Xbox's Plan For Growth Is... Game Pass? 

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@@user-pg5sz2vn1w rocksmith requested it, no ? and helldivers has nothing to do with valve. So what are you even saying ?

@@user-pg5sz2vn1w wdym valve gave free refunds, which made sony backtrack.

@@user-pg5sz2vn1whelldivers is Sonys cake tho not valves. They just sold it on steam.

I swear I’ve seen this Gabe comment 100 times under 3 different Asmon videos

if gamepass made games come with all dlc it would be good , but buying dlc for a game you cannot play withouth a subscription is insane

Cosmetic micro transactions are not an issue if the game is free.

@@MrRafagigapr thats a you problem, if game pass included dlc the price for the subscription would skyrocket to make up for the money microsoft would have to spend to get games on game pass, if you see a game you like on game pass and you want to buy the dlc you buy the full game with the game pass discount and then buy the dlc.

'sup sicko brrt brrt lezgo wicked yup

​@@adamboyd8316the issue is thinking exactly that 😢

classic Asmon

it must be hard when u realize Asmond is smarter than you XD Microsoft knows what theyre doing in the Big-game where it goes about Billions. But yeah they have no clue in the small decisions, they really dont care at all about that little loss. Now i need to put an example cause u mostly still dont get it: Small-game: Great games and very small money with tango Big-game: Buy ALL studios and close them so only u exist anymore They just didnt check the small stuff, it just goes down with the big tidal wave decisions.

@@Shadowclaw25 what you said about MS contradicts when Asmon saids, but you also said he's smarter.

He's talking out of his ass. Most of these developing countries will never utilize cloud gaming or it'll be a really long time. Shit us in the usa hardly use cloud gaming that often.

@@urekmazino6800 you telling me the Tajikistan and Gambia wont have gigabit fiber optics in a year or two? Or most of PSN blacklisted countries either?

also, Game pass is Core (6.99€) + Game pass console (9.99€) + PC Game pass(9.99€) + Gamepass Ultimate(14.99€). We do not know how much is actually Ultimate subscribers and how does it complare to PS plus structure. It makes more sense to simply compare the sum. 34 mil. vs 47 mil. There might be less Ultimate subscribers as PS plus premium subscribers or less PC game pass subscribers as PS plus Extra subscribers. Just saying

Exactly, I was saying the same thing, Gamepass has tiers as well and they forced live users into Gamepass to increase user base

Don’t worry about it tho it will shoot up if cod is in the gamepass day 1. I find so crazy how much we all care about if Microsoft is making money lol. I don’t care if they’re losing subs or money if I can subscribe and get a bunch of cool games at my disposal I’m all for it why should it matter to me if it’s a good business model for them? All those big names at Xbox and Microsoft are millionaires.

That math doesn't add up though as it's incomplete data. That's taking the old 25 million gamepass number [console+PC+ultimate] and just directly adding gold to it. Many people would have already had both gamepass and gold as it was, and with gold/core being included in ultimate, a switch from gold+console to just ultimate would be a reduction in the total number without losing any subscribers. Similarly, if people had been subbing to console and PC separately, then upgraded to ultimate, the number would drop from 2 to 1 but no subs were actually lost. Without a full and transparent breakdown of the numbers, 34m being lower than 37m is actually completely meaningless and highly misleading.

look at what ubisoft did, you own the game but then they decided not to support it anymore and recalled all the keys to those games. So, you never owned it either.

the truth is, owning or renting/streaming, the only thing that matters is playing the games. and buying digital media isnt owning anyway so might aswell take the cheaper option.

you will beta test the games you will find ze bugz and you will be happy

Has been a thing with digital media for a while, look at how they censored and removed things from the Skullgirls artbook people brought on steam

idk why yall really want to own something, a casual gamer is always trying to play new games, I bought Hogwarts fineshed the game and I'll never look at it again unless there's a DLC, the game is not even installed anymore. I would much happier if I had played it for $10 than $70, couldnt care less about not owning it. I moved from my xbox X to pc and right now I just downloaded Jedi Survivor, Madden 24, manors lord, if I had to buy it would have cost a lot, what means that I simply wouldnt have the opportunity to play this games now, truly dont understand the hate with gamepass

This is interesting, I never thought of that. So basically what youre saying is: Cloud gaming requires unlimited data --> only relatively wealthy people have unlimited data --> cloud data is only accessible to the relatively wealthy but they can afford hardware so they dont need it --> cloud gaming will not open any new markets?

@@plantex625 It may open new markets but I think Asmon, by not knowing the data costs, doesn’t include that in his predictions. The reason why disk games are still popular in 3rd world nations is because of data speeds and data in general. I grew up in Cameroon and it’s so bad, it could take most of your day just to download a movie. Even when I went to visit, I was constantly paying an astronomical amount just to add data so I can watch RU-vid for most of the day. The amount I spend on unlimited here was only enough to barely cover 2 weeks and that’s with me using my rich American money. Look at the minimum wage in these countries and you will find out how unaffordable it is to constantly pay for those high data rates.

not only that but the speed and latency requirements of cloud gaming means the service cost is on the high side even if they are available.

That isn't solely a problem in 3rd world nations. Some ISPs in the US have monthly bandwidth caps (ex. Xfinity). Not to mention, there are many places in the US that don't have fast internet. The legal definition of high speed internet in the US is only 25mbps, which isn't that much. If you want good latency and performance from streaming games in the cloud, you might be hard pressed finding that speedy fiber optic connection outside of large metro areas.

This is where they make most their money sooooo I don't think they are worried about unlimited 5g/5g+/6g and wifi 6-7. It's just if enough can convert in the next 5+ years. Many other countries even less profitable are also investing into cloud based gaming that we never heard of that Microsoft teamed with. It doesn't have to be competitive just playable. Playstation blocked 200 countries from helldivers 2 without a care. No gain for them due to wealth, regulations, or population. Even their new game launching on steam is the exact same.

Over centuries it will get better

​@@dox.Kthink you meant decades dawg

You BRICS countries will have money very soon, essentially you are getting away using the dollar for trade.

Your obviously uneducated about the subject, South America median speed is relatively fast. Fiber optics became the primary source for internet in South America in 2021 and by 2028 will be 90% of connections. Chile has the 5th fastest internet by median in the world, faster then the US. Brazil is 27th and Costa Rica and Peru have approximately the same internet speed.

There are people here in Hungary, who still get internet only through satellite and mobile.

Realistically, even if it was 20 for normal GP a month, and $30-35 for ultimate a month. It's still worth it in the yr over yr or even on a month to month basis. People seem to forget games cost $75 a pop now a days or even $40 for half decent good indie titles. What would you rather do? Spend 20-35 a month to try it out and several hundred titles you may never buy but curious about or buy every game and regret it because it's a shit game? Clearly if you have kids it's new to them so it's good for a family situation. At the end of the day it's a good deal even if it was $50 a month it's still cheaper then a movie date with a woman.

@@zonedout3390no it’s not worth. It’s not worth at all cause you won’t have the time to play those games cause the majority of people play 2-3 games a year or only one particular game. Only >1% of players have that much free time to really use GP exhaustively.

@@zonedout3390 Wrong. It's more expensive than a movie date dressed up as a woman. You're not thinking 4th dimensionally peanut butter falcon.

It's great for families and people with a lot of time + no library

​@@zonedout3390I'm playing the sims 3 for the last 3 years. I know lots of people just playing one game or 2-3 games years after years. So about 50% of people will think 30-40 bucks a month is a waste of money. I can only play 3 hrs a day (max) and I know most adults who have a job will be in the same situation.

Thats why I don't care for it at the moment. I'm in rural WV with bad internet, unless they upgrade my infrastructure here I simply can't take advantage of it.

Yea I dont see Brazil and India being able to be viable cloud stream gaming markets in the next 5 years. Just seems unrealistic to expect thst. If MS strategy is currently based on such looooooong-term expansion plan, then their current action of layoffs doesnt make much sense to me

@@solidkwon Honestly Brazil and India will probably get better connection earlier than countries like Germany. When I lived there I was shocked to see that they still don't have fibers in their big cities and have awful connection compare to everywhere in East Europe.

Yeah, if cloud was so great why did Stadia die at launch essentially? 😅 We don't have the infrastructure for it and won't for a long time in most places.

Yes but also 10s of millions from the developing world are moving to first world countries every year. Make the customers come to infrustructure...

gamepass is a DEI injection tool targeting children & adult versions of children

Disagree IMO. Plenty of good games come out on gamepass. Another crabs treasure, Lies of P, Palworld, Manor Lords, Forza Motorsport, Vampire survivors, Forza, Jedi Survivor, Rainbow 6 Seige. If you bought a small portion of those your well over the yearly gamepass fee. Plenty of productive adults can play 4 or 5 games a year.

Twenty dollars a month isn't hurting anyone for Game pass 🎮🎮🎮🎮 Plenty of people are paying for it. It's Netflix for gaming basically

because if you play more than two games on it a year you are saving money. I think that is pretty good and most, not all gamers would probably play more than that

Good for someone that just want to try the game, or a third worlder like me who cant buy expensive game (Persona 3 Reload for me)

people paying for ps-network + the game, i like gamepass, who play games forever ?

Bro they arent your games unless you purchase them. In which case you dont need gamepass to play them anymore. And unless your buying a physical disc, you dont own it! Even physical discs can be made to no longer function via update.

Its so frustrating that he doesnt understand the natural hardware latency of fibre optic cables. Unless we invent something that can transmit data at many times faster than the speed of light, it wont happen. Or unless they put servers on every street lol.

​@@proudofyourroots9575 single mode, glass optical fibre, which afaik is the industry standard for medium to long range connections, adds about 1 milisecond of latency per 200 kilometres. add on a few miliseconds for routing and optical modem overhead, then, unless you live literally thousands of kilometres from the nearest datacentre with these cloud gaming machines, the added latency should be 30 miliseconds or less. for multiplayer games, some of this latency can be recouped by colocating the cloud gaming machines with the game servers, thereby reducing client-server latency to single-digit miliseconds, compared to ~30ms for regular users living within reasonable distance to those game servers. the speed of light is not the problem. the real issues for cloud gaming imo are bandwidth, data caps and economics. geforce now, for example, recommends a bandwidth of 50 Mb/s for 1080p60 on their service (although ofc they use variable bitrate encoding for tolerance), that can already be a tall ask for many people, especially in developing countries (south america, india, etc., as asmon mentioned). assuming you do have that bandwidth reliably and that it *does* actually use all 50 Mb/s for streaming the game, that would use up ~22 *Gigabytes* of data for an hour of gaming. many people (again, especially in developing countries) have data caps on their internet, often in the houndreds of gigabytes per month, which this would easily chew through in a matter of days. this would make it an extreme non-starter for many, unless microsoft/xbox negotiate exceptions with their isps. then there's the economics: building up cloud-gaming capacity is a big capital risk, plus the cost of electricity, the cost of data on their end, plus maintenance and management, hardware depreciation, and all that on top of their current capital risk of putting games on game pass AND the inevitable desire for higher profit margins (otherwise why bother with all of this?). somehow all of this has to be priced competetively versus buying a console/pc outright, which i don't see happening right now.

"The speed of light is always getting better."

@@proudofyourroots9575 quantum superposition is definitely going to be the far far future of internet. No need to worry about light speed.

What does speed of light have to do with anything

Hall, Megamind - nov 5, 2010

Blizzard is responsible for a lot of its own failures. It has nothing to do with who owns it.

No no no no no no no no. Blizzard caused effectively all its issues

​@@cablefeed3738The people that own them can tell them to stop fucking up. Many people can have responsibility at the same time.

@@Jobocan.you dont know the industry works please stop talking

Tell us you’re old

@@kavid8120 He is right, and I'm not even old. Old people have the movie/book backlog, young people have the gaming backlog.

Physical copy is just becoming link to server where the game is.

Some of my games are scratched, and yeah it's my fault but also it's probably never going to change , so dont like that part

@@kavid8120so people gotta be old to not be dumb and to actually want to own things they buy?🤡 tell us you ain’t fully vaccinated 😂

or stop blatantly hyping up games to just put them on one special platform. my pc can run every single new xbox game, but they only let you play about 25% of them. and you need to have the blizzard launcher installed, running in the background, for your xbox launcher to even work correctly.

??? they put all their games on steam....

​@@nathanhargenrader645 What he meant is making Game Pass directly on Steam, Kinda like How u can get the EA PLAY Subscription directly from Steam Store👀

We're tslking about GamePass PC, not Steam@@nathanhargenrader645

Or make xbox shop a lot better

Actually, companies are closing and the game industry is in the middle of a bloodbath of layoffs.

Hello socialism

I think they are being subsidized by someone...there's no way that CEOs and all the intelligent ppl that huge mega-corps like these have at their disposal, can consistently make the same mistakes over, and over, and over, when 99% of the fans know exactly what they need to do in order to be successful...this is willful and intentionally kicking themselves in the balls.

Depends on the company. A company like Activision blizzard subsidizes failures with wow Companies like Arkane Austin shut down

How do you expect Microsoft to go broke when their fourth biggest money maker is failing?

It would have like half at most. Gamepass gives you a discount + promotes the game way more, you can read interviews of smaller developers talking about how it helps the game.

It was shadowdroped in the direct. There was no attention before because nobody knew it exist

This game looks good I’ll wait for it to be on steam sell. Well that’s my thinking

@@007DeAngelo that's not the topic though.

Yeah I feel like Microsoft really wanted the subscribe n forget you subscribed types of ppl but in this economy ain't nobody forgetting so it's schedule your vacation time or wait for holidays n sub for a month, game a ton n unsub. Lol however I will say it did force Sony to try n compete n Microsoft can tank more $ then Sony can. Hell look what they've been able to do with exclusives as Sony is looking like they dropping exclusivity as well now so perhaps it worked to plan after all.

Same thing with many publishers who put their games on sale really soon after release. I know someone who always buys Ubisoft games at release, but has finally decided to stop recently because she knows it'll just go on a 50% discount 3 months later anyway, with bugfixes, performance improvements and QoL updates as an added bonus, so what's the point in buying it on release? That's one of the reasons why Nintendo games sell so well - there's no hesitancy waiting for a better deal, because the best you'll get is 30% off, years down the line, and the games generally release in a pretty finished state. Meanwhile on the same platform you look at Mario vs Rabbids Sparks of Hope (from Ubisoft again, funny how that works, huh?) which everyone saw and went "looks nice - I'll grab it when the gold edition is like $15, like I did with the first game", and then the game didn't sell well at release at all

That is what happened with Hi-Fi RUSH. The game pass cannibalized the game's sales and it led to Microsoft seeing the game as a failure. The game pass like EGS is where games go to die.

God and that's if we lived in a perfect world where distance would be the only issue "There, have your network congestion. Sorry not sorry, line is just full" "What do you mean we have countries that has less latency playing with foreigners than with themselves" "Sorry, construction workers has just cut your optical fiber lines, this could have been totally avoided teehee" "Oh your ISP is down for maintenance. Btw, the contract said it's this bitrate so don't complain we can't keep it up lol" Unless the cloud is directly inside people's building, latency will NEVER improve

You can find maps of data centers to be built and you'll notice they are a little more rural but they'll be located based of the population they serve to reduce latency.

Yep. Cloud gaming as a product may become more reliable over time, but that doesn't necessarily mean everyone can still use it reliably. Lots of people, especially outside of urban areas, have internet access that isn't close to what's necessary for using cloud gaming.

@@kawkasaurous Its too expensive. It can be improved, but never to local hardware gaming levels. Theres a reason stock exchanges use rolls of fibre to create literal hardware latency. Youd need servers in every neighbourhood at least, not even just every city. Maybe in 50-100 years. Decades at least. MS doesnt even like the cost of windows update servers so makes them p2p based as standard , unless you disable it.

Yes, networks not yet ready. Bet Asmon uses mostly high speed LAN patch cables for his private gaming server. Lets meet again after 80% fibre to the home coverage.

Some people have no sense of price scale. I own a Xaomei Redmi Note 10 Pro. It cost me a month worth of my salary, back when I bought it. Some guy who reviewed it here on YT, called it a budget phone and was surprised it came with it's own charger and a silicone phone case, in the box.

@@chadmagnus5850 That's a budget phone in any 1st world country for sure. That's nothing on most people salaries in Europe, the USA, Canada, Japan or Australia

That's 4 months of Game Pass.

Its asmongold, what do you expect

@@drazgul1 I am Hungarian, and this shows the difference in economies.

Much of the expectation comes from the law. Companies have a legally binding fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to make a profit.

The population has been on an exponential growth curve for 1000 years. These new people buy and sell products. This increase in people increase profits for companies. It's pretty simple

@@Frank_Einstein. Blackrock gotta be stop

@@droyal18able not exponential for sure, and mostly in developing countries. Who are NOT buying your new star wars game for 140 bucks...

@@AyoKeito globally population growth is exponential. Believe it or not companies sell in different countries also.

They already indicated they are putting it on gamepass. Lots of folks will still buy it including all folks playing it on PlayStation. They will also get a larger audience for cod which will increase revenue of micro transactions which already makes more then game sales.

Someone should look at apex revenue vs new content development. You might be onto something with that micro transactions out pacing initial investment purchase costs. I know it’s absolutely the case with destiny 2.

​@@FidilisfoolDoesn't mean it will be a permanent increase though, most people hate the microtransactions. And the people who buy them are either: have enough money to buy stuff regularly or maybe one or two things. If you have people using gamepass to play an expensive game, that should tell you that they are concerned with saving money where they can.

why everybody forget microtransactions anbd dlc ? with call of duty in the gamepass you make people stay on the gamepass with the multiplayer, then you make spend money with microtransactionsand dlc...boom you have a little less money but peacocks finally stay on the game pass.......they see offers on other games, they enjoy other games and oh..ther are dlc too?meh i didn't pay fot the game...meh i can pay for a dlc (hellooo power wash simulator :p)

I think more people will stay for the older call of duty titles if they do happen to be on gamepass. With the newer call of duty, people may not stick with it and just decide its not worth it and just buy it outright. But the older call of duty's, people have been clamouring for ways to play old cod titles for years on modern hardware amd won't be stuck to the ps3/ps4 era. I see users sticking to gamepass permanently.

Ghost of a Tale, an indie game that looked like a AAA game when it came out, was made by seven people, *if* I remember correctly.

And you have AAA games taking just as long with hundreds of people working on it

Also games being 60 dollars and 70 dollars for triple aaa is cheal but other than that it's only quilty yet we got terrible indie level aaa games well indie games are aaa level and stat the same price

So your saying it's a great deal for the customer.

@@droyal18able That isn't really the topic, but I wouldn't know personally. From everything I've heard, yes. Good for the customer, but a burden on XBox.

@GBKakuzu Xbox gaming revenues increased by 16.5% in 2023, compared to $15.563 billion in 2022. Just look it up man. They are doing fine. All these people complaing don't know crap about business or investing.

@@droyal18able Got it. They're closing studios for fun and the line on the graph during the Sarah Banks interview was going down because everything is great. 👍

80% of the total xbox players (120 million total players) are not subscribed to game pass at all which means they all have silver xbox live status because there is no point having xbox live anymore. There just isn't any good new games because they're full of microtransactions and subscriptions and players are sick of subscriptions on everything.

@@RBFR01 where do you get your numbers?

Microsoft is a 3 trillion dollar company. Gamepass is like 1% of their profit big guy.

Gamepass trained their users not to buy games but to wait

@@KnightSoulsG you get early access and a discount on new games. You don't have to wait for anything.

For sure. Sometimes when I get home from work I'll play Madden for about 45 min, then I'll play vampire survivors for about 45 minutes, then finish off the night with either fable or diablo 4. As someone who can get bored of a game for a few weeks, it's nice to have options to choose from to find my next game to play.

@@stephsman51 same here.

It's a crazy good deal yeah.

"play" = download for 5 mins, try it for 20 mins, realize it sucks, uninstall and repeat

@@blaken3824 seems like a you problem.

People have already voted with their wallet. Steam, a digital only platform, is more popular than ever and the last time Valve made a physical PC disc was in 2011 with release of Portal 2. Digital already won.

lol. Vote with your wallet. Digital, live service and microtransactions won. They decimated physical. it wasn't even close.

@@duerf5826 Digital was great until it was revealed we can lose access to titles. But overall I still like digital

Finally someone who understands that buying digital games and subscription are the same in the concept that you own nothing

I would never pay for a digital game. It is the main reason I don't want a PC. I wouldn't even play on PC if I got a fancy one for free. I see no appeal in not owning things.

Everyone is different. But for me that's 100% true. In late December. I got 3 month Xbox pc pass as gift. In less than a week I download many game and hardly play any. I end up playing games I already own on my PC and switch. When I buy game. The there are little more thought put in that decision compare to subscription downloads. So that also factors in longevity of play time.

Yeah can we just all line up and push the entire fucking thing over? I'm done with triple AAA gaming. Trash all the big companies that used to be good back in the day because all the stuff indie devs are popping out is MORE than adequate to redefine quality for the gaming industry. They actually have standards because they're made by gamers, for gamers.

​@@davidmoak1219 We can, it's called stop buying games for a few years. No old games, no new games, revenue needs to stop entirely. Of course it has to be most people doing that. The reason this crash is so slow (it started somewhere between 2008 to 2012) is that, despite all the shit, people are still buying. Things will only get stupider while people keep supporting it. Something like Ubisoft selling Star Wars Outlaws for 120$ with basically nothing to warrant the upcharge, it will become standard practice, and eventually the default version of games. We never criticized horse armor hard enough.

We need the gaming crash of 1983 again, to rid us of this dreck (like E.T. the game).

Crashing this market, with NO survivors.

I guess i fit that cause i only buy retro games now from used markets. I completly lost hope for modern games and tired of not getting physical media thats complete.

That's not how Netflix started tho. Netflix was the equivelent to BlockBuster. Not GoG or whatever else.

Netflix was ONLY successful during the period which they had most media in it, and Xbox just spent a decade buying up almost every studio and IP.

I wouldn't use a PC even if I was given one for free. I'd just sell it to someone else. They'd need to put disc drives back into PCs for me to even consider it. I have zero interest in digital games, I don't want rentals.

If buying isnt owning then piracy isnt theft.

Most AAA games are just not worth owning, literally play through once and forget forever. Also even without subscriptions, digital owning is a scam that will hit us in the future when companies either go bankrupt or recall licenses, or cut out multiplayer.

You just cant see the real world, just like the guy in the video saying about the country. A lot of people needs cloud gaming, there are very few people that have money to spend on a console or a gaming pc, in Brazil for exemple a PS/XBOX costs around 1000 usd, what means you need 4 months of a minimum wage to buy it, but everybody has a smartphone, imagine how many people would play a gta 6 if it is avaible on their cellphones through cloud gaming? COD Mobile is huge, and they make a lot of money out of it with skins and things like that, and a lot of people dont care about not owning something, myself for exemple, I paid $70 for Hogwarts legacy and I will never play it again unless there's a DLC, I would much rather pay $10 and not owning than pay 70$ just to be able to download again in the future

the folks tryna eliminate piracy "needs" cloud gaming

Especially considering that modern phones are more powerful than Switch which can handle any kind of gameplay.

You guys love rumors

Xbox is dead since the 2010s. Must be the most resiliant zombie ever.

@@DirkSchlemmer-tw8kp since the Phil Spencer takeover and the Xbox one media machine in 2013? I can definitely agree with that.

Unless you are from a rich first world country were games are 60 bucks instead of almost half the min wage Xbox gamepass is like the best thing that happened to games since steam.

@@GatMan808 you know that was sarcastic.

@@GS_CCC It's a good deal until it isn't. Just like the OP mentioned, Game Pass is just a rehash of what the streaming services have been going through recently. They found out that the price to keep content on the service outweighed subscriptions so they had to do things like raise prices (Netflix costs almost 3 times as much as it did 10 years ago to get essentially the same level of service) or add ads to subsidize those costs. Expect Microsoft to continue to boost the cost of Game Pass over time until it becomes untenable as a monthly service. I have a feeling the breaking point will be $25 USD/month.

What's your point? Do you remember Series X|S in 2020? Who cares about Gen 8, you still playing WiiU?

I am. I'm playing Wii U. Bought it last year, actually xD

@@ilvanezzo I think you misconstrued what I meant, lol. Yes people are still playing Gen 8 consoles but the online network was shutdown in 2019 and the market is not dependent on money from second hand console sales.

@@MF-Shogun-Mouro My point is 2013 is when it went all downhill for Xbox. They've had 11 years to turn it around and still can't.

@@meteor22 Not true, Xbox a subsidiary of Microsoft profits grew by 50% year over year just in 2020-2021. Xbox profits are dependent on software sales, not console sales.

please drink verification can

Never!

Arrrr, it's the pirates' life for me!

@@TLKdavid You can still be an ass pirate and buy game pass.

Theres a typo at the end, it is "But life uh... finds a way"

- Lil Pump

He just doesn't want to be wrong, I made a comment about him being way off about gamepass when he said it was like 5x bigger about a week ago. It's really lame, I think he just feigned ignorance to save face even though it's easy as fuck to figure out

@@user-ss4vc6jd8t He's just a guy who plays vidya, not an authority on the subject lol. You are too invested in another man

Or buying DLC for a game that would disappear from your collection because Game pass games don't come with DLC.

Well, you're expected to buy the game you liked playing, same goes for dlc, you wouldn't buy dlc for a game you don't like and don't own.

@@thesun9210 If i was going to buy a game it should as hell wouldn't be on the xbox store, it would be on steam.

Not sure of what games you have played where they had left game pass. I noticed it is games that had fallen off. For the most part if I liked them, I bought them. There is a slight discount. I mostly use it for first party games or games. Most third party games leave if they flop. I think game pass is a deal since games are so damn expensive and for the price of just under three games a year for the game library and a gold subscription isn’t that bad of a deal.

@@Globodyne DLC for games is the main issue game pass is bad. They need to add in another tier or do something so you get all DLC with the game, I'm not ever going to buy DLC for a game I'm renting.

in optimization theory they teach steepest descend method first and the guys with degrees in economics and management, future suits basically, are too dumb to understand it's often suboptimal and gives bad results long term and to remember more complex and applicable methods later in their life working in corpo. so at the end of the day they always overvalue ultra short term profits (or cutting losses by killing good studios) against long term sustainability and cumulative profits.

We need another gaming crash like what happened in the 80s where nintendo single handedly propped up the entire industry because they were the least shitty and most consumer friendly of the bunch. I'd rather it be valve while gabben still draws breathe, imagine the biggest player in the pc games market gets law makers to stop the rug pull and cash grabbing shate. I can dream

You're crazy if you think it's just tech and game companies, every company thinks they can just go up forever. That's the foundation of the stock market.

Companies have a legally binding fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to try to make a profit. "Line go up" is a function of fiscal law, not just unfettered capitalism.

All lines can keep going up as long as the global population keeps going up. That's how the economy works.

The stock holders control the companies decisions.

Bro there is god of war last of us control

Enjoy that input and connection delay.

@@RBFR01 ive been using it for a year without issue?

Your coping for no reason. Are you 16? Let the man enjoy his streaming service. ​@@RBFR01

@@Itzaraya1 That's because you have nothing to compare it to. I'm sure if you bought the actual console you would see a much clearer picture and less input lag.

@@doctorsilva1345 i didn't day I don't own a console. I don't own an Xbox or pc but I have a PS5. The lengths people go to just to say they have bad internet is wild.

Because they have the best one and the highest subscriber base. But when they want the whole business to be based off of it yeah, not enough lol

or you could just wait for a sale

How? What issue did you have?

I've tried it, as an alternative to steam remote play it felt a bit fiddly to have to control my pc on my tablet.

Exactly. I've never engaged with game pass or XBox in general but from an outside perspective I totally agree with you. They are so obessed by their need to show their exclusivity that they lose sight of the picture itself or the future they could achieve.

Though the major 3rd party titles if they end up on GamePass after a year or so, the same game likely ends up on PS Plus around the same time. Microsoft can market them, but likely PlayStation will counter the same.

Marketing isn’t the issue. The problem with GP is that the majority of people who play games only have time for 3-5 a year. People are also tired of subscriptions and don’t want to add another one to their wallet where they’ll maybe play a handful of games. Video games are not as easily consumed as movies or shows; it’s not a viable option at all.

@@sjneowI mean they do - just not on XCloud.

@@sjneow They have a lot more games day one than PS+ and cover a wider variety of genres. Some examples I can think of off the top of my head are remnant 2, lies of p, plague tale, that new star wars game, signalis, sea of stars, the entire Yakuza/like a dragon catalogue and the persona remasters. Plus a bunch of sim/strat nerdy dad games.

*paid

so essentially just a subscription-based version of Xbox Live Arcade from the 360 days. I could get behind that

Nevermind the next cod already floped be being announced

And Halo ES and Fallout

Save console? Xbox consoles sales never sold well, it never was a priority. They always aimed to go full digital with game pass in many platforms as possible and now they are doing that. The game pass is their holy grail, their main focus, consoles sales are secondary because, well, Microsoft as a trillion dollar company can afford to do that. It always have been like that in the last years, they were preparing for going full digital and multiplatform and they are finally doing it. Sony is also following the same path with their exclusives releasing on PC digitally.

Starfield made me cancel GamePass...I would have gone out and bought a copy even with gamepass to support something good...I've bought like 10 copies of TW3 and maybe 5 or 6 copies of Elden Ring for friends, family and employees who I thought would appreciate them, bc I want to get more of the same in the future. I think CDPR is gonna really let me down with their 'modern audience' forecast for the future games, but I have lots of confidence in FromSoftware...

Going all in on big studios is not as smart as you think it is, big studio does not equal good game. Just look at Diablo 4, Overwatch 2, Starfield, Fallout 76, CoD MW2 or halo infinite. All made by big studios, and all failed compared to previous titles.

​@@TheSwedishTomato Yup. Big studio = more suits sucking money dry = less money for actual development and pay raises for developers. I could understand if big studio meant ratio of around 95% developers (programmers, artists, writers, composers etc) and 5% suits, which might be actually possible with microsofts oversight, but will they execute it like that? I have my doubts..

but what would that archieve? They're already have the money of wow subscribers. Including the wow sub into game pass would requiere to either giving up on the money that wow already brings or the money that they get from wow players that also have game pass. Doesnt matter if they have more game pass subcriptions by including wow if that doesnt translate to an increase on profit.

I'd say the opposite just because those huge games are usually devolved by big companies with plenty of money while the indie developers seem to get screwed especially with how short a lot of indie developer games are. Honestly probably hurts both of them if the game flops but at least a company like Square Enix can bounce back

That would be interesting

Same, even if lets say microsofts cut was 2bucks, rest goes split between developers of games played by the user based on playtime, for ease lets count sub cost at 20usd, -2bucks for microsoft, so 18usd left for devs. Lets say You release a big title, 70usd on steam. User would have to exclusively play one game for over 3months to come near the store-cost, and its also split into 3 separate monthly payments with no interest. And a quarter of a year is hella long time, even for casual gamers who play like 5hours per week. And if the game is actually great, and that same casual gamer stretches his weekly play time to 10hours, its only worse for you, because you potentially loose that 3rd payment. Only way for them to make any profit is gamepass-subsidized studios in-house focusing on games just for that, since their costs are calculated into overall revenue. Only viable thing I'd see would be adding it to gamepass after at least 6months of the game being out to supplement revenue while working on expansion/dlc or a new game..

They don't. Exactly why HiFi Rush didn't sell enough and the studio was shut down. Even if it was good.

No one can

How is paying the price of 2 AAA games a year for over 100 games bad for the customer?

You can play all the new ea games. Madden, fifa, NBA 2k, ncaa football, forza, all Bethesda games all for 120 a year and access to thousands of other titles. Some come and go but they let you know way ahead of time so just play it before it's replaced.

@@juanrolandodelarosa1550 because it's an economically unsustainable business model by a wealthy company designed to kill competition. It's like selling a loaf of bread for $1 in order to destroy all bakeries in the area.

@@juanrolandodelarosa1550 wealthy company destroys competition by subsidizing an unsustainable business model.

@@juanrolandodelarosa1550 Stagnation, that's why.

I'd rather have the physical copies of the entire catalogue...

*modern CONSOLE gaming, I should clarify.

I'd say ps4 was just as bad Skipped everything past 360/ps3 gen and missed barely anything

Bingo 👍

Same here bro

Not me. I love it. But I think they could add some more quality games.

@@mattias990you got use to welfare lil bro, not good

​@@mattias990 you will own nothing and you will be happy

Streaming services Cloud apps Game subs Phone subs Too many subs. Time to ditch the excess!

It’s cheaper to rent

It's great if you're into single playthroughs. Why own a $60 game if I'll be done with it forever in 15 hours?

​@@RockyRZ depends how long ur renting... I find it much cheaper to just wait for things to go on sale on Steam

Renting was never cheaper then owning long term.🙄 If it would be cheaper, they wouldnt push it. It wouldn't make any economic sense. Their is just a hidden cost. You pay for it later/ in another way or it has other benefits for the compony. E.g. they want to secure a bigger share of the market or hook you to their Eco-system and over time the Games you get in the pass are filled with more and more with micro transactions. Its the same with free to Play Games, we all are know, they are only free up to a point where you are hooked and then you need to spend money to really progress further.