30 July: On this day in 1966, England won the World Cup. From QI Series G, Episode 8 - 'Germany' With Jo Brand, Rob Brydon, Sean Lock and Alan Davies For more visit qi.com
As a German who was born in the 80s and who likes UK TV, I had often heard references about how '66 was the last time England had won the World Cup, but I genuinely didn't know that it was against Germany. No word of a lie.
...and as someone else has already pointed out here: For German football fans, the ranking of football rivalries probably goes sth like this: 1) Netherlands 2) Italy 3&4) Brazil or Argentina 5&6) France or England
It's a very right-wing, imperialistic mentality espoused by the boomer generation - who were all born after 1945 - that grew up with a smugness claiming "we" won the war and using every competition against Germany as a way of affirming how much better we are. Failure to do so often leading to drunken bar fights. Thankfully, it's a small-minded mindset we're starting to move away from
@@demianhaki7598 Brazil or Argentina?! are you mad! name one chant at the expense of the brazillians or Argentinians. We've not played either. I never think about either country ever
I am German and can tell you that we are going once a week to a Therapy, because we are so sad about 1966. Therapist's are making a lot money with 1966.
I've recently started learning German and just noticed that you've written "a Therapy" because I remember you have to say "eine Therapie" in German. But weirdly in English we only talk about therapy in general. You can have a singular therapy session, but you cannot have one therapy.
Germans have won 5 world cups, why the fuck would they be upset that we won it jus to be and that was over 50 years ago. England are embarrassing we still make any noise about it.
Up until 2018 there was a whole room at the National Football Museum in Dortmund dedicated to the third goal and the ball not going over the line including several camera angles reconstructed on a computer to conclusively prove that the whole ball did not crossed the line. I think they've done alright since.
It was given by a Russian linesman who was a POW during WW2. Of course he was going to say it crossed the line. It was a joke decision that would never have been made today.
@@rosstaylor2594 Ok,blame Wikipedia. I was born just after the 66 world cup and have seen that goal a thousand times. He was always referred to as the Russian Linesman. Don't have a go at me thanks.
I loved watching this as an American, because we have a fucking movie about how we beat the Russians at Hockey in the 1980 olympics. If you ask a Russian about the 1980 Olympics they're just like, "You mean that one year we got silver instead of gold?" They couldn't give a shit.
1954, 1974, 1990 & 2014 : Gemany have won the World Cup on these 4 occasions. So they're probably not too focused on the 2 times they lost a final, 1966 & 1986.
When we beat Germany in Germany in the semi-finals during the European championship in 1988, we had a bigger party here in the Netherlands, than when we won the finals against Russia. Football matches against Germany are always something else and I love to watch the Germans play against Oranje, but the Netherlands against England as well, cause it's usually a great game.
I remember working in London (as a foreigner) in 2004, and a local I worked with shouted "1966!" as if he was really proud of it. I asked him what happened in that year and he told me it was the last time England won the world cup in their favourite sport. I said "And you actually tell people about it?" To this day I still don't understand why it's a point of pride and not shame, that it's been 50+ years since they succeeded in winning the world championships, and still enthusiastically bring it up in conversation!
We here in Chicago used to mourn the fact that the Cubs hadn’t won a World Series for over 100 years. We never celebrated winning back in 1908. For England to still be held up by the 1966 World Cup just makes me pity them
@@pokemaster123ism Only 8 countries have actually won the world cup, there's nothing to pity. One of the many countries not to have won it is the USA, which is why they pretend they don't like the sport.
@@navelpicker We've come close several times these last few cups. It just takes one year where they don't choke and it. We won the Euro last year, it won't be long until we win a world cup.
Fry is correct: the average German football fan knows all about 54, 74, 90 and 2014 (the won finals). But only the bookish types will know about 66, 82, 86 and 2002 (the lost finals). When you've appeared in as many finals as Germany has (also 7 x Euro finals) then most people will only remember the ones we won. And regarding rivals: Holland & Italy are the big two, with Austria & Poland being minor rivals. Further afield games against Brazil & Argentina are seen as "Klassiker", because of their own successes. England are barely scraping the top 10 among Germany's most significant rivals.
Quite surprising that QI of all shows has the yellow submarine album in the background for 1966 but it was released in 1969, almost a World Cup later smh
@@azzyclark3860 well yes and no, it was on revolver. But the album cover seen in the background is from the self titled album yellow submarine, which contains the soundtrack for the movie, and that album is from 1969.
It's deliberately all wrong. That is the later World Cup trophy (compare it to the one in Bobby Moore's hands in the next image), the car is a 1990 model and the photo of Jimi Hendrix is earlier than 66. Twiggy might be right, though
fatbelly27 you’ve made things worse now. Here’s what ice found: the album is 1969 (but yellow submarine was first released in 1966), that style of trophy was introduced in 1974 and only has the relation that it’s from a World Cup, the mini is from 1990 but had a model in 1966, the photo of Jimi Hendrix is from 1966 and the twiggy magazine is for 1960s fashion
There is a song called Holland. The guy is singing about how much he loves going to Halland for vacation, for shopping, he loves Dutch food and the friendly nice people. But when it is Germany against Holland in football, he hates them like the plague. Nobody wrote a song about rivalry in football to England. For good reasons. England might see Germany as their nemesis in football but it is not the other way around.
As a German (I can only speak from my experience) we are very aware of our reputation as tourists. Just to give you an example, I am about to graduate school, so to make the last days as pupils fun we have this tradition at our school that in one week all 13th-graders dress up according to previously decided themes. On Friday our theme was „Mallorca“. Virtually everyone came in sandals and white socks and many brought a towel which they put on their chairs. Trust me, we know exactly how much everyone hates us. At the same time tho I think that us Germans start to become aware of this and are trying to change our behavior, at least I myself am really annoyed when I see people behave like that...
Pah. Germans are generally well liked and popular abroad these days because most of you are quite nice as is your country. Opinion polls show this (British people like Germans more than you like us for example).
I’ve worked reception in several hotels, ranging from 3-5 star level. The Germans were always amongst the favourites. Pleasant, courteous and easy to deal with.
its so true. many of my football watching friends even cheer for england second after germany. the percieved rivalary is definetly a purely english thing.
@@XhoowieX i always thought it was a war kinda thing. i watch a lot of british tv, and thats how it always came across. in a funny kinda way i must say. and if it were we might deserve it, but let me assure you we have changed or at least most of us. and me personally i dont really follow football. love the british though. been over there a few times. hiking in scotland a bit of barhopping in london.
@@holymaryfullofshit3790 yeah, some people are still weird about the war. It mostly tends to be people who were born in the decades after it; people who actually lived through it don't seem so obsessed with it, weirdly, and people born later (like me), or people who have actually studied history, fortunately don't share the obsession either.
@@XhoowieX well one should not forget the horrors of war. but forgiveness is a good thing. i feel thats how most of my grandfathers generation sees it.
@@holymaryfullofshit3790 oh yeah I'm all for learning about it, I've probably studied it more than any other period. As you have hinted at, the issues arise when somebody who wasn't even born yet views Britain in the war as 'I' or 'we', and refers to somebody else who wasn't even born yet as if they're Adolf Hitler himself just because of where they were born. I wouldn't even say a British person owes you forgiveness, unless you were fighting in the SS or voted for Hitler yourself. If you weren't born yet, then how can you take responsibility? Not fair at all.
@@famuel2604 she did, about German holiday makers slagging her off in German, which she understood, and "railed at them in pigeon German".... something along those lines
It is so good to hear the Germans would love to beat the Dutch the most. I have always been told the Belgiums love to beat the Dutch the most. However when the Dutch don't go to the worldcup they would be most likely to support the Belgiums instead. And that must be so frustrating. To hate someone but to be liked back. And I thought it was the same between Germany and the Dutch, the Dutch, when it comes to sport hate Germany but they, well they like us, I though. It so much better knowing they hate us. Hate just like love is better when it is mutual.
As a German who grew up in the Netherlands and therefore learning both cultures, I experienced it as follows. We Germans in general do not hate the Dutch. Sure, there are always some people who do, but the Dutch are more or less seen as second cousins. They are seen as cheerful people and are definitely more loved then hated by the Germans. When it comes to sports, then yes, there is some rivalry. Like there is with almost all neighbouring countries. The Dutch were always reminded of the second world war, at school and on television etc. History lesson consisted of almost nothing but this horrible war. The war in Indonesia on the other hand was less talked about. How to manipulate people. Thus the Dutch always hated us and many still do. It definitely wasn't easy to grow up here or to get the same opportunities, and I am almost forty now. Luckily the consensus changed a lot towards us Germans and new generations lose the old stigmas more and more, which I only encourage. Learn to know the person without assumptions, is the best all of us can do. If the people wish for their children not to be bullied any more, then the parents and society should set the example themselves. Racism and other stigmas is something that is taught to people, which are not good life lessons. The production behind this video has probably not done any research on how Germans think about Englishmen when it comes to football, it's just television. A box that should be known for its continuing of misconception. This of course is just my experience and only my observation, someone else can have an entirely different perspective. Ik wens jullie een fijne dag verder. Ich wünsche euch einen schönen Tag.
@@miquelmanolo As a Dutchman, I agree with much of what you're saying but I do want to stress that we don't necessarily hate Germans. There definitely is a cultural difference between the two nations in that the Germans are more reserved whereas the Dutch are more blunt and unapologetic; especially when it comes to the war, which many Germans are obviously still quite uncomfortable about, whilst Dutchmen will make uncouth jokes and remarks about it. Actual hatred doesn't really play a part in it, the two countries are too intertwined for that to really be the case.
@@DrCroccer I only now realize that what was said about the hatred towards us, was incorrectly expressed. It was genuinely not the intention to generalize, my apologies. Not everyone in the Netherlands has this point of view I spoke about and you are a great example. When the joke is good I'll laugh too, but unfortunately I have to say that I have been treated racially in all sorts of ways in this country, something that sadly often happens when you belong to the minority and the newspapers have a large share in this. It makes you see the world different though and for that I am grateful. But times have changed and new generations are getting more aware of the beauty that comes with different cultures. Ignorance is turning into curiosity. You've explained the general characteristics of our nations perfectly in my opinion and I completely agree. Really like what you have written and to be honest, love what you wrote about the two countries being intertwined. It is so true, but I so rarely hear it from anyone. Your text made my day, thank you for that. Prettig weekend!
@@miquelmanolo I’m Dutch, and I don’t mind the Germans, except when working with them, because they’re far too punctual for a chaotic person like me. They’re as flexible as a steel door.
A dubbed into German program I saw on German TV that I never expected was Hogan's Heros but to be fair it is probably not much different than us Brits watching Dad's Army.
I lived in Germany in the 1980s, and back then 1966 was still a raw topic, all because of the third goal and the "Russian" linesman. A friend of mine used to chant a rhyme which went something like this: "Eins ist sicher und eins gewiss: das dritte England-Tor, das war Beschiss". Roughly translated: "one thing's for sure and one thing certain: the third England goal was a swindle." "Saure Trauben" was my standard response (sour grapes)...
Never knew they cared so much before I saw this episode ! I'm Dutch and yes, Germany is no.1 on the list, then Portugal/France/Argentina whatever. Prost !
As an American, I was completely lost during the discussion of "hogging/reserving sun lounges." Is that something that happens at hotels or holiday resorts or something? And I'm guessing that people somehow reserve or claim them in advance by laying out towels? I'm barely aware of what a sun lounge IS; the picture helped a lot.
The English pretend that their rival in Europe is Germany and in South America is Argentina, where locally is Scotland. They like to live in this basing their rivalry with the Germans and Argentinians to past wars. In fact the true rivals for the Germans in football are the matches against Holland, then France, then Italy. Their matches with England same as with the Czechs and Poland. As for Argentina, their rivals in football are Brazil, Uruguay and Chile. The English media likes to create some stories, that are not seen that way outside England.
That's not true, Argentina cares much more about England than we do. During the last World Cup their players were singing about us and etc it is a big game for us but a much bigger game for them
@@feelesh Nae - the Germans would not have gone flat out chasing an equaliser and a replay would have been needed. Also, if current rules were used then Jack Charlton would have been suspended for the final.
@@maconescotland8996 I think you put an unnecessary 'not' in there. Actually my earlier response was a joke. However, in your scenario, maybe the W Germans would have conceded another if they went all out for an equaliser. And talking about current rules is just wrong. Maybe with current rules, Alf Ramsey would have introduced an extra substitute (Jimmy Greaves) and we would have won 7-2.
The Germans lost to Argentina in the final in 86, I have yet to meet a German who is upset about it. Likewise with 1966. Although they have referred to a "phantom goal" ever since as ein Wembley-Tor...
All seriousness about "ze war" aside, I love the banter and fun we can now have about "all of it". I'm German and I love having a bit of banter with the english about it all!
Gotta disagree with Stephen on this one. Growing up in Germany, the term "Wembley Goal" was quite popular, especially everytime someone hit the crossbar playing football. 1966 is referenced quite often I'd say. Also the most iconic win of our 4 world cups isn't 1974. The most iconic is without a doubt our first one from 1954 which is known as the "Wunder von Bern" (Miracle of Bern). Not only because we went into the tournament as complete underdogs against the mighty Hungarians. But also because legend says that the Miracle Of Bern launched the "Wirtschaftswunder" (economic miracle), which raised West Germany from total wartime devastation to a developed nation in modern Europe.
I think if we didn't reached a final since and never won anything till this day, we would probably be more upset about it. But considering how many titles we won since 1966, it's a bit of an afterhought. England remember 1966 all the time, because they have nothing else to show. :P
I've always presumed the Germans are unlikely to care that much. It can't be that common for fans of any nationality, of any sport, to be deeply culturally aware of a particular instance of coming second, decades ago.
I feel like I must not understand something about the 1966 World Cup. Were the Germans expected to win? Why would it be anything anyone would be expected to be "upset" about to begin with?
As another German who isn't interested in football at all, I know without googling that there was an ambiguous goal in the world cup final 1966 with the ball exactly on the line, which the referee decided was a goal for England and everyone in Germany was upset. That is the story right? I might not know if my dad hadn't told me though.
But that's it. We're upset about the goal. Not about the England winning thing. And that's because losing to England is no shame. Losing to the Dutch is though.
Germany scored the 2:2 in the last minute of full-time. In the extra time there was this situation where England scored the 3:2 but as we all know today it actually was no goal because the ball was on the line and not behind the it. This "no goal" broke the moral of the german team and they lost 4:2. That was the last time England won anything in football world champions.
at the end Alan says "because they are in their own countries"; because France, Italy, Portugal etc.... are where British and German people often go for holidays.
I am German, and I will tell you that we DO know about our towel reputation. We just don't talk about it, because if we did talk about how every beach chair from Mallorca to Malta was under German occupation, you limies would try to bring the war up again
I'm always surprised England fans don't know this, being an England fan myself. England fans so often pride themselves on their football knowledge, but so often only within a very narrow bubble that fits their preconceptions.
Why would any country remember all the years they lost? We all cling to the years we won - or, in Sweden's case, the years we even made it as far as quarter finals.
Reserving a lounger with a towel should be illegal! They're freely available, first come first serve, unless it's something you book, where you need to put your name down so they know you will be coming out money is involved like a plane ticket.
The Dutch aren’t that keen on the Germans, partly because of WW2, but also because everyone keeps the Dutch and Germans as the same. It’s like calling a Scots, Irish or Welsh person English...they take it as an ignorant insult.
Meanwhile, we Americans are probably in the middle of the list of "likely to reserve loungers." Because we're probably, on average, dickish enough to consider it acceptable, but also lazy enough to not want to go through the trouble. XP
Winning the World Cup before 1966 and three times since probably makes losing that final easier to take. It is interesting however that Germany has a football rivalry with Holland. Before the 1970s Dutch football was an irrelevance so it is difficult to understand where it comes from. Britain and France have a sporting rivalry, particularly at Rugby Union, which presumably has a basis in umpteen conflicts over the century and I'm sure the Dutch desire to put one over the Germans has its origins from their occupation during WW2. The Germans however struggle to express their nationalism for obvious reasons; the last thing the average German would want to do is shout about the two world wars given their roles in both, particularly the second, notwithstanding the fact that they lost both of them.
Not every football rivalry has to be rooted in conflict. Argentina and Brazil never had military conflict and yet have one of the most intense football rivalries. While on the Dutch side the football rivalry was born from world war 2 animosity I think on the German side it's more rooted in them getting knocked out in the Euro 86 by Netherlands
The Dutch also have a football rivalry with Belgium, albeit one that's a bit more mild from the Dutch side (the Belgians, on the other hand, take it very seriously). Football rivalries only rarely stem from political or military conflicts. Most often they're just something that exists between neighboring countries boasting competent teams, not unlike the local or regional derbies that exist in most football leagues around the world. Or they have their origins in historic wins or losses against a certain opponent. Also the German-Dutch rivalry existed long before Euro 88, which was the one where the Dutch defeated West Germany in the semi-finals, which the Dutch often describe as more important than the final against the USSR (which they also won). On both sides the rivalry already existed in 1974, and it was extremely unpleasant at the time.
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Only 16 teams in the 1966 finals..Africa and Asia did not take part in the qualifiers.Actually a bit of a non event.I think the 1970 team was the finest England team we ever had.
North Korea was in the 1966 World Cup, and one of the greatest WC upsets of all time was when they beat Italy to go through to the knockout stages and send Italy home.
@@mrvarus8957 Ah okay, the more you learn. Tad pedantic though, Holland is synonymous with the Netherlands in English speaking countries. Not quite the same as calling England Hertfordshire, but I get your point.
@@anonymoususer6237 Germany would have won it. They wouldn't haven't lost to Croatia 😂. It was such a winnable world cup for England as well as all the big teams were crap. They'll never get a chance like that again
@@anonymoususer6237 lol your acting like that was a typical germany performance. I'm saying that if you look at their squad you can tell they didn't do well. If given another chance they wouldn't lose to Croatia or a small team like that. But England's national team are bottlers 😂. I cant say the same thing for them
@@abdiraoufmuse7908 They performed badly in every game - even when they won. The German team is very weak at the moment compared to England, especially when you look at the young talent that England has (Sterling, Sancho, Odoi, Loftus Cheek, Mount, Foden etc.)
So Sean was actually almost right with his great Geschmürtzschlift bit. Prussia did almost effortlessly beat the Dutch in a war in 1787, which resulted in the building of the brandenburg gate. Historically they could walk into the Netherlands whenever they fancied.
It is really pathetic isn’t it? Us Little Englanders are so proud of our 1966 win that we are certain that all Germans must still be in shock. Of course they aren’t. Can you have a one sided rivalry? No. It is all so silly.
I'm Australian. I'd throw the fkg towel on the concrete and sit in the chair. Call management if you like and I'd tell them to get rooted as well. Sun lounges are for people, not fkg towels.
Why would they care when they've won so much since then 🤣 I lived in Germany during a world Cup and Euros and they never cared at all about English but boy did they mock the Dutch tourists 🤣
That’s what you call France? Oh mein gott! 😂 I didn’t realise that German people disliked the French Could you explain to a confused Scottish person why this is?
Still Ill it’s a joke 😂😂 I would even argue that France is now after Brexit more liked then England (yes England not Britain we realize that the Scottish wanted to keep being part of our club) It’s more about a friendly rivalry between neighbors.
@@generalpurpose772 Please keep in mind that this is by now not serious in any way, but the "dislike" for the French is a relict from the French-German enmity. That was the serious hate between France and Germany that arose from the wars and conflicts from the 16th century onwards. It was for example one of the driving factors behind the unification of Germany. After WW II (don't mention the war :D) a mutual effort was made to replace the hostility with "friendship". Towns have French partner cities that give festivals in honor of each other, schools exchange students, etc.
@@generalpurpose772 Actually there's no hate at all just some banters by the older generations. It's a friendly relationship between france and germany
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