Queen Banana⎮Miraculous Ladybug Season 4 Review 

Man.... I just did NOT like this episode. If anything, I was more angry at Thomas Astruc than I was with Chloe because his hate boner for her character actively ruined any potential for a reformation, which she showed a lot of potential towards in previous episodes.

I despise this episode with a burning passion, it’s obviously just and episode to discredit Chloe and make Zoe out to be the good person (yes she is a good person, but she’s being used to make Chloe out to be a horrible person). Thomas is just trying to get us to hate Chloe.

I cant get over Thomas's sudden hatred for Chloe's character then creating a whole new character just to continue to paint her as the bad guy, and its noticable. when there are worse villains to be focusing on. like what happened to the lila situation? completely dropped it

The worst part about this episode is that it, paired with Sole Crusher, is what officially killed off any hope for redemption for Chloe. After Miracle Queen, I thought “Okay, so Chloe is in a low spot, but there’s still a _slight_ chance she can still be reformed later on.” Nope. With Queen Banana, she is past the point of no return. I want to like Zoe, I really do. But there is one massive problem with her: Zoe is a *Mary Sue.* Her only character trait is “she’s nicer than Chloe” and suddenly she’s the right person to use the Bee Miraculous.

I really don't understand why Zoé is even a thing. They've been developing Chloe for a while now and she was really becoming a better version of herself. And one morning, out of nowhere, they decided to undo it all and force Zoé onto the viewers as the new Bee miraculous holder🤦🏿‍♂️

Remember when Chloe was an actual character? Yeah. I miss that. 😀

I found it funny that Zoe said she is done playing the supporting role of the family, but we all know she be a background character intl a Chloe episode.

Smarty Pants: "She won't ever get a redemption arc." Tikki: Casually hints redemption arc AGAIN even after all this.

9:25 I would really like to see an episode where ladybug gets affected by the villain instead of Cat Noir like in Dark Cupid. Then, Cat Noir would have to save the day.

This episode made me so mad at Thomas Astruc.Chloe had redemed herself in Season 2 but the fact that Thomas hated her as a character basically decided to throw that all away and make her the villain.And I feel it’s rushed bc there have been people in this show from Season 1 and they haven’t gotten miraculouses yet but Zoe comes an episode before and she already has a miraculous.

if she isn’t ever getting a redemption arc that’s fine, but i am not going to keep watching if they rely on her to cause negativity to other people. just wrote her out at that point

I just feel like Zoe getting a Miraculous and being instantly trusted by Marinette was completely out of no where. I was excited to see Chloè at least getting better character development and becoming a better person, making her someone who could actually use the Bee Miraculous. BUT NO, they decided to throw all that built up character development away.. a completely sad excuse just to get Zoe to be the new bee miraculous holder.

It’s official Chloe has gone Banana 🍌

I can't, this episode is just the creator masking his propaganda to paint as much dirt on chloe so that she'll be hated by the viewers and to present zoe as the much better bee user and a much better character, the episode is too forced to the point that it's too cringy to watch.

The creator of this show has no idea what he’s doing he throws temper tantrums on twitter calling it a “kids show” and “for girls” when responding to obvious trolls and genuine criticism.

I'm so disappointed at Chloe's development.

The fact they had to try this hard to ruin Chloe is just a wow. Micheals's whole hate for Chloe is just funny to because her redemption is probs some of the best writing from the show. And even with that he said she never had a redemption arc and people are reading to much into it and it was accidental Some of the best writing of the show was an accident yikes.... Zoe is just a much more uninteresting Chloe and I find her creation pointless and will never be as good or better than a reformed Chloe in my opinion.

Here’s MY problem with Zoe as a character: she’s pointless. Even if you believe Chloe never should have been redeemed/never was redeemed, even if you ignore how quickly Ladybug trusted Zoe with a miraculous, even if you love her character to pieces, that’s still all she has to offer. And only in theory. I’m sorry, but there was no reason to create an entirely new character just to fill Chloe’s spot when you already have an ENTIRE CLASS OF CHILDREN who haven’t wielded a miraculous yet, AND have had more screen time development over the course of three seasons than Zoe has over two episodes. I actually really liked Zoe in Sole Crusher, not gonna lie. People say she’s too perfect, but that episode did give her a struggle, a passion, a couple of hobbies and a few other things to make her three dimensional, or at least not too perfect (which was a lot more than I was expecting them to do). But then in Queen Banana, they shove all that character to the side, have Chloe hog the spotlight for half the episode to the point that I forgot she was even there, and then halfway through she just shows up and does some generic nice-person things (some of which cross the line of being well-meaning and were just downright suicidal), and that’s enough to make Ladybug think “this one would be a PERFECT Bee Miraculous holder”. Because there wasn’t any other character traits that she could have displayed to prove that she was fit to be a hero, like using her ability to act to trick Chloe in some way (that actually helped people), or her trying connect Chloe wanting her time in the sun to her own earlier struggle of feeling unwanted. Literally anything? Nah, she’s just nice, and that’s enough apparently. I honestly never cared that much about Chloe getting redeemed. I did at first but then I thought “they had this almost exact plot in Umbrella Academy which also ended in that character turning into a villain, and that story was super cool.” The problem with Chloe’s story wasn’t that she didn’t get redeemed, it was that the amount of character inconsistencies that Chloe had to go through to achieve that story was outrageous, and rendered her development prior to that point almost entirely moot, and turned an interesting morally grey at worst character into a two dimensional bad guy. (That and Umbrella Academy actually knows how to talk about child abuse and this show clearly doesn’t). There are ways to make a fall from grace tragedy story work, but it requires a) proper pacing (which Chloe didnt get in season 3) and b) the character remaining consistent with themself and their motives. Like I’m fine with bad guy Chloe, so long as you don’t strip away all of the nuance that made her interesting in the first place! Queen Banana is proof that Zoe being introduced and Chloe slowly turning into a sociopath wasn’t done because the writers had a story to tell, or because they wanted to explore Zoe’s struggle of putting up a facade for people to like her in a new city, or because they really wanted to check up on Chloe, or explore the affects of Audrey’s abuse or any of that. It was done in a desperate bid to convince people that Chloe always was really that bad. But instead of actually SHOWING that, because she NEVER WAS, they just make her worse and worse in the most inorganic way possible, and put her next to generic nice people to make her look all the worse by comparison. Which is sad, not just for Chloe but for Zoe as well, because again, I was excited about her character at first, and the writers are just throwing all that potential away because Thomas wants so badly to prove he’s right that he’s going to staple her potential to Chloe’s story. Yeah that was a long tangent. TLDR: Zoe is superfluous and the show does nothing to justify her existence. And if Thomas actually cares about Zoe as a character, he can’t keep using her to show people Chloe sucks.

Also why can’t hawk moth just make a villain that can grant him he’s wish?!it would be a smart move

What if ladybug tries to give everyone the charm, but when she gives it to Gabriel he will find out about how they are preventing akumas and make a master plan or something

Chloe is just a plot device at this point

I don’t like this episode and I’m disappointed at what they did with Chloe. Showing characters like her in a different light are the best but they just decided to throw it all away

Where did Lila go this whole season? 😂🤔

I mean yes, Chloe was really bad but SHE WAS BECOMMING A BETTER PERSON! In season 2 they gave her a soooo good character development- and then just dropped it. Wow. Very good writing.

Who else remembers "Banana Boom Boom" 😂😂

5:49 that is exactly what I was thinking he didn't end the call.

Chloe is essentially heading for an almost Azula-level downfall.(Hopefully one with a genuine redemption arc afterwards, something like Bakugo or Vegeta)

Maybe Chole didn't grabbed Lady bug’s earrings due to shock? Also Chole’s redemption “arc” was ruined. I don’t get the banana thing but it was entertaining.

This is one of the worst episodes ever and I wish it was never made

Sole Crusher+Queen Banana were trainwreck eps. In two eps Zoe is introd and given a miraculous and in each episode at least half the time is spent on how horrible Chloe is. Zoe is second string in her *own arc* that's how much they were pushing the Chloe hate train. It did a diservice to Zoe as a character because she comes off as a painfully forced plot device of a character. I hope we get to see more of her eventually so she can feel more like a character not some cheap ploy. Also:The route they've taken Chloe seems to basically be admitting they wasted large chunks of season 2-3 on her :P

can we all agree thomas’ writing is the real problem here?

Great episode is it just me but chloe was 100x more spoilt in that episode I hate how season 2 plot was wasted on her redemption arc if I’m being honest even when that was the plan for her character development I was still 70% sure she will never change I wish was not right

Words cannot describe how much pain I was in with this episode... The cringe, the Chloe/Chat Noir slander, the writing, it just- I’m done. I am DONE with this show. Edit: And about that subway scene... Can’t Queen Banana just... Leave the car, and go into the subway herself? Like, the last time I checked she’s capable of walking. Just get out of the car, go down there and nail Ladybug and Zoe with her gun, and boom. Mission accomplished.

Its the fact how zoe masters the bee miraculous immediately and doesn't need to be taught anything which is bull

The sad thing is Chloe was actually starting to build a good character and was less mean but then Marinette gives Zoe the Miraculous and Chloe gets mean again

Im curios how many villans ther left , imagin if ladybug give lucky charm to anyone in paris, consider she do this offscren ...maybe So far s4 may go BANANAS XD

Chloe is just wronged in this episode . I feel like she Deserved the Bee miraculous its her Reason to live

Well I did indeed hate this episode, because every time I see Chloe I’m reminded that Thomas wrote her as obnoxious as possible to make us hate her. Can’t wait for the movies when he won’t be around to ruin the script.

Sabrina's obsession for bananas in this episode was... really confusing.

some people liked this episode, some people didn't but I hope we can all agree that cloeé's hair and outfit looked very nice

imagine. if the 2 sisters finally started to get along and Zoë assures Chloe that she won’t see Chloe as a monster like everyone else does after what she did at the end of s3. So now Chloe doesn't want to lose her and then they get in a situation where ladybug had to give one of em a miraculous and she obviously chooses Zoe not just that. she gives her bee one and because of the situation she has to give it in front of Chloe. And Chloe now afraid of losing her sister and only person who doesn’t see her as a monster supports Zoe even though she hates it that Zoe is now using bee miraculous. the ep ends with Zoe saving the day and Chloe being happy for her still have her attitude ofcourse. she waves Zoe off with a moderate smile and then goes to her room closes the door and just breaks down crying on the ground showing how much she actually regrets her decision of being bad in last season and how much it actually effects her despite her not showing anything at all and ep ends with that wallpaper kind of thing where Chloe’s is crying on ground with her back to us. soon after optigami, Zoe becomes the only person (apart from ladybug and chat noir) who’s identity is secret from hawkmoth so ladybug decides to leave miraculous with her permanently cuz giving and taking would be risky for identity and chloe too keeps it a secret and sometimes tries to help zoe with powers as she has experience with it. Shes still resentful and doesnt like ladybug at all but she likes her sister. chloe's relationship with zoe effects chloe in ways she didnt even noticed, she starts to be a better person even if no ones watching, she stop and reduces her bullying of others drastically and starts to respect others as human beings and doesnt see them below her. thanks to her s3 actions she has less confidence though nobody can see that and she blames herself for this situation. her change in charcater is also noticed my adrien and he starts to repect her once again and more than before and now is great friends with her and woul stand up for her if needed though chloe is still confident enough with attitude that she can defend herself. Adrien and chloes growing friendship is obviously isnt taken well by marinette, but since marinette like adrien, this makes her actually acknowledge chloe and see that shes not as bad anymore as she had though, as a matter of fact shes acually not that bad. this will also effect marinettes character as well as adriens . later near or at the end of season zoe is in bad condition due to Vulpina (she is explained ahead) and ladybug and other heros are in dire need of help. Zoe is able to slip out of battle and finds chloe. Seeing the situation, chloe takes the miraculous and once again becomes queen bee and fights, also trying to avenge zoe from Vulpina and herself from hawkmoth for causing her so much emotional pain cuz of the miracle queen episode. She sneaks up on hawkmoth with venom, but he barely dodges it and it hits Mayora, and the fight continues. At that time, Lila too would have been developed more as a villian and she would also be in the fight helping hawkmoth, maybe she was akumatised. But i would like to imagine that she would have some miraculous Personally I prefer that hawkmoth would steal the fox miraculous from Alya for lila in the middle of season but alya wouldnt know who took it, and as we know lila is into the fox miraculous from Vulpina. the big reveal would come at the end of season where everyone will find out that lila is back as Vulpina. This time however, she will be using real fox miraculous and she could also have same design as in Vulpina though change of design could show development. However her name will still be the same marking the return of Vulpina. the episode could be called 'Old enemies' Chloe would face off Vulpina as queen bee. it would be fun to see 2 characters who were initially bad (lila and chloe) face off each other. this will show that lila and chloe cannot be compared as chloe isnt actually evil. this image of chloe if compared to her season 1 chloe, would be completely or hugely opposite showing that she has grown as a person and character. meanwhile, lila, also changed but opposite of chloe, she grew to be more and more evil and sickening. although lila would grow more evil, this will still mean that she HAS grown as a character. I would like to make Lila as villain for chloe rather than for ladybug and other heros, as lila and chloe were similar at 1st and now are opposite. ladybug and other heros have hawkmoth and mayora to take care of. and chloe can be a hero in this senario while lila, the villain. Meanwhile, now Alya is using a different miraculious, idk which one but once she realised that others are too hurt she decides that hercurrent miraculous cannot help them in the fight and now she runs to get a new miraculous to help her friends and team, she is least hurt so she is the best candidate to do something. She takes a miraculous that has the power of healing. She uses this to heal chat noir and Ladybug but not other heros as healing powers are limited. Prior to all this, ladybug had called that new guardian from that one episode to get his help to solve some questions about miraculouses and guardians. And he arrives to see all the disaster and naturally gets involved. Alya is healing the 2 heros but it takes time and the other heros are out of the fight as alya cannot help them, it is out of her limits. Now, Queen bee vs Vulpina and gaurdian vs Hawkmoth, while alya heals the 2 main back up. The 2 main are ready to fight again though they are still exhausted and alya used all her power trying to make sure their injuries are not fatal and also now that she knows marrinette is ladybug so she doesnt only see ladybug there but her best friend marrinette too in a very bad condition barely able to move. Alya gave all she could in healing and blacks out and is out of the fight. Vulpina and Queen bee's fight slips away from the others and they are now isolated and fighting each other going toe to toe. Queen bee struggles as it was months that she last used the miraculous and pollen is also tired from transforming Zoe which is affecting the amount of power the kwami able to give chloe. But the heros arnt the only one injured, hawkmoth has a bad arm because of chatnoir and mayora loses her miraculous to ladybug as she is paralyzed, which ladybug took advantage of. now here is where chatnoir sees natalie and realises that the enemy is in his own house, which thakes a mental toll at him from here on out tho hes not sure if his father is involved or not. Realising whats at stake, hawkmoth calls for retreat and picks up natalie and calls for vulpinas help being outnumbered. Vulpina runs in hawkmoths direction and chloe stands still catching her breath looking at Vulpina leave thinking that she needs more practice to defeat her and another round right now with vulpina will surely end in queen bees defeat. However Vulpina seeing the opportunity betrays hawkmoth, she trys to take his butterfly miraculous but underestimates the experienced holder. now, carrying the only partner he has in his own hands he struggles to retreast but finally finds way out and Vulpina too separates and retreates somewhere else from him now that her failed betrayal attempt showing clearly that shes no longer being his partner. The heros try to chase them but the guardian stops the heros saying that kwamis need a long rest to give the heros even a single more transformation and of gone ahead without rest the kwamis themselves will suffer fatal consequences. Queen Bee and Vulpina will have a round 2 at the end of the next season in which queen bee would show to be stronger than this time and win. Ending : Zoe suffers long term consequences from the fight and she is unable to fight anymore, perhaps make her legs paralised for a while. this will be one of the rare times when teh show actually shows some serious conequences of fights and actions that happen in the show. Chloe returns the miraculouis to zoe but she passes it on to chloe. Ladybug is unable to object seeing zoes condition, ladybug believes that zoe has the right to chose her and the bee miraculouses successor. chloe more or less becomes and anti hero she doesnt always show up to help ladybug but she doesnt use anything for bad either. She only uses it sometimes to help herself or sabrina/ her family/friends or other helpless pple when they are danger but she avoids other heros because she still doesnt think they like her and she isnt all that fond of most of them either. ik its never gonna happen cuz the writter just straight out called her a bad and mean person but i really liked how she was changing in s2 so im still gonna like her in this way. I also like how in this fanfiction also effects other characters and not just chloe, like they are all webed together. Now seeing the changed chloe, ladybug too beleives that Chloe is the best person to hold the bee miraculous. Zoe is just a replacement of chloe, even though writer said shes not, she is, but i still like her for who zoe is. chloe left a hole and he used zoe to try to fill it not understanding the only character that can fill that hole is chloe herself. and he wont bring chloe back because i think hes trying to annoy the chloe fans after he got backlash for how he ruined her character. so now he has to get a replacement for her. I can still see a lot of potential for both chloe and zoe and their relationship as sisters. I just dont understand why give chloe soo much character development and just waste her. But that’s all my opinion, no hate to the writer, its just my critique. And just to make it clear I do like zoe, and I would love her if she does something like what I wrote. you can add if you want and lemme know do you think writter did chloe justice by refusing to finish her arc or not. you are allowed to disagree with me.

Chloe has been groomed too hard by hawk moth. This is my theory

You know alot of people may not like chole cuz she can be very bratty manipulative and sometimes may take advantage of people but you have to remember all of that comes from somewhere she was not born evil she was pushed to the point where she is reaching her limits Chloe is being emotionally damaged and since nobody ever taught her how to express her feelings she's expressing them in a way that makes people resent her rather than understand and help her Chloe seems to be one of those people that have been heartbroken so many times that its push's them to a limit of hates and resentment maybe that's why she won't let people help her at this point she probably just doesn't trust people anymore she's probably tired of being hurt Chloe didn't get a good chance at life when it came to relationships with people she trusted

Honestly I would watch Chloe's film as well

Marinette Logic: Chloe can't become the Bee Miraculous because Hawk moth knows her real identity Also Marinette: Continues to loan out the other miraculous to heroes that Hawk moth already knows the identity of lol

Every time she said "Banana boom boom" I threw up in my mouth a little

I have no idea what's going to happen with Chloe now. I thought they hinted at the end of the episode that a redemption arc for Chloe wasn't out of the question yet. Her sister still loves her, Tikki was still hopeful Chloe could be a better person after she couldn't be akumatized anymore. I also can't help but wonder if Thomas Astruc is really as stupid as he acts on Twitter. He also said that we could never have an episode that focused on Adrien because the leader is a girl. Then we got the 'Lies' episode. So I guess we can believe everything Astruc says on Twitter. That said, I have no idea how a redemption arc would happen for Chloe at this point. When she was a superhero I thought she would eventually realize she like doing the right thing when she keeps getting rewarded for doing the right thing. Now I don't know what nice thing she could possibly do in the first place to make her look at things differently. I'm just confused. But I'll keep watching.

As much as I like Zoe (definitely more than Chloe at this point), I feel like they could’ve been just 1 character. Chloe could’ve taken on Zoe’s good qualities after having been redeemed. It makes more sense in my opinion, but oh well this show’s writers are trash.

I recently read somewhere that Chloe was going to have a new redemption, I hope that's true. Zoe for me is too forced a character: too good, pretty, sensitive and without any flaws .... I find her really hateful.

Zoe might be a better person but she is not a better character

Would you like to develop a character that is slowly going to be a nice character and getting a lot of likes, attention, and spotlight or would you like to LITERALLY REPLACE IT WITH A PERSON YOU WOULD WANT THE VIEWERS TO GET THE ATTENTION ON THE BEE MIRACULOUS HOLDER? Thomas Astruc's tweet post made me even madder that he said that "Rude people cannot get a Miraculous." and Chloe was developing a character, she tried to be nice when throwing an apology party! She has feelings, backstory, her own background, her reason for everything, and the reason to be the Bee Miraculous Holder unlike the OTHER characters that had no emotion when gifted the holder, do you see how only Chloe from all the Miraculous holder broke the curse of the Akumatization? That's what I called the Importance of the character.

chloe beyond saving zoe appear for 2 eps and everyone like her

I really hate this episode because Chloe continued to act like a spoil selfish brat and she still won't acknowledge her behavious especially now that she turn her back on Adrien. I still don't understand why she really hated Zoey so much because she haven't done anything wrong at all and maybe it's jealousy as Zoey succed what she failed to do in the entire Miraculous Ladybug Series and that's making friends. I think Mayor André Bourgeois should stand up to both his wife and Chloe because they're controling his own lives and surely he's getting tired and fed up with Chloe's behaviour by now instead of being scared of his own daughter..

I didn't hate this episode as much as other people just because imo the scenes between Chloe and Zoe could be a good starting point for development, eve though I know it's not going to happen at this point

There are those characters you hate so much even more than the main villain like umbridge and Lila but not chloe!

It's sad that the Creator's decide to replace Chloe with a different character instead of sticking with the Redemption Arc and changing her for the butter

This episode makes all of the previous season's worth of development for Chloe pointless, especially when she's acting more ridiculous than when the series started. Zoe is such a lame 'woe is me' character that the show trying to force us to like her makes me dislike her more because I know her mere existence comes from a place of spite and the creator's lack of consistency. If he wanted a character like Chloe to serve as a constant irrational thorn, them don't trick your audience into siding with her and giving them reason to like her, only to act like it was OUR fault for doing what audiences do; get invested in the story and character.

Personal head-canon, Zoé doesn’t exist and the character is just Chloé’s new “redeemed” outfit, showing she is trying to change and has quite literally let her hair down, also Vesperia is just a clever way to hide her identity by tricking Hawkmoth into thinking there is a new bee miraculous holder. Also Sole Crusher and Queen Banana aren’t canon.

I liked Chloe because she added some flavour to a class room full of vanilla’s. I liked Chloe a lot more after season two in that season she had depths and a story. I still cling on to my little speck of hope that Chloe could be redeemed but that’s probably not going to happen since the creator hates his own 15 year old fictional character for some reason. I want to like Zoe I really do but she is just like every other character in there class room just plain old vanilla .

Unpopular opinion : Chloe has REALLY been developed as a character and KEEPS this development. We see her being jealous for lack of love, we se her cry because she sees that people hate her, being disappointed because Ladybug did not call her against Loveater But this is the point. Chloé DID NOT UNDERSTAND why people hate her. The problem with her is not being useless as she thinks is Malediktor, it is being arrogant and dishonest. If you are a fair person and feel useless, giving you means like power can fix things. If you give anything for granted, once got some power you will do of it whatever you want. Chloé loves being Queen Bee, to be with her idol and feel loved, and stopped an Akuma saying "I am a superhero". But Chloe spent all her life in believing genuinely that rich and powerful people like her family are everything and anyone else is rubbish and deserves to be humiliated. She did it for being the Mayor's daughter and for being Queen Bee she treated Sabrina as the "slave" could not understand her, and called vulgar the other heroes. And once not called by Ladybug she did not discuss with Ladybug in a civil way : she sold all the heroes to the enemy to have the Comb and all the jewels. And was not remorseful Her development was not thrown away: it is consistent with the idea she believes in, according to which some people deserve everything and other count nothing

Chloe will be back and will get akumatized again. She is bound to figure out that charm didn't come from her mother. All she needs to hear from her is, where did you get that? Chloe did charge in and made things in her image but she was making the story better the only reason Chloe's story got snubed is because Marinette and her friends have too small and pathetic of an imagination. Chloe was being the real genius. I mean, what's not to love about a dynamite throwing Gorilla? It says on the Kreatika fandom page proves that Chloe was snubed just because of her ideas. Before the movie was filmed, it was meant to feature Chloe Bourgeois but the rest of team didn't want to listen to Chloe's ideas, and therefore went on with the original script and story. The only reason Andre wants Zoe around is because he's too busy playing favorites when he see's Zoe he see's himself and the child he always wanted which is wrong picking favorites splits families apart.

1:29 I’d say that one of the character designers was eating a banana at break time and then thought about making a banana themed villain. What a gigachad 😂

Lmao don't blame chloe y'all blame thomas he wants us to hate her 😭😭

Let’s be honest, the writing is going downhill so fast for several reasons: Marinette is becoming more and more obsessed with Adrien as time goes on. It’s like she’s developing backwards. While Marinette seems like she’s developing backwards, the writers love to show us how much Chloe herself is developing backwards. Zoe. There are no more words needed. Zoe is just a product of bad writing. Period. The fact that there are about 20 miraculouses in the show now, like, tf?? Instead of actually focusing on important aspects of the show that would’ve been interesting, we just got these uninteresting, bland miraculouses that are just being handed out like candy to everyone in Marinette’s class so the character designers don’t get bored. Why does everyone need a miraculous? Why do we need to focus on that when we could be focusing on a much more interesting Chloe redemption arc? Or an Adrien-centered episode?

The problem with Chloe is that she thinks the world runs around her which is why she thinks is she can do what ever she wants especially with her dad not saying no to her demands. This episode really shows how much self-destructive she is being with her breaking her friendship with Adrien and pushing everyone around her. It might affect Sabrina eventually

This episode only reminds me of how badly they wrote her character. Shouldn’t have written her a character arc if you didn’t want her to become a better person and instead a 2D bullie. Plus We get more Cat Nior abuse Zoe could be an interesting character but it seems more like they are using her as a Cloe ripoff, but nice

Chole had the better oufint then zoe

I love the episode but I don't like Zoe's suit and it doesn't look like a bee it looks like a wasp

what got me most was the skype call part since he technically did not hang up and in my head it was... gabe just casually transforms into shadow moth and starts monologuing while all in movie theater still on the skype call be like: O_o!? da fuq!?

Also I hate Zoe's voice

It's just dumb because Astruc hates Chloe so he decided to throw away any chance she had at redemption. She could have had some kind of character development past being the bully but her first outing as a Miraculous Hero she literally tried to crash a train. Like why can't we make Lila the ACTUAL nonredeemable villain and Chloe get some kind of redemption? At this point the fanfic writers do a much better job handling these characters than the show does

Seriously though, Queen Banana was pretty hilarious. I loved "Banana Boom-Boom."

Sorry but you are 100% wrong. Chloé is going to get a redemption arc and I have proof of that. In guilttrip at the end Rose is joking around with most of the class except for Chloé and Lila.( because it was revealed Rose has a sickness) this happens: Chloé: Hey! Whenever I do that no one laughs! Adrien: Because when you do that it’s always serious. Chloé: that’s true. Humpf! Rose: never ever change. So something happens between the end of episodes 8 and the start of episode 11. Chloé has to be brought to the absolute breaking point. In either episode 9 or 10 she’s going to lose Sabrina completely. And due to the charm Hawkmoth won’t be able to interfere. This will force Chloé to have a reflection on herself. After all if you want to change someone you need to take away their foundation. Class representative check! Her idol ladybug( miracle Queen) check. Adrien a childhood friend check! Her father CHECK! Sabrina last one standing. Watch for Sabrina’s betrayal to Chloé it’s going to harsh.

Really wish that the creators would have given Chloe much bigger role than just being a villain cuz no one is born evil there must be a reason of why she's so mean

Shadow Moth should create a Akumatized villain with the ability to turn anyone who get hit by them back into a baby again! Then Shadow Moth can take Ladybug's Miraculous after the villain turns her back into a baby and it's like stealing candy from babies like you happened to say!

Honestly Vesperia’s costume looks like a wasp not to be

Chloe deserve better and thomas needs to take cristiscm like for real. Zoe is nothing really seems like one of the blandest character ever made. Chloe deserve justice!!

Zoe exists so they don't have to redeem Chloe, and so they can show WHY Chloe will never be redeemed. I wish they'd just given Zoe a different personality. Something more in line with Kagami than Marinette, but if Kagami was more of a people person but also a little meaner. Strict and desperate to prove herself, a little mean but it's clear it's a defense mechanism as she always looks sad or surprised when her words hurt, better at communicating her positive emotions than Kagami is but like Kagami, has difficulty standing up to her family. Basically make her what Chloe might've been if Astruc didn't loathe her. I think something that really bothers me is how Chloe knows nobody likes her, nor does anyone fear her. Everyone hates her and she has no friends, nor is anyone remotely threatened by her. Which makes her absolutely fail as a "mean girl", because the "mean girl" in every other media is either popular despite it because she's pretty and good at something people like, or is greatly feared. Chloe has none of that- her character design is actually kind of uncanny for the most part imo, so I can't even say she's got the "pretty" thing down all the time. The only "mean girl" trope she has going for her is she's rich and a daddy's girl which are always related things. I want Chloe to be redeemed so badly. Show little kids that mean classmates CAN change.

no no no no no lila is ten times worse then chloe

They made Zoe so they can throw Chloe's redemption in the trash can. And there's nothing interesting about Zoe, she's just... nice... too nice, but Chloe's not in the first place and she TRIED and LEARN to be nice. Everyone loves nice people and just easily accepts Zoe. Meanwhile, Marinette who just knew her for 2 days, gave her the Bee Miraculous, she's giving miraculous away like candy.

It would make sense for Gabriel to have a green screen of different things why he actually in his lair I mean I would do that if I was a villain.

This episode was just a fever dream... Like, it was so random and basically only exists to (once again) make Chloe even more of a jerk than she already is.

I don’t understand how Thomas can hate a character he made? 😂

Ladybug should give both Luka and also Kagami a Lucky Charm as neither one of them could become Akumatized by Shadow Moth again during this Season or next new Season of Miraculous Ladybug and Cat Noir!

‘I actually think I prefer Lila at this point.’ That’s saying a lot.

I think someone just was eating a banana while they were brainstorming what kind of villain should they do next

9:03 "Cat Noir has the worst luck I swear" Yes, exactly. Don't you get it? Ladybugs are a symbol of good luck, while black cats are a symbol of bad luck. It's intended. It's also why Cat Noir gets hypnotized/captured by villains that can do that so often while it almost never happens to Ladybug. At least, that's my interpretation on why Cat Noir gets constantly screwed over. Also at 9:26 I personally feel the opposite. Yes, having her almost lose but then just barely not seems like plot armor especially since you know she isn't gonna lose, however if they didn't do so, then she would seem like a Mary Sue, someone that never gets captured, unlike Cat Noir, and she always wins without effort. I feel like it's one or the other, and having her get captured and then saved by Cat Noir gives Cat Noir some more screen time/appreciation, so I definitely prefer this.

Who do you think plays the Daddy card better, Draco Malfoy or Chloe?

the reason why Sabrina gives chloe a banana its logical irl. bananas can calm a person and give them a relaxation mood. if you don't believe me then go search on the internet and you'll find your answer

Chloe is my favorite character Zoe just feels like a Chloe knock off that the writers are trying to hype up as the new in improved Chloe just to make Chloe look like garbage honestly in my mind if they didn’t want to do the redemption in the beginning and they were planning on ruining it anyway they shouldn’t have done it waste of a season and waste of my time before season two Chloe was a two dimensional character season two gave her so much perspective and she was definitely a fan favorite and then season three comes along and decides to make her the final boss great job Thomas

Frankly this episode rly sheds some light on how Chloe was actually beyond saving, with the banana theme and all implying that she's gone bananas and she's too far gone to even change for the better

Personally, I don't mind the last second saves in Ladybug's fights as far as these more minor are concerned. At least, not when the last second save comes from Cat Noir. I like having that reminder that even though Ladybug is the one churning out the big plans, and the one fixing things up with her magic ladybugs, she would not be able to succeed without him there.

"A famous film director." Famous in the same way as Michael Bay, M. Night Shyamalan, Ed Wood, Raja Gosnell, and Uwe Boll, maybe.

I'm completely done the whole thing to give Zoe the Bee charm it's so fucking wrong and I don't care for this show anymore.

How absurd Ladybug's plan was? Pouring glue into Queen Banana's holster... there was no reason for her to put her "gun" away yet, after shooting at Vesperia... she still had to fight LB and CN...

Based on the comments and considering the end of S4. You guys...do realize Zoe was made up SOLELY to make the record clear that there is no hope for Chloe. She's done. Astrc wants her to be evil and fuck you for thinking his writing is shite. The guy even self inserts himself into this episode. Zoe was made simultaneously be a new target for Chloe's insane troll logic and to take Bee Miraculous and pad out the heroes. And lo and behold what of Zoe's character after Queen Banana? Nothing. No more important episodes. And this is despite her connection with Marinette which seems to be deeper than any character not named Alya or Adrien. She's literally just as important as Mylene's BF or those two idiots who draw French manga. i.e. not at all.

Yeah there were many moments where hawkmoth could have at least partially succeeded... Like in MegaLeech... He LITERALLY had control over Cat Noir, could have had the Mini-Maladictator controlling him take OFF the ring.. BAM reveals identity of at least ONE of the heroes.

Who thinks that Chloe needs discipline from her parents? Her mother should love her, not neglect her and become a better person but her father should set rules and punish her for such misbehaviour. She deserves a solid grounding for a good few weeks and needs therapy! Come on, parent, don't just let your kid walk all over you and beat up her sister! Support your stepdaughter and discipline that brat, she needs to be out in her place and know that her father is a figure of authority, not someone to just fulfill her every bratty demand! Who agrees Chloe needs discipline and yet, Zoe needs more love and freedom and is the better sister?

Something about Gabriel himself funding the film was extremely satisfying. Like most adults in the show bend easily to the Bourgeois whims and then there is Gabriel, whose presence just screams "this is happening and nothing is stopping it"

Zoé seems like an excuse to kick Clhoé out, like "you wanted a nice queen bee? Here, leave us alone now"