Puppets & Cats, Elements Revealed in the Deltarune Sweepstakes 

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Ok what do u think Hyperlink Blocked is?

Out of curiosity, how does each character act according to you if they were to drop into a dark world? Do you think Chara would be dark/star based?

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@Spamton G Spamton™ gimme

big brain time

How do smart people like you think of this stuff.

@@kkotheracountnstuff8209 At first I noticed that the word Chaos was used twice, and so I started wondering if there was a connection I could make between them. Nothing came to me for Death, but when I thought of Scythe, I thought of cutting, and that made me notice that "half bread" could refer to bread that had been cut. Only as I was already typing it out did I remember that scythes were useful not only for cutting bread, but for harvesting crops such as wheat (a much more logical purpose), and so I tweaked the joke to add in my accidental discovery that made it like twice as clever :D Basically, I love playing around with words in silly ways, and so my mind is always looking for these sorts of connections in the background. Then once I find one, I can put my full attention on it. It's really fun to do :D

@@riluna3695 wow that is preety interesting

I’ve never heard of half of bread being chaotic. Where does that come from? It sounds really interesting!

good catch man

also Dark Candy, which is star-shaped. neat detail i think

Oh yeah, I didn't even think about Dark Candy. And the darkners in your inventory or on your head turn into little stars when arriving from the light world.

So like [Light/Thunder] would be [Heaven] or something, then [Hopes/Dreams] would be [Determination]

Determination in general seems to be represented with Star imagery.

what if Gaster is Seam, who has been kindly keeping those shadow crystals for us

Gaster being a cat would be brilliant.

​@@Bongetta But then he couldn't be "skeleton Tumblr sexyman daddy"

​@@SeanTxty nah, he wouldn't hide in plain sight. I sooner buy that "Gaster" shattered long ago and that the evil he turned into is many pieces all over, as everyone

@@Ambipie shattered? shattered and farttered?

Ooh good point. "Reaper" bird. Like the Grim Reaper who wields a Scythe. I could see it.

He's also literally EVERYWHERE FOR NO REASON! There must be some reason other than reference.

Aren't the butterflies in the Reaper Bird's Everyman attack symbolism for death too?

I have a crazy theory with everyman and gaster

@@doom64hunter YES! THATS WHAT I FORGOT!

lol

i like to think that undertale gaster is weird and mysterious, and deltarune gaster is just some guy

Honestly the connection being just some anime seems like something Toby would do

Mew Mew's super power is literally mind control, so that's how you know Toby plans every little detail.

Imagine if Gaster ends up just being Mew Mew

I would but they're currently climbing on my keyboard trying to steal my food.

@@HalfBreadChaos so Normal cats

@@dravendarkplays9607 Yep! Haha.

@@dravendarkplays9607 as a cat owner I can say no cat is normal

@@HalfBreadChaos PET THEM PET THEM PET THEM PET THEM PET THEM PET THEM PET THEM

XD Oops! One of those bugs finally snuck past me. That's right. I was Zenyatta all along.

I see

i noticed that too, however im month late

@Spamton G Spamton™ * Do _you_ want to try your own [[specil]]?

Don’t mind me, just adding this to my HBC lore that they can grow an extra pair of arms when they want.

Death/Star. Did you really just accidentally make a Star Wars reference in your comment discussing the nature of elemental pairs?

So a bit like the "stars" in the underground, that try to act like stars but very much arnt, instead being a reminder that they're stuck in the underground forever. Kinda like a tomb... which also kinda makes the underground represent death if you look at it from that angle. A giant tomb, a safe haven turned into a mausoleum. The entirety of a species trapped in one place, doomed to slowly fade away like a candle slowly burning all the air inside a sealed box. Only kept lit up by fake stars and fading hope.

@@numbertumbers529 lol I didn’t even think of it that way

Kris is also called Lightbringer

@@angelnati8297 adding onto that, Satan is known as Lightbringer. What is Gaster's number? 666.

Also, Kris can, therefore, summon both "dark" - through the form of dark fountains, and "star" - the way you mention it

My first thought was so obvious that nobody else has considered it seriously. I'm of course referring to The Original Starwalker.

Dark Star is for Fawful

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This comment is incredible

Wow, great comment! I've also been trying to piece together stuff concerning those quotes... together with their use in Undertale, as well. While hoping & dreaming may seem synonymous in general, "Hope" tends to be more grounded in reality; what you hope will happen, meaning it has to at least be possible IRL. Meanwhile, "dreaming" of something (in the conscious sense) can indeed be something you hope will happen, but tends to be a lot less likely, or even a fantasy. You "hope" you can run a company one day, or at least make decent income. You "dream" of getting a job you absolutely love that never feels like working, or becoming a ruler of your country. And then of course, there's the consciousness factor; you don't tend to actively hope in your sleep, but you certainly may dream. "Hopes & Dreams" are associated a lot with Asriel. But separate the terms, & Chara (the first fallen human) was quite often talked about with "hope"! "The King and Queen treated the human child as their own./The underground was full of hope." "You have the same feeling of hope in your eyes (as Chara did)" And as we've seen from both Undertale in-game canon, & the supplemental material (including the discontinued Undertale Alarm Clock: Winter Season text), Chara seemed more pragmatic & technically precise, while Asriel was more emotional. Chara was grounded in reality, learning from things that happened to/around them, & being driven by those facts. Asriel, like so many other monsters, dreamed of reaching the Surface (at the time, something seen as potentially impossible). Chara brought hope, because they showed that union between the two "worlds" could be possible. Turned the dreams into possibility, hence now hopes. And well, Asriel "Dreemur (Dreamer)." ;3 And it's interesting to consider the actions you can do in the final battle against Asriel: Hope: Heals 1 HP, and reduces damage taken by 1 for the next turn. Dream: Heals 4 HP, and fills the inventory with Last Dreams, which heals 17 HP when consumed. So, Hoping softens the blows you may receive, while still pragmatically expecting to suffer them. Meanwhile, Dreaming fills your emptiness & heals you, like a soothing escape. (Also, one more interesting thing: The other character who prominently mentions both "Hopes & Dreams" a great many times (so much that Toby made sure she mentions them at least once in every gameplay variation, if I remember right) is Undyne, who in her Undying form, ends up fighting for the fate of "Monsters, Humans, Everyone", & bridges the gap between the Surface & Underground beings (Light & Dark?) with her abnormally high amount of Determination. And it's interesting that, in Deltarune, Kris is capable of trying to tell (that version of) her about the Dark World in both chapters, then slashes the van's tires & leaves the door open at the end of Chapter 2, perhaps in hopes that she might end up there too!)

Reminds me of that cryptic tweet Toby posted long ago: "The edge of the shadow, where reality and dream meet." Also, something about a song called Penumbra Phantasm?

@@Patrick11nf Maaaan, Light World and Dark Worlds together really sound like it'd simply be Undertale... Tobyy is it Undertale?????

Also night falls ~ evening star standing in parallels with darkness falls (not that it has parallels in a musical sense), one of yukari's themes from the fighting games (also the full version of the theme is on the cd you were talking about)...I always jokingly say that yukari will be a boss in deltarune or gets referenced one way or another besides thunderplane's hat

​@@davity9000 Fighting Yukari or someone equal to Yukari sounds impossible to win

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CLOVER IS A CAT?

SPAMTON IS A CAT?

​@@gamingcookierealyeah they're a cat.

​@@psyclessno. That was a mistake on the commenter's part.

​@@psycless he's not a cat, but since elements are paired his puppet element is still paired with cat

red is never stated to bw determination fyi

"gateway for fanfic"

@@ashyunderscore yea all souls have determination thats how the amalgamates were made

@@ashyunderscore Red is Frisk/Chara's soul color, and chara is associated with determination when frisk dies, and in the "Ball" game, Determination is said in red. Also, If yellow is justice, green is kindness, blue is integrity, cyan is patience, etc.. then that leaves determination for red.

@@monkaroowo •Chara's only attachment to "Determination", is an ASGORE line telling them to stay determined, which is just a way of telling them to keep their will to live. •The ball game does not say that, it says something among the lines of "You continue to be yourself". •EXTRA: Determination is said to be inherent to ALL human souls by Alphys, which is why how she got determination for the amalgamates in the first place. •EXTRA 2: Determination is mentioned in the True Lab, in yellow.

When Kris uses Courage, Toby even remembered to have everyone flash the same color as Bravery. Huh, orange was the only missing soul mode in Undertale, wasn't it? Since the Mew Mew fight added light alongside the normal red, right? Then again, there were always blue and orange attacks, even if the blue never matched with the soul. Well, neither does Mew Mew's soul mode either, apparently. Oh well. Huh, if we go through all the vanilla UT soul modes with the secret bosses, plus Courage, is the light blue soul just gonna go unrepresented altogether? Since it doesn't look like we'll have blue attacks.

@@petruciosxd1374 It was actually both light blue and orange that were missing in UT, which since there's 7 chapters, 7 secret bosses, 7 soul modes

@@therealchaosguy Well again, the thing is... There's a couple complications, and it all makes me wonder _when_ exactly these modes could show up, too. There's red as default, blue for the skeletons, green for Undyne, purple for Muffet, and yellow for Mettaton and Alphys, that's uh, normal, and they all the modes are connected to and referenced by the dead humans. But then, there's light blue _attacks_, which line up with the light blue soul, and orange attacks, which fit with the orange soul. Their gimmicks are so accurate to patience and bravery that it surely isn't a coincidence, even if the colors don't actually match (even before the colorblind patch), guess since they're not actual soul modes. A little weird for there to be outliars like that, but at the same time, sure, I do think it checks out... Until the Switch version mucked things up, ever so slightly as it may be. Now, obviously your soul turns red and blue because it's on the Switch, that's the gimmick, but... it _is_ still light blue. Again, not the actual, indentical color, which ain't unlikely to matter, might be the smoking gun, but even so, that mode still revolves around timing, for precielsy when to move the soul parts. That sai however, it obviously isn't nearly as clear cut as "don't move at all and let the attack go through you." Other than that, it depends on how much the order of the secret bosses might matter... People speculate whether Jevil is supposed to be analogous to Sans in the grand scheme of things, and like Spamton, we'll get modes in the reverse order of Undertale bosses, specifically in the genocide route (in terms of inspiration for the characters I mean, since naturally Mettaton NEO never _actually_ fights, but we know Mettaton introdcues yellow), like how King and Queen share some similarities to Asgore and Mettaton (weell alright it is largely her theme being a reference to "Attack of the Killer Robot" but uh there is some stuff) which _would_ be the reverse order from Undertale. Whatever the order of modes may be, if it's based off of Undertale, we have the default for Toriel, blue for Papyrus, green for Undyne, purple for Muffet, yellow for Mettaton and then Asgore uses both blue and orange attacks while Sans uses both blue things like Papyrus but neither of them introduce those to the game. Therefore, if it is based on that order, where would blue and orange fit in? Would it be like, at the very end? 'Cause the only way to fit light blue into the order itself is to either reference Mad Mew Mew (which is uh, after Mettaton EX, although Mad Dummy is before Undyne) or give the boss potentially analogous to Papyrus two different modes. Naturally there could just be no order being referenced like that, we might see dark blue next for all we know, but that's kinda it, we _don't_ know. I wonder if we'll get the Pure Crystal with 6 Shadow Crystals? I guess if they lead to a big boss, like friggin' Gaster or some other similarly crazy character(s), there'd be a hell of an opportunity to have a Toriel stand-in who just uses the normal red, but then boom, last one has two new ones. 🥴 Quite mean, it would be. Still on the pipe dream of possibly ever fighting Gaster specifically, another idea is he could just be the single enemy in the entire game to bring back blue and orange attacks, especially if the fight took place in the Light World (if Egg Man is Gaster in some capacity, he does just sorta, show up there, and it'd be a funny UT reference). That manages to be even _more_ of a pipe dream though. Wait actually, this isn't very related, but was it Alphys or Gaster who made the blue and orange lasers? Or someone else entirely? Hmm, I'm gonna guess Alphys. We know she's made a _bunch_ of inventions, so. One of the Gaster followers even says she works faster.

Don't know if that is an absolute, pretty sure scythes have been linked to death for a WHILE

@@beywheelzhater8930​But aren’t they tools for gardening?

@@ThefifthBishopofGord well death also uses it for gardening They just use it to gard a specific kind of flower

@@victoroliveira3577 what a beautiful comparison

@@ThefifthBishopofGord the grim reaper uses a scythe

That's not even getting into Kissy Cutie Mew Mew, with her mind control powers.

Good thinking

Also the etymology of Rude is "rudus" in Old French meaning "broken stone" and "rudis" in Latin meaning "unwrought" or "unfinished."... kind of ominous if Darkners turn into stone during the Roaring

i think that would make a lot of sense, since susie seems to have a lot in common with jevil that would imply rude and chaos being elemental pairs. devilsknife (presumably a chaos weapon) reduces rude buster’s tp, and susie even quotes jevil while equipping it.

I'm still partial to death/scythe=fight/blade as it connects far more easily. While the elements' partner may seem to be arbitrary , the words Spamton uses in place of the actual element names seem to be near synonyms. I cannot fathom Toby not considering us connecting scythe to the element it is literally a kind of, and while death may not be the first thing I think of when I hear fight there is certainly a direct correlation a la holy=light. I don't want to diminish the connections between rude and chaos, however I also feel we mustn't miss aknowledging it's connections to another element: mouse. From Susie getting caught in mousetraps to the way Noelle reacts to both of them, Deltarune appears to be deliberately connecting the two thematically. If I had to make a theory I'd propose the rude/mouse pair, with rude and chaos being synonyms. Although, since the elements are still extremely vague at the moment, the only thing I can say with confidence is that I cannot be too confident about anything.

Actually thinking about it the mantle might actually be the other way around. Starting as the Sky Mantle that protects against Elec and Holy(or light) before changing into the shadow mantle by combining with the shadow crystals(or the Pure Crystals) which makes it resist the [Dark/Star] element which could be hopes and dreams implying that it would protect against everything... or it potentially could become a "pure" mantle that does a similar thing.

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A TV Star, specifically... 😰

That actually makes sense a lot. Chaos can cause death Scythes are like blades The hearts are SOULS and have different colors Monsters turn to dust because you fight them And hopes and dreams because of the final theme

It's a shot in the dark without more info, but if I had to make a guess about the Weather Duo, I'd put my money on Holy/Puzzle. Holy is Sky (skymantle, berdly's tornados, etc). And as for puzzle well... "The Weather Always Sticks Together."

BRUUHH SHOW STAR LIKE METTATON BROOO BRAAAAHHH i'm ok

i'm surprised they didn't mention that Dark Star is for Fawful

Gaster Blasters do kinda look like cat's skulls🤔

ToRiEl DrEeMuRr iS T.D So GaStEr Is A DrEeMuRr

what if W.D. stands for Waluigi D***

Huh? Why are you interpreting W.D. as standing for something else when we already know that it stands for wingdings?

@@drdca8263 pretty sure that we don't actually have that confirmed, even if it seems obvious

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Cat/Toy. A mouse on a string. Puppets all the way down.

I also think those birds that look like the original Starwalker are either two separate darkeners with wings being an element we haven’t seen yet and the body being another star element darkeners or being one darkener that had two main body parts that move independently and probably separate consciousnesses as they moved independently after separated. I think those birds are the only other possible Star element darkener I can think of.

The dark part works well also because he has something special going on with his form. Like ik he's a joke character but like he doesn't turn to stone in Ch2. Ralsei could be explained with "he was made by the strong dark fountain and the manual states that the dark fountains give the darkeners their body, so Ralsei's body should be stronger" but like Starwalker is from the School Fountain and we already know School Darkeners should turn to stone so? His darkness of a body has something special going on.

beach what? the video has been up for only like a minute

@@quentin_9608 I feel like my fans know I hit refresh constantly when a video goes live, worrying about the reaction. Is it weird that I appreciate the lies they tell to try to soothe that part of my mind?

@@quentin_9608 *child*

@@kodahyphenlee Be nice to each other. Don't make me get the broom.

@@HalfBreadChaos I mean I think people know it's going to be a great video anyways.

Reaper... Reaper Bird

@@michaelsbasement or maybe every man, hid it be creepy to just have that butterfly attacks back reaper bird uses but as a boss

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i think that's from the 6th anniversary stream when he was talking about pirouette

Thank you! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rksOYId-cNA.html2h53m15s The actual quote is: "The pirouette move follows a specific order. If you count the turns you can get good effects. It only appears random. All chaos is ordered." Looking at the actual quote, my paraphrasing is pretty bad, so I'm glad you were able to source it. I don't know if it actually implies an order/chaos connection, but if it doesn't then it probably helps explain the game's "chaos" element philosophically.

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nice pfp

Ahah thanks I drew it myself ^^'