Putting an Asterisk on Potential NBA GOATs!

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Is LeBron James the GOAT? Is Michael Jordan The GOAT? Is Steph Curry, Kobe Bryant, or Bill Russell the Greatest of All Time? In this NBA video we are actually doing the opposite by Putting an Asterisk on Potential NBA GOATs and debating how each of the NBA Greats are NOT the GOAT! NBA Animation by Rebound Rewind.
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:26 LeBron James
4:11 Steph Curry
5:03 Bill Russell
6:54 Larry Bird
7:44 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
8:55 Magic Johnson
10:37 Kobe Bryant
12:00 Wilt Chamberlain
13:04 Michael Jordan
15:44 Outro
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@ReboundRewind Год назад

Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 0:26 LeBron James 4:11 Steph Curry 5:03 Bill Russell 6:54 Larry Bird 7:44 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 8:55 Magic Johnson 10:37 Kobe Bryant 12:00 Wilt Chamberlain 13:04 Michael Jordan 15:44 Outro

@accountant3847 Год назад

Hakeem vs Duncan the best GOAT debate fr fr💯

@kameronwright9925 Год назад

No Shaq? Unless I'm going blind

@Shinobi33 Год назад

Milk men and plumbers? They didn't pay players back then genius. They had to get jobs to supplement their incomes. These milkmen and plumbers were the best players in the world then.

@andrejamison2723 Год назад

Kareem played against Wilt Willis Reed Nate Thurmond Dave Cowens Bob Lanier Wes Unsel Bill Walton At his position in the 70s. Each one of these players were on the top 50 at 50 at the center position. Competition breeds excellence.

@rioalcones9136 Год назад

ilove micky mouse🤣🎉👏😭

@TheHolySC Год назад

Notice how he didn't go after Brian Scalabrine. The reason is because his greatness is so amazing it simply cannot be challenged.

@wills5819 Год назад

What 😂

@11platupus Год назад

@@wills5819 scalabrine is a fucking legend bruh

@wills5819 Год назад

@@11platupus you trippin🤣🤣🤣

@alexandermunoz7208 Год назад

@@wills5819 you tripping bro

@therealcharlestonblack1724 Год назад

Who we talking about 😕

@tristanharris8440 Год назад

So does that mean Hakeem and Duncan are the GOATs if they weren't mentioned? Edit: This sarcastic comment is confusingly popular.

@jimlee7275 Год назад

Exactly (sarcasm) 😂😂

@andreacultreri6727 Год назад

Yeah probably cause there isn't pretty much anything against them, expecialy Tim

@kittenking24 Год назад

Melo and wade are probably close

@floppublican6352 Год назад

@@andreacultreri6727 Hakeem’s 8 first round exits, Duncan’s underwhelming playoff performances especially 04 against lakers, plus the fact he wasn’t able to repeat as champions ever. But overall those are the only legitimate flaws that I know of both had phenomenal success and retired as greats

@blitx62 Год назад

Hakeem GOAT carried the rockets back to back won an MVP DPOY FINALS MVP and is the only player to have 300 blocks and 200 steals in a season easily the best defender OAT and led him team to the finals as a sophomore he could’ve won more if he had more competition give Hakeem reggie miller he’s killing the bulls

@flibbidyx2 Год назад

The point is, if you're looking for an asterisk, you can probably find one, whether it's fair or not. Same could be said of most individual championship seasons.

@LifeIsMusic227 10 месяцев назад

True but thats the whole point of the video

@303rookie 9 месяцев назад

Word. Some of the points were reaching like crazy. Comparing apples to oranges, crossing eras and contradicting his own arguments. Real talk, I'm glad Julius Irving was not in this video. Not saying he is the goat, I just didn't wanna hear no over analytical explanation.

@steveandmarniecooper4522 Месяц назад

The real point is most ppl make their decisions based upon raw data. Fewer but smarter ppl add context to their choice. But the fewest and smartest, like this vid, understand the role of nuance in any decision or choice. Best ever vid to demonstrate that reality!

@MASERATI_MARV18 11 дней назад

@@LifeIsMusic227 notice how they stated as the first words " the point is "

@LifeIsMusic227 11 дней назад

@@MASERATI_MARV18 correcting me 9 months later is crazy

@LamechPalmer 11 месяцев назад

I love the Bill Russell disclaimer. Lol. Even as a purely hypothetical exercise, you have to give the guy his due respect.

@hamzerpanzer 4 дня назад

He gives the disclaimer because he doesn't want to disrespect people who have recently passed on

@blakehorn2454 Год назад

Makes sense of you to not include the 🐐 Alex Caruso as he has already set in stone his elite status

@someneep6259 Год назад

I see ur a true fan of the TRUE G.O.A.T

@peytonfechter3438 Год назад

Yes MORE CARUSO FANS

@peytonfechter3438 Год назад

For my school's basketball team I shaved my head bald and got a headband,

@sonnywoods6846 Год назад

You are still saying this old ass sht

@pumpkin7099 Год назад

Whos better Brian scalaGOAT or caruGOAT

@codealias3234 Год назад

The ray allen ring is kind of unfair. I’m not a Lebron fan (s/o to my grizzlies) but he scored 16 pts had 3 assists and 2 blocks in JUST the 4th quarter to bring his team back into contention. Not to mention he clutched a 3 pointer right before ray Allen’s legendary 3 pointer.

@Jeyclippedit Год назад

All of them are unfair thats the point

@501jaylee Год назад

@@Jeyclippeditnah the Kareem point is pretty fair, only realistically 3 of his 6 rings were won because of him. He was just a great center on an insanely stacked roster.

@unchboy Год назад

That's my knock on LeBron. He missed the 3 before the rebound went to Allen.

@501jaylee Год назад

@@unchboy but Lebron is the reason why Ray Allen was able to clutch it up, they were down heavy and were gonna lose until lebron caught fire in the 4th

@userunknown1578 Год назад

Ray wasn't even as major of a factor as the refs were in the Heat winning that Finals... The series should've never even made it to 7 games... Ginobli was fouled in the closing seconds of game 6.. Spurs would've won the series right then and there.

@anastasismois2423 Год назад

That first Jordan argument is completely illogical when you think that Mike had nobody before and after Pippen while Pippen had Hakeem, Barkley and Drexler throughout his non bulls days so of course he is gonna win more.

@whymojo2164 9 дней назад

Yes but even if you ignore that and just focus on the 1994 season without mj he still has better records in both regular season and playoffs.

@iNostraD Год назад

Magic was still in his prime during the 1991 season. He had won MVP the season before and was one of the frontrunners that season, he retired because of the HIV but could’ve played several more seasons.

@TheTonytone77 Год назад

yeah but he had rookies and injuries in 91 ...magic even says they werent supposed to make the playoff untill he willed his team there

@krump743 Год назад

@@TheTonytone77 worthy played all the games in the finals and averaged 18ppg.... how much more help did magic need. Jordan/pippen v magic/worthy.

@TheTonytone77 Год назад

@@krump743 worthy was playing injured...

@krump743 Год назад

@@TheTonytone77 u Cross the line ur not injured mate..... injuries are pathetic excuses to use. Right to cross the line to play but once ya lose its "oh I was injured" fk outta here

@krump743 Год назад

@@TheTonytone77 I'd also like u to explain how the lakers won game 1 if they were so old and injured yet couldn't win another single game the rest of the series....

@TheZuluninja Год назад

As someone who has retired from GOAT conversations, I absolutely loved this video

@thomaschamberlain3045 Год назад

@thezuluninja i asked my grandpa around 2000/01 who was the best basketball player ever and he regaled me with stories of Wilt the Stilt. he watched basketball since the late 50s and if he said Wilt was the GOAT, that's good enough for me. i too have retired from GOAT talk and think a much more fun convo is what would be your all-time starting team, not simply the best at each position cuz those players might not go well together

@rurenzu Год назад

me too

@joebauers3746 11 месяцев назад

I am clearly the GOAT, I just did'nt make it to the NBA so that all of you could witness it.

@HonoredKami 11 месяцев назад

@@joebauers3746yeah only if I didn’t exist

@cjtrules1 10 месяцев назад

Doesn't matter if you still talk about who the GOAT is or not. Why are you making that a qualifier?

@True-Believer616 Год назад

Great video concept. Pointing out these criticisms people use to knock some greats down in order to prop their favorites up.

@accountant3847 Год назад

Man singlehandedly defeats haters from each fan bases using their method 👏🏾👏🏾 Notice that he shown tim & hakeem but didn't mention them thooo👀

@cadestine9511 Год назад

@@accountant3847 cause they aren’t in the goat conversation. MAYBE Tim Duncan but it’s a stretch. And Hakeem only got popular bc of tik tok kids reading stats. In 3 years he went from the most underrated of all time to the most overrated.

@king-ghost1027 Год назад

I'm so glad he straightened this out with lebron and his fans,, lebron will never be the goat, he got saved by kyrie and Ray,,, he's a lefraud

@accountant3847 Год назад

@@cadestine9511 I mean, he shown both hakeem & tim in the video among other 🐐 candidates, but he didn't talk bout the 2

@kameronwright9925 Год назад

@@cadestine9511 tim should be in the top 10 discussion but with records being broken on the daily and the way the game is going now a days who knowsv

@brianelam9297 Год назад

This is a reminder that all players have weaknesses. But I still believe Jordan is the goat. He accomplished way more in fewer seasons than anyone else.

@ssnago 9 месяцев назад

Magic? 5 rings 9 seasons

@SICKOCL 9 месяцев назад

Jordan isn't the goat

@kauffamn1016 16 дней назад

@@SICKOCL he is , your n the minority my boy .

@lacolem1 3 дня назад

Russell won almost twice as many rings in roughly the same span. They both played with HoF players and coach.

@bobbyd1632 Год назад

Hold up so MJ beating Magicn in 1991 was way past Magic's prime, Magic was 2nd MVP that season yeah?

@finallife87 Месяц назад

and magic was what 32 or 33 that year?

@bobbyd1632 Месяц назад

@@finallife87 31

@Ampampas Месяц назад

Hiv

@bobbyd1632 Месяц назад

@@Ampampas he was diagnosed in November 1991. The finals were in June. Magic was 2nd in MVP in 1991. Magic averaged MORE assists and rebounds in 1991 compared to 1990 when he won MVP. In 1991 playoffs Magics ppg in the playoffs were the 2nd highest of his entire career. Add to that HIV first appears as flu like symptoms a few weeks then after that 90% of people who have caught the virus don’t see any symptoms such as fatigue and muscle loss for up to several YEARS - look it up Your point is very flawed my man

@kauffamn1016 16 дней назад

And he won back to back Mvps previously , stolen from mj who was more deserving .

@BigNastyB16 Год назад

Idk maybe I'm crazy but I don't think 8.4 APG and 11.2 APG are "just about the same amount of assists" there's a solid difference between those numbers. I loved the video otherwise, I just thought that one point was a bit off lol.

@cjtrules1 10 месяцев назад

The whole video is "off" because it is all nitpicked stuff.

@Plush5 2 месяца назад

@@cjtrules1that’s the point

@lacolem1 3 дня назад

The entire point is people love to nitpick when it suits their argument. “MJ would never do that. Oh, he did that? Well he had a justified reason to, unlike those OTHER FRAUDS!!!”

@dacohov Год назад

Man called Wilt Chamberlain, Dolph Schayes, Paul Arizin, Bob Petit, Jerry West and Elgin Baylor milkmen and plumbers. SMH.

@finallife87 Месяц назад

trash list they had to get 2nd jobs because nba wasn't making much money yet. the disrespect in this video.

@Yortie Год назад

“The chosen one became the frozen one.” I understood that reference

@2cansam196 Год назад

He really went on Lebrons head with that 3:45 long minute overview

@connndama1112 Год назад

There’s just so much to cover 😂

@williamdean5543 Год назад

Fr like what did he lebron do to deserve sm disrespect 🤷🏽‍♂️

@walkertexasranger1514 Год назад

@@williamdean5543all time leading scorer, all time playoff scorer be the best player in the league for 17 years straight. about everything to get him on the same plane as jordan and they can’t accept that so they’ll discredit everything he does to raise up jordan

@goten3965 Год назад

@@williamdean5543 everything he said that’s what he did to deserve that much disrespect you can’t do all of what he said and crown yourself as the goat

@chillbutton2986 Год назад

@@goten3965 I hate the 3 peat argument. It doesn't factor in competition. If he 3 peated against teams like 87 lakers or 86 Celtics then that's God tier. He's not 3 peat against teams like Spurs or gsw

@alwayshasbeen7125 Год назад

In my opinion if Wilt's attitude was different on the court(He played softly because he didn't want appear a mean guy because he wanted to make basketball a different sport which doesn't depend on stature but versatility. He hit hooks, finger rolls, etc., but rarely drove and dunked. With his athletism he and height he could just run and dunk over anyone and score 80 points or more every game and maybe even out score teams alone

@champspec Год назад

This video contradicts the fact that Russell isn’t the Goat bc his HOF support cast that won 11 titles. But Wilt’s flaw was the fact that he didnt win titles against that same 11 title dynasty, the Celtics. So its either one or the other…. But We can give this guy a pass, since He obviously never saw half these players play in real life…. If we are talking individual accolades here, find another player that Holds over 50 NBA scoring records. Wilt still does and its been 50 years since he played. I’m going to have to give credit where its due here, since nobody seems to have a clue of what a GOAT really is. And thats Wilt Chamberlain. And its not even close! Find a player that scored 100ps in a game. Or even 90, or 80. Wilt led the league in PPG, Rebounds, FG%, Blocks, Steals, and MPG. Later in his career in LA, he was asked to pass more, so he went and led the league in Assists too. Wilt averaged OVER 48 MPG one season. Let that sink in. The NBA had to change 3 rules to make it more fair bc he was too dominant. By the way, Wilt is also the only one to ever record a quintuple-double in history! His sheer strength was unmatched. Players were so intimidated by him, they had to triple team and foul him every time he went to the basket. And he did this, with never sitting on the bench and NEVER fouled out of a single regulation game in his career. Wilt never fouled Any of those players bench press over 400lbs? Wilt put up over 600lbs and was so strong, that even Arnold admitted he was too intimidated to work out with Wilt. Lets not leave out the fact that he played for the Globetrotters at the same time, traveling by bus, 2 games per day. And he was also the fastest and jumped higher than anyone on that list. Wilt Held track and field records at the time in college. Its shameful for anyone to overlook Wilt the stilt. The stat sheets are just too comical for anyone to actually believe it was possible to do the things he did.

@thatoneguy5001 Год назад

@@champspec well as the video pointed out,Wilt mostly played actual grocery store baggers and the league had a way faster scoring pace back then.So if you factor in way worse inferior skilled players along with a break neck scoring pace then wilts big numbers aren’t nearly as impressive.

@UnconventionalReasoning Год назад

@@thatoneguy5001 Please learn about the players from the 1960s before dismissing them. Yes, Wilt played at a break neck pace. And he still stayed on the court for almost the entire game. He has the career record for minutes per game at 45.80, so he sat for less than 3 minutes per game for his entire career. The top 7 seasons for min/gm are his.

@fica1137 Год назад

@@champspec Don't forget that he slept with 20 thousand women. He also held the sky for Atlas and slew the Nemean lion

@Andrew-ms8md Год назад

@@champspec Wilt's flaw is that he folded in the playoffs

@JordanGurney 9 месяцев назад

😂😂😂 Scal's bobblehead standing next to all those legends was awesome!

@someone7045 Год назад

For the Jordan one when you talked about how good scottie was, he was with Drexler and Hakeem at the end of his career so no wonder he had such a good record without Jordan

@ThingSomeRandom Год назад

Drexler retired after the 1998 season so Pippen never played with him bud, try again. Barkley was on that Houston team as was Hakeem, but that was for one 50-game season. Most of Pippen’s career post-Chicago was with Portland.

@krump743 Год назад

@@ThingSomeRandom that Portland team were perennial contenders and lost to the lakers in game 7.

@zenithzeitgeist7489 Год назад

Pippen says Mike warned him about Barkley. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-grDwKQ24gjs.html

@23Dataminer 11 месяцев назад

Exactly. In addition, when he was in the Bulls 94 and 95 without Jordan, he had practically the entire rest of the winning team at his disposal. In contrast, Jordan started in the completely below-average Bulls, practically without a proper teammate, and the coach at the time also cannot be compared to Phil.

@brettreason484 11 месяцев назад

Pippen never did squat this video is ridiculous the ONLY knock on Jordan was he was a shite teammate. He didn’t even mention that.

@Sauav3 Год назад

The transitions between players are so entertaining

@matthewluecke3704 Год назад

Scottie's regular season and playoff records without Michael are significantly boosted by his time in Houston with Dream and Barkley and Portland. Michael had to carry some guys around before Pippen arrived. Great video!

@rakhmamort Год назад

Add the fact that the no-MJ Bulls that Pippen led was much much better than the pre-Pippen Bulls

@salehelkhatib7951 Год назад

Pippen also had the benefit of playing with the exceptional role players Phil Jackson built around Jordan. He didn't have to play from the ground up as Mike did.

@Big_3000 Год назад

Excellent points in this thread

@HYQ11 Год назад

people gave that one pippen season way too much credit:1)like this team only won one playoff matchup, something achievable by even mediocre teams here and there every year, 2) one season sample size doesnt show nearly enough consistency, 3) this pippen was great because he got to play with mj day in and day out for years, if guarding the best offensive player in history everyday in practice dont make you a great defender and likely also a good offensive player, i dont know what will

@eeempy99 Год назад

MJ didnt win shit without his supporting cast. He had to be given the best team in NBA to succeed. every other player from this list would succeed the same in MJs position.

@Thefrogonnascore 10 месяцев назад

Bro your transitions from subject to subject are top shelf

@Kaizala1933 Год назад

Love the animations, quite funny😂

@VampireYoshi Год назад

Larry Bird averaged that low because he, like Magic and later Michael, 'created' for other players and literally made them better players. When they were elsewhere, they dropped off precipitously, and if you call for hard stats, they can be provided. Also, those lifetime stats include when Bird was basically playing with a half broken back, for all intents.

@megsley Год назад

bird was the epitome of a team player and everyone around him benefitted for it.

@jabrilwebb5624 Год назад

@@megsley Bird is the most overrated player who is an all-time great he should rank somewhere in the 8-10 range

@jubjubhenry5612 Год назад

@@jabrilwebb5624 i’d put him anywhere from 3-7, never lower and if anything underrated because people who try and cap are almost always clueless and never saw him play or understand why people say he’s top 10 for life. when you dig into it it really is shocking how good Larry Bird was at ball

@jabrilwebb5624 Год назад

@@jubjubhenry5612Putting Larry bird at 3 is insane with only 3 rings and barely 20k points. There's all time great with more rings, better stats, and were just in general better players. Here's my ranking 1 Jordan 2 Lebron 3 Kobe 4 Kareem 5 Magic 6 Duncan 7 Shaq 8 Bird 9 Curry 10 Hakeem

@jubjubhenry5612 Год назад

@@jabrilwebb5624 well it’s not a longevity competition or a rings competition so i don’t think the rules are that claustrophobic to be honest. for me it’s more of a peak/dominance type of issue. because then you have ridiculous crap like me asking you where karl malone is on your list. cases are specific and take some love to really try and make sense of eras and whatnot. not to mention you say insane then place him literally FIVE whole places lower so maybe not that insane eh 🤣🤣 i’d lay out my case for Larry at #3 but you and I would never agree on much looking at that list. bron at #2 is hilarious, magic over larry is weird and can’t be supported beyond “5 rings”, etc

@sgshumblecrumb6046 Год назад

In defense of Lebron, for every asterisked title he won with a stacked team against weaker competition, there was a year where he dragged what would've been a lottery team without him to the Finals, only to face an unbeatable Warriors team with Durant or the Spurs in 07.

@shrekisboss5759 Год назад

Yeah the cavs would’ve been an awful team for most of its lifespan if it wasn’t for lebron. Same thing with the heat

@jasonpascual5426 Год назад

lol still defending the queen 🤣

@jasonpascual5426 Год назад

lebum wouldn't reach the final if he's not in the "LEASTERN CONFERENCE" and this 10 finals appearance is not your escape goat in the first place.. a lot of times his team srs is not better than the ones warrior or spur face in their conference...

@jasonpascual5426 Год назад

im waiting for this lebum meat riders to answer 😂😂😂

@jasonpascual5426 Год назад

@Jxmyhighroller already point that out same as credible as johnny Arnett and he is a cerfitied lebron Stan 😂😂😂

@stevenhowardwayne46 11 месяцев назад

I’m so glad this was made…because when I try to have these discussions, people lose their minds

@aran882 Год назад

Nice video. Imo the stat comparison you made only goes to prove that the value of a player goes beyond the stats :)

@37hiddensecrets Год назад

You can’t compare one season of Kevin Love to Larry Birds entire career…

@jonm7888 Год назад

That was really misleading. Love averages 17 pts, 10reb, 2ast, for his career.

@3D80sKid Год назад

And the "prime" Kevin Love stats were big meaningless stats for a losing team. Versus the star player on championship contenders who actually moved the ball around.

@eeempy99 Год назад

yall really get triggered by this video? 💀💀

@Tatum_prodz Год назад

@@eeempy99 how are they triggered kid

@Trollololololful Год назад

@@eeempy99 found the 12 year old

@Tydrix Год назад

This video just reminded me how amazing the 80's finals were when a prime Magic faced against a prime Bird.

@geordiejones5618 Год назад

It was top heavy just like the 90s. The 00s and 10s were way more competitive overall

@Tydrix Год назад

@@geordiejones5618 for sure. Now it’s even more competitive. But in retrospect the 80’s Lakers and Celtics finals rivalry was epic.

@literallyatrashboat8711 Год назад

@@geordiejones5618 bron made the finals almost every year for the 10s and you’re saying it was more competitive than the 80s? Lmao

@poocrayon4588 Год назад

@@geordiejones5618 The 90's was more top heavy - the 80's was top heavy but once you got to a finals level you had real quality the likes of which didn't exist in the 90's or 2000's or 2010's. Celtics, Lakers, Philly, Bad Boy Pistons, Houston, Atlanta and Cavs. Celtics, Lakers, Pistons are 3 teams the like of which the 00's and 10's didn't have. They had the Lakers, Spurs and in the 10's Warriors - but not 3 teams at once on that level. Possibly you could also throw Philly in there for the fist half of the 80's too. I really believe the greatest overall concentration of extreme player talent at the top of the league could be found in the mid 80's.

@rastafarri4953 Год назад

West 80s was trash

@24manhoi Год назад

For anyone who wants to count rings, Robert Horry got more rings than most of these guys. And Pippen was really good but the dude was a bricklayer most of the time. But Jordan and Pippen needed each other.

@bricefleckenstein9666 11 месяцев назад

Horry was never the core of a team, though. He just had good timing on being traded to teams that wanted his role player skills.

@rd81kwc 2 месяца назад

As a jazz fan I do think John Stockton is the goat passer

@booo865 5 месяцев назад

0:26 LeBron James 4:11 Steph Curry 5:03 Bill Russell 6:54 Larry Bird 7:44 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 8:55 Magic Johnson 10:37 Kobe Bryant 12:00 Wilt Chamberlain 13:04 Michael Jordan 15:44 Outro 517

@SimonaSappia Год назад

For Magic, it isn't about how many passes he has but the quality of those passes

@joebauers3746 11 месяцев назад

You don't get two assists just because you looked the other way while you passed.

@bricefleckenstein9666 11 месяцев назад

Bird could argue the point there - but he wasn't a point guard so didn't get as many chances.

@gregrowe1168 Год назад

The multiple retirements for Jordan does make you wonder if he would have retired at a younger age had he played all the way through. Still , except for the last stint with the Wizards, he was at an mvp level every full year he played. Maybe he doesn’t have the stats overall but he didn’t play 20 years like Kareem and Lebron. He still has the highest scoring average per game in NBA history.

@redmangc Год назад

"Retirements" Dont you mean Suspensions. ( Im making a joke )

@eeempy99 Год назад

but, once again, only while playing with the best team in the NBA at the time while there was almost no competition.

@georgejizmundo Год назад

If Jordan played more season, pretty sure his averages would go down. He could not be great that long

@drakecastleberryofficial Год назад

@@eeempy99 You realize that MJ Played in the 80's and 90's with Shaq, Clyde Drexler, Dantley, Hakeem, McHale, and Wilkins, and Vince Carter (in the late 90s)

@somregularguy Год назад

@@drakecastleberryofficialthose are good names but notice how MJ never beat any of those names in their primes and the ones he did weren’t that great to begin with, like Clyde, Wilkins and and Carter who wasn’t even in his prime when they played against each other, Shaq was too young to legitimately challenge a much deeper and solid Bulls team, Jordan dodged Hakeem in his healthy and well equipped seasons, it’s no secret that Hakeem got the better of the bulls head to head

@vante2129 Год назад

The way you made your argument genuinely had me thinking I was having a conversation with some basketball fans in Facebook groups 😂😂🤦🏽‍♂️

@chadhiggins9944 Год назад

Why do I love the animation soooo much? 😂

@jaded9234 Год назад

The problems with the G.O.A.T. debate (and the reason why I don't usually hold it too highly myself) is that there are multiple different flaws within it that cannot be resolved. For instance, I'd argue that the a player who accomplishes a feat, before anyone else, accomplished the hardest version of that feat. Once you see that something is possible, that eliminates any doubt in attempting it. couple that with growing up, having that standard in front of you while having other advancements come along to keep you in shape. Take Bird for instance, Larry didn't have a concrete reason to practice the long ball until he was 24, and even then he hardly if ever did, except for occasionally shooting with Ainge. Until that point, they were long 2s, novelties you might impress somebody with, while risking the coach's anger. Even then, he and a select group were immediately able to demonstrate a knack for it, and I would love to have seen how they would've done with the ground already broken. Some players are great in "their time". Others are limited by theirs and would be very interesting to see now. The "what-ifs" will shadow the debate for forever.

@robinilouga Год назад

Goat debate is all about opinions

@jaded9234 Год назад

@@robinilouga True, but not everyone is willing to accept that fact.

@anthonyurso3554 Год назад

True. I think if you look at everything. It comes down to Wilt and MJ though. They both dominated the court and their loses are justified. How was wilt suppose to beat the “infinity war” team and how the hell was the 80s bulls with a young MJ gonna beat 80s lakers and Celtics and the pistons played dirty to not let him advance. I think Wilt and MJ are the hardest to criticize

@jaded9234 Год назад

@@anthonyurso3554 That all depends on what criteria you're using. I'd argue that the two most dominant "Dynasty" runs belong to Russell and MJ. The two with the most effect on the rulebook are Wilt and Mikan. Every player has/had their strengths and weaknessesOn my personal list, I have Jordan and Bird sharing the top spot like a physical/mental "yin yang". But that's just it, their playstyles were so different on top of the different positions they played, I just have a really hard time designating a singular GOAT with all the differences in position and varying ways in which the legends were able to demonstrate their individual greatness throughout the decades. I'm not going to judge anyone for their choice.

@andrewhite4431 11 месяцев назад

@@anthonyurso3554 Finally someone with common sense. Ty. For me it's Wilt.

@rickjensen2035 11 месяцев назад

I am glad to see this video. You have to take each player that everyone claims as the "GOAT" by what they did (according to their stats) and the era they played in. Cause if Shaq went up against Wilt Chamberlin, who would win? Or Bird vs Bryant? What I am getting at is each person in their prime could be the GOAT of that era, like MJ is the GOAT of the 90's.

@MuRpHyKn0t Год назад

Apparently someone never saw Stockton play. He might or might not be the greatest passer in NBA history, but he is always in the conversation. Everyone in the building knew where he was going to pass the ball (to Malone) yet he kept getting it there

@krump743 Год назад

Yes everybody in the building knew Malone was getting the ball. Even Jordan knew it in game 6 of 98 which lead to Jordan's steal... game winner with a lay up before that play in the last 43 seconds of the game.

@MuRpHyKn0t Год назад

@@krump743 What a shock that the greatest player of the generation (and former Defensive Player of the Year) managed to stop Stockton on an occasion. Absolutely inconceivable. 🙄

@krump743 Год назад

@@MuRpHyKn0t Jordan never stopped Stockton tho Stockton set the cross screen on rodman..... 🙄 🤡

@kennysingletary4490 11 месяцев назад

Yep, there have been nine 1000 assist seasons in NBA history and John Stockton has 7 of them.

@daglomontaro958 Год назад

if people go by micheal jordan needed pippen to win a chip. some people dont know how bad the bulls were before pippen and when micheal first joined😂 their nickname was literally the terrabulls. and they had to go againts larry and magic

@FrankMilanese Год назад

Yeah, Remember in Jordan's 2nd season when he broke his ankle the team were not close to making the playoffs, Jordan returns and they make it, Pretty decent player to do that in my book

@kacykain3363 Год назад

@@FrankMilanese To add to that, he faced the 1986 Celtics in the first round. He averaged 43.7 ppg that series dropping 63 alone in game 2 and this was against (who some would argue) the best Celtics team ever.

@BayAreaHoops415 Год назад

They were bad but through all time coaching and drafting they became absolutely stacked. in 1994, without MJ, Scottie lead the Bulls to 55 wins and weren’t far off from getting a title. Scottie was so good he lead the team in every category and was in MVP talks, in the Finals, the only thing MJ has more than Scottie is more shots and points. Scottie has more assists, rebounds, steals and blocks

@somregularguy Год назад

It’s funny how oblivious y’all act, just because the bulls where bad when before Pippen doesn’t mean Jordan didn’t need Pippen to win championships, y’all love to ignore the fact that it was Pippen guarding Magic in 91 and that’s what turned the series around, sure Jordan still was the best player but let’s not act like Pippen was getting carried either 😂

@keithjoseph128 Год назад

Yeah the media does this with all the great except Kobe.

@whenisdinner2137 Год назад

The argument that Michael Jordan only had good stats against Bad teams falls apart immediately when you realize he has a way higher scoring average in the playoffs and even in the finals then he does in the regular season

@redtiger4352 Год назад

Exactly. That jordan alone and pippen alone comparison is stupid like were they playing by themselves ot had other team mates? Look at MJ team mates in 84-88 they were high on cocaine

@sportstalkonly1442 Год назад

@@redtiger4352 how is a guy that leads the league in rebounds or average 23 a game on coke?

@sportstalkonly1442 Год назад

@@redtiger4352 that cokehead teammate argument is false

@sportstalkonly1442 Год назад

Jordan's stats went down in elimination games

@whenisdinner2137 Год назад

@@sportstalkonly1442 yet they're still way above everybody else's 💀

@DrizzleSports Год назад

idunno Bro that LeBron one felt kinda personal 💀

@KleinpeterHank Год назад

9:27 that Westbrook drawing is nightmare fuel

@drewlavay Год назад

Wait, so if we're assuming Russell played against players that had part time jobs does that mean players on his team had part time jobs as well...?

@simonhowell4486 Год назад

No only Russell's teammates were full time ball players. And given that Wilt played on the opposite team he was a part timer too.

@dreadiejaquan9240 Год назад

So Oscar Robertson, Elgin Baylor, and Will Reed were all part-timers as well ?

@vsmith3rd Год назад

Russell sucked at scoring. There's your reason why he isn't GOAT.

@EarthDestroyer59 Год назад

@@vsmith3rdliterally doesn’t matter

@bricefleckenstein9666 11 месяцев назад

BAD false assumption. NBA players of the Russell era were full-time professionals, that made MORE than many lawyers, MOST electricians and other "professionals", and had NO NEED to work part-time.

@Shawn-lf7es Год назад

For those who say Wilt played against 5"11 white guys, here are the starting and backup centers than guarded him during these games: * Knicks (100 points): - Darrall Imhoff 6"11 - Phil Jordan 6"11 * Lakers (78 points): - Ray Felix 7"0 - Jim Krebs 6"9 * Wizards (73 points): - Walt Bellamy 6"11 - Charlie Tyra 6"9 * Sixers (70 points): - Johnny Kerr 6"10 - Swede Halbrook 7"3 * Bulls (68 points): - Reggie Harding 7"1 - Craig Spitzer 7"0 * Hawks (67 points): - Clyde Lovellette 6"10 - Larry Foust 6"10 * Suns (66 points): - Jim Fox 6"10 - George Wilson 6"9 * Kings (65 points): - Wayne Embry 6"8 - Hub Reed 6"10 * Celtics (62 points): - Bill Russell 6"10 - John Richter 6"10 * Warriors (62 points): - Nate Thurmond 6"11 - Connie Dierking 6"10 * Pistons (59 points): - Reggie Harding 7"1 - Darrall Imhoff 6"11 * Thunder (53 points): - Bob Rule 6"10 - Henry Akin 6"11 * Rockets (36 points): - Elvin Hayes 6"10 - George Johnson 6"11 * Blazers (33 points): - Leroy Ellis 6"11 - Dale Schlueter 6"10 * Clippers (31 points): - Elmore Smith 7"0 - Nate Bowman 6"10 * Bucks (29 points): - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 7"2 - Dick Cunningham 6"10 * Cavaliers (24 points): - Walt Wesley 7"0 - Luther Rackley 6"11

@YT-Redmason Год назад

Cap

@tobingallawa3322 Год назад

Wilt faced an all star or hall of fame opponent every night, because the talent pool was not as diluted with 8 teams, or whatever it was. Russell was the number 1 or 2 high hurdle guy on the planet in his day. Chamberlain was probably the greatest athlete who ever lived. Who could have beaten him in a decathalon? He would win most of the events

@YT-Redmason Год назад

@@ShaneAlan1 Cap, he’s a better shooter then curry

@donovanko6809 Год назад

Bro if wilt played in todays era with today’s technology he would be like Gianni’s and he would be able to shoot free throws because of the trainers

@vvvawdad1767 Год назад

@@ShaneAlan1 so what? If he got 100 points without any shooting skills its all the more impressive

@rolph11 10 месяцев назад

anyone notices that he's literally animation rewind?

@nhennessy6434 11 месяцев назад

Wilt was the GOAT. You pointed out yourself, he played all his career again the Celtics who had Russell and a minimum of three other Hofers to throw at him every single game. So yeah, that he could even make it close against a deck that stacked against him. And the stats were not padded, he was just that much better than everyone else. Also the greatest athlete by far to ever play in American sports.

@ja027 10 месяцев назад

Wilt chamberlain is not the goat

@alanhouston5874 Год назад

If Wilt’s rebounds don’t count because everyone missed at the time, shouldn’t he get more credit for his scoring figures?

@simondewitt7161 Год назад

That depends, would you count your scoring numbers if you played against a team of 10 year olds?

@rxzileu-6645 Год назад

@@simondewitt7161 10 years old = fully grown adult with part time jobs.. Well done Sherlock

@chungboislim2061 Год назад

@@rxzileu-6645 7 foot 10 year olds lol

@tmrevenge Год назад

Great vid pal. Absolutely we can always say every goat challenger is unworthy. You should do another one of this

@ehochmuephi8219 11 месяцев назад

... what if Butler and Leonard ... ^^ Great video!

@SHOW_ME Год назад

•Excellent video• Data analysis: 1) seen Kobe's whole career and the fact that he finished top 5 in scoring after starting his career on the bench is awesome. 2) Jordan and Wilt are the only two players in the top ten that BARELY played 1000games. Took everyone else 1200-1500 games 3) accurately lists LeBron's rings by circumstance.(youngbabyOKC-RayAllen saves the day-Kyrie clutch-Jimmy ButlerBubble)

@SHOW_ME Год назад

Damn. Even worse case for Wilt. Scored all them points and records an he not even top 10 all time

@hardwoodthought1213 Год назад

The Kobe thing is super irrelevant. He played when he was 18,and by year 2 was playing 27 MPG. By year 3 he was playing 36+. MJ, Malone, Kareem all played multiple years in college.

@king-ghost1027 Год назад

@@hardwoodthought1213 & after his Achilles injury he was out the very next season with a knee injury, only player 6 games averaging 13.8 ppg on 42.5 % ,, & his last year he was just jacking up shots, your points and my points are the only reasons why his career ppg average and his career fg % is what it is exclude those years and his averages would be 27ppg on 46-47%

@hardwoodthought1213 Год назад

@@king-ghost1027 You’re saying just exclude his play as an 18/19 year old? If so, nah. He wasn’t that good when he was young we can’t just then ignore those years Kobe isn’t the only dude who had a major injury. KD tore his Achilles and is still 30+ a game on super high efficiency Either way, the fact we’re saying we have to remove 5 years of Kobes career to make him look better shows how far we go for him. Duncan played most of his career on 1 knee, no one mentions that

@qdontae6 Год назад

I point that out to ppl also with the Kobe thing but nobody cares but he do don’t finish #1 smh

@bungerroyale112 Год назад

Also forgot to mention Curry's first ring simply came down to Kawhi getting injured with the Spurs being up 25 points but Zaza stepped in

@christianday8140 Год назад

That was 2017* his second ring and idk y y’all act like spurs would’ve won jus bc of 1 game

@AndYouAre Год назад

Need to get your years straight. The had the Pelicans (sweep), Grizz (6 games), and the Rockets (5 games), before they faced the Cavs. Not a single series went 7 games which says a lot when you consider how young and inexperienced their 3 best players were (Curry 27, Klay/Dray 25). People give that team flack for allowing the Cavs to win 2 games, but don't acknowledge that the Warriors in 2015 were the 4th youngest team in history to win a title. Iggy was the only player older than 29 who played more than 20 mins per game in the Finals. Not a single regular season starter was older than 27 (Curry/Bogut).

@uqutz Год назад

@@AndYouAre Still, went against 1 man lebron offensively and delly being his 2nd best player as he locked up curry but got hospitalized

@SeniorJr815 Год назад

His first ring was because of playing on a superteam and Love/Irving sitting out with injuries

@cyrilnwaguru Год назад

@@AndYouAre I think you might be overdoing it a bit. The pelicans were missing 2 starters and they were much younger than the warriors. Grizzles had major injuries as well and when mike Conley played they won every game, granted it was only 2. That rockets team was ass. Clippers choked that WCF appearance away. They might’ve lost to LAC in 2015. In the finals, the warriors played a Cavs team without Kyrie and Kevin Love. That Cavs team also ran through their conference. That 2015 Warriors chip is prolly the shakiest one if you ask me. 2017-2018, it is what it is but no way they were winning against a healthy Cavs team in 2015… it didn’t happen in 2016

@amratashbaghel6628 Год назад

You didnt consider the leagues avg possessions per game, when wilt chimberlain scored his 100 point game and avg 50 points per game the league had an avg possession per game of around 120-130 while during jordan's era the avg possessions per game was around 80 - 90

@bricefleckenstein9666 11 месяцев назад

And after adjusting for that, Wilt STILL owns 4 entries on the all-time Top 10 scoring seasons - instead of 5 - and Jordan barely adds a second entry to his existing entry. Wilt's 6'th place DOES drop to 12'th though, near as I have it figured - but he STILL owns 3 of the Top 4.

@sir_sack 5 месяцев назад

those stats are wrong

@alecjoncas7764 11 месяцев назад

Players can be switched 1/2 spots depending on how I feel during the day… 10: Wilt Chamberlin 9: Tim Duncan 8: Magic Johnson 7:Bill Russel 6:Lebron James 5:Kareem 4:Kobe 3:Shaq 2:Larry Bird 1: MJ

@GreenGamer69 10 месяцев назад

Ok nice list but my list is a little different I would say 10. Steph 9. Wilt 8. Magic 7. Tim Duncan 6. Bird 5. Shaq 4. Bill Russel 3. Kareem 2. MJ 1. Lebron

@jimlee7275 Год назад

You sounding like Skip Bayless with the LeBron one 😂😂. #GOATJames

@gapos8212 Год назад

Yes. Such a LeBron hater. But i love this guy

@accountant3847 Год назад

Lebron segment legit the longest 😭

@jimlee7275 Год назад

@@accountant3847 he's a MJ guy. With the MJ segment he actually puts down and then defends Jordan at the same time 😂😂.

@jwolfman665 Год назад

Nah. I swear I heard Skip say that shit verbatim

@TheTonytone77 Год назад

I like how he used westbrook best peak season stats vs magics total career average stats

@alexbrufladt171 11 месяцев назад

Its crazy to think that lebron has lost 6 finals

@ericaguirre1893 9 месяцев назад

Guess he had nothing bad to say about Tim duncan

@Insanitydesigns Год назад

Rebound Rewind uploaded, a blessing to my day

@railenherman6482 Год назад

The Warriors weren’t gonna win with Draymond in Game 5 anyway. Lebron got another 41 in Game 6 with Draymond playing in that one. I’d argue the bigger asterisk is the Andrew Bogut injury.

@lynchone117 Год назад

And we all found out after the series was over that Steph Curry had a Strain ACL. In that Finals.

@railenherman6482 Год назад

@@lynchone117 He was still healthy enough to play and had 3 games to close it out. Not a strong enough asterisk for me.

@lynchone117 Год назад

@@railenherman6482 that your opinion, Steph made no excuses, if it was up to him no one would have known, I just want facts to be known, because everybody and their momma knows that Curry can take K. Love off the dribble!

@toddclark6862 Год назад

Very weak case against Jordan. Sure expansion might have helped his team get 72 wins but his Bulls beat some very strong teams in the finals (esp '93 Suns and '97 & '98 Jazz; '96 Sonics won 64 games)). And Magic was 31 years old and still dominant when MJ beat him in the '91 finals (it was Worthy's leg injury that allowed the Bulls win so easily, not Magic being past his prime.)

@denzel97 21 день назад

Great video idea

@JohnnyRodgers3 Год назад

Wilt literally played against the most games and played against the most hot centers....his era also had the tallest centers 😭

@deant3980 Год назад

Nope.

@deant3980 Год назад

Manute Bol, mark Eaton, Ralph Samson....Hakeem, Ewing....all 80s bro.

@JohnnyRodgers3 Год назад

@@deant3980 yup

@JohnnyRodgers3 Год назад

@@deant3980 Walt Bellamy,Nate Thurmond,Kareem,bill Russell,Willis reed, ARTIS GILMORE, bob Lanier, ZELMO baety, bob macadoo etc all 60s and early 70s.bro🤷🏾‍♂️

@dreadiejaquan9240 Год назад

@@JohnnyRodgers3 Finally, someone who mentions the centers during the 60s.. And early 70s... some guy discredit Wilt because it was full of part-time workers.. but those centers are talked about today for a reason.. His argument was that they were inefficient, part-time workers, and their free throw percentage was too low

@BonsuTheTiger Год назад

these are a lot of asterisks but every all-time great player needs a great team, or a good team, to get a chance to win a title of course because basketball is a team sport of course keep up the good work bro loving the videos as always

@ddinfant679 Год назад

They also need a good coach.

@BonsuTheTiger Год назад

@@ddinfant679 correct

@GMAMEC Год назад

Yeah, the asterisks are a bit troubling. A successful team requires great players. The poster diminishes their greatness.

@ezsmith3765 4 месяца назад

There’s A LOT that statistics don’t measure -Clutch -Leadership -Timing (crucial plays at crucial moments... not always the same as clutch) -Teamwork (elevating teammates) -🏀 iQ -Hustle

@mjsup1 Год назад

Like the video Im a Jordan fan of course and have no problem with any of those criticisms they're fun and subjective as all to of the criticisms of all the Goat's. I would like to add one of the main reasons for the expansions was MJ, very promotable and liked so in a way his popularity kinda paved his way to Greatness. 😊

@qdontae6 Год назад

No all his criticisms were dumb n lacked context tbh I’m bout to light his ass up all over these comments lol

@Tenchi707 Год назад

@@qdontae6 he went off on LeBron way harder despite the fact that overall Bron is a better player

@Tenchi707 Год назад

They promoted him so so hard

@mjsup1 Год назад

@@Tenchi707 Not anymore than any other star, you can say Nike, Gatorade, Hanes, but they invested in something they saw could sell their products. And a lot of athletes had there promo's as well, Barkley vs Godzilla Nike adds, Magic and Bird had a Converse commercial, all these guys had deals and all the NBA videos I recall had several all the NBA stars in them, Superstars of the NBA, Dazzling Dunks Basketball bloopers, Below the rim which didn't even feature MJ, NBA Jam, Michael had his own Video but so did Magic. So the NBA didn't promote Michael any more than they did any body else it's the fact that people wanted to see him, he was exciting every regular season game had playoff intensity because of MJs competitiveness. You can promote who you want doesn't mean their going to achieve great things, Grant Hill Dinks Sprite!

@TheFrostyMan21 Год назад

@@Tenchi707 debatable

@Jsinista Год назад

Thank you for acknowledging that bosh is a real life velociraptor 😂

@starspangledhiker Год назад

Magic Johnson still being alive is the most impressive thing he's ever done. Fucking badass

@Senerian Год назад

Jordan is the GOAT. There is no other and no other comparison. ^6 rings, All with the same team/organization, Made his team mates better, Worked as a team to achieve, Backed up everything thing he ever said on the court. Did not lay out sick and played through things like the flue. Tough, no real time out or missing for injuries... Larry Bird would be second

@karyldavis9017 9 месяцев назад

Thank you. I swear so many people overrated LeBron because of the scoring record. LeBron is amazing but MJ is better because he is kinda scary

@nozers 7 месяцев назад

⁠@@karyldavis9017what a stupid comment 😂

@davidjonathandiaz2096 11 месяцев назад

I loved the video, great work!

@mentalmadness2192 Год назад

I've read somewhere that Jordan once said that the 90s Bulls (I think first three peat era) had no answer for Hakeem Olajuwon. So there was a good chance that 94 and 95 the Bulls could've actually lost in the finals, if they were to meet there.

@joneqwest Год назад

The bulls could not beat the rockets in the regular season, the One team the bulls never got to play in the finals hmmmmmm...

@kenrickeason Год назад

Hakeem Olajuwon played like a man among boys.. Dude carried the hell out of the Rockets during the second run to the championship..

@krump743 Год назад

Yer hakeem and the rockets were so good they got the third 3peat since the 60s... oh wait they didn't even make the finals 3 years in a row. Hakeem was so unstoppable right

@romanramirez7847 Год назад

@@krump743 Chuck and the Suns only narrowly beat the Rockets in the 93 Conference Finals. Hakeem was dominant that whole series.

@krump743 Год назад

@@romanramirez7847 narrowly... there is no such thing as narrowly in the history books. Hqkeem and the rockets had a chance to 3peat and didn't get it done....

@casherj1 11 месяцев назад

Love the video, Im always trying to throw a monkey wrench in these types of debates as well. I think the attribute that is the most important yet least focused on is the word greatest. This word can be extropolated to include the manner and circumstances by which they won. And the manner in which Jordan became such a huge star and going six for six in finals I thinks adds a certain shine that others don't have to lean on. The greatness of how flawless his winning was gives him the title for me even though I am a Kobe fan. I think "best" of all time is a more "fair" topic and kills the stat padding, eliminates the russels and curry's, while sticking back in defense.

@CKN215 11 месяцев назад

Your video makes me think about the importance of COACHING. A lot of what you talk about in your video could be explained by coaching. Jordan, Pippen, and Bryant only won with Jackson. Pippen without Michael had Jackson in Chicago and I believe Rudy T. in Houston. Duncan had Pop, Magic Riley, Russell Auerbach. Except for in Miami, James has rarely, if ever, had great coaches. A huge error for a GM and Owner! In Miami, he had Spoelstra with Riley (again) in the front office. A video I would like to see is the Phil Jackson, Gregg Poppovich, and Steve Kerr coaching family tree.

@jaym8988 Год назад

The 91 Lakers average age was 28. Only 1 starter was over the age of 30. In fact, Jordan's 93, 96, 97, and 98 finals opponents were older than these Lakers.

@splendidnigga4237 Год назад

Goddamn tell us how you really feel about lebron 😂😂😂😂

@quirofx6169 8 месяцев назад

I feel like whoever made this video does not watch basketball

@zxcvfr4321 3 месяца назад

1 of the best videos I've seen, but what a serious disrespect to Timmy

@AutopilotAndChill Год назад

It is Jordan for sure. He played in the most difficult and star studded era. Every team except maybe the Vancouver Grizzlies had at least one super star. The Toronto Raptors had TMAC and Vince Carter, Kings had Chris Webber. I don’t think there is a team from 1990-2003 that you could say didn’t have a superstar. The league was weak before because the Celtics and Lakers were so stacked and it has been a trash league since about 2015 with the complete lack of physicality and defense. I have always said the East has been weak too. Ever since I can remember even in the 90s it was the Bulls+1 and maybe 2 other teams. The west has always been the more competitive side. This is why playoffs should be seeded as a league and not West/East. You would see the best competition. Nobody wants to see a losing record team go to the playoffs other than their supporters. Casuals watch sports to watch competition not teams get steamrolled/swept.

@ssnago 9 месяцев назад

Most difficult era? Imagine all those stars on on team.

@SICKOCL 9 месяцев назад

@@ssnagoJordan is not the GOAT!

@Radioactivetigers 9 месяцев назад

@@SICKOCLwho is the goat

@theungreatkahli 6 месяцев назад

@@RadioactivetigersKareem

@sir_sack 5 месяцев назад

The 90s the most difficult era? Nice joke

@CS-dg4dn Год назад

Bill Russell made his teammates Allstars. Leagues weren't diluted with more teams. That's why we have so many bottom feeders.

@nolimitscoasterguy4813 11 месяцев назад

In defense of Jordan, I don’t really care about rings a lot because of the points he brought up, such as weak competition, but Jordan stats and the ways he can control the court can’t be denied

@keanuwade8357 8 месяцев назад

Baby thunder😂Kd,Westbrook,Harden,Ibaka all of them were young around 22-23 but bron was like 25 thats not a bad team

@DuongLe-mj9lg Год назад

Great and entertaining video! The only thing I disagree about is comparing players' across different eras. They have different offensive/defensive mindsets and strategies so I don't think it's fair to do so. Although I know this video is just for fun tho so screw it!

@theungreatkahli 6 месяцев назад

Agreed

@Zett76 Год назад

MJ and the claim that there were a lot of bad teams in the NBA, during the 90s ("a top-heavy league"): Well, yes, but then... why did MJ always IMPROVE his stats, come playoff-time? Hm...

@HugoSoup57 4 месяца назад

Also, for Jordan detractors who say the 90’s were a “watered down expansion era league”, why did MJ put up individually better stats in the mid to late 80’s than he did in the 90’s with a worse supporting cast? He had Pippen in his first few seasons before he became a star in 1990-1991 and Phil Jackson became the head coach in 1989. Before that, Orlando Woolridge and Dan Carzine were his best help. For goodness, the Celtics and Pistons had stacked teams with multiple All-Stars in their primes. The Lakers had a superteam as well, but they were in the West. And Jordan still has the highest scoring playoff game dropping 63 points on the 67-15 Celtics with 5 prime HOFers who also had the #1 ranked defense that year with no help. Folks who bring up how Jordan didn’t win a whole lot earlier in his career omit the context that Jordan also started his career with a terrible supporting cast and that LeBron MISSED the playoffs his first two seasons, in a much weaker East. LeBron carrying a weak Cavs team is still impressive, but there should be no denying that he benefitted by playing in a weaker Eastern conference for a lot of his career.

@23Dataminer 11 месяцев назад

With Jordan and Pippen, the numbers are nice, but otherwise pretty decent crap that doesn't take into account one major factor, and that is the coach. If you leave out the fact that Pippen had virtually their entire winning team at his disposal after Jordan left, and at the same time the fact that Jordan was practically really alone in his early years with the Bulls without a better teammate, the single most important factor affecting those stats and the Bulls' play is Phil Jackson. Jordan may have played like a god himself (as Larry Bird also said), but a good or great coach is necessary. He assembles the team, tells who will play and when, and prepares the game strategy. You have the stats of Pippen's play without Phil Jackson's guidance or without the superstars (which he had around him even when he left the Bulls). No, of course not. Because comparing the stats of Jordan, who came to the then-miserable Bulls, and Pippen, who came to a growing team (look at his stats for the first two years), which, moreover, was led by perhaps the best coach for a while after that, is all very unfair, to say the least. Pippen "alone" never had the weak teammates and coach that Jordan "alone" had. Sorry, but if you're going to do an analysis, do it properly and don't just pull out some numbers as you see fit, do it properly with proper context. Otherwise, it's not worth it.

@vibintrent 11 месяцев назад

Notice how Tim Duncan wasn’t included

@maelguiraud3568 11 месяцев назад

he should be .

@joechapman9518 Год назад

Larry Bird was the tuffest player in the paint, most hard working on the court the guy would go out read to fall on the sword each game. And he could great! One of the highest IQs ever. great clutch shooter, assists, 3time nba champion, 3 time MVP and 2 finals MVP, Rookie of the year and the list goes on. He did all this when the NBA was strong and tuff

@hallnall1667 Год назад

IMO, it's always a bad idea to compare players of different eras in any sport. Leagues change over time and so do the games themselves.

@fattony9227 7 месяцев назад

I would put an asterisk next to every Celtics title in the 60's. The league had a handful of decent to good players but the majority were mediocre.

@OhYummmmp 11 месяцев назад

4/6 seasons before MJ won his first ring he averaged 20 points more then the 2nd leading scorer that's how much help he had on those teams lol and the 2 seasons he didn't were his rookie and 2nd year when he broke a bone in his foot 2 games in and came back to drop 63 and 49 on the All time Celtics in the playoffs in a valiant effort... and they still got swept 😂

@karkeris Год назад

I always considered Hakeem to be the most underrated superstar as he never gets mentioned in GOAT debate.

@papadoc331 Год назад

Thete isnt qn argument

@gqprince2 Год назад

@@papadoc331 he's prolly the best two way player ever.

@papadoc331 Год назад

@@gqprince2 he still doesnt have an argument for goat. Also what does being the bets 2 way player ever even mean?

@gqprince2 Год назад

@@papadoc331 his total contribution on offense and defense are possibly higher than any other player.

@papadoc331 Год назад

@@gqprince2 so hes the most impactful ever? That would make him the best which you know isnt true

@bolbol2580 Год назад

2:07 you can hear him laugh at his own frozen one joke

@THEJWG 10 месяцев назад

I think we can all agree that Brian Scalabrine is far more superior and skilled than anyone on this list 🤷🏾‍♂️

@thespiritus4440 Год назад

Transitions were goated. Arguments were (mostly) solid, respect was top tier. Great video man!!

@Braidlan Год назад

Never talked about the goat Tim Duncan

@ReboundRewind Год назад

Maybe Tim is the Goat then 👀

@blackjesus6433 Год назад

@@ReboundRewind He never repeated and two guys on his team won FMVP. 🙏🏾

@accountant3847 Год назад

Hakeem 👀

@adamprice3466 Год назад

People rarely include Tim in goat discussions (which they should)

@sosamanotf642 Год назад

@@adamprice3466 because he’s nowhere the GOAT.

@thatcanadianguy8561 Год назад

You do realize the whole reason that The Cavaliers won is because also LeBron did block a shot

@josephmother2659 Год назад

The reason they won against the spurs was because of LeBrons missed 3 too he was just playing 5d chess

@jovinprime Год назад

@@josephmother2659 lebron games

@alexanderhamilton6391 Год назад

Ray's shot is fantastic, I agree. But lets not forget that LeBron helped the Heat make a crazy comeback. I don't remember how much Bron scored, but I remember it helped the Heat a lot

@drothageniuspurpgang2900 Год назад

@@alexanderhamilton6391 i think it was 14

@tupacalypse88 Год назад

@@alexanderhamilton6391 16 4th quarter points for lebron

@fredconway149 Год назад

Sport fans recognize the players that perform the best under the Greatest Pressure, Big Playoffs and championships, separate the elite players from the rest, get it???