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Publishers Are Destroying Video Games 

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@Accursed_Farms
@Accursed_Farms Месяц назад
Thanks a bunch for taking a look at this! I've actually only seen clips of you with Path of Exile stuff before, but I'm glad for any and all exposure on this! The more people that get involved, the more we're going to get answers one way or another. Also, I made a 50 second version on the shorts section of the channel.
@RoDeatheye
@RoDeatheye Месяц назад
Thank you for pursuing this.
@danielondruska7854
@danielondruska7854 Месяц назад
Hell yeah!
@Gigglebitten
@Gigglebitten Месяц назад
God speed good sir
@phasmidjelly1429
@phasmidjelly1429 Месяц назад
Gamers rise up ✊
@CalebJahnke
@CalebJahnke Месяц назад
Thank you, Ross
@sco0100
@sco0100 Месяц назад
This is getting out of hand, now there are two of Asmons!
@ThisIsmiXTV
@ThisIsmiXTV Месяц назад
It's like watching CERN in its infancy. Observing them firing atoms at eachother, waiting for the reaction black hole the proliferate.
@bigfatcloud4566
@bigfatcloud4566 Месяц назад
BRO I WAS GONNA SAY THE SAME THING I AM JUST 20 MINUTES LATE. LOL
@TTTKyouma
@TTTKyouma Месяц назад
one takes a shower the other one doesn't
@insomniacbrit9085
@insomniacbrit9085 Месяц назад
Twice the pride, Double the canc3l.
@MrAngryMonkey100
@MrAngryMonkey100 Месяц назад
there is more than two Asmons.....be afraid....
@thevoicestoldmetoagain4627
@thevoicestoldmetoagain4627 Месяц назад
"If youre not selling the game anymore, who cares if someone steals it?" Now you hit the nail on the head.
@chrisysk91
@chrisysk91 Месяц назад
The main issue publishers worry is that people staying playing old games on their own takes away their market. If 12 million people stayed playing crew, new racing games would have way less people to buy and publishers won't let that happen.
@remrem-gx3ml
@remrem-gx3ml Месяц назад
@@chrisysk91 thats how they view it but thats bullshit because they sold the original game. it just shows they are bad at their jobs. if everyone is still playing then make expansions like the witcher 3 did. in your example of the crew the only reason people wouldnt play new racing games is that they are worse. if the game is good people will play it. its just a way to sell cheap garbage games while erasing the memory of what a good game is for the new generation.
@CrusaderCrunch
@CrusaderCrunch Месяц назад
Also believe that if a game needs official servers to run and the game is shutting the servers down they need to make the software available to make private servers that people can host their own lobbies. I know it isn't a perfect solution but to even make it possible if someone had enough resources to revive the servers to do so it should be their choice.
@ricdinchirock3625
@ricdinchirock3625 29 дней назад
Fun fact: it was Nintendo shutting down the 3DS eShop that made me feel comfortable finally Homebrewing it.
@hmmm348
@hmmm348 28 дней назад
​@@remrem-gx3ml You've got to keep in mind man, there are people that still play Morrowind or even abandonware. These corporate shitheads would force subscriptions on people for going outside to play catch. They're literally hoping to destroy as much access people have to alternative entertainment as possible. They'd force you into paying subscription at gunpoint if they could. We know that's true given the recent vid Admin did around Smart TVs forcing people to agree to ads and being stored in before using a HDMI input. There's only one thing that would cause the corpos to back off would be if they ended up suffering their own personal consequences.
@UndeadFleshgod
@UndeadFleshgod Месяц назад
Guild Wars 1 is still online to this day. They're hosting it on a relatively tiny machine, since it's so old and the traffic went down a lot in the last 20 years. Costs them pennies. There's no reason not to keep old games.
@the12221
@the12221 Месяц назад
Thats cool! But that is not really the issue that they are talking about. Lets say this last server shuts down and Guild Wars 1 will be completely inaccessible and nobody could ever experience it for them self ever again. This is the issue he wants to prevent. As he said in the video "The game should be left a functional state after the company decides to shut down the servers" meaning that the game and all the effort the artist and developers put in to it will not be permanently lost
@Buttz2Buttz
@Buttz2Buttz Месяц назад
@@the12221 Yeah, on a business level its illogical to force a business to run servers infinitely in house. But if they want to drop service, for an online game, it should be forced to make it public and allow the public to run the game. If I as a owner of something, decide to throw something out, it should be completely resonable for someone else to use it and even at a level make money off it. If I as a owner want to keep it up thats different. Not to mention, as a copyright/trademark issue, it allows a company to completely shutdown and not allow A) competition B) the service to be continued unless only they allow it. When "games as a service" is moving more and more, its sucks. Companies locking out others just cus is hateful and spiteful. Gamers need to start showing out with their wallet, sadly though I don't think they will overall. Its just a suck sandwich all round.
@UndeadFleshgod
@UndeadFleshgod 29 дней назад
@@the12221 Point is, they don't need to shut it down since they automated all its maintenance and the hosting fees are minimal. You have years and years before you ask yourself if you have to shutdown the servers, by then tech most likely has advanced enough that it's almost nothing to keep it on. For examlle today Diablo 4 needs a fuckton of servers, but in 2044 to entertain the remaining crowd it could probably be hosted on what Raspberry Pi will be in that year.
@mactavishful
@mactavishful 28 дней назад
Guild Wars 1 is fairly unique , it's instanced maps are almost all generated client side and are only accessed by those inside of them, with the exception of townhubs which are shared locations, they designed the game really well so that it needs minimum upkeep, for a larger fully accessible multiplayer world e.g. WoW, GTA online or Club penguin it's not really possible . Also Arenanet still hires 2 people I think helping provide tech support, so it's not really pennies , more equal parts passion, the ability to gain more money from rare new customers for DLC/Storage space, and advertisements for GW2.
@philritter9042
@philritter9042 24 дня назад
The Guild Wars Devs said they keep it running since the game only takes a fraction of the server capacity they have for GW2 anyway so there isn’t really a reason not to. But that also means if GW2 is shutting down it will take GW1 with it
@aaronburnett1131
@aaronburnett1131 Месяц назад
“You will own nothing and be happy”- they told us
@silentios7336
@silentios7336 Месяц назад
Nah not with the current AAA gaming studios. Boycotted most of them already before gamergate 1. 80's & 90's were the golden age for gaming!
@Revys_Husband343
@Revys_Husband343 Месяц назад
Damn you Klaus Schwab!
@michaelmoran2125
@michaelmoran2125 Месяц назад
Wait you forgot your bug protein, the cicadas are outta control and we need you....
@Fantasygod930
@Fantasygod930 Месяц назад
I wonder if the higher-ups of a Lot of these evil companies Would feel if they're not allowed to own house not allowed To own a car not allowed to own a life and Are told to be happy With it there'll probably be upset And Maybe They will get a Taste of their own medicine on how we gamers feel if we are not allowed to own games anymore
@AtherionGG
@AtherionGG Месяц назад
Actually this is more true than satire. For example with Blizzard games like Overwatch and Wow. You only own a revokeable license to the game. Similar to Adobe Photoshop, etc...
@FlyingAces
@FlyingAces Месяц назад
I've used the argument with classic cars. The car company no longer has an obligation to offer replacement parts for maintenance and upkeep, but they release the blueprints of the cars so other companies can provide those parts for enthusiasts and collectors. There's no reason the gaming industry can't be held to a similar standard.
@briancollins7296
@briancollins7296 Месяц назад
a car airbag can be replaced after its gone off even if the owner didnt have an accident, or because other owners who got in accidents found theirs not going off, but i cant replace the apple home button even if it fails on its own? thats assuming the part didnt get confiscated at the port by apples bounty program
@successanimation
@successanimation Месяц назад
There's a reason. You only bought a temporary license to play the game online as long as the service is available. It's in the terms of service. Game companies are legally covered. You never bought the game itself. It's like a used ticket to a theme park.
@Magnarmis
@Magnarmis Месяц назад
The theme park ticket says specifically "one day admission" on it. When you "buy" a video game there is no mention of how long your "ticket" lasts. Just because it is legal does not make it ethical.
@xCCflierx
@xCCflierx Месяц назад
​@@Magnarmisyou literally cannot play the game without agreeing to a licensing contract. EULA is an acronym not just a buzz word
@successanimation
@successanimation Месяц назад
@@Magnarmis So, a game company can just say: 1 year admission granted and you will be happy? Ok.
@elvendragonhammer5433
@elvendragonhammer5433 Месяц назад
This recently happened with Blizzard's Launcher. Under their current (newest) terms of service. If you tried to log in, but hadn't been on for a bit prior to the change it gave you a popup to agree to the new terms. There was no dis-agree button, rather if you didn't click agree it just prevented you from logging in. If you were logged in if forced you to agree or it logged you out of the service & wouldn't let you login until being forced to agree. But under the new term all the games that you previously owned are now a subscription only, not only do you not own any of the games but it says you NEVER DID in the first place. They have changed the contract you agreed to when you bought it & are actively removing products you already paid for. Louis Rossman calls this EULA Roofie-ing where these companies have the mindset of a grapeist. You will agree, even if you don't want to, or they will hold something hostage from you. In this case it's your right to own or play any of those games.
@iFParasit
@iFParasit Месяц назад
Such contracts by definitipn are void
@laszloneumann500
@laszloneumann500 Месяц назад
Regardless if SYOu agreed or not You can still sue them despite theTOS forbidding it because they cant legally bind you to wave away your right for that
@elvendragonhammer5433
@elvendragonhammer5433 Месяц назад
​@@laszloneumann500 And yet they have already done it. Roku & LG did something similar recently & they changed in their TOS that you agree to Forced Arbitration- meaning you can no longer sue them. You didn't accept- "Your" TV no longer worked. couldn't even switch over to HDMI inputs. To opt out you had to send a reply via certified mail within 7 days of not accepting the terms, & the way our postal system is it probably wouldn't arrive within @ least 2 wks. Their pulling similar shady cancellation BS like Planet Fitness, LA Fitness gyms etc. And remember even if you sue them they don't have to win- they just have to stall indefinitely, until you run out of $$ or settle, because what you'd recoup would be less than what you lose after paying the court costs. And although there are organizations to help, like the Institute for justice (IJ.ORG) & Pacific Legal Foundation, that's only if they are willing to take your case, & compared to Abortion, Civil Asset Forfeiture cases & other blatant violations of your rights I expect something like this would be left on the back burner.
@TheMetroidblade
@TheMetroidblade Месяц назад
@@elvendragonhammer5433 Forced Arbitration clauses are cute. You can still take them to court. Any good lawyer will get that out of the way. Its part of our rights. Yeah it sucks doing it but thats the world we live in. we could change it but we got no unity
@elvendragonhammer5433
@elvendragonhammer5433 Месяц назад
@@TheMetroidblade Yes, you can take them to court- but taking them to court is NOT THE SAME AS SUING. You MUST prove that you have a VALID reason to sue, AND that the grounds are legitimate. In Arbitration, only if you can prove that they broke the provisions of the contract that forces you to adhere to. (In other words; they must have broken the provisions that specifically bind you to that provision of the agreement- AND YOU must prove that they did it first. That makes that portion of the contract un-enforceable by them) That will release you from that part of the contract & THAT PART ONLY. All other tenets or provisions are still enforceable by them. If you broke any other tenets or provisions they can then counter-sue you over your breach of contract. Otherwise, any competent judge will throw it out of court because you couldn't meet the burden of proof. Aside from that, it is settled by an arbiter- (that they pick) that's exactly what forced arbitration means. And I Quote: "In forced arbitration, a company requires a consumer or employee to SUBMIT ANY DISPUTE that may arise to binding arbitration as a condition of employment or buying a product or service. The employee or consumer is REQUIRED to waive their right to sue, to participate in a class action lawsuit, or to appeal the decision of the arbiter" This works just like you waiving your right to sue for damages, injuries etc, if you were on a game show, in the military They are & have been stoutly enforced. "Any good lawyer will get that out of the way. " No, any GOOD lawyer who's been through this against a corporation & their teams of lawyers, won't lie to your face. He will tell you you've got an ice-cubes chance in hell, cause he might not be able to get you out of the fire you jumped in. You missed the part where you waive the right to sue, which just like waiving your right to a jury, waived you right to represent yourself, or waived your right to speak at a trial means you gave up those rights; you cannot take those rights back, nor can someone use those rights on your behalf; You cannot instruct someone else on these rights either. THIS INCLUDES YOUR LAWYER. HE CANNOT DEFEND RIGHTS YOU DO NOT HAVE. This has to do with Ex Pre Facto laws. You can't defend against something you did knowingly. This is why if you murdered somone (but no one else knew & you hid it & pleaded innocent) your lawyer would be oath-bound to recuse himself from your case. For instance In a recent case an 18yo was driving a Mustang @ 155mph, she hit a motorcyclist & he died on scene. Dash cam footage from her car was used in trial. She could not plead "not guilty" because her guilt was never in question. A jury decides facts. She killed a man- FACT. She did get a lesser sentence, because she called for an ambulance & tried to give him CPR. So instead of getting 65 years she got 35. It might be around 18 w/ a good behavior release. I do however agree that we need more unity on matters like this. This hasn't been passed yet but if it does it will at least help. Forced Arbitration Injustice Repeal Act The Forced Arbitration Injustice Repeal Act is proposed legislation in the US Congress. The comprehensive legislation would prohibit pre-dispute, forced arbitration agreements from being valid or enforceable if it requires forced arbitration of an employment, consumer, or civil rights claim against a corporation.
@greymane_gaming3435
@greymane_gaming3435 Месяц назад
The easiest way for this to be resolved would be to Simply have the company upon announcement of server shutdowns tohave to release the server side code or have them integrate server side code into the final patch and make it stand alone.
@AkinokazeHaruichiban
@AkinokazeHaruichiban Месяц назад
It would be better if there was a 3rd party [either unrelated, or the platform holders] who they had to regularly give copies of the code to, so that if they went belly up, they couldn't just disappear with the code. At a minimum though, any singleplayer game with always online DRM should get a final patch to bipass any server checks. I remember trying to play The Mercenaries 2 after the servers were shut down. If your system was online the game would just lock up during the check, but it you were offline [having pulled the ethernet cable out of the 360 XD] then it would skip the check and be playable.
@XZaguer
@XZaguer Месяц назад
Ross is absolutely right whenever he mentioned that gamer's attention span is too short. Asmon was 15 minutes in the video and people were already complaining about it being too long, if they cant handle a 30 minute vid, expecting them to wait 2 weeks is virtually impossible
@Samagachi
@Samagachi Месяц назад
We can find other things to keep our attention occupied
@bl8388
@bl8388 Месяц назад
Sorry, I zoned out after the first sentence. What did you say, again? (starts zoning out immediately)
@RedHaloManiac95
@RedHaloManiac95 Месяц назад
Asmons 45 minute videos are the best. I don’t watch streams so I love when he stretches something out so I’m not constantly finding stuff to watch. Twitch viewers are a ton of kids who consume 90% of content in 60 second videos now
@XenoSpyro
@XenoSpyro Месяц назад
The real gamers are the Bidens we met along the way.
@NetBattler
@NetBattler Месяц назад
Not me though...
@mjrpayne19
@mjrpayne19 Месяц назад
Software should not be exempt from basic consumer protections just because it isn't a physical good. Plain and simple.
@janmiddendorp3694
@janmiddendorp3694 Месяц назад
I don't understand your point. maybe you can explain it further? for me it is still a product versus a serves sitation. Why should it matter whether it is digital or physical. It is still a product or a service. what you pay for.
@sten260
@sten260 Месяц назад
well that would add at least 30 bucks to every game out there
@Turbo-bs7ok
@Turbo-bs7ok Месяц назад
If ubisoft loses this, they will just relocate to the u.s. its a race to the bottom, just like corporate taxes
@m16dude967
@m16dude967 Месяц назад
@@sten260 Not sure how because you ain't pay shipping and distribution costs at all. Their point is completely invalid because they actually saved money not doing physical copies. If publisher needs to break the bank like that, tear your contract up and get a new publisher, or do it yourself. Obviously not every studio can afford to do it, but if you can, you absolutely should be self publishing because those dick bags take a lion share of the profits and provide almost nothing that they could do themselves.
@sten260
@sten260 Месяц назад
@@m16dude967 it would make games more expensive just because they have to deal with this shit, all kinds of rules and regulations make things more expensive
@thetattoodmini
@thetattoodmini Месяц назад
it's not just Ubisoft doing this. EA has removed games I've purchased from my library. I can look at the notice and it says "Game was removed for unlisted reason." I lost both Battlefront 1&2, and Battlefield V from my library, all on February 20th of this year, and I can't find anything about it online.
@notthatkindofsam
@notthatkindofsam 15 дней назад
Did you say something naughty online and have to get your social credit score up a bit before they’ll let you play them again 😂
@thetattoodmini
@thetattoodmini 15 дней назад
@@notthatkindofsam not that i am aware of... but wouldn't be surprised with as many times as i've said EA is shit for ruining so many good games just by getting involved.
@notthatkindofsam
@notthatkindofsam 15 дней назад
@@thetattoodmini you tell no lies! I’m done buying anything they touch!
@mushuplatypus
@mushuplatypus 29 дней назад
My problem is when companies make single player games, that doesn't work offline.
@GM-xk1nw
@GM-xk1nw Месяц назад
Elden ring had an online only item (the white mask) they updated the game so you can get it offline, now the game is future proof with all of its content
@Hoenir
@Hoenir Месяц назад
Well as long as those Platforms where you bought it don't go down. Isn't that the case with everything besides GOG ? If the digital distribution service goes down, you lose the license. Steam, Origin, Ubiplay, Rockstar etc
@shib5267
@shib5267 Месяц назад
@@Hoenirmy hacked ps4 can hold that game forever as long as the hardware lasts. no internet connection. and because i can dump all my discs they can also sit forever in a hdd. In the end piracy is the only way to preserve games
@oodo2908
@oodo2908 Месяц назад
@@shib5267 Yup. We will see if they go after emulators.
@fosphor8920
@fosphor8920 Месяц назад
@@Hoenir That is an interesting question that I do not know the answer to... If steam suddenly died, what would happen to our game libraries? Probl gone haha
@MeltonCrest
@MeltonCrest Месяц назад
@@fosphor8920Then the 2020 riots would look like a picknick, nothing is more dangerous than millions of pissed off nerds.
@Michael-ex8lk
@Michael-ex8lk Месяц назад
If they don't find it economically viable to host the game anymore they should cut the online portion and allow people to keep playing single player modes. Always online single player games that kick you off for losing an Internet connection are fucking abysmally evil.
@ExodusF1nale
@ExodusF1nale Месяц назад
That's the reason I haven't bought Himan: World of Assassination. I REALLY WANT TO PLAY IT, but I'm not buying it until servers are taken completely out of the the equation when it comes to me playing my SINGLE PLAYER GAME.
@artnull13
@artnull13 Месяц назад
And yet they’re happy to lose money hosting suicide squad vs justice league
@colinstewart3531
@colinstewart3531 Месяц назад
OR, hear me out, let others host these severs like they did in the 90s.
@Quickloaded
@Quickloaded Месяц назад
Some games rely on data from the server regarding NPC locations, etc. So these would not work offline. So the server side components would have to be provided to users to play the game. This is even more important for multiplayer games where you cannot do anything by yourself.
@HorusHerotic
@HorusHerotic Месяц назад
​@@colinstewart3531single player games should not require servers.
@quantumfate4677
@quantumfate4677 Месяц назад
As a developer I greately appreciate the option to be able to get the games working myself. First of all there are many people/communities that would walk the extra mile and secondly it would support the insentive to consumers gaining a better understanding of technology. The lack of technological understanding that I'm talking about is the #1 reason large companies are able to rip us off in the first place.
@disass
@disass Месяц назад
Ubisoft is actively stopping me making a complaint about the crew.
@MrmaneHax
@MrmaneHax Месяц назад
You can still go to France after 1 week of ubisoft refusing to respond or help resolve your issue, just a heads up.
@deano1699
@deano1699 Месяц назад
It's really simple: this is why we invented the Public Domain. If a company abandons a game completely without releasing the source code, the only thing that needs to happen is completely decriminalizing the reverse engineering or hacking of the games so that they can be played by those most passionate about it. It doesn't need to be about punishing a company for finding a product no longer profitable, just about taking away that company's right to sue those who put the effort in to keep the games and their servers running.
@Weaver_Games
@Weaver_Games Месяц назад
Reverse engineering an entire server (once the server is offline and no longer exists) would be incredibly complicated though. Depending on the game it could be borderline impossible.
@speedyx3493
@speedyx3493 Месяц назад
Yeah, we honestly just gotta revisit the Public Domain laws, 70 years might’ve sounded ok when they were writing those laws a 100 years ago but they are not okay in today’s society with today’s media
@multi-mason
@multi-mason Месяц назад
@@speedyx3493 they have been revisited, and further extended. I think it was 60 years just not long ago.
@ChaoticNeutralMatt
@ChaoticNeutralMatt Месяц назад
Oh you missed the old news. Thank in part Disney. ​@@speedyx3493
@collynha6952
@collynha6952 Месяц назад
They use to be much shorter, Disney changed that with bribes@@speedyx3493
@TheRealZiktus
@TheRealZiktus Месяц назад
The fact that there are even people here in the comments completely missing the point or just being contrarian genuinly surprises me. This guy is doing an impressive amount of legwork to improve the consumer's position in the gaming industry. What he's doing is beneficial for every single person that clicked this video.
@bitupr8458
@bitupr8458 Месяц назад
you can blame asmon, he's constantly being contrarian and purposefully missing the point. Also people secretly love being treated like garbage, you can blame those people too
@mothbreeder641
@mothbreeder641 Месяц назад
Asmon is as anti-consumer as it gets. He hates normal people.
@christianalanwilson434
@christianalanwilson434 Месяц назад
"You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."
@TheMetroidblade
@TheMetroidblade Месяц назад
@@christianalanwilson434I’d rather know the truth, knowing it probably will be dark and depressing. Lies are comforting but not real.
@ricardohoang8452
@ricardohoang8452 Месяц назад
@@TheMetroidblade Well since AAA companies are working with SBI, more lies revealed 😂
@kirshak7007
@kirshak7007 Месяц назад
I miss the time when computers had a CD reader integrated and when physical copies were a thing.
@Dresden0478
@Dresden0478 Месяц назад
One of the problems with physical media now is that with the day 1 patch of 50+ GB once those servers stop hosting those patches. That disc still becomes dead.
@SyamDaRos-EndoManno
@SyamDaRos-EndoManno Месяц назад
It will be solved if we can download updates from a dedicated website. For example, when I format my console I must download the latest version of the system in a USB key, then plug it in the console
@dav786
@dav786 Месяц назад
blame the developers who cant seem to be able to release a finished game on lauch
@klarkolofsson
@klarkolofsson Месяц назад
@@dav786Publishers are mostly to blame for pushing pre-mature releases.
@JammyGuns
@JammyGuns Месяц назад
That very much depends on the game - Xbox are unfortunately the worst for it. And it's certainly going to get worse going forward. However, currently most PS4 and even PS5 games do have a fully playable version on the actual disc. No download required. See DoesItPlay.
@remrem-gx3ml
@remrem-gx3ml Месяц назад
that patch is an UPDATE you DOWNLOAD it. as long as you dont delete it you still have it downloaded.
@IparIzar
@IparIzar Месяц назад
tech savvy or not everyone will understand that a product shouldn't stop working because the manufacturer decided so.
@vonborgah
@vonborgah Месяц назад
Actually
@Henk717
@Henk717 Месяц назад
No Asmon, I bought a copy of Unreal Tournament 2004 and they have shut the the master servers down for it. I still own a copy of the game, I can install that copy of the game whenever I want, I can play that copy of game whenever I want both singleplayer and multiplayer. Thats because you can still manually add server IP's to the server list, and you can even change which master server you wish to use so you can just change it to a modern community hosted one and the game will then have all its functionality. Thats owning a game. Buying a game that then forces me to use a microsoft account to then forcefully play on their servers with no alternatives available if that no longer works is not owning a game. The argument was never about them being forced to keep selling the game, the argument is about the existing copies remaining functional.
@PureSilver07
@PureSilver07 Месяц назад
Yeah exactly. I wish more people would understand this.
@littlebigcommentaries9833
@littlebigcommentaries9833 Месяц назад
It's cause the more people you are talking about. The majority. Are too young to have experienced that or have minimal exposure. They have no reference to this. The ones who do. Have families and responsibilities and don't have time to push back. That is especially if they have experienced and tried doing anything against government. They don't listen bro. The best politician you can ask for usually isn't even in a position to change anything on their own. So that type. That does listen and represent their constituents will still be able to do nothing. I have written letter to MLAs and house members on all levels about a variety of issues. I have given up doing that since. Only one of them ever responded cordially, with urgency and sincerity. The rest may have well responded with AI. It's a useless fight.
@vorcanvorcan9032
@vorcanvorcan9032 Месяц назад
I also can still play my old games, funnily enough, this includes Mario brothers on the NES. 😂🤦
@vonborgah
@vonborgah Месяц назад
You own the right to play with that copy. You dont own the game tho.
@vorcanvorcan9032
@vorcanvorcan9032 Месяц назад
@@vonborgah You own the right to drive that copy of your car, but you don't own the make. You'll have to buy a new one once it breaks down, can't get the same car back for free. 🤷 See, it does work. 🤦
@Elrohof
@Elrohof Месяц назад
I believe I read somewhere that even our hard copies, PHYSICAL copies of games also already had clauses where it essentially reads that while the customer owns the material thing, we have no ownership rights of the contents within the CDs. It's just that now as internet connection is very fast and stable, they can release games 'as service' so that they can either milk us on DLCs, only to completely take the game away from us to encourage/force us to switch to a new game project.
@kejtos5
@kejtos5 11 дней назад
Ross talked about it in his follow up video. If I remember correctly, it is the case in the US.
@Pseudoplaydo
@Pseudoplaydo Месяц назад
TOS is a decent argument but you pay before you sign. You also pay one party (the store, etc) and sign with another, the devs/producers.
@squeezydonutz
@squeezydonutz Месяц назад
Bought The Crew through Amazon Luna about a year ago. It's not even in my library anymore. It's nowhere on Luna. If I had purchased on Ubisoft, I would understand, but Amazon got a cut of my money along with Ubisoft and now I can't even stare at the game cover in Luna. They just took my money and ran. Feels really scummy.
@PureSilver07
@PureSilver07 Месяц назад
Yeah I have been doing my best to avoid online only games. Just from you saying this I’m going to avoid Luna. That’s super shady.
@TheeGlocktopus
@TheeGlocktopus 13 дней назад
EA did this to like three of my battlefield games because I argued with a support agent who got butthurt and removed my account.
@caydensmith4219
@caydensmith4219 Месяц назад
How about this, Bungie DELETED entire parts of main game plus a bunch of DLC’s for Destiny 2 which were all PAY TO OWN but were removed because Bungie said they they wanted to make room for new stuff including going LIVE SERVICE and because most people didn’t play the original stuff. I haven’t bought anything from Bungie since.
@Cookie_Kaiju
@Cookie_Kaiju Месяц назад
D2 was the first thing that came to mind as I watched this video. I'll always be super salty about what they did.
@Tport712
@Tport712 Месяц назад
It was always live service. Still salty about this but their game their consequences
@jebalitabb8228
@jebalitabb8228 Месяц назад
all of the loot/rewards for those dlcs is still 100% available though so that doesn’t really matter, no one who plays destiny cares about the 6 year old content lol the dungeons are the relevant content. You exposed that you never actually played the game by saying it went live service, it was live service since day one in 2014
@aquapolaris719
@aquapolaris719 Месяц назад
I’ll never play D2 it’s the epitome of “free” to play games
@legacy9171
@legacy9171 Месяц назад
Bungie has been doing this since 1999 or so when they stopped hosting servers for their Myth series, which is like playing any Halo game with no multiplayer outside of direct system link available
@baxxtab2429
@baxxtab2429 Месяц назад
17:00 agreed, the way to do it is indeed to make new laws to force games to give some sort of offline/Lan mode for any game discontinued/ways to continue playing. Or refunds.
@Tryhardblackguy
@Tryhardblackguy Месяц назад
It’s not just online games, it’s digital only release games too
@peterpan4038
@peterpan4038 Месяц назад
What annoys me about this: Really old games usually take up a miniscule amount of server power, compared to what modern games eat up. But companies like Ubisoft have been cutting server support for many of their older games "to cut costs" regardless.
@eafesaf6934
@eafesaf6934 Месяц назад
I really want a lawsuit or a state enforcement to give actual objective reasons from the company with proofs on why such a service or in this disservice is done to the customer.
@omarbl1229
@omarbl1229 Месяц назад
Nobody should play any EA games at this point, agenda driven bad quality games for over a decade now.
@sharpangus8538
@sharpangus8538 Месяц назад
yeah sure they probably don't take too much compute, but I'm sure keeping them secure for decades would be a headache. That said, they should make the server software publicly available so someone else can deal with it.
@DiegoGonzalez-my4wz
@DiegoGonzalez-my4wz Месяц назад
@@eafesaf6934i dont think u even know what lawsuits are with this comment damn..
@peterpan4038
@peterpan4038 Месяц назад
@@sharpangus8538 Most games these days would only require a server handshake to get past the usual "always only DRM", that's basically a simple ping. And even games with actual multiplayer are pretty easy to handle, if we are talking about older ones. A good example for this are games like Diablo 1, it only takes a single potato at Activision Blizzards HQ to run everything involving that game after all. MMO's are probably the hardest to keep online long time, but even those can be put into effective hibernation with zero support (still better than nothing).
@rayxfinkle8328
@rayxfinkle8328 Месяц назад
The "Always on-line" revolution ruined gaming for me. I live in a rural area with limited to no quality Internet. New game choices for me is a very small amount.
@TwistedJack-pf9nf
@TwistedJack-pf9nf Месяц назад
Been in the same boat for a few years, sucks
@feist__
@feist__ Месяц назад
And some people say "tough cookies" to those that can't connect online. Apparently it's a *you* problem!
@user-fs6cr5em2l
@user-fs6cr5em2l Месяц назад
its for datamining so they can milk you more. you probably know it of course
@TheTwinkelminkelson
@TheTwinkelminkelson Месяц назад
I pivoted to indie games to avoid that, too. But indies are doing it now, too.
@simonschneider5913
@simonschneider5913 Месяц назад
on the plus side, you are not yet conditioned into the new normal and probably you are much more sane still than the rest of us! :)
@daystoppol1592
@daystoppol1592 Месяц назад
Why is there 2 asmon on my screen ?
@Teachernyc
@Teachernyc 4 дня назад
lmfao
@fakenickib6245
@fakenickib6245 Месяц назад
The SNES examples are ABSOLUTELY HORRENDOUS! Were talking about games that CANNOT BE PLAYED PERIOD due to ONLINE SERVICES being shut down. Not “ohhhh does nintendo owe us to still sell their old games”
@radioam0421
@radioam0421 Месяц назад
Hell yes. Ross is fucking doing it. I usually dont fanboy. But holy shit seeing big youtubers watch this makes me happy
@orenmontgomery8250
@orenmontgomery8250 Месяц назад
53:34 The reason that's different is because on a streaming service you are renting an ENTIRE LIBRARY of content for about $10-15 and it is understood that it is monthly. If I spend $70 for a SINGLE GAME I expect that I can keep that.
@chrisboddie2782
@chrisboddie2782 Месяц назад
I had that exact thought when it came up....Luke game pass for example would be a "streaming" platform comparison where you pay a monthly subscription for a library that the end user has zero control or say over, unlike a single purchase item.
@orenmontgomery8250
@orenmontgomery8250 Месяц назад
@chrisboddie2782 Right, Game Pass makes sense because it is billed as temporary and in effect as long as you're paying a subscription.
@mothbreeder641
@mothbreeder641 Месяц назад
Asmon just defends every single bad practice the industry does be it from developers, publishers or game"journos". It's just sad.
@amarg1650
@amarg1650 Месяц назад
​​@@mothbreeder641He gets reviewcodes an early access, what do you expect 😂 The buggest gaming sites and channels are in the pocket already
@sten260
@sten260 Месяц назад
well obviously you expect something that isn't there and change your expectations.. you can't just expect the companies to change their products lol
@vincentalexander4603
@vincentalexander4603 Месяц назад
My take simple. If you want to pay EA ,Microsoft, Nintendo or what have you a subscription fee to play any game but not own it. Great do that. People do that with cars all the time. But if I pay market price for my game I expect to own it just like the car I bought. If a company cheats me - well I have no issue getting there games through other means.
@alexlevesconte7216
@alexlevesconte7216 Месяц назад
i had this happen to me and it was heart breaking, the game White Knight Chronicles, it was a jrpg/monster hunteresc game. and shutting down the servers was bs because the online was basically small lobbies anyways if people wer just able to host and post their own lobbies the game wouldnt of died
@chadhynes
@chadhynes Месяц назад
When a company shuts down an "online only" game, they should either have to: A. Release a fully working build for free public use B. Refund the non-subscription costs associated with the game (e.g. box price, MTX costs, etc.) Companies can decide which hurts worse. The third option being, keep their servers running in maintenance mode AND have limited ability to raise sub fees.
@Alvara9
@Alvara9 Месяц назад
With MTX you can't really. Bc if you buy premium currency that has/can have a refund value. However, the moment you spend it on a skin/boosts the currency can't be redeemed. Ex.: In Valorant you have to agree that it’s a permanent transaction when buyign a skin. So in the best case, your leftover coins would return to your wallet, when the game shuts down.
@TheFrontmanRocker
@TheFrontmanRocker Месяц назад
Second option sounds too dangerous as it may force AAA devs to fully move to a subscription-only model, and once they disable the servers everything is gone
@user-vg6qv5jv3w
@user-vg6qv5jv3w Месяц назад
It doesn't matter if a game is "bad" they shouldn't be destroyed.
@remrem-gx3ml
@remrem-gx3ml Месяц назад
agreed. imagine how many obscure classics we lost already. like silcon valley or clay fighter.
@sosouthern985
@sosouthern985 Месяц назад
Reminds me of cell phones. When the new ones come out your phone always seems to run a bit slower each time. Always following an update too.
@TheeGlocktopus
@TheeGlocktopus 13 дней назад
Doing something on app requires app update... App update requires minimum version of OS. Updating OS not possible because your hardware only artificially supports a max version. New OS requires new hardware. So you buy new hardware. Apple's business model in a nutshell.
@JuggerKnockers
@JuggerKnockers Месяц назад
If buying isnt owning, then pirating isnt stealing
@silverczaja
@silverczaja Месяц назад
this is basically planned obsolescence but for video games, try using that angle to campaign, there is already movements for phones, cars, farm equipment etc
@Mattfreeman89
@Mattfreeman89 Месяц назад
I used to repair shit for a living. I know for a fact that companies design their electronics with increasing levels of propriety tech so they can control the lifespan of the product. That and so all the repairs are forced to go thru the company, but it's worse, the flaws and failures are PART OF THE DESIGN. This includes the conversation about tractors... And every other piece of heavy equipment. I know for a fact that Cummins and caterpillar designed their computers (for heavy equipment/big rigs/ whatever), to break by using substandard parts known to fail. Now imagine every company is doing it. In every industry. So yes, publishers of games are following in the planned obsolescence pattern. You're exactly correct that it's all by design, too.
@briancollins7296
@briancollins7296 Месяц назад
@@Mattfreeman89 john deere has models of tractors and combines that will go into limp mode if the farmer hasnt kept up their GPS subscription, zero to do with the mechanical operability of the equipment and even if the farmer does keep up with the subscription, when that gps provider goes defunct, that equipment turns into multimillion dollar lawn ornament simply from a third party's software.
@bl8388
@bl8388 Месяц назад
@@briancollins7296 And that can cause farmers to go bankrupt. Nasty stuff. I had Verizon back when they did that to our phones. They would do an update that forced your phone to slow down. It wasn't an old phone, it was designed to act laggy and slow. Customer service would excitedly suggest you upgrading and buy a new phone.
@OilFreeFeathers
@OilFreeFeathers Месяц назад
Vehicles are important. Games are digital toys for entertainment.
@OtakuAudioRedux
@OtakuAudioRedux Месяц назад
@@OilFreeFeathers Games are art.
@thegingineer0
@thegingineer0 Месяц назад
Gaben said it well. "We realized that people are spending a thousand dollars, even two thousand dollars, on their PC. If they're pirating it's not a cost issue, it's a service issue." At the time of that quote they were just starting anti- piracy always online things, like codes on the box you had to enter every month. If devs keep this SaaS model up they should not be surprised when sales go down. Maybe you should focus on making a product people actually want rather than trying to squeeze people for their money like a tube of toothpaste.
@Sonar90
@Sonar90 Месяц назад
They did this for the old battlefield games. Sunset all the login servers despite having thousands of people still playing those old games. To force you to buy or play the newer battlefield games even if the newer ones lacked some of the core features they liked. When a bunch of nostalgic gamers got together and rebuilt those login servers on their own EA came in and sued the revival project into oblivion for copyright infringement or some such bullshit.
@joemancool
@joemancool Месяц назад
The older battlefields were not planned to go offline, they just sorta happened when gamespy went under. But yeah still kind of annoying no secondary measure was introduced post game deth.
@ryanc.3162
@ryanc.3162 Месяц назад
In their defense, when you buy Battlefield 2024 they give you access to the multiplay portions of many of their old games.
@TheNiteNinja19
@TheNiteNinja19 Месяц назад
Several months back Epic games removed Unreal, Unreal 2, and Unreal Tournament. You cannot get them. They are single player, or peer to peer multiplayer, games. There's no reason they should be removed from purchase anywhere.
@fjorddenierbear4832
@fjorddenierbear4832 25 дней назад
I have all of them on Steam tho
@angelorickasoy929
@angelorickasoy929 Месяц назад
If buying is not owning then piracy isn’t stealing.
@iunary
@iunary Месяц назад
Well would be cool if buying was owning, then we didnt have to pirate anymore.
@keithbassett007
@keithbassett007 Месяц назад
I don't think that is what this is about. This is about online games from what I can tell.
@ZugzugZugzugson
@ZugzugZugzugson Месяц назад
underrated comment. spot on.
@HSG4meR
@HSG4meR Месяц назад
yea, piracy was never stealing, but yea
@bradensmith8682
@bradensmith8682 Месяц назад
Amen
@Direwolf13PS3
@Direwolf13PS3 Месяц назад
If the company doesn't want to sell the old game anymore. Then emulation should be legal. Period end of story do not pass go.
@snintendog
@snintendog Месяц назад
Emulation is legal and so is backing up the Romchip and clean room reverse engineering. Its distribution of the Rom File that is always the sore point or now the BIOS or the Encrypted KEY
@user-ok6ht5bk3e
@user-ok6ht5bk3e Месяц назад
I agree too. They are art. They are independent game worlds that should be appreciated. You know in archaeology, there are laws to protect artifacts, features. Maybe at least some old games could get some of those same protections?
@DragoonWarrior790
@DragoonWarrior790 Месяц назад
I remember seeing games back in the 90s that had a label on the cover of box indicating that an online connection is required to play the game. Haven't seen that label in a long time.
@Rusty254
@Rusty254 Месяц назад
What annoys me about this is that people have been begging developers for dedicated servers in everything for years. Back in the cod blops 1 days (last time I really played) there would be constant host changes in games. I am not one of those people and I've been sad about it. Especially since I'm in a region that's almost never supported by dedicated servers.
@Michael-ex8lk
@Michael-ex8lk Месяц назад
If they did that they couldn't sell you the "new TM" game that is the same as the old game with marginally improved graphics and content cut from the previous game.
@nocturnal101ravenous6
@nocturnal101ravenous6 Месяц назад
Yeah but, pay to run it on a server system host that is not going to fold it up like Valve servers.
@ghostblackmormor8120
@ghostblackmormor8120 Месяц назад
I don't buy games if there is no private dedicated servers, especially because I know that once they don't want to pay for the servers anymore, they will just kill it. The best option is to have a mix with "official servers/private servers". And some games allow you to host servers, but you still rely on their servers to get stats and information about your character, and if they want to kill it, you lose all the progress and there is it.
@Andronicus87
@Andronicus87 Месяц назад
The publishers have been selling us COPIES of the games since Atari games. Copy is the keyword here. Go find something else to do video games are fast becoming unsustainable. Time to go outside and enjoy the world again.
@autisonm
@autisonm Месяц назад
@@ghostblackmormor8120 Or perhaps the developer initially has dedicated servers for the game and upon deciding the game and dedicated servers are no longer profitable they can update it to more easily allow private servers and then abandon it.
@MrManfhis
@MrManfhis Месяц назад
Please help Ross Scott (The creator of Freeman's Mind)! He's been working on this for years, please spread the message to other streamers and RU-vidrs.
@NetBattler
@NetBattler Месяц назад
Well as long as he is also against dei too I'll help him
@oscartattoo3910
@oscartattoo3910 Месяц назад
Freemans mind is funny AF!
@KingKrouch
@KingKrouch Месяц назад
Since I have a copy of The Crew, I'm going to follow the instructions on the site.
@johnj.spurgin7037
@johnj.spurgin7037 Месяц назад
Get this to SBI Detected! Those gamers are rallying hard these days!
@feist__
@feist__ Месяц назад
Same​@@KingKrouch
@pipz420
@pipz420 Месяц назад
TLDR: I "bought" this game/ cosmetic but 5 years later I no longer have access to my stuff when servers go down.
@leejohnson3270
@leejohnson3270 Месяц назад
I think open source in a way for an individual to see and be capable of copying said code within a year of the closing of the service or a few months in case of bankruptcy
@knowwhoiamyet
@knowwhoiamyet Месяц назад
I recall purchasing Dungeon Siege to play co-op with a friend on Steam. We learned that the game had shut down its multiplayer element, but we also recalled from our youth that the game never actually seemed to use servers of its own, it was always players connecting to players. Ingame, clicking the Multiplayer button just told you the function was disabled. This, however, was a *lie.* If you went into the steam settings, you could change the game so that instead of launching on the main menu, it launched directly into the multiplayer menu, bypassing the need to click the multiplayer button. Beyond that disabled button was... An entirely functioning multiplayer section! We connected and played just fine! I have no idea why it was like this. It seems like an entirely pointless change. Players could get around it if they wanted just fine, with a little knowhow.
@exnozgaming5657
@exnozgaming5657 Месяц назад
BTW Palworld let people host their own servers 😀.
@jazzyjswift
@jazzyjswift Месяц назад
Yeah but Palworld Devs are based AF. Of course they're going to do consumer-friendly practices.
@MrAngryMonkey100
@MrAngryMonkey100 Месяц назад
@@jazzyjswift like that is a bad thing?
@TheMasterblah
@TheMasterblah Месяц назад
Doesn't every game in that genre do the same thing? Like Ark and Valheim?
@iunary
@iunary Месяц назад
Now we only have to force everyone to do so by law. No more bullshit!!!
@user-kz6jp9kl4l
@user-kz6jp9kl4l Месяц назад
@@MrAngryMonkey100 Are you sure you've read that comment correctly?
@u9vata
@u9vata 29 дней назад
I think this is a very good cause. I am a developer and I think this is doable fairly: If a game is not playable from official sources / publishing for 5+ years it needs to be considered abandoned at that point + if you shut down servers you should at least at that point make it possible to host ones own servers - if you are not planning to do this, sell your game with a red warning sign or under term "borrowing". I would let them do this but with a sign similar to ESRB.
@toobles3
@toobles3 Месяц назад
the only problem i see with the petitions is if we do get them all signed up - the major companies are just gonna lobby the governments to prevent what we're trying to do
@slimbenjemia892
@slimbenjemia892 Месяц назад
Honestly Ross is a very good content creator, and this "Holding the companies accountable" problem is a recent thing he's been talking about for MAAANY years ! If anything, i respect such determination that got him to advance this much ! I'm sure that if things manage to get better (GOG style), he'll be one of the unsung heroes !
@JonnyBoyOfficial
@JonnyBoyOfficial Месяц назад
YOOO ITS THE DUDE FROM FREEMANS MIND!!!
@TheMetalKoala
@TheMetalKoala Месяц назад
Bro thank you! I was sitting here like "I know this voice, who are you?!?!"
@ibvlik3637
@ibvlik3637 Месяц назад
Yeah I recognized that voice.
@Shoesington
@Shoesington Месяц назад
He still makes videos! Lots of videos!
@Leandra001
@Leandra001 Месяц назад
Glad Ross is getting noticed from this video. I sent to some of my YT's I sub to and hope they spread the word
@evangaudet
@evangaudet Месяц назад
You should probably keep doing those halo theme song videos dude. They’re in the millions of views when all your other videos are in the 10k views range. Make that cheddar.
@Hulkeq2
@Hulkeq2 Месяц назад
17:46 Like with any contract, if the content is against the law you can say yes till the cows go home it's not allowed. "by clicking yes you allow us to murder you" is never binding, since murdering you is against the law.
@RebelGiga
@RebelGiga Месяц назад
It's like if you bought a ticket for 100$ that allows you to get free refills of Dr.Pepper for 1 year at McDonalds. You go to refill your cup and drink it, then 1 day later McDonalds stops selling Dr.Pepper.
@Darkrender
@Darkrender Месяц назад
This isn't just about online games. This is also about almost every single game you ever buy nowadays. Back in the day, you DID own your own physical copy of the game. You could even burn copies of it for yourself if you wanted to. Same with movies. If you had the disk, and it was undamaged, and you owned the hardware to run it, then even if you bought that game two decades ago or more, you could still play that game or watch that movie. NOW though, almost no games come on a physical medium. Even console games don't have all of the data needed to install and play the game on their disks. They usually have to phone home to the company's servers to download the last 10 to 20% of the game and then install all the day 1 patches. Thats if the console game box you purchased even HAS a disk in it at all, and doesn't just contain a little slip of paper with a download key. On PC (and the digital stores on consoles), every single game you buy is through some kind of platform service like Steam. If most of the PC games you own are on Steam, and Steam shuts down tomorrow, you've effectively lost access to all of your games regardless of whether they were online games or singleplayer. The only way you might be able to recover them is if you just so happened to have them installed to your PC when the shutdown happened. Or they could just ban your account, or it could get hacked, etc. If you lose that account for any reason, you're essentially screwed out of possibly thousands of dollars of product you "purchased"
@entropyOTD
@entropyOTD Месяц назад
17:04 ToS don't always hold up in court, if the ToS can be deemed as primarily predatory or monopolistic, there is legal grounds to absolve the ToS under that litigation. They're not just made to protect the company legally, but also to prevent people from attempting to fight them in the first place legally. It is not illegal to make an illegal contract, it is only illegal to try to enforce the illegal contract. Not a legal expert, but I remember this was a thing that's been said in a court before.
@Weaver_Games
@Weaver_Games Месяц назад
I'm also not a legal expert by any means but I was under the impression if a clause in the contract is found to be illegal the entire contract can be voided as bad faith, not just that part of it. Very likely I could be wrong.
@solidsteel3634
@solidsteel3634 Месяц назад
Imagine you buy a new car and the manufacturer decides that there are no more spare parts available a year later.
@techzonekid
@techzonekid Месяц назад
the funny thing is the crew was given away in 2016 by ubisoft for their 30th anniversary. most of the people i played with got the game for free. the only reason i bought the crew 2 was because of this. never buying a ubisoft game again
@cjmc17
@cjmc17 Месяц назад
Either have the people host or let games have an Offline mode
@xLionsxxSmithyx
@xLionsxxSmithyx Месяц назад
This is one of the reason years ago why i was so against games running on Dedicated servers and moving away from Peer2Peer.
@snintendog
@snintendog Месяц назад
@@xLionsxxSmithyx its not like p2p is any worse than dedicated anyway its just different target same game.
@vonborgah
@vonborgah Месяц назад
Will every person on planet her promise they wont ever cheat, pirate, modify etc the game. No 100% certainty, no go.
@JustGRP
@JustGRP Месяц назад
I paid $60 dollars for overwatch 1 and it no longer exists.
@iunary
@iunary Месяц назад
Yeah and somehow thats LEGAL... imagine you bought anything physical for 60bucks and then the company came over and took it from you...
@Blamo87
@Blamo87 Месяц назад
TRUUUUE
@perlundgren7797
@perlundgren7797 Месяц назад
@@iunary I'm not saying that it's good, but it's legal for the simple reason that people agree to the terms and conditions.
@Shiroi0moi
@Shiroi0moi Месяц назад
@@perlundgren7797 ...after the purchase was already made. That's the single thing I can't fathom. You buy the game and they require you to read a long list of legal gobbledygook and demand you to press "agree" to even play the game. How is this shit legal? Shouldn't it be done before I've given them my money? How do I know what they put into EULA and how they plan to change the game after my purchase? I didn't have my consultant next to me and all I did was press "enter" accidentally just to get to the game I shilled out 80 bucks for. That is in no way legally binding and shouldn't be considered as such in any capacity. Pure fraud
@briancollins7296
@briancollins7296 Месяц назад
​@@iunary i picture a fine family gathering at thanksgiving, and while youve just sat down and filled your plate in comes a rep from pfaltzgraff, who picks up each plate, dumping the food on the tablecloth and smashes the plates in the street. your neighbors across the street thought theyd outsmart the rep by using paper plates, but the dixie rep is just turned the street corner.
@josephneri1982
@josephneri1982 Месяц назад
I think the only acceptable thing would be to force these companies to put a big disclaimer on the box, along the lines of cigarette packs, that says 'Access to online servers may be terminated at any time.' The same should be true for online game purchases for a digital copy; there should be a mandatory 'accept - decline' window that must be clicked through with the same warning. The way it is now, it's like buying a new car and three years later someone from the dealership comes without notice and puts a governor in it. And I don't want to hear anything about fine print disclaimers on the back of the box saying something like - 'online service may be interrupted' or 'you are only buying a license'. Ambiguous disclaimers like these shouldn't even be allowed, and they should legally have to be at least half the font size of the largest text on the box or contract.
@JackMelqart
@JackMelqart Месяц назад
the issue is with Term of service it gets changed all the time.. i mean you buy a game with certain tos attached to it, and then 3 years later they put in X new line to which you have to agree even if you dont want to , cos you either do it or you cant play the game anymore. this is criminal. there should be no term of service change allowed beside the ones a new law mandates.
@omfg322
@omfg322 Месяц назад
Older generations would understand if you word it properly. Imagine you bought a blender, the blender works for 30 ish years, the company makes a new blender and wants you to buy the new blender by coming to your house and taking the old blender away with no refund.
@A-Clear_View
@A-Clear_View Месяц назад
hmmmmmmmmmmm big brain
@xCCflierx
@xCCflierx Месяц назад
You can't guarantee a blender will work for 30 years. It's crazy to expect a video game to work FOREVER
@wtrflsh
@wtrflsh Месяц назад
I think it should become a trend for devs to release dedicated servers if they close their own. Hell, maybe even make it an EU Law for bigger companies that could easily add it.
@SWOTHDRA
@SWOTHDRA Месяц назад
Yup
@This0is0pointless
@This0is0pointless 20 дней назад
It's not just an issue with online multi-player, if a game uses some kind of drm with a server to verify the game you cant even play it at all even if you have the disc after the servers are taken down, unless someone's done "something" to get around it
@WirrWicht
@WirrWicht 8 часов назад
I bought the "The Crew" solely on the assumption it would not rely on servers, cause on Steam it is marked as "single player". And they just refused to switch off the server dependancy, although the game already contains at least parts of this offline, single player mode.
@TheGary108
@TheGary108 Месяц назад
It’s funny because I actually knew someone similar to Ross in my neighborhood. He only really played on the Super Nintendo and he was curious about playing on the newer consoles. I ended up teaching him about Emulators for his PC and helped him pick out an Switch on sale. He was real surprised when I explained to him what a “Live Service” game was and he immediately said it sounded like they were just selling you an idea and trying to extort more money for a “Finished” product. If an technologically illiterate person was able to see Live Service for what it is, then it frankly should have been regulated if not outright restricted.
@AdriftForWeeks
@AdriftForWeeks Месяц назад
It's so good that Asmon watched this video so more people wouls become aware. Keep in mind that there are also single player games that are just DEAD because they require authentication from a now out of commission server. Ross is a great guy and his videos are top notch. He's been reporting on this stuff for ages now and it's good he's getting all the help to spread awareness of this stupid practice.
@JO-hs1ue
@JO-hs1ue Месяц назад
Single player games can be so misleading these days. Sure you can play the game completely offline, but before you can do that, It's a requirement to download a day one patch to even start the game. Practices like this is completely bullshit. I should be able play games straight off the disk like advertised. I paid for the game, the console downloaded gigabytes of data so that the game works, and now your saying I can't access anything unless I connect online?
@randomaccount53793
@randomaccount53793 Месяц назад
What we need is an option for trusted companies that buy the distribution rights and receives the source code so they are able to maintain many different games. That way the publisher will still get royalties and release any liability and costs (under the proposed laws) while protecting the source code, and the trusted company can continue to develop/sell the game. It would be preferable for game companies to fix the game for offline and allow self hosting. But this could be an option.
@ElKirbo
@ElKirbo Месяц назад
I'd love to see this proposal branch into digital media like movies and TV, if you buy media on a streaming platform and that platform goes down, then you should be able to download all of your "bought" media.
@zfsbsdxky-om8ez
@zfsbsdxky-om8ez Месяц назад
It wasn't clear in the video but The Crew is basically a single player game with an online requirement.
@briancollins7296
@briancollins7296 Месяц назад
i assume it wont let the user press play from the main menu now that the online check doesnt pass.
@alex_vee
@alex_vee Месяц назад
I wonder if Ubisoft will pretend that The Crew is still "functional", because you can still launch the game and go to the main menu
@ICircuit64
@ICircuit64 Месяц назад
"In any other industry it would be illegal to destroy what they sold you" Yeah right, ask Louis Rossmann about that one. TVs, security cameras, baby monitors, smartphones, vehicles, etc. It happens every industry where cloud service is involved and it's terrible.
@Camustang
@Camustang Месяц назад
In any country where consumers have rights, that is.
@wilfridtaylor
@wilfridtaylor Месяц назад
It would be nice if it become a common thing that happens in the industry where they do a patch to undo any security that locks it to their servers and then publish the protocol or release a nerfed server implementation for it. That way the community can take it from there and they don't have to spend much,
@DesmondDentresti
@DesmondDentresti 22 дня назад
If your game is Always Online, and breaks down if you end support for it, you should be legally obligated to change all their language to say "Rent now" instead of the "Buy now" on their store page and the launch trailers.
@chickenwings6172
@chickenwings6172 Месяц назад
The crew is 99% offline, there is a whole single player game. The online stuff is only for the DLC part calls the summit. So the base game is 100% offline and the DLC is the only online part. Ubisoft could very easy make the game playable offline.
@buttermilk5364
@buttermilk5364 Месяц назад
Planned obsolescence.
@Jairoe03
@Jairoe03 Месяц назад
​@@buttermilk5364 that' s not planned obsolescence. Planned obsolescence is when something is meant to break BY DESIGN of the product itself and no longer work generally to force consumers to buy the product again and again, which means product only lasts a short period of time aka a lot less than 10 years (when the Crew was released). Planned obsolescence isn't the result of something outside of the product deciding to no longer support it (like an entire game studio) especially after its worked for 10 years.
@IanSlatas
@IanSlatas Месяц назад
That's not correct. If the product is intentionally designed so that it requires active manufacturer support, then it doesn't matter if the planned lifespan is 10 years or 10 months. It was always intentionally planned to be obsolete.
@Jairoe03
@Jairoe03 Месяц назад
@@IanSlatas you just described every piece of software ever launched, doesn't make sense, its a term that actually is intended to mean something pretty specific, not a general term for things that eventually become broken/not supported. The term is being bastardized.
@IanSlatas
@IanSlatas Месяц назад
@@Jairoe03 Except, I didn't describe every piece of software, just most software from the last decade, some from 15 years and some software from over 20 years ago. You must be young. No one is requiring endless support from a company, just that they not be the ones in control of the off switch. For example, I can still run every NES game I ever purchased that isn't physically broken. I can still run all of my old RTS games and Need For Speed games from the 90's and early 2000's...except for Motor City Online that EA specifically shut down less than 2 years after launch (this is the problem). I can still play Unreal. My mirrors of my old windows 2000 server still run. On and on. Software "requiring" constant connectivity to run is a design choice and an anti-consumer one. I think a lot of people are far too comfortable with the current paradigm and don't know what it was like prior to this shift. Some market sectors still don't tolerate handing control to the software companies (ie. some analytical software for engineering) but the pressure from Autodesk to comply is strong.
@VanGohman
@VanGohman Месяц назад
I work for Incredible Technologies the makers of Golden Tee Golf among other things. We made a PC version of Golden Tee Golf, and we hosted the online server. But after a long while, we decided to shut the server down. We had so many players still playing the game, that we put out a patch that allowed them to serve themselves peer to peer. It's been well over a decade now, and I still occasionally get tech support emails from some old guy who still lives for the PC version who doesn't realize they can still get the patch.
@MrCrazyGameGuy
@MrCrazyGameGuy Месяц назад
Fun fact: When you pirate a game, you own it, because the developers can't take it away :D Also I don't think Asmon understands, if you buy something; you're supposed to own it, hence the reason you bought it. They don't tell you that you're buying a temporary service when you buy the game. It's like if I buy a TV, and then after a year the company walks into my house and smashes the tv, melts it down and throws it out the window, then tells me it's fine because they have a new TV coming out for me to buy.
@RipOffProductionsLLC
@RipOffProductionsLLC Месяц назад
26:45 "Internet comments don't matter..." "Exactly." "Unless a government official is reading them." "Then you go to jail." I love this commentary.
@MangoTangoFox
@MangoTangoFox Месяц назад
The huge thing asmon is missing here is that the VAST MAJORITY, like >95% of games that don't allow play with loss of a connection... DON'T have true/justified online dependencies, but rather simply online-DRM put in for control and maximizing profitability, having little to nothing to do with the core game design concept. The percentage is so high because of mobile and browser-based gaming where the practice is insanely common, as mobile games are most often solitary experiences as connections aren't good enough to support high bandwidth low latency server response, so server requirements are only there to push and validate the MTX purchasing and prevent workarounds. If only considering things that shipped on discs, the number would be lower but still very high, as it is still very rare for games to have dedicated servers that do a ton in a multiplayer match, as they would in say Valorant/Apex/Overwatch... most multiplayer games that exist are more P2P, using servers only for matchmaking that could just have easily done by the game itself on LAN or self-hosted server software, that they don't allow at all because again the #1 goal is MTX and protecting/forcing those transactions.
@Voldrim359
@Voldrim359 Месяц назад
Ok, this is the thing... You are not owing the game, you were just allowed to play it...
@mnap89
@mnap89 Месяц назад
Yes, there is game Gran Turismo 7 on Playstation. There is HUGE single player content in it but the game requires constant internet access to connect with sony servers so you could play SINGLE PLAYER GAME against AI while everything runs on your LOCAL console. Without internet access game will play only arcade rece with about 95% single player content missing. Fantastic game design!
@MangoTangoFox
@MangoTangoFox Месяц назад
​@@Voldrim359 But the games and microtransactions are presented/advertised and sold AS IF they are perpetually ownable goods/software-licenses NOT as a subscriptions (like Netflix) even though that's exactly what MTX are... undisclosed software subscriptions, but with no guarantees or protections or user recourse of any kind... MTX are and have always been blatant fraud, already not legal in almost all other industries, but allowed here because most people are technologically illiterate and morally bankrupt (via the lobbying org the ESA/ESRB)... which is also why the space is a haven for completely and totally unregulated/unrestricted/unprotected gambling that rakes in many dozens of billions a year.
@purpirek
@purpirek Месяц назад
Those kind of games are way too toxic
@Nyakomata
@Nyakomata Месяц назад
What games? There are quite a few but 95%? Let’s not be crazy.
@darkmage07070777
@darkmage07070777 Месяц назад
Asmond IS correct that a publisher shouldn't be obligated to keep their games working. The main point is that a lot of these self-contained games continue to work to this day *because we have access to the code*. That's where emulators, ROMs, Abandonware, etc all come from - access to the code. Without full access to the code (i.e. "online only" requiring connection to company net-code blackboxes), we don't have the ability to do any of those things at all; once a game is gone, it's *gone forever*. The thing is, this can also extend to self-contained games such as NES titles. This would allow titles that Nintendo or SEGA or EA or whoever don't care about to become available for preservation, modification and (non-monetized) sharing without having to worry about an army of lawyers ramming the door down with cease and dissists in patent troll fashion. If they don't care about a game, why should that game be lost forever to those who do and are willing to maintain it?
@Temperans
@Temperans Месяц назад
I can agree with this
@XenoSpyro
@XenoSpyro Месяц назад
Anybody that argues "you just want the company to run the game forever ur stupid lol" have not only lost the plot, they've dropped the plot on the floor jelly side down.
@douglasmurdoch7247
@douglasmurdoch7247 Месяц назад
It’s actually Asmon*, not Asmond. His name is Asmon-gold. There’s no D there after the N. Just “Asmon”.
@Stevo.100
@Stevo.100 Месяц назад
When they make the games they design them to stop working when the server goes offline, they could design it so it doesn't require their server, or a server at all. But they don't do that.
@PBlitzz
@PBlitzz Месяц назад
@@XenoSpyro exactly what i was thinking. its not about keeping the servers running its losing access entirely to a games you spent money on.
@Dezwolf15
@Dezwolf15 Месяц назад
the France part is extremely useful as it can set a precedent which can be cited in a US court as a consumer protection model for the FTC
@CamoflaugeDinosaue
@CamoflaugeDinosaue 21 день назад
Legally pretty difficult to use precedents from other countries’ laws in court. Might be a precedent for new legal regulation to actually be implemented though
@matthewwest2482
@matthewwest2482 3 дня назад
No it’s not… it would be quite the challenge in fact as they have different inherent rights and a different constitution. You can’t just pick and choose which laws from different countries you would like to apply in a random legal case
@BicheTordue
@BicheTordue 25 дней назад
49:06 it's amusing to see that's there's also a legal parallel for this case with automobile, there was one too with right to repair
@_nullzy
@_nullzy Месяц назад
"I AM CAPTAIN DOCTOR GORDON FREEMAN OF THE INTERGALACTIC HOUSE OF PANCAKES, ORDERING YOU TO OPEN!"
@TheCoinFlip
@TheCoinFlip Месяц назад
I'm so happy you're signal boosting this
@YaaSalty...0_o
@YaaSalty...0_o Месяц назад
Hell yea
@mothbreeder641
@mothbreeder641 Месяц назад
Shame he's defending the publishers.
@erumaaro6060
@erumaaro6060 22 дня назад
steam etc are also an issue. it is impossible to use the product unless the online service exists/is functional.
@FreakyD83
@FreakyD83 Месяц назад
The 2 biggest issues ive personally seen are Battleborn, and the Love Live mobile games. With battleborn, it started out being sold , moved on to being FTP, then they shut down service for it completely. The game relied on the servers in order to function, so it was immediately rendered dead. With Love Live games they ran their SIF game for a loooong time, raked in a lot of money for it, and they moved on to release a new game, Love Live All Stars. At some point, they started working on a sequel to SIF, and when it released in Japan, they eventually decided to shut down the original. I personallh spent a good amount of money on that game, so that was flushed down the toilet. They gave us some rewards to be carried over to the second game, but honestly, not really worth much. THEN they decided to shut down All Stars. They promised SIF2 would be coming to global. And in january this year, they announced its upcoming release. AND.. in the same release announcement, only a sentence or 2 apart, announced it's upcoming EoS as well. I believe they just shut it down in Japan on the 31st, and Global has one month left. While its nice that they kept their promise to release it, albeit for a short time, that didnt stop them from monetizing a game that was essentially Dead on Arrival. They basically threw a terminally ill patient at us, told us "have fun with it while it's around, but not TOO much. After all, its still a gacha game, and it takes money to keep this dying fuck alive"
@Kesvalk
@Kesvalk Месяц назад
Ross and Asmon is actually a match made in heaven. both are goblins that like games and fight mold on a daily basis.
@daniamataka5377
@daniamataka5377 Месяц назад
Oh yeah, Ross had a black mold problem that delayed his videos, I remember that!
@SmittyWJManJensen
@SmittyWJManJensen Месяц назад
He looks like Asmon's twin brother
@RandomloserDK
@RandomloserDK Месяц назад
Unofficial WoW servers were very much a thing, until Blizzard got them shut down. People were playing the original WoW(lvl 1-60) on them, while Blizzard said that feat would be impossible.
@rogersmothers7435
@rogersmothers7435 Месяц назад
On a private Wotlk server right now as I type, waiting for this RS 25 to fill. I had so many high end geared chars on this server I had no reason to play Wotlk classic. Whats the purpose. Do it again? And pay for it? Gtfo
@jimjamjoeyjoejoe
@jimjamjoeyjoejoe Месяц назад
I get why some games require some connection to a server hosted by the publisher, but there have been a lot in the last several years that have not required this but have it anyway. Hawken is a great example; it's an arena shooter a la Quake III or Unreal Tournament, and yet it had to be hosted on publisher-owned servers and of course one day the pulled the plug. So today, I can still play Quake III but not Hawken, a game that is virtually the same in gameplay.
@1LuvMLPFiM
@1LuvMLPFiM Месяц назад
I just got a surge of flashbacks watching Freemind's Mind years ago when I heard his voice.
@Keibroz
@Keibroz Месяц назад
ToS is not binding especially if they update it every month, which is another point for investigation.
@ChadeGB
@ChadeGB Месяц назад
This was always publishers plans from the beginning, starting with controlling online mp games, they took away our ability to run our own private servers, so they could shutdown support for that game whenever they wanted, which is generally when the next version of that game comes out, so they can force people to pay for the new game. Then they started pushing for "games as a service" Singleplayer titles that are always online, have to connect to a server to authenticate and so on, so they can once again shutdown support for it whenever they want and force gamers to pay for the newly released sequel. They want to control what we play, how we play, when we play and ultimately, if we can play.
@MatrixAlphaCWX
@MatrixAlphaCWX Месяц назад
Live service games should all have Peer to Peer services if they close. No reason not to have it, keeps your art/dream/game alive forever even without the dev's. Unreal Tournament 99 is still alive and running on pc because of this.
@goonagun
@goonagun Месяц назад
I remember playing a game called ‘The Sting’ . A little thief simulator with a cartoonish visual style. I’m still stunned that this game which was quite charming and it still fun has just disappeared from any store and even if you manage to get a physical copy, the game doesn’t even work on modern windows versions. This is just an example
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