again he would want to jump into her arms without thought that he killed her mentally and emotionally if she's alive. Seeing her coldly turn him down and tell him exactly what he did to her would be sweet. Hopefully it would break Tyrion enough to see the truth of his ways

@@Shannon-vv6rr "Men can't ever be victims of sexual abuse" Wom*n moment. How classy.

exactly. I think it was touched on a bit in the video, but he claims, or at least implies, and thinks, that he wears it like armor, when he really does (understandably) wear it more like a chip on his shoulder, always trying to outwit and insult those that "poke the bear", so to speak, so that he can feel power, even if humiliating and enraging them in the process. that being said, and in his defense, I think that cersei and tywin were the ones that hated him from the get go, and maybe slightly sealed his fate as a result. bc try as he might to embrace being a dwarf And a Lannister with his uncle(s?) encouraging his tumbling and dragon dreams and adventuring spirit, tywin was always there to quash those paths, and lead him only towards being a bitter and cruelly cunning man like himself, while cersei was always there to put him down as well, and lower any self worth he tried to gain for himself. so while he may have done many wrongs later on in life, his self victimization still began from a cycle of him Knowing that they hate him, when he 'never did anything wrong' in the first place. I worry that this just sounds like more of tyrion's own self victimization, or justifications, but I guess I've just always been able to sympathize with his justifications, and tended to believe them? like, sure he ousts slynt to kind of get rid of cersei/baelish's pawn, but in addition to doing it for his own protection as new (temp) Hand, he also tells himself that he's doing it as Justice for Ned and the Starks against his evil sister/nephew, and the evil regime that he's "being forced" to Lead. even going so far as to ensure his bones are sent back to winterfell. almost specifically For Catelyn. despite her arresting him and starting this war on false info, he really doesn't bear much ill will towards her. he gets where she's coming from, and sees how she acts with lysa, and so instead is only ever bitter towards lysa, who more honestly deserves it. and he never even follows through with his threats towards the Vale. he could've armed the mountain clans and sent waves of berserkers and lannister soldiers against the red gate, to try and raze their fields as well, and/or blockade their ports to starve them out, but instead, he mostly kept his new clan friends with him as personal guards, and did the bare minimum to pay his debt and arm them a bit better, but still mostly left the Vale to remain neutral until they could be brought in peacefully. he may bear resentment towards individuals, but he's not a genocidal war criminal like his father wants him to be, and he's mostly proud of that fact!

He didnt talk about beating Tommen, it was much worse than that.

Yeah but going into detail about what he said would have gotten my comment removed

I mean he did in fact threaten to beat him. He just also threatened to do the other thing as well

Bruh, rape. he threatened to rape Tommen why is everyone pussyfooting around the word rape?

Actually he said he'd rape Tommen...

Finally someone says it. Tyrion was raped in that scene.

Let's write 4 paragraphs pitying Tyrion who never felt an ounce of empathy for Tysha and only pitied himself. Whom he thought she deserved the 15 men gangraping her including her lover because she was a whore. Tyrions only anger is that she wasn't a prostitute... Other than that he doesn't give a fuck that Tysha was raped even by himself. Fuck it, he goes on to murder Shae who is a child prostitute in the books and is terrified of him. But yeah Poor Tyrion the rape victim amirite? Tyrion literally portrays no empathy for Tysha just views her as something terrible that happened to him. If Tysha ever sees Tyrion again I hope she puts the final nail in his coffin. Also... You're the son of one of the most powerful men in the world you can refuse to rape a woman... What would Tywin do? Kill Tyrion? He couldn't and wouldn't or he would have as a child. Sorry but I'd rather die than rape someone. Tyrions a monster 😅 Tyrion wants to be his father in the books. He even threatens to rape Tommen brutally 😊. Tyrion is a rapist, Tyshas not the only one he's raped, he's a serial rapist so why you feeling sorry for him lmfao. He had an innocent bard murdered and made into stew to be consumed because he was paranoid Shae slept with him. She didn't...also sorry but unless Tyrion was anally raped 15x there is no comparison... He coulda said no they literally wouldn't have done shit. They couldn't and Tyrion was well smart enough to know that. He was under NO threat 😅 that's why it's so hard to face. He simply was told to participate. Hence why he excuses it "she was a whore" AND??? Being told to rape your whore is not the same as being gangraped 15x by soldiers and then your own husband 😊😊😊 Tyrion feels NO SHAME or anything else he only cares that Tysha "didn't love him" he thought she deserved it until he found out she wasn't a prostitute. Then still he only feels sorry for himself not for the woman who's soul he murdered- love from a real life Tysha.

​@@Shannon-vv6rrtrue

​@@Shannon-vv6rrI think you are forgetting that Tyrion was literally a CHILD. If a girl was forced to rape her lover at 11 or 13, you would pity her (speaking as a woman myself)

@@Shannon-vv6rr I don't understand why you use smiley faces while describing rapes.

Well, wanting to kill Varys isn't that bad. Despite all of his noble talk to Eddard in book 1 or Kevan in book 5, he has yet to prove with actions that he's anything but a scheming asshole trying to keep his power and get more.

I agree, i should've explained my point better. He does need to go along with the trick BUT he can also sensibly try to dissuade Cersei's paranoia. He doesn't need to go quite so spiteful as he does. There is some logic to doing so but my point was also that he, emotionally, can't help trying to be like Tywin and trying to hurt his sister. The motives are partly rational but also personal

True but the book also highlights how what he did was wrong. It makes it clear (imo) that if he'd not acted like Tywin but instead with more emotional intelligence he would've gotten the sane if not better outcome. I feel this way because his actions lead to an innocent girl being whipped, publicly shamed, and forced out of the city. It also lead to Tywin having a way to shame and dismiss Tyrion after his most heroic deed. It also lead to Kevin truly believing Tyrion killed Joffery (if I'm not mistaken the "turn your joy into ashes" line was what convinced Kevin tho I could be miss remembering). This is contrasted to if he played along and still let cerci believe shatiya was his whore without the tywin-esc need for dominance and revenge which would've still lead cerci to believe she had one up on Tyrion without any of the negatives I discussed. It may Also have lead to cerci not immediately thinking tyrion killed Joffery tho that's conjecture to the fullest as it's still very well possible cerci would've accused Tyrion

@@mylittlethoughttree I think you were right, I don't think his anger/threat was an act to sell that Cersei had caught the 'real' person he loved. He was genuinely angry and genuinely meant the threat to Cersei, because of how close she came to actually harming Shae. Her intent was enough to 'declare war' in that sense, not whether or not she actually harmed Shae or not. And I think if he wanted to trick Cersei into thinking she had hold over him, he would have submitted to her and pleaded mercy. Instead, this was him establishing that she cannot threaten or intimidate him without consequence, and her moves to control him by hurting him will only lead to her own suffering from his retaliation.

Let's not forget that part where he threatened to rape Tommen. Completely unnecessary and reckless threat.

I saw it the same way as you. And also, he was truly angry at her for hurting Alayaya so horribly.

I don't know how he's supposed to finish it now that his planned ending was butchered by the show. I can't imagine the pressure he must feel now that he knows everyone hates where he was trying to go (even if they probably wouldn't have if he'd been the one to do it). I know that a lot of people said they're fine conceptually with what happened and just hate the execution, but... if I were GRRM, that would just make me feel even worse, because now it's like people are expecting me to be able to take this thing they hate and make them love it. And on top of it, people keep bringing it up every time he does an interview (or they used to, no clue what's happening now). Must be really difficult for him.

My bet is he's already written it but it won't be released until he dies

@@nicholascharles9625 That’s also my hope. We are probably just delusional but well…

@@nicholascharles9625 There's no way his publishers would allow that. He hasn't completed Winds yet.

@@shinyary2 not everything in the ending was George's idea.

Yeah, that and the dismissal of Selmy (and Ned’s death, for that matter) were seemingly part of why he felt like he needed someone in King’s Landing to correct the mess Cersei and Joffrey were making

Yeah I had it in my notes to mention, not sure how I forgot

Eh, less because she's sleeping with him, more because the bard was trying to blackmail Tyrion with the info that he kept a woman while he was acting hand of the king. The real issue was what the bard wanted. If it was just gold or silver it would be fine, but he wants a place at the wedding, which Tyrion has no control of. He was offered a lesser prize, but insisted that he would only keep his mouth shut if he could play at the wedding. That is what caused Tyrion to have him murdered. While naturally he doesn't want anyone else touching Shae, and has ugly men, eneuchs, and sheep lovers as her guards for that reason, singers are known to have big mouths, and worse he knew that Tyrion's true woman was Shae, rather than his decoy Aliyayah.

@Loonie thank you for making this point. I lost my father earlier this year and didn’t have the best relationship with him as he hurt a lot of people. But I as well didn’t want to fall into the “be everything my dad isn’t” trap. Because he did have qualities I admired. And I didn’t want to be angry at him the rest of my life. So it further validates my efforts to honor the good attributes about him that I see in myself as liberation from that anger.

Janos slynt was controlled by Cersie so wanted her control less and Meryn trant was hitting Sansa which is the greatest bargaining chip the Lannister had

That's the downside to keeping my video scripts very loose, I sometimes ramble to a level where I'm labouring a point 😂

@@mylittlethoughttree It didn't detract from the video. I'd rather hear freeform talk than something highly scripted :)

*Aerys

I somewhat agree. I think Penny definitely is there to emphasise Tyrion's potential to grow... I hope he goes onto do exactly that, but I also feel like it might be a potential that he doesn't fulfil. Really, we'll have to see in the next book. I think Tyrion does kind things, but he always had. It doesn't necessarily mean he's moving in a positive direction...yet

@@mylittlethoughttree Thank you for your replay. I agree that it is a potential that he may not fulfill, I simply felt it needed more attention, may be its own separate numbered chapter. I would say the effect of meeting Penny (for Tyrion) is similar to Jamie meeting Brienne. I am curious to see you video on Jamie and your thoughts on his relationship with his sister - here I mean in the books (since it is so different and in the show not so interesting).

@@mylittlethoughttree I worry that the Penny stuff may be a case of too little too late. Like Tyrion does something horrible to Penny, maybe even kills her. And only then realizes that he has become the same monster his father has.

I think they actually failed at even that. He's not particularly intelligent or wise in most of his decision making in the last two seasons at least. That would be more understandable if there was a compelling reason for this, but there is no reason for it. It's just a shift in characterization with no real justification.

Jamie fookin lannister

What's the differences?

@@plagueknight8026 Too many differences to describe in single comment, so I would suggest reading the books.

He has a Jaime Lannister video, go find it

Well you're certainly not wrong. Although ny thinking around the oedipal killing was less about the motives for doing it, rather than "this is a thing I did, how do I now make sense of that experience/what would having done that begin to mean to me?" If that makes sense. I think his reasons for killing Tywin were logic-driven, how the experience affects him though, that might be different

Ahhh damn, you are correct. When I edited the video, I was copying and pasting text boxes that came up, then just changing the writing in them...so I reckon I must've forgot to change the reference part of the text. Good spot!

@@mylittlethoughttree It takes fans like me who are too obsessed with this story to notice these kinds of things. 😂

It was funny how Tyrion was internally dismissive of Ilyrio and kept thinking he's a moron, despite also realizing that there's something he wasn't saying about (f)Aegon.

@@legrandliseurtri7495 Essp. ironic since Tyrion is very much parroting his father on his "voyage", really showing that he indeed is Twynn "writ small". I do not subscribe to Aegon Blackfyre, though. I do think the narrative would be more interesting (and ironic) if Dany was THINKING Aegon was fake (there are so many clues to that and if real he really would have a better claim, so it would be a nice push over the edge for her if she found out after working against him for some time that he was the real deal- I am still on those treasons- I think she will "know" them because she will commit them) but if he would be the real deal (and not the perfect prince Illyrio and Varys were hoping for but more like if Viserys had had the upbringing to be the perfect prince). But we will see.

Didn't he only have one? Shae never becomes his wife and he wouldn't call her that

This is a sequel to a video he did about Tywin, I think he said he’s going to do the Lannisters

Starks are honarable fools as Robert described

Well you're in luck. I did one on Nate already!

@@mylittlethoughttree no idea how I missed it, thanks!

I don't know who that is, but maybe I am?🤔

I wouldn't say disappointed, he's still a fan favourite in the books, you just have to expect him to be more morally grey. It's kind of tragic to read his slow descent into what could be villainy... depends what happens in the next book still really, he might be able to change his trajectory

@@mylittlethoughttree Right on...much appreciated..!!

I think you misheard me, that was kinda my point. Got burned out WITHOUT THE SENSE to bring anyone else in for help...at least I think that's what I said, I can't remember 🤔

my father is cop. and he dont like me and allso the whole start fells like any "outsider or i hope anyone understand off course you go your own way or ?" Dont be a part of a machine that fucking judge people.. like i said like yur videos on the GOT but i really really hope everybody undertsrands the first part or else how do we gonna unite? im autistik and afraid of the non thinking socity ;P

ok im not pity all empaty,,

only people that cares about them self (Socioptats) is pity there is shit everythere if you dont care ao out that you can live your life like to many and get kids and job and so on in shit system,, i rahter die fighting agant it

im fucked afer my last jail tine.. ;(