Pushing the Limits of Sport Aircraft - 141hp Turbocharged Montaer MC01 

So with full tanks it can carry 2 108lb people... How is that a cross country machine?

​@@seanmedcroft1210 Yeah... 😑

They should be able to.increase the weight with mosiac rules. They just introduced a new four seater in anticipation of the mosiac going into law next year

Turbo and only 440lb useful load? So it’s pretty much just a college kid plane and trainer.

so I don't get it.. what does it mean that FAA changed what it's mean for Light Sport category? ... I don't understand. ie: let's say for Van rv12 is a LS plane right ? does this new change matter ? explain thx

@phillp7777 the new rules when made law in 2024 will mean that lifhtbsport pilots will be able to fly aircraft with a max weight of 3000lbs plus. No longer limited to 120knots but can go up to 250knots. No longer limited to fixed prop but can fly constant speed prop. No longer limited to fixed gear aircraft but can fly retractable gear. No longer limited to rv12 two seats and can fly four seat aircraft like a cessna or piper archer.

​@mauriceevans6546 so im hearing night flight will need a medical. I'm not sure why a person who can get a medical would get a sport pilot over a ppl, but that's what im underetanding from the proposal.

@JoeCnNd that may change in the final rule. I have no interest in Night flight. I am more interested in 250 knots, constant speed prop, retractable gear and four seats

@@mauriceevans6546 yeah, i wrote them to make it non medical.

Build a Zenith 650 with a Honda engine and see 144 mph at 4000 feet! Plus 6, minus 3 G’s for light aerobatics

Yep, which is exactly what an O-360 lycoming puts out at max cruise setting (75% of 180hp= 135hp). The benefit of the 915/916 is holding that power above where the lycoming starts wheezing out. Basically anything above 10k feet, the Rotax makes more power.

​@@gmonnig And MoGas!

Mosaic is going to open all these planes to faster engines and much higher speeds.

People also forget it’s 135 up to 14,000 ft which makes it beat a lycoming 320 past 8,000 ft

@@markdoan1472 Not to mention it’s lighter weight.

Yes it sure can!

@@FloridaFlying Wow! Between the over all specs and the price for one brand new I would take one over a Cessna trainer ANY day of the week!

No way on retractable gear

@@masterthee amphibians aircraft already have retracts, so don't think it is out of the question.

​@masterthee FAA surprised everyone. 1. Weight to 3000lbs 2. Speed to 250 knots 3. Constant speed prop 4. Retractable gear 5. Night flying 6. Turbine and multi engine 7. Helicopters 8. Four seat aircraft

@@mauriceevans6546 So what it's mean ? Did FAA basically expand the LS category to " allow" include all yur above list of 8 things can be done like Night Flying even in present LS ac ? ex: Van's rv12 ? Why did FAA do it ? why now ? Why are pilots surprised?

@phillp7777 mosaic rules have been in the works for 10yrs. Those 8 things and some other things will become law next year and light sport will be defined by the new expansion of privileges.

Low main (if used as intended...), engine parts you can probably find easily in the US (it's a Rotax). And airframe parts... They can be easily made if needed (I don't know if montaer import them).

Yeah that was terrible.

Lightspeed mic....

@@rocketmanpm More likely the problem si down to the incorrect positioning of the mike.

Yeah I am planning on doing that for peace of mind. It is very smooth compared to continental and lycoming, but I have also been in rotax powered airplanes that are just buttery smooth.

is that big thing w all GA prop planes? .. prop being balanced or checked at least ? how often ? never heard of that rly... didn't know it could be out of balance. How does a&p balance it ? is it any like tire balance w added small wgts to certain specific spot(s) on rim ?

Yes, my understanding is that LSA is a top speed and weight limitation only

Lol! No question a nice NACA duct would be nicer looking and more effecient.

@@Bravo21 little do you know!

@@chippyjohn1 so why not enlighten is all... gzzz ..what sa

@@phillp7777 A NACA duct as he calls it is efficient in redirecting low pressure air inside the cowling or air frame. However, for an intercooler it requires high pressure air, a NACA duct would simply have the air flow over it, not into it. The intercooler would have to be much larger to accommodate the lack of flow that a NACA duct provides. Intercoolers are very restrictive in air flow so they need pressure, hence the scoop.

Yeah that scoop was definitely an afterthought, so many better ways they could've approached that in both appearance and drag reduction.

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oh yeah, it’s pretty amazing

Bristell already has 915 in their light sport aircraft

New LSA rules announcement expected by August. Increase weight Increase speed Four place aircraft Constant speed prop Possible retractable gear

@mauriceevans6546 Yes Mosaic. August? Sure. It's way behind schedule. The people who started it in FAA have left, and the new people are clueless, maybe DE&I hires. The past dead-lines have come and gone before. They BIT OFF more than they could chew, tried to have ONE umbrella for UAV's and LSA and general aviation and more all in one, They NOW are trying to untangle all of that, separate them. However a LSA airplane is and will still be a LSA. If you exceed current limits, then you will not be an LSA. LSA is still going to be LSA's. This yet undefined enhanced category above LSA (passably retract gear, controllable prop, higher weight, faster speeds) amd below Certified Standard Category planes, will likely require additional pilot requirements and medical requirements, plus other rules and Regs. It is a MESS. WHO KNOWS. We have not seen it and been promised it for a long time. I doubt we will see anything soon. It is like Positive ID of Drones with beacons over Bluetooth or Wi-Fi anyone can access. Without it you are limited to ONLY flying in a designate flying zone. That deadline is near and still no standard to comply. The GOV is full of dumb underworked over paid incompetent bureaucrats, and sadly now woke socialist neo Marxist beholding to China, who paid them off. They are too lazy and lack discipline and focus. Their brains have been rewired by TikTok short videos for dopamine rushes. I have little faith in Giv now and expect FBI will raid my home for disagreeing and criticism of Gov tyrants.

@gmcjetpilot yes! It's way overdue, I am not buying a new plane until I know what if any changes are made. It would have been so simple to just adopt the European rules for light sport or microlights. That would absolutely been a game changer. We will have to see.

@gmcjetpilot I have discovered that the private pilot glider rating( 10hrs min) is an excellent opportunity as well. No medical Flight to 18,000ft Night flight Flight out of the country( as rating is accepted in all countries) Limited to powered gliders like pipestrel sinus or alpha trainer. Learn to Fly This in 10 HOURS - Yes, really / FloridaFlying ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PFrB4x9gFrg.html

I am hoping on making a video like that soon

@@FloridaFlying great, your videos are super

Thank you very much, I appreciate that

@@FloridaFlying When ever in DeLand, if the Twin Otter is flying skydivers, I recommend heading over and taking an observer flight. I'm a skydiver but still find it a bit odd to take off with 20 people and land with only 2. It's an amazing airplane and the ride down is almost as much fun as a skydive. Ask for the STOL landing. A bit over 700 feet of runout. That after a descent approaching the neighborhood of Vne.

That’s a great idea. I used to skydive in Deland too, but I always have wanted to make a video about their planes

A single G3X with a 650 would cost pretty much the exact same amount and make the plane substantially more capable. I don't understand the dual G3X thing in single pilot airplanes

It can be used as an IFR trainer, but can’t fly actual IMC as a light sport. Once designated as a light sport, you can’t re-designate it as an experimental. Once designated, forever designated. It must be designated an experimental initially. If homebuilt, that’s easy, if manufactured and purchased, it must be designated for racing and air show use only and paperwork is more complex to be experimental. “Normal” flights are then treated as “training and proficiency flights” in the racing and air show category. IMC is theoretically doable in this configuration, but as light sports may not be certified for lightning, it may or may not be wise. Also, light sports are speed limited, experimentals are not. Talk to a Pipistrel deal for details on this.

Cooling for really hot, steamy, flying.

It would be if it wasn’t functional, but since it is, I’ll give it a pass.

is hgt rly that restrictive.. only 5' 8" is max ? nobody that short ? lol lol.. Is hgt a big deal rly in LS ac ? For Van's rv12 can u be comfortable able at 6'1" ? is that just a mfg suggestion or FAA rule sorta?

It makes it more universal, I had to drop down to light sport, hopefully temp, I could buy this, be light sport legal then when I can get a medical, it would have better performance that I would want to be able to access

Light sport rules announcement expected by August. Increase weight Increase speed Constant speed prop Four place aircraft Possible retractable gear

The number of blades on a prop has nothing to do with max speed. In a very general sense, more blades often give you better acceleration and climb performance at slower speeds along with less noise. It used to be that more blades meant you needed those because you couldn't fit a max diameter two blade prop due to ground clearance, and those props weren't very efficient and hurt performance. These days there are so many caveats to prop and blade design that the number of blades a prop has is near meaningless now that composite blades are available that offer radically different profiles than traditional metal or wood blades. Two blade props used to be the gold standard for efficiency back when all blades had the same basic design, but these days they're able to get three, four, and five blade props with better efficiency and fewer drawbacks than those two blade props. The high aspect ratio blade profiles of composite props are far more efficient but need more blades to absorb the same amount of power as a chunky aluminum two blade prop. So the answer to your question is because that particular prop offer better performance across the entire flight regime, not just top speed.

All of these higher performance, light sport aircraft are designed to technically be flown legally under the light sport certificate, but the unwritten rule is, it will definitely be flown at a higher weight.

I think they are anticipating the LSA rule change to add enough weight increase to 1500 to 1700, that the useful load will be more than enough

True...the looming trainwreck of a recession is gonna bite hard on general aviation.

@@rocketmanpm Not the business and private JETS of those that think they are elite just the little people. The UK minister of transport flies an almost new SR21/2, all on an MPs wages?????????

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@@flyinghigh5031 I can see this being viable if one is willing to do a lease-back with a responsible FBO training enterprise. What a great platform for three things: 1. Training students through the Sport Pilot exam; 2. Ab-initio training for first few hours in order to vet students' ability to receive in-flight training and 3. Transition pilots into glass panels as an affordable practium on modern flight directors.

The idea of light sport was to make it affordable that was lost

Yet has better performance than a C172 180hp model. Power to weight is King.

If you consider a Cessna 150/152... Then it's not substantially less...

Well... Newer than Continental and Lycomings for sure...