Pushing a 2023 Super Duty to the Limit with a Carli Dominator System 

Yeah @cjc you guys should do a video doing woops and jumps from inside the cab!

This truck will run circles around a stock Raptor! We had a blast driving it in Baja running along side linked and bed caged Raptors.

It won’t in a real desert race. Like a Baja 1000. Apples and oranges tho. Solid axle are better for heavy crawling and towing. IFS is better in the desert.

@@CodeMoab It will absolutely do better if you've ever been in a stock Raptor in the dirt. There's just not enough shock control to do stuff like this in a stock Raptor without the truck feeling totally out of control. Some upgrades change that, but stock to this truck, the Raptor would fall short. We say that having done lots of side by side trips in Baja, including part of this video.

Main thing is the weight of the diesel up front. I could maybe see the gas version hanging with a raptor but front end weight hurts pretty bad when doing raptor stuff. I done a gas conversion on my old truck out of necessity when my diesel blew and though I lost some pulling power it helped off road capability tremendously.

@@CJCOffRoadstock maybe, but put a little money into any ifs 1500 truck and it’ll destroy this truck. Still impressive what such a heavy truck can do though

We've done that with lots of other videos! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PwrD2F1J240.html

Axle definitely shifts to the drivers side at full extension

Which is normal. A track bar pivots around the frame mounting point, so the axle moves to the driver's side at full droop and passenger at full compression. This is true on any Ram, Ford, or other solid axle vehicle with a track bar and totally normal.

Nope! That's normal behavior for a solid axle truck with a track bar that has over 10" of travel. The axle pivots around the frame side joint, which causes the axle to shift as the suspension cycles. Any solid axle radius/control arm truck with a track bar will do it!

I was wondering the same thing. How does the front drive shaft cope with the lateral shift?

@@TeamStruggleBunny It's designed to do so. Again, totally normal and how a solid axle with a track bar functions and cycles!

The Backcountry is a 2” diameter shock, made for basic to light off road and daily driving. This system uses a massive 3” diameter King shock, and is designed for all out off road smashing. We have a great video comparing all the ins and outs of the different systems: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Hip28kg3Bd0.htmlsi=oMkZFPBHAE4w8-lD

Nothing off the shelf! Depends on how deep the pockets are. For jumping it’s better to swap to a 4 link rear.

The Dominator system uses a static valved shock, so it doesn't respond actively to terrain like the E-Venture. Outside of this using a 3" diameter vs the 2.5" used in the E-Venture, static vs dynamic valving is the other big difference between the shock packages. The goal of this system is to be as off road capable as possible. If you aren't pushing your truck like what's shown in the video, then the E-Venture will be a better fit.

@@CJCOffRoad Thanks for the reply! Appreciate this info!

It all depends on how you feel about trimming. 40s can be used, but do require heavy trimming front and rear on the truck.

Just fill up the long travel airbags and go. That’s the whole point of that product!

@@CJCOffRoad good point.

I got my ram dominator system from them and have towed heavy with my megacab. With the bags, it’s awesome.

Very tough to film that since it's so tucked up under the bed!

It's actually the body moving! The bumper is mounted to the frame, but the body and bed are mounted to the frame with polymer body mounts, so you see them deflect under hard off road usage in slow motion. Totally normal though.

Reach out to Desolate Motorsports. They'll have what you need and are the leaders of the TTB Ford suspension world!

Grab the Tremor and it will have a limited slip front axle. Probably your most cost effective method, although it's not selectable.

You can buy the limited slip that comes in the tremor from Ford performance parts. It’s even decently priced.

I'm waiting for selectable locker as well. Limited slip isn't worth the trouble.

At this time this system and all other 4.5/5.5 systems are diesel only that said, Carli offers all their level systems in gas versions.

@@CJCOffRoadin previous videos about 3” suspension systems, you have mentioned adding 300lbs like a winch bumper and using diesel systems on a gas truck. Can I run a this on a gas truck with a heavy bumper?

@@austinp4276 Yeah no problem! Anything that closes the weight gap will do the trick.

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Why are you even sitting in it??!!! You should be driving it remotely!!😂😂😂

That's what solid axles do! The front axle moves side to side as the suspension cycles since the track bar is pivoting off of a fixed point on the frame. It will shift to the driver's side as the suspension droops, and passenger at full compression. With 10" of travel up front it's pretty noticeable.

@@CJCOffRoad never noticed it before. Thanks for explaining

The Super Baja uses a basic BDS lift kit, so it's really more for show than go.

The Firestone bags greatly reduce suspension travel up and down, so that would be the reason. We recommend swapping to this Full Travel airbag kit: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/dodge-air-bags/products/full-travel-rear-air-bag-kit-2014-current-ram-2500

@@CJCOffRoad Hmm, they are installed with the cradles with the bags bolted to the cradle. Is that correct? or is the bag only supposed to rest in the cradle?

I wish I would have waited a few months and bought this new system instead. I bought the recommended one from the CJC site.

@@StrateOutdoors The bag, brackets and cradle all reduce upward suspension travel by several inches, even if the cradles allow for full droop travel. That was the best we could do until the Full Travel kit got released and was designed from the ground up to allow for unimpeded suspension movement.

@@CJCOffRoad I have everything installed properly now, looks and rides great as intended. Hopefully hear back from Firestone on a warranty claim for both of the old bags breaking at the female threads on the bottom tho (I think Scott? at your shop opened the case for me)

Sadly at that height there's so many drop brackets and parts that you really start to lose strength and off road capability.

I have a 6” but went with fox adjustable 👌🏻😎

It's on a set of Innov8 G700s: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/innov8-racing/products/g700-simulated-beadlock-wheel-18x9-0-8-lug

Easy $15k

It really comes down to the exact options selected. Happy to give you an out the door quote with what you'd like though!

A base model 2023 Super Duty is nowhere near 100k! They're about half that.

Technically it'd be 120k

The base model Super Duty shown definitely isn’t 100k!

Bells and whistles of everything else.

@@unknown_truckers I think I will go with the FX4 and add lockers.

​@realistic.optimist I did the same with my Ram, bought a base and upgraded everything else I care about. Saved me close to 20k because I got a worktruck over a limited. Use the extra money for making it a functional work truck.

@@unknown_truckers 👍🏻

Doesn’t the tremor have a couple electronic 4x4 extras like hill decent and something else? If so can those be unlocked with forescan or is it exclusive to the tremor?

The issue is travel. There's not enough space to fit a coil over up front without significant suspension travel reduction unless you weld on a new coil bucket, which isn't really something most people want to do on their new truck!

@CJCOffRoad you guys can always prototype a kit on my 06' f350 Amarillo chase truck. Currently on just a Carli spring and 2.0 fox.

Oh if you have an 06 we offer a coil over bypass setup! The 05-16 trucks have riveted coil buckets, so Carli offers a complete replacement fabricated bucket that bolts in to accept all the shock options you could dream of: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/carli-2005-2016-ford-suspension-systems-2

@CJCOffRoad guess you guys should sponsor an unchained system for my truck 😂, I'd use every bit of its capabilities. Whoops and g-outs aren't fun with the little 2.0s. I still have room on the truck for a big CJC decal. Would make a sick build episode for you guys too! Ashville engines sponsored engine Warren Diesel sponsored Trans Full Force Diesel sponsored Fuel system. The list goes on lol

A lot of us actually. It’s kinda easy, just don’t be poor. 🤷🏾‍♂️

To be fair, this truck is by no means destroyed. The suspension means you can do stuff like this and not damage the truck, which is exactly why there's value in doing it. If you have to drive oil field roads daily, you're preserving your truck with nice suspension rather than making yourself miserable and rattling the truck to pieces with stock suspension. To a lot of people, upgrades like this are a vital improvement to make daily usage more enjoyable.

Do you want a nice rig or not?