I do actually. Lol it's painful to rebuild 64 buttons, and 6 axis.... my friend Ron found that tidbit and it changed my update strategy. I've shared it frequently since learning it. So glad the video helped.
Thanks for the kind feedback. I appreciate it. Glad I could be of help. I'm recording an updated version as 3.23.x has changed keybinds alot. Personal life needs have been delaying it.
Great video, I hate setting this up with a passion! My biggest issue is finding the best key to use for something and worse is remembering what I set to do what.
There's a utility called Joystick Diagrams that I used to create images showing button mappings. It supports VKB Space Combat Edition after you rename the related files to match. Finding the right button... oof, I've gone back and forth for awhile. Combat related seems to work better on the right stick hats for me being right handed. Request landing, map toggle, etc I bind to the bases. Download the linked keybind files and review the diagrams for inspiration.
I am the worst combat pilot in SC. My only kill was to tackle my enemy to spin and crash. With this guide i be in better control of my ship. No more trade runs for a while. My second stick Thrustm 1600 arriving today and borrowing Thrustm 1600 w throttle and pedals will be my way of reducing keyboard keys and have fun. I am going to use your setup as base for my flying experience.
Excellent thankyou. I added salvage (L A4 hat), cycle target locking (R a4 hat), mouse mode (mouse mode on a hat in vkb settings), sw1's for cruise control and speed limiter, missile/bombs (R c1 hat), master mode (L D1)l, weapon modes R D3 and flight modes L D3
The amount of people that use yaw on the X axis rather than on the twist on right stick or rudder pedals is mind blowing to me. I would suggest getting the omni throttle adapter for left stick if you are using VKB gladiators. Makes the twist for up and down more intuitive at least in my mind.
Well I like it that way. :-) The good thing about options, is that they're options. Do you need some assistance setting yaw they way you want? Have a vkb throttle on left side of my left stick so got that covered.
@@PaganLinuxGeek That is the beauty of it, there are crazy amount of options to fill everyones needs. Just didnt know I was in the minority lol. I was seeing what other people are doing. I have VKB sticks, with the left being an omni, virpil pedals and throttle. I was debating about how to incorporate my throttle but not sure what to use it for.
@chadley792 I've bound speed limiter to the major axis. Mining power to the smaller throw. I'm deciding how to map the various modes to the turn knobs. Most are easy enough (mining/salvage/towing, quantum, scanning). Might have to bind a quick.doubke tap of B to the last position for "normal".mode. The remaining buttons are.awesome for doors, ports, landing gear, configuration toggle. I'm using the WWII throttle. Which are you using?
@@PaganLinuxGeek MongoosT-50CM3 I was thinking about using it for a speed limiter but I also want to try to fly decoupled most of the time so that would be null and void. Not sure how the upcoming master modes are going to change everything though. I haven't tried it out yet
Today is my first day playing star citizen (well arena commander racing) and I used this video to set up my gladiator evo next premium stick (right hand) and omni throttle (left hand), I initially set up my right hand stick to roll on x and yaw on twist. I quickly changed it back to the default, yaw on x and roll on twist (but i inverted the twist direction) because Rolling and pitching did not fly like I was expecting (at least not near the ground), it did set the pinky button to swap roll and yaw (as that might work better in space). Maybe if I could decrease the sensitivity of the x axis for roll it might fly more like I was thinking. Btw I swap out the #20 springs in the right stick for #10 springs.... I think #15 springs might be about right for me, may have to order those.
Timely video. I'm back in for 3.20 after being away for a few months and need to re-bind some things. Always interesting to see how other people do it. I can never get used to roll on the right twist, I always use that for yaw. Thank you for explaining the difference between abs and rel, I had no idea what they meant.
Yeah set it up the way that works for you. I've heard flight Sim geeks prefer left and right for roll as it's how aircraft behave in atmosphere. Perhaps try that?
@@PaganLinuxGeek Yep, that's how I prefer and I've been playing flight sims for a long time. Will check out your keybinds and the Joystick Diagrams app to help me remember where everything is mapped
@retrotubedotnet excellent if memory serves; I had to rename the left and right image template names to match my sticks name as shown in the keybinds file.
Very good video. I touched saturation options while trying to adjust sensitivity, and now it's always strafing left and aiming left only even if I aim or strafe right. Edit: I deleted the user folder and rebinded keys. Everything perfect.
Thank you for this. I stopped playing SC 2 years ago because of my X56 giving ghost inputs and I threw it against a wall. I'm ordering VKB sticks and this guide really helps.
I did end up getting the VKB NXT combo with Omni throttle. I also got the STECS and add-on panel (MAX I think) and couldn't be happier. I'm getting used to the HOSAS but still use the throttle for acceleration and cruise control. The resolution and feel of these things is amazing. I have the clutches set just to the point where they almost don't center and feel amazing. Weakest springs in right stick, stock springs in the OT. I did similar mappings to yours, except I want roll on my X axis and yaw on my Z twist. (right hand) Left hand is translate with twist being up/down. Really wonderful entry into high-end sticks. Just having an issue with the Quantum drive engagement, where I can activate the drive but not engage because of the mandatory (hold) function that can't be changed. None of the buttons on the STECS will hold long enough to engage. I'm sure I need to play around with the software but otherwise super happy with it.
I haven't dug deep onbth3 stecs button setup yet but it might be set as a momentary (fast signal then none) which would make engaging quantum a bit tricky as you press and hold. I use one of the buttons on the base of Mt left stick now and it works OK. That profile attached to the video (linked in description) has it bound to left stick hat left.
The only thing I may add is to speak about Joystick Gremlin which can turn a number of controls (e.g. joystick, throttle, pedals, gamepad) into a single, virtual joystick so that SC only sees one device. That eliminates a lot of the confusion about control numbers. It is a godsend for me.
Good guide but i highly recommend subliminals maps for VKB's. Only minor changes are needed to suit your style, just dont forget to rename and extract when you're done.
Thank yo so much for doing this...I started on your original video and when I went back to the game recently none of my joystick setup work and it really fraked me out. So glad I saved the original video which the lead me here!
Yeah they made some keybind changes that made the old break. I'm glad I could help you, twice even! Thanks for the comment it really helps the video get shown to more people.
Really love that you took the time to do this. Been playing sims (and star citizen) for years, with quite a few diffrent setups but mainly used Thrustjunker T16000M HOTAS for years now. ABout 4 sets of them in 10 eyars because they're such garbage. When the inevitable potentiometer went bad the most recent time I manually upgraded it to a hall sensor. But it also needs redone every couple months so long story short I just ordered VKB's and was dreading having to go through the word soup that is Star Citizen's keybinds. Your bit on absolute and stuff extremely helped. SO thanks. Also, what kind of freak yaws with left to right XD. I'm kidding, I know some people do that. I can't. It doesn't make sense in my brain. Z-roation is like a steering wheel which turns left and right. IDK. lol.
Thank you so much for the video, I've been dreading redoing my VirPil HOSAS + Pedals because I couldn't figure out what was what with all the changes and this helped a ton! Appreciate you and subscribed!
Thanx. I have a x52 pro which I use on older pc but on my new rig I have warthog set up with ch pedals, cougar mfd's, 2 game glass tablets, tobi eye. Even with all those input options it's still difficult to make sure I have the most important functions selected. One thing that makes it easier is to find out which one is which and write it down. pedals=(input 3), throttle =(input 1) for example.
I try to keep the controls I use frequently,.or used in the midst of combat on the hats to minimize.hand travel. Infrequent binds, I typically place on the joystick bases, or on the button box portion of the throttle. Landing gear, VTOL, wing configuration, atc,.door and ports are prime candidates. That's my way, but each has to map according to what works best for them.
In the linked zip file are my keybinds, and 2 vector images (open with edge if you don't have a preferred vector raster) with the keybinds shown. They were created with joystick-diagrams program. Basically the right stick is nose control (pitch, roll, yaw), targeting, countermeasures, etc. The left stick is navigation, doors, landing gear, vtol, lights, freelook, etc.
I noticed something about the Cruise Control : before you could enable/disable it anytime, but now your left joystick (the one that controls the forward/backward strafing etc) has to be centered if you want the button to be clickable. If you're strafing forward the button won't work. It's not a big deal, but it's not very practical to have to stop to change modes (I do it very often 😅).
I played around with this more. If I leave the left stick (throttle forward/backward) untouched and at Centerpoint, I can enable cruise control and it locks to the speed limiter. I control speed limiter on throttle box. Moving the left stick disengaes cruise control. I thought it a bug until reading the post in spectrum I linked in a text post here. Seems the cruise control is going away at some point. They intend to utilize trim instead. I posted a video about setting and using it today. I apologize for the delay in response. I prefer to have a good understanding before commenting or informing, and some family medical issues as of late took my attentions. After using the throttle trim a bit I'm digging it. Will take some repeated use before it becomes.habit.
@@PaganLinuxGeek what button do you have your quantum start mapped to? Mine doesn't seem to be turning on, even tho I mapped it to quantum start. Appreciate all the help :) without it I'd still be stranded in space trying to figure my settings lol
The same button (left stick, middle hat, left < ) is used for both. Short press to enter qt mode, and a long press (3+ seconds) to engage qt. Th3 default keyboard map is short press B to engage qt mode, and long press to actually jump.
And a few other keybind breaking changes too. Sometimes I feel like Yogi does it on purpose. :-/ I'm planning to record an updated video this weekend. I want to spend a moment explaining some tips for the master mode toggle and Q jump as you cam bind.both to the same button with varying press durations. Short press to toggle mode, and long press to engage jump. The inversion name escapes me at the moment but I recall it was I'm controls - flight movement - forward /backward
Everything works except my right joystick movement. I can fire my guns, switch to missiles, etc but I can not bind the NXT EVO Right joystick to pitch, yaw, roll, etc The VKB software detects and can calibrate both joysticks - just SC not wanting to bind the movements...
Sub earned great vid. I am trying to figure out how to setup my throttle so it is either is reverse mode or drive like a gear in a car so i can have more length of travel for more precision
There is a throttle forward axis binding option. If you do that then I'd urge you to bind a key for toggling forward reverse a couple lines underneath it if memory serves. Doing this means throttle all the way back is 0, and full forward is 100%. Pressing button means ship moves backwards.
did this same method and i still cannot move backward, when the stick is in the center position it gives half throttle and when i move it back the ship stops no reverse
There's a keybind needed for reverse. It's a button that when held .makes the ship move backward. I forget the name but it's right there close to throttle forward (abs) in flight movement section.
Have you ever used the left VKB throttle style stick. I got a good deal on some barely used ones but they’re coming with the left stick being the throttle style. I wonder about buying the attachment from VKB to convert it from HOTAS style to HOSAS style
I've not personally but have heard great things. @scarredcitizen uses one if I recall correctly as well as severally others I see from.time to time. Most love that it makes the vertical strafe more natural. I'd suggest trying it a bit before making changes. Might be good fit. :-) Thanks for watching and commenting!
I have omni directional l throttle. So my right side is perfect with pitch, roll, yaw etc. No issies there. So im having big issies hetting throttle to work right. The speedblomited is screwing me. Ive tried to tweak and turn it off but then throttle doesnt work what so ever. No idea what to tweak in settinge for this throttle
I don't understand. The throttle doesn't work, or the speed limiter doesnt? I'd suggest rebinding the throttle (abs), and leaving the speed limiter unset to test.
the z axis on my left stick doesnt work. i have vkb gladiator nxt premiums. the left stick works for all other controlls but it will not let me bind Z for strafe up and down
Does it work when using vkb configuration? If not then hit the vkb discord. They are awesome in there. If configuration utilities show movement then it's not bound in SC. Follow the video again from the start. Use (abs) binds when opted.
if you have the extension that gets added to the VKB joystick, you know that adds dials and switches, does that become part of the stick it is attached to?
Already wrote the script.:-) had been planning to record the video over last weekend but had to do something around the house. I'm reviewing the PTU as there's more keybind changes there as well. Im glad I could help with 3.22!
Sounds like your freelook might be bound to the same control as forward/backward movement. Reset controls to defaults as shown in the beginning of the video.
I dont know why people set twist to roll ... if the stick is to be the neck, when i pull pack i go up.. if i push forward i go down --- twisting the neck of the stick should yaw
So i'm trying to add my virpil alpha primes on mongoose stick bases.. they're not listed on the list of joystick/hotas...... I can't double click to edit the bindings at all..... help??? brand new sticks, and i've never used sticks b4
Launch windows settings (looks like a gear or cog) and search for joystick. It should show the game controller application. Run that. It will list the controllers windows sees. If the virprils dp not show in the list you'll need to verify they are connected properly, calibrated, and any needed utilities are running. If not you need to contact virpril support or a buddy running them. I wish I could help but do not have any personal experience with virpril products to draw upon. Now that we have that out of the way: you setup joysticks with a hierarchical tree in Star Citizen. Follow along with the video at its start. Particularly in the lower right and lower left corners. As this gets you into the joystick bindings and out of the keyboard mouse bindings section.
im on 3.21 and i followed you intrustions to the t 3 times and i still cant get the left stick to nose down or up on the y axis if someone can help me ill love you long time
Ok. So first hurdle. Switch to joystick settings. Can unbind pitch/yaw, but cant set with joysticks. With mouse, you double click to bind, and if i change back to mouse/keyboard settings i can do this. But on joystick settings, double clicking mouse button does not enable the input recognition.
Close SC and open the joystick applet in windows settings. Make sure the sticks are both working. Open SC and try it again. I've noticed that SC won't see a stick if it's plugged in after SC starts up
Oh wow. I am planning an updated version of this video as the keybinds have changes in 3.23 (reportedly) and intend to include a troubleshooting section for the common questions. I'd welcome more information about the steps you took to get them working in shadow pc. If you don't mind providing them. I'd provide a credit and special thanks for your assistance. My goal to maintain a quick guide for other SC players. o7
@PaganLinuxGeek for sure. It's quite simple really. I had only used a controller for other games on my shadow before, and that was basically plug and play. Just picked up dual T16000m's, and it was a bit weird as when I plugged them into my laptop they recognised as T16000m's and programmes like joytokey would register inputs, but in SC it wouldn't let me change bindings. USB forwarding is a relatively new thing on shadow I think and I had never had to do it before. To enable, while I was in my shadow, I opened the quick menu (alt+win+o), go to 'controllers and usb', and select both sticks under the USB forwarding settings, and voila! Means the shadow recognises them as if they were physically connected.
Ahhh so it's just passing those HIDs over the link to the remote machine. Thanks for that info! Would you mind grabbing a screenshot of the window where you enable for the update? My email is pagan [dot] Harold [at] Gmail [dot] com
HOSAM for me. Love having a left stick with angle attachment. Excellent console tip. Is there a reference to those commands? Floppy disk lol. I remember those days
Hey Chase! Good to see ya! I'm not aware of a comprehensive console command reference. Some are well known. We're also seen some new ones with the gen12 renderer implementation. Pp_swapdevices joystick # # is a simple flipper to exchange the bindings. You can do the same using a text editor on the xml file if you enjoy that sort of thing. I'm also aware of r_displayinfo [0-3] to show more information about the display such as framerate, memory usage, etc. Also there is r_displaysessioninfo [0-1] to show the session qr code. Handy for bug reports!
Hey Ive noticed that the current PU LIVE patch 3.22.1 detects my L-stick as it’s first joystick and any keybind from that stick can be bound as a double tap by pressing ‘Y’. However every other controller like the R-stick or other button panels wont allow for double tap and when their keys are bound. Those include all key binds labeled as “button ‘#’ (input #)”. Please share if you have a solution to this. I Have a full VKB setup with dual Gladiator NXT EVO’s and T-rudder Mk. V with SEM THQ and FSM modules. Great video as well! The control swap console command helped so much 👍
I would only use it if absolutely needed. Less stuff running on the system, and managing joysticks is better IMHO. Have a friend that has to use it for pedals as SC doesn't allow mapping them as needed. Trust me he'd love the option of dumping it. I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly: the PTU is allowing ONLY your left stick to have 2 functions for every button if you hold the Y key down?
Where can I get these? I have the warthog and I'm looking to get dual and these look very affordable so could you please send me the link where I can get the dual the left and the right because Amazon only seems to have the right one. And thanks awesome video
www.vkbcontrollers.com assuming your in North America. The models featured in video are the Space Combat Edition EVO Premium left and right. The premium adds an analog mini-stick on the upper section and 5 way hat on the handle in place of a simple button..IMHO worth the extra 20-30..
I just received my dual VKBs but as I was setting them up while following the video, the game doesn't recognize certain buttons on just my right joystick. On the left one everything registers, but for example Pitch and Yaw work but when I rotate the stick for Roll the timer just runs out. Same thing for Weapons group one when I pull the trigger.
Thank u very much. I have a Problem and I hope you can help me. I use the t16000 and my Cruise mode is set on a Button. My issue is, that every time I move my left stick backwards (to get slower during a fight) it also turns off my cruise control . I want my cruise control to react only to the button, not the stick. I hope someone can help me fix that problem. Thank u very much
It's going bubye. After reading a response from Yogi (CIG Dev) regarding it, I've bene trying to adjust to setting a throttle trim. In the keybinds, flight movement section is an option for throttle trim. After binding the SET THROTTLE TRIM to a button, you can press and the craft will attempt to hold that speed. This allows you to briefly speed up, or slow down, and the craft resumes the set speed after your adjustments. I have a video about it here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zLWbM94epHg.html
something has changed for me idk when i move my left stick my head moves around now not the ship. i even reset the keybinding but still have the issues. please help
This sounds like you're in freelook mode. I'm at work and can't get into SC to tell you the keybind. It used to be z. Try pressing that to see if it toggles freelook.
great video. is there any way to set it so when you make a new binding, it deletes the old one? i copied your missile operator mode to the hat on my right joystick, which was by default set to strafe. but now it just has both, so when i activate, add or remove missile, or change missile type i also strafe in each direction. dont think its a big deal its only a quick press
Sadly no, it warns you that it's also used for ____ but doesn't offer option to remove previous mapped binding. If you have trouble locating the other bindings and dont mind starting over, you can reset to defaults. I show this in the start of video. Also If you are running VKB Space Combat Edition premiums you can toggle between ministick and hat mode by pressing IN on the hat/ministick. The LED will show RED in alt mode. That allows you to map analogue strafing to the ministick and other actions to the hat mode. :-)
In options menu hit controls up top. Then use lower right arrow to change over to the joystick number corresponding to your roll axis binding. In the list select inversion. Flight. Then select roll and change no to yes. If you aren't sure which device number it is, open your bindings menu and look at roll binding. Device 2 would say (2). No device nunber means it was the first.
I forgot to mention that the updated video is up now. It covers 3.23 and mastermodes. I'd urge you to give that one a watch it's even shorter than this one :-)
If you have the extension that gets added to the joy stick, you know that adds dials and switches does that become part of the stick it is attached to?
Yes. It changes the "name" it reports in the device configuration utility too. A friend of mine @moonraker113 has the sem installed and reports that it appears are 1 device when using the link cable plugged into each device JST connector. If you connect with a usb cable it's a separate device.
