r/MaliciousCompliance - Karen Neighbor Makes Me MOVE MY FENCE! I STEAL HER LAND! 

I once had a new neighbor try to tell me that the shed where we stored our lawn mower was on their land and therefore belonged to them. My family had owned the house (and land) since it was built. We agreed that they could have it if they got a licensed surveyor to support their claim. Surveyor said, "Actually, their driveway was on our land." We already knew that. Dad had granted the easement to the previous (original) owner 40 years earlier, when the other house was built.

First story. Reminds me of a story my dad told me.. When he had gotten his first car, he was driving in a neighborhood and something fell in the floorboard, and he looked down at it and accidentally hit a parked car that was on the side of the road in front of a house. Dad was young, and figured he was in the wrong and didn't want a mark against his driving record, so he offered to pay the owner the money to repair the car. But the owner was having none of it, so dad called my grandfather, and he came down and told the man, "My son offered to pay for the damage. Why do you want to call the police and get a mark against his driving record?" But the owner insisted, so they called the police, who ticketed the man that owned the car for the car being parked on the wrong side of the road due to the direction it was facing, and the man had to pay for my dad's repairs. Lesson, don't be a bh.

Story 5 - A moment of silence for the innocent tree that was cut down.

If you are doing something with your Land and someone claims you're infringing on their land, your only response should be "Prove that with an Official Report from a Licensed Surveyor or screw off!" and continue with what you were doing until and unless they can provide the requested Proof...

Story 4: Anne was willing to pay a lawyer, but not put up her own fence?

When I was a kid, my parents built a big garage. It was the footprint of a small bungalow. They put it 3 feet from the property line so that they could get behind it to do any repairs. The neighbor had a fit bc it blocked the sun. Too bad. He worked at juvenile hall, and threatened to use his connections to have us move it. My parents told him that since we built it correctly, paperwork and all, we'd sue him and have his ass fired if he did anything. That shut him up. His daughter ended up being a lawyer. She takes on a lot of AHs who threaten their neighbors.

Rule of thumb when it comes to these kinds of property agreements: put it in writing. Handshake deals are great as friends... but at some point someone else will get control of one of the properties. If you have it in writing, it's a lot harder for people to dispute.

My sister inherited our mom's house. In that neighborhood, it was a house, driveway, house, driveway...all the way down the street. There was a 3' strip of grass between the house and the neighbor's. Over the years, our back garden (i had a black thumb, so I never touched the garden, as I could kill plastic flowers) had sort of spread, with my sister planting flowers, etc, right up to the neighbor's drive, which I knew were encroaching on their space which I told my sister, but she ignored me. Now these were really nice people, so when they told my sister that they wanted to Plant tomatoes and such on the patch next to their driveway, my sister insisted it was HER property. They didn't argue, but called our city to have a surveyor come out. No charge - they provide such services for free. I was tickled ( I'm a b***h, I know) when the surveyor sunk pegs that showed my sister was over the property line by over THREE FEET. She's an unmedicated bipolar person who claims there is nothing wrong with her - it's the rest of the world that's crazy. Seriously. So when I tell you lost the plot (pun intended), I'm not kidding. She was flinging wild accusations of bribery, claiming the surveyor was lying, didn't know what he was doing, etc. She was, quite literally SCREAMING and raging so loudly that I could easily hear her in the house. When all was said and done, she spent a week moving her plants. Plus she never spoke to the neighbors again.

cutting trees is totally the entire neighborhood's business. large trees can have roots that are attached to the foundations and cutting them off will eventually cause the roots to rot and may break the integrity of the houses and streets. if the neighborhood is on a hill it could weaken the land and cause a landslide.

My friend moved to Montana years ago. His step mom inherited land from her parents and eventually a neighbor became a pain. Just complaining about anything and everything. 1 day he decided to argue about fencing. He had a “ friend “ check the property line. Got a shady lawyer. Didn’t go well. My friend paid for a real person to check property lines. Idiot neighbor lost it all. His backyard, his voice( he became speechless after losing) , his wife. She divorced him when she found out about his little stunt. She reminded him, the home they live in is on their land! So she kicked him out. She still lives in the house actually

An aspect of property disputes that people tend to overlook is that over decades and centuries, the land itself moves. As such, it is very hard to establish property markers and borderlines that maintain expected property shapes and sizes. Streams and river move their beds. Buried stakes can get shifted by animals, people, or environmental changes. Even latitudes and longitudes move relative to buildings as the continents drift a foot or 4 per century. If your property hasn't changed hands or been surveyed in the last 50+ years, a new survey is likely to establish the property lines in a different place than you expect.

LOL the woman that demanded the guy pay her or take his fence down. Than wanted him to build a new fence because HER dog was chewing up HER furniture. I would have laughed in her face and told her "That's a YOU problem," closed door. Protest to a locked door B.

Story 4 - Hey she got what wanted and now she has to deal with the consequences..😂😂😂

My favorite story about land dispute was this one: OP has been on a long feud with her Karen neighbor, who hated OP because they bought the house and land next door that used to belong to Karen's irresponsible son, until he lost it due to failing to pay the taxes. Karen even tried to steal them back, claiming they were hers, but failed. Recently, OP wanted to build a fence, but when they checked for the property lines, they found out Karen was claiming a significant part of their property. They tried to dispute it, but Karen, being rich, bribed a surveyor to give her a survey just the way she wanted, and OP couldn't hire a surveyor of their own without saving money first. In the area they live, there are extremely strict laws regarding surveys: a surveyor who was found guilty of giving a bad survey, even by honest mistake, would face fines and lose their license, not to mention refunding their clients and paying for potential damages and a new survey. Because of this, surveys are extremely expensive (they are putting their lifes on the line, after all) and surveyors will avoid anything even resembling a property dispute. For OP, a survey would cost as much as, if not more than, the price of the disputed land itself. So OP left the situation be for the time being... and then it happened: a bad storm knocked down a tree that was on the disputed property. It caused damage to another nearby property, and also destroyed a rich person's sports car. That person's insurance tried to bill OP for over 200.000 dollars. OP disputed the bill, claiming that the tree was on Karen's property, and used the surveyor she hired against her: the guy stuck to the survey he did, knowing full well the consequences he'd face if he gave them anything different. So, in the end, Karen was forced to pay the 200.000 dollars out of her own pocket.

Story 3; Never take a shovel from a fool digging his own grave.

I love these stories when neighbors SWEAR they own part of your land and can prevent you from putting up a privacy fence, or whatever. Only to have a surveyor come and show that the A-hole neighbor is FEET over their property line into the nice homeowner's property. FAFO!😂😂😂

Having the audacity to tell the general public to mind their own business while actively being a public nuisance has to be a whole new level of lacking self awareness. If you’re blocking roads that the neighbors use on a daily basis, then it’s just as much their business as it is yours.

I get almost gleeful when I hear stories about tree law. You always know it's going to involve an entitled idiot and a massive fine.

Story 4: Anne shouldn’t be a dog owner if that’s what she does with Razzy

The last story went exactly like this: "We'll take you to court!" "Oh, please do~" **Cue warning bells** "Could whoever that is turn off their phone? I'm trying to file a lawsuit against this property owner so I can keep stealing money!"

Razzy Story: What Karen actually needs is to properly Train Razzy to not be aggressive and not chew the furniture...

My side fence is nearly two full feet in my neighbor's yard. She wants me to take it down. I refused since the fence is on her property and it's been there since before I bought the house. We've feuded about it for years and she even tried to take me to court. The court ruled that the fence is on her property, so it's her responsibility to take it down.

In regards to property lines and dogs, I have a wholesome "story" to tell. My family and our neighbor live in a double-house on a street with absolute no sidewalk but very few traffic. Our frontyard is seperated by a double flower bed (one from us and one from the neighbor). In the 80s, we had a dog. A collie. And he loved the neighbor. But the dog wasn't allowed to jump over the flower beds to the neighbor. In compliance the dog left our property, ran to the neighbors property and jumped over the flower bed to our property. (The dog seemed to have thought, that we just didn't allow the one direction.) It was most beautiful, when the dog ran a few times in circles.

Tree Story: If Karen really wants shade on her bedroom window, she can install a DEEP Root Barrier surrounding the bed outside the window and then plant Bamboo... Bamboo is extremely fast growing and unless stopped with a root barrier, will spread across the entire area until it finds ground it can't grow on (paved road, concrete sidewalk, creek, swamp etc.)...it's almost as bad as Kudzu in how fast it will spread and how hard it is to get rid of once it takes root in an area...

Story 4 (the one with the dog Razzy in it): There would've been no trouble at all if the dog was properly trained from puppy. (Hint: the puppies learn fastest, just like Human children). But as the dog was, as it seems, totally untrained there was no way to control him. Sad.

Retaining Wall Story: If I was OP, I'd be calling the Police for all the early morning Noise Violations (Chainsaws and tree chippers at 6:30 AM? Nope...[beep, beep, beep...hello, Police?]) and I'd also be calling the Police when his Contractors start dumping all the building materials in the street, blocking travel by the residents cars...after that, I'd call in the complaint to City Code Enforcement about all the construction without Permits...

In the first story, the old neighbor was not only nice but also knew exactly what to do to teach his entitled kids a lesson in greediness.

Story 1: The actual moral of the story is to check the property lines before you start building. This will make sure that you don't have any of these problems to begin with. So many of these stories could just be solved by OP getting the property lines checked before they start building. It's no different than having them come out to mark buried utility lines. It's definitely cheaper than the 5,000 and 10,000 originally offered.

Story 4: she burned that bridge before it could even be built. Well done karen! That is not how you get someone to be willing to help you

These people that try to bully neighbors into giving them access to their land are kind of like small dogs barking at big dogs They don't know what they're going to get themselves into if they don't have all their facts straight.

Story 4 would have been perfect if OP had said something like "What do you mean you will *help* pay for the fence? I don't need a fence, you do, so you can pay for it in full yourself."

Ann learnt a expensive lesson… Play silly games win silly prizes.

Story 1: Rush Hour 2, 'greed will imprison us all'. The greedy kids should have just take 5-10k instead of pushing their luck.

I hear a lot about bad HOAs, so it's nice to hear about them actually being reasonable with their rules.

Story 3: Sometimes, not minding your own business is the right thing to do. This guy illegally cut down trees and broke the fence rules, yet acted all hostile when called out for it. Enjoy the fines

Worked for a bank in their telephone offices. Was hired to help people with their accounts but we were forced to plug some monthly crap you add to the account you have to pay for the you get money off in areas youll probably never use, was a sick con. I tried to fight them on it and they proved they had the right to make me sell if they wanted. I discovered if you're selling a product, any product you are a salesperson. I'd introduce myself as a salesperson and they'd either hang up or want to speak to another person, when my bosses found my calls were low they listened in and pulled me up for it. I showed them where it was written and informed them I was complying with financial services regulations.

Story 3: I bet that George Washington's father was not concerned about his son telling lies or about a child wielding a hatchet. Rather, he was worried about what their HOA would say.

In the first story, the OP's neighbor didn't lose anything. The OP regained property.

Story 3 - Hey OP did what the guy said and the guy ended up hanging himself for his entitled arrogance. Wahh wahh waaaaahh.😂

All Ann had to do was pay someone to put up a new fence. But Karen's gonna Karen

My neighbor wanted to replace his fence as it was falling apart. WE share the fence, so asked if we wanted to go 50/50 on it. If he didn't replace it, I would have too, and they have been great neighbors. So I went in on him with it. His sons and brother did all the work. I was 1 panel short, so he just got another one and put it in. Refused payment for it, didn't want more than water. Super nice guy, fence looks great.

There is RU-vid and then there is RU-vid with a new DarkFluff video. Yes, it's a good day.

The funny part, the neighbors really didn't lose anything. His kid on the other hand lost the value of the land of his property when he tries to sell the house.

I’m sitting here laughing at story 3. I live in a Non HOA neighborhood and even then, we can’t do what those douche canoes are doing. lol.

Story 2: You just gotta love a Karen that "didn't realize that there wouldn't be anything between their two properties to contain their dog" when OP was REMOVING A FENCE!

I really like how the stories are all within a certain theme in each video.

Those fence stories- see why it's nice to be nice??!😂😂

Speaking of fences there was this case on Judge Judy that shows how dumb people can be. When this Karen sued a neighbor over removing their fence. The fence itself was literally falling apart. Fully rotten in fact. Then wanted $5000 on top of that. It seems the neighbor also brought a land survey, it seems the old fence was a good 2 feet in the neighbor's property. Not only did the Karen loose the cash, but 2 feet of their land.

Story 4- "I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THINGS IN THE " BIG CITY" , BUT HERE IN THE STICKS, WHERE I COME FROM, WE FOLLOW THE "GOLDEN RULE"!! TREAT ME LIKE SHIT, AND YOU WILL BE TREATED WITH THE EXACT "CARE AND CONCERN".. 😂😂😂

If you are building a Fence on the edge of your Property, NEVER, EVER give the neighbouring Property more than 1 inch of your land. Pay for an Official Survey (assuming you don't already have one) to verify EXACTLY where the Property Line is. By building 1 inch off the line, you gain 100% ownership of the entire Fence and the Neighbours have absolutely no say in your Fence Style, Height and/or Colour because the Fence is 100% on your land, not straddling the Property Line putting it 50/50 on your and the Neighbouring Property...

Story 1 - LOL! Oh man I bet that scorched that kids greedy hide to the nth degree. Not only did he lose out on some money but he also lost a portion of property!😂😂😂😂

A rare moment that I'm in RU-vid when a new video drops from my favorite Reddit narrator. Life is good. :)

Poor Razzy sounds unsocialized. Stupid Anne has been neglecting her dog 9_9

Taking down a tree that took decades to grow, just to be a petty asshole, that's a nope for me. That one's awful.

Story 2: "Okay, what sneaky, underhanded thing are you gonna do to those neighbors?" "The sneakiest thing I can do: absolutely nothing." 😈

Surely checking the property lines before building anything would be just basic common-sense, regardless of how you get on with the neighbour?

Thank you! Im grateful for the actual humans with actual humanity

Final Story - To OP’s FIL… respect ✊

I once had a neighbor who lived behind me who broke into our shed and when i confronted him he tried to run while saying o i thought i heard my girl messing around with someone in your shed. If true then why did you run when you saw me. Almost ten feet onto his property, should have left well enough alone but no had to rock the boat

Why do people want to kill trees just to prove a point? Or just because it's their property? It is so inhumane.

Property line story: Or instead of moving the fence he could have placed a lien on the neighbors property to force the neighbor's kids to pay him for the property, minus what he planned to use. Backyard landscaping story: This is part of the reason I refuse to live in an HOA. But I'm also not an idiot and realize that the city, county, state and even the federal government often have a say as to what you can do on your property depending on where you live, what the actual conditions are and what you want/plan to do. And permits are often required. Razzy vs the fence story: Well Anne, you want a fence, YOU have a new one built on YOUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE! Poor Razzy sounds like he was never properly trained. But OP, if you and the old neighbor KNEW where the survey pins were, why not just put a stake in front of each one and run a string between them? That way the fence wouldn't be off by more than a fraction of an inch. Trim tree vs fine story: The neighbor was conniving and couldn't believe that someone might actually do something nice for her if just asked nicely. Also, nothing is stopping the neighbor from planting a tree of her own on her side of the property line. But it will take a few or more years to provide the shade and privacy she wants. Clear fire hazards story: And if the city council hadn't tried this on someone who's property WAS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS, they likely would have continued to have gotten away with it.

I cannot imagine starting construction of an extension without first ascertaining that I knew where the property line falls

#3 The fine PER TREE was probably close to $2000. Then, the fines for obstructing the street could add a few more $1000. Start to work to early ? That's some other fines, 1 per day. Fine for the bad retaining wall ? Can get between $5000 and $10000. Then, rebuilding it up to code will cost more $$$. Replace that fence ? No reimbursement from the contractor for that illegal 10' fence that need to get demolished.

If you're outside the city limits, how can the city council demand changes to your property? Fishy story.

The moral of the first story is check the property lines before starting a building project, that way you don’t swindle yourself out of 10K.

Neigbours "landscaping" My concern: If those neigbours live with downslide lawn, the trees would have been a countermessure against a landslide.......

Story 3: Getting fined for cutting down any trees is painful enough, I live in Southern California (desert region) though and we have Joshua tree's over here. cutting down, removing or even just trimming one without a permit is a minimum fine of a $1,000.00 per tree messed with and can go up to as high as $2,500.00 per tree. (The fine amount is based on the size of the Joshua tree, and some of these Joshua trees are HUGE.) A friend of mine a few years ago had bought some desert land (about 20 acres worth) to build his house on and didn't like how Joshua trees looked. So he ripped them all out, there was about 20 of them (I think). A neighbor down the road ratted him out to the city inspectors office for it and he got fined almost the same amount that he had paid for the property itself. And before you ask, yes, myself and several other friends of his laughed at him because we all warned him not to do it without getting those permits first. Not sure how the law is now but back then in California you had to have a separate permit for EACH Joshua tree.

Omg I thought Karen was going to have to confess to being the city wanting the tree cut but knowing Karen's they don't know the meeting of surrender or apology lol.

Story #4. I wonder if the reason that Karen didn't hire someone to put up a fence, if because she knew the property line was considerably closer to her house than the fence had been. I say this because some places won't put up a fence without a survey first, if that happened to be the case that could explain why she didn't hire someone.

The moral of the first story is: If you want to build, check the property line BEFORE you start.

Once before my when I was over at my dad's first house the neighbor tried to convince my dad that when I was in the backyard (I was 2-3) that I was cusing at her. 😂

Tree Law...!

Story 3: Wait, the HOA was on the good side of a dispute? How strange!

Its thanks to these these stories that I learned a valuable lesson: don't mess with trees unless you have permission from like 2 or more official people that are licensed in treeconomics

funny thing about story 6 is, the council basically put themselves in jail by threatening legal action lmao

I feel bad for Razzy with the story about anne, simply because german Shepards are high energy, high drive dogs and when they aren't trained and stimulated they become an anxious, destructive mess. That's not a good life.

On the second story, if the Karen neighbor was smart they'd have gotten a lawyer because they have a pretty clear cut claim of "Adverse Possession".

In my country, if your neighbors used part of your property for over 20 years without you doing anything about it being on paper ax a temporarily use, you lose your property forever and it is now the neighbors without paying a cent for it. If you don't want to lose property to stealing neighbors pay attention when they are building a shed, extension, garage or fence. Be sure you have the blueprints with the property lines when you buy a house. When my mother passed away we found it and they had it for over 50 years The buyers of my mother's mhouse were very glad with it.

One should never call for a looknat property lines unless they themselves have looked a said property lines

Story 4 - I feel kinda' sorry for Razzy, though.

Malicious compliance that leads to criminal charges is the best kind. 😈

The saying goes "if you only do one crime at a time you're less likely to get caught" Like, if you're running drugs don't speed.

I have a neighbor that scalps the property line almost every time he mows. It started because we wanted to show us that this over grown pine tree is in MY yard. The first mowing day hits and he starts at the post at the back of the property. This post tells us where the property line starts. He lowered his blades and starts his line. He makes it about 5 feet away from the tree and realizes the tree is in fact their tree. But instead of continuing the straight line. He makes a sharp turn and leaves a strange triangle of grass left to be mowed. I live in a small enough town that it doesn’t quiet matter who owns the property. collectively as neighbors we just help each other out with these small patches that you can’t reach due to fields or a small pond. But if you’re gunna scalp your lawn to try and prove a point… well buddy you might wanna get out your hedge clippers and start clearing out this mess of a tree

Story 5: in my area, if a tree grows over property lines, you were responsible for the branches over your land. Unless the tree was dead. So city would have gone after the neighbor to trim the branches.

Story 3: You don’t mess around with tree law.

Playing stupid games,gets you stupid prizes!😂😂😂

Depending on the local laws, some of these people should have looked into adverse possession. There's a limit to how long you have to sue someone to force them to give you back your property. Though the details can vary widely place to place.

When I was a tween, my neighbour passed away so his house went up for sale. It stayed up for sale for a while as the house was a fixer upper, I was around 12 when it went up and was sold when I was almost 14. The new people were newlyweds and city folk (this is the country). They moved in around the summer and then when spring came on it was a sh!t show. My bedroom is the only bedroom that looks on their side so when their basement started flooding (ours usually does every year), they saw I had my window open and started screaming to get my attention. I looked out at them and said what's wrong? They asked for my parents as their basement flooded and it was my parents water that came in there. I was confused like why would that be my parents problem? We have a huge hill for a backyard, the whole one side of the street does so that's where the water came from. My mom came up when I asked for one of them to talk to these crazies and they started a fight through my bedroom window.

Story #4: why are people always so dense?! NEVER di anything property related WITHOUT a written contract that states the agreement!! Like.. If the neighbours agreed to the fence, no problem, just let them give it in writing so if they sell it you don't have problems!

a tree being unruly? WTF is that tree pulling up it's skirt and dancing?

Not knowing the local regulations, I am surprised that most of these property line disputes didn’t dip into adverse possession due to the location of the fence. This is why I am a bit skeptical about the veracity of the stories where the property boundaries were established for many years based on a fence.

It is always best to check property lines prior to any additions. It may piss off others or disappoint you in the end but either way it saves a ton of headaches.

i dont know about your guys watching this video but i was kinda on the fence on a few of these stories lol

The story about the realtor: If there was ever a perfect illustration of the Law of Unintended Consequences in action, this is it. Every last malicious compliance story is an illustration in itself, but this one tops them all for me. Knowing every single morning you leave for work that your personal wrecking machine will be going to work, too. That when you come home, what you owned that morning was more than what you own now. Always give considerable thought to every action that might have the potential to bite you in the hindquarters. "I make my words all soft and sweet because I never know which ones I'll have to eat."

Tree laws usually say treble the damage

Hi Fluff great stories as always. My big day is tomorrow 58 . Looking to hearing you tell the best stories.🥰❤️

TREE LAW!!! Also, kinda funny how that applies to one's own trees too 🙃

Story 1: Greedy a*hole got what he deserved. And shame on him for admitting that they were just waiting for their father to die just so they could sell his house. I hope they ended up written out of the will. Story 2: This Karen, I mean Susan, merely wanted extra space for her garden WITHOUT asking for it. Glad that her house's side of the fence ended up buried. She and her husband should move away Story 3: Good on that a*hole neighbor. He clealry thought of himself as being above the law. Glad that he got what he deserved. May he never get to do construction again. And goof on OP for not ratting him out, that would have ended in the neighbor looking for the utmost extreme revenge. Story 4: Seems Anne didn't think it through. I feel bad for Razzy though, since Anne will probably put him down once she gets annoyed with his furniture-chewing tendencies, since she seems to neglect him. Glad that OP moved away and let the trash rot (you know who I'm talking about). Story 5: This Karen got what she deserved for lying and wanting something for free WTHOUT asking nicely. Poor tree, but t the end of the day it WAS OP's decision to cut down HIS tree. The Karen will probably move away to avoid paying the now higher electricity bills. Story 6: SO glad that the corrupt council was exposed and got what they deserved. And I sincerely hope OP repeats the malicious compliance if it ever happens again.

During the pandemic, house loan interest rates in my state were super low. I jumped on a beautiful 5 bedroom lakehouse on 40 acres. Several months earlier, it was the site of a quadruple homicide and the killer took his own life when the cops showed up. This suddenly rendered the $1/2mil lakehouse worth $90k. Anyway, for the last couple months, someone online has been "renting out campsites" around my lake without my permission. I've had to tell the campers they've been scammed and I point them to the official state-run camp grounds about 5 miles away. Then last week, one of them, a big obviously roided out freak of a man, screamed that he'd hang me from a tree if he ever saw me again. I went back into my house, loaded my rifle, and called the police. The dickwaffle denied it until I said "my security cameras on my house might have picked it up." He turned pale and said he didn't want any trouble and he'd leave, but the officers slammed him to the ground and said he was being charged with criminal trespassing, destruction of private property, hunting and fishing without permits, illegal camping, crafting an illegal campfire, home invasion, and making terroristic threats. His court date is in couple days and I am definitely willing to testify if I can.

where I live ( NY) when you put up a fence you have to put the pretty side to the outside, facing the neighbors, its the law....