Hey, now, there's a place in the world for self-indulgent fantasy id-fic! Just as long as the author is *aware* that they're doing it and is doing it in someplace it's appropriate ... neither of which seem to be relevant in these cases. (But, yes, that phrase is a really good way of putting it, I agree!)
Why? It’s called FICTION. Fiction where things are not real, nor should humans or physical manifestations follow the rules of logic…please tell me how many fan fictions have you read of women that follow the same rules you’re making for men, hmm? I’m sure you’re incredibly nuanced, but you’re merely “testing everyone else”, right?
When I hear nipples being described as missiles- I just imagine that as an ability in Transformers or something. On a tangent: as someone who went through an eating disorder, that one author can get bent.
If male characters were described the same way: He was tall, taller than the Empire State Building. His abs were so taut they looked like a handheld revolver that could blow a hole through my face. his pecs were immaculate, not the fat saggy moobs, or the rock hard gym rat muscles. But perfect pecs, like a love interest in a webtoon. He smirked with cherry red, plump lips that seemed to whisper my name, the deep vibrato of his voice making my whole body vibrate. “Heyyyy kittennnnn” and fell over as his deep bass voice blasted me into the wall. He was so hot. Ryan Gosling! Very hot…
as a straight guy il be honest this sounds not bad, the voice part is really good... the kitten part is bad tho... am I not self aware enough here that am missing the irony?
@@Scrarf4 : I think it's context. As "an avatar of the author's desires" (or, more accurately, as a an over-the-top parody of such), it's great. And there are stories where that would be appropriate, even. It would fit nicely in a self-aware silly romance or erotica, for instance. To get the proper effect, you'd need to put it in a book that was not at all a parody, where he was not a potential romance interest of the main character, and do this for basically every male character in the book. And, even so, this is missing some of the pieces that make the female-character descriptions bad. For the full effect, it should also always mention the size of their crotch bulge, and for the non-white men, pull the half of the description from standard stereotypes like mentioning "squinty eyes" and "subservient nature" on the Asian men, and "chocolate skin" and "uncontrolled animal nature" for the Black men. Over and over and over.
The terrifying thing with the “no character all body descriptions” and “making nationalities into kinks” pattern is that some people apply it irl. I work as a waitress and lemme tell you, having a customer that’s clearly much older than you keep asking about your accent and ethnicity, and age, and relationship status, and not even bothering to try to get a name… And then leaving a creepy note on a crumpled napkin about “deeper connections” with all of his contact details is, in short, disgusting.
And like, what connection did they think they had? Mentally undressing someone and drooling is not a connection. I don't understand those people. Like, sure, sexy people exist, but they're PEOPLE. A whole ass human being, not my personal alone-time picture folder.
I love that you turned the 2nd girl into some fucked up body horror mermaid. For the last girl, I actually took a screenshot and crossed out the obsessively repetitive beautiful/perfect/great talk, the weird hatred for specific types of red hair, and the weirder hatred for girls with eating disorders. It made the whole text half as long without losing any of the actual description.
@@Fluff_Noodles the parenthesis asides and pop culture references gave me the impression that she was writing an unreliable narrator. could be wrong though
@@bogwife7942 God I hope so. But unfortunately quirky, cynical, not like other girls female protagonists are common in female lead stories and they're written as the hero of the story. 💀
@@bogwife7942the narrator is a highschool girl that got turned into a vampire and she's clumsy and quirky but turns out she's the most powerful vampire ever and she saved the world pretty much
the barbie ish character written by a woman is terrifying in alot of ways but the jab at eating disorders was nasty. Like say you haven't struggled without saying it outloud
I want to give the author the benefit of the doubt… it’s possible that the author is describing the other character through the eyes of a character who is a total jerk and an unreliable narrator. I think only that could make that line excusable.
I’m almost certain that line was from a House of Night book. The main character is awful and these asides (things in parentheses and wholly obnoxious) are a hallmark of that author’s writing style.
@@avencree bruh when the MC decided to dunk on other women for no reason, I just knew that this came from House of Night. Like I think i heard the (I wish I had great boobs) from a video about it.
There's nothing wrong with wanting something in a person, the problem is how it's described. Like her body is wayyy more important then everything else about her, and it's described in a way that it sounds like they're trying to sell you a woman instead of describing someone they're looking for in a partner. Anyway, I'm now thinking about writing a story about a woman who is constantly described like the girls in this video where people say the weirdest, thirstiest, confusing things about her, but then when the main character finally meets her she literally looks exactly how she was described, but instead of hot it's absolutely terrifying, like biblically accurate angel levels of horror. This idea does no belong to me and it's unlikely that I'll actually write it, so if anyone does decide that they want to write this go ahead, just make sure to provide a link or something lol
regarding your first comment, i agree. having a type of body you like is okay! it's normal! but making a person's body the most important thing about them and horrifically objectifying them is not okay. and it's not okay when you want someone to genuinely be unhealthy (such as having EDs). regarding your second comment, it would be even more horrifying if to the side characters her description is perfectly normal. like, some type of mind-fuck thing where even if they appear perfectly normal and know what a human should look like, and describe her accurately, they can't grasp that she isn't a human and doesn't look like one in the slightest. the mc would know that something's really wrong, but nobody else does, so it creates a like... town-wide (or wherever it takes place) gaslighting situation where the mc is the only one who knows that This Is Not A Human.
I write short stories in my free time, and I might write a really short story about this. I'll come back to copy and paste it on here or something if I actually do it tho-
That woman author not only dissed women struggling with EDs, she also dissed women who are naturally thin due to high metabolism! She sounds so bitter, jealous and insecure. I can't imagine she wrote her narrator like that without it being true to herself as well. It's just so on the nose.
And to the lesser extent how much she bashed on people with red hair. Like what is there only one "good" blond or "perfect" brown? What about texture? I wouldn't be surprised if she had issues with people who had short, curly hair or something.
@@perpetualheadache6124 yes but sometimes the author's views and stuff seeps into the actual character. if the whole book was written like that, then its most likely the authors views too.
@@perpetualheadache6124 Why are you fighting so hard to defend the author? The only thing you know about her is this gross, unrealistic depiction of a female character that is honestly very harmful, find better battles to fight
I've noticed a strange thing about so many descriptions of women that men write, 1. they all describe her boobs 2. they describe her like one would describe a scene or object rather than a person
The opportunity to describe a woman in the story presents itself and these writers see it as the perfect opportunity to describe in great detail their own fetishes, and then they forget about the character
"She looked up from her book. She wasn't like other girls - Never wanting to be in the spotlight, she chose books as company in place of people. She was as sharp as a tac and Wreguise liked her for that. But, he was a jock and she, well, was just a nerd."
The second character's description is so bizarre I'm not sure we're even supposed to think she's attractive. He calls the waist's thinness worrisome, he compares the breast to fish and says they're so far appart from eachother that it "bifurcates" the torso. If the author's intention was for the reader to find this woman unhealthy or uneasy to the eye, he succeeded... otherwise, yeeesh
And a fishnet dress "from her fisherman period"? Seriously? It's as if the author has no idea that fishnet dresses have very little to do with actual fishing.
"Her boobs were Prarie Dogs as she walked sexily down the street, popping teasingly in and out the top of her tight, barely-there shirt. They even made squeaking noises as they did."
Ah but she also has big luscious "ethnic" lips! How would he know they were natural, and not made of silicone, if she didn't have a few drops of coffee in her beautiful milky skin!? /s
@@pookaverse LMAO your comment reminded me of another sister's post about how modern people, especially a LOTTA white folk, trying TOO damn hard to look like what black people NATURALLY got! Luscious Lips, Wide Hips -- you name it! Haaaaah! She ain't wrong though!
I find this way of writing really inorganic. Like, it implies that the moment these characters witness a woman, they just Sherlock Holmes analyze every detail of their body, when no one does that in real life. You notice more things about someone the longer you spend time with them. Immediately describing their whole body just feels like all that matters is their body, to the character and the writer.
I wonder if there are men who do analyze every body part in isolation before expending mental energy on anything else? Some men do awkwardly stare like you’re inanimate.
I mean as a writer I often wish I could just include a colored picture of every character at their introduction. That would solve about 73% of my problems. Alas, I'm expected to describe all these people, and figuring out how to organically state someone's skin color (without sounding racist) is next to impossible. Screech
“Oh actually this dinner is already pretty well seasoned, I don’t need any more s-“ _[waiter aggressively continues seasoning with unbroken eye contact]_
hey have you ever thought about making a video on what you imagined your characters from unfamiliar's voices would sound like? i would be really interested in watching a video like that.
Why is that bad? Why do people need a poetic description that ultimately just minces words to convey the same thing? This is why I don't like reading books. So much wasted time describing meaningless things instead of concepts and ideas.
@@icebox1954 the point of books is to describe meaningless things in a beautiful way. I can tell you don’t like books, and that’s fine, you can be a more practical person, but writing is an art form which means things are supposed to be written in a romanticized manner.
@@Sockconsumist That's not true. Books are not supposed to be written in only one type of way. That's like saying movies are only supposed to be made in one type of way. The point of books is to convey ideas. That's the most fundamental truth of communication. I don't mind romanticised descriptions if it actually matters.For example a beautiful scenery as the climax of a harrowing journey. But you shouldn't describe what a random stone or person looks like if it isn't actually important to the plot. A lot of books have surface level depth. Where's the socioeconomic and geopolitical intricacies of the fantasy kingdom? I want to hear about the tax codes and why coins are worth what they are. Something that brings the world alive instead of some vapid description of a beautiful woman you don't even know. I read "Stalin's Cows" by Sofi Oksanen. The book is ruined by endless descriptions of feelings even though the subjects are interesting. At the end I was just happy to be done because of the endless descriptions. It isn't impressive or a sign of great skill, it's a waste of time and effort.
My best guess with the soft feet thing is that she lacked calluses... which is wack, because humans _need_ calluses in order for walking to not be painful. Like for example, if you walk barefoot over gravel all summer, at the beginning it will hurt like hell, but at the end you have thick enough calluses that will protect you. Anyways, I'm not a foot expert like Tarantino, I just have feet and know what feet do.
I once had some type of infection (fungal I think) that are away at my feet calusses. Afterwards my feet did admittedly look pretty. But indeed walking barefoot or on thin soled shoes hurt. I was so happy when I regrew my calluses and never want to go back.
That author was so mean and for what? For the record, not even trying to make you feel better, I genuinely have always thought the “carrot top red” hair was so pretty and as a kid wished my own hair was more like that (I love my hair now lol, but I just wanna let you know this author is ONE hateful person and you’re beautiful)
As a lesbian, that first passage has me in tears. 😂 I too just want a girl with tragic jungle eyes and small missile boobs. Your illustrations are so endearing though! I love how you can turn these ridiculous descriptions into actually kind of adorable girls ❤
0:50 "Conde's male chauvinism--which could not be helped--forced him to consider that sexy woman who loved other women as a painful waste of evolution." ---> "Conde's [misogyny]--which [he can't be bothered to fix--caused] him to [be homophobic unless he's allowed to watch ayooooo]."
Sexy woman who love other women is a painful waist of evolution...? 😠😡🤬 Thank you so much for saying that line sucks big time; it REALLY does. You're an amazing artist by the way. I absolutely love everything you're doing! ❤❤❤
The last one is actually from a young adult novel about vampires. I believe the series is called Marked? The book is FULL of lines like that. The main character is always insulting other “pretty” girls, calls them sluts, says some pretty racist things about black hairstyles and Native Americans too. What’s worse is it’s written by two women who are mother and daughter. If you made a drinking game out of how many times the main character insults people for things they can’t control, you’d be dead within the first few pages.
OMFG THAT FUGGN SERIES 😭😭😭 didn't the main character get manipulated by an adult at one point who then took advantage of her? I think it was this series where that happened but I remember reading it as a lonely high schooler thinking that was "sooo mature and cool" of her 😔
As someone with natural red hair (carrot top red) and struggles with an eating disorder, the woman author can screw off. Also thank you for your response to it. 💜
I'm definitely looking forward to future parts of this series! Though, that fourth author kind of disturbs me, with that random "She wasn't a skinny freak like a girl with an EATING DISORDER," just being thrown in there.
@@pigcatapultthe entire rest of the series that the quote is from is like that sadly, + random slutshaming, its really fucking weird especially considering other than that the character who says it isnt described as bad and its just normal?? 😭
Notice how a lot of these man write these women like fixtures on a wall or just straight up sex dolls. Like the description works against these characters dehumanizing them.
See, this is why I keep my descriptions as short as possible while conveying what I need to; She was tall, and had her head tilted to one side, amber eyes staring at him with slight irritation. Her skin was pale, and dark hair fell over her shoulders like a waterfall. She wore a blue suit.
Hello...I think you meant being "succinct", and it can be quite a virtue in writing narratives! My apologies for this late reply & you probably aren't seeking advice anyway, but perhaps the paragraph could be improved in terms of grammatical structure (i.e. not so many 'samey' sentences in a row beginning with "she was...", so as to not sound repetitive) and/or narrative logics (i.e. describing the subject in a conventional order that a casual observer will follow) "A tall, pale figure suited in blue, she fixed her amber-shade gaze upon him in slight irritation, tilting her head and animated her flowing dark tresses down the shoulders." Maybe this could be a further improvement to your original example (and even shorter!)? Thanks for reading this.
After watching this, it makes me wonder how they write other men, if they even do that, or if its only that female character thats depicted like that and all the other characters are told in a somewhat normal way
It’s definitely only the female characters that get this treatment, unfortunately. I want more hands likened to hams and ballsacks with their own agency 😩
@@AnkhAnanku you reminded me of David Morrell's novelization of the film Rambo 2, who infamously had descriptions like "Rambo's scrotum shrank when he saw the enemy's searchlight" or "the electricity [of the torture device] gave him an involuntary erection" and other pearls of genitals emoting more than faces
Reminds me of that one parody tweet where a woman writes a male character like men write female characters. It involved the female protagonist hearing the squirming of the sperms inside the guy's testicles
Ok about the ED thing, you are amazing for putting a trigger warning and a help line to call. I've had issues with food, not bad but I know opeople w ho had it bad, so it is amazing that you are so respectful and aware with the situation.
Using food to describe skin tones is going out of favor because some feel it’s comparing people of color (especially women of color) to special treats to be indulged in. It’s disproportionately used with POC rather than white characters, and is considered an insult when you consider that slaves were (or even are) probably the ones harvesting the resources (coffee, chocolate, sugarcane for toffee) Some people don’t mind, me included, but we all want to be sensitive to the feelings of others.
"Conde's male chauvinism forced him to consider that sexy woman who loved other women as a painful waste of evolution". It’s terrible, but I lived in an environment in which every man thought this way (there were exceptions, but this is insanely rare, especially among adults) and this was the norm. I hope that every woman - mother, sister, friend or wife - will turn away from such men. I apologize for any harshness, given that this is an entertaining video about drawing. It’s just that this is a very sensitive topic for me and I’m really very hurt by things like the above.
If there's a silver lining to this excerpt, it's that the use of the phrase "male chauvinism" implies that the writer themself doesn't view women in this way
Maybe. I heard that as "Oh, it's not *his* fault really, it's his male chauvinism's *forcing* him to do it; he's really a good guy underneath." And it's only that one piece that's blamed on the male chauvinism. Which sort of gave me the sense of the writer instead having the "lesbians are hot" viewpoint and also a lot of unexamined male chauvinism.
I actually forced myself to make my character have freckles all over her body because just having them over the nose started to make me feel some type of way.
@@pumkitdrawz No, nothing like that. It just felt off for me; though I don't know if anybody does have freckles just on their face. I just never met any and most my family have em all over
@@CresentMoonVideos I have met a few. Believe me I checked. Definitely a minority but possible. Not really a good or bad thing though. I guess some people like them only on the face.
@@CresentMoonVideosI mostly only have freckles on my face. They’re super faded since I don’t spend nearly enough time in the sun, but they’re mostly the classic “over the bridge of the nose”, then kinda spill out onto my cheeks. I do have some spots on my back, shoulders, and limbs, but not a lot. I’m surprised that they’re not actually that common, considering how many people draw and describe them that way
I just read a book FOR SCHOOL that spent 2 paragraphs describing breasts, and later another paragraph of the same woman, wnd at the end of the book, another paragraph if a different womans breasts. Why? WHY KEN KESEY?
I love this so much, taking the characters' descriptions and giving them life, removing them from the male gaze that they were created under. The fish tits are also A++
The one written by a girl sounded so insanely familiar to me and I searched a little and it's from the first House of Night book! There are TONS of other examples of women being described that could be in these videos. There's a full physical description of every character. (The poc women's descriptions almost always include coffee or chocolate)
One of the reason I don't read "romance" novels unless they have another Genre mixed in is because MOST author's (male or female) design characters that are a Cliche with list of their ideal mate options all combined (whether it makes sense or not) and usually the main character is very ordinary or borderline unattractive but still manages to pull in this Top Tier specimen STRAIGHT towards them like a black hole for implausible or unknown reasons. It really takes me out of the story when the author is too incompetent to make it so I can suspend disbelief in a simple love story, when a competent author can make Time Travel, Curses, Aliens, Monsters, Alternate Dimensions, Cryptids and supernatural serial killers feel more Plausible than two regular humans falling in love
Too many romance novels are "author-insert and author's ideal partner" and not enough romance novels are "these two characters have great chemistry and you want to see them develop their relationship"
@@Turtle20305 LOL True, I wonder if this lack of understanding when it comes to how a balanced human interactions actually go, is a sign of of our times socially or just the fact that so many people now are creatively bankrupt when it comes to story telling
Why is this so true? I am sick and tired of romance manwhas with the same cold, smart and tall CEO guy with side-part short black hair. And the way they just fall for a random clumsy girl... It is never believable
Okay but the second one, the way you drew it, would make for a very interesting fantasy character! With the fish boobs being questionable, I really like what you did with the crevice part of the description and the narrow hips/stomach area. Well done! You're very good at drawing.
I'm just now realizing that all this series is reminding me of is how I'd picture characters when I read books as a kid and that one episode of TAWOG where Sarah writes fanfiction and everything she writes is acted out literally.
6:03 i feel like this is kind of a cool character concept lol. some kind of ocean shapeshifter trying to turn into what humans for some reason find attractive yet makes zero sense, and forcing fish to join them to create a specific shape.
I feel like there was a description in the last one that also ended with "and she had great boobs". Honestly they should all end that way, its a perfect punchline.
i LOVE these videos sm your humour and sarcasm make these videos so entertaining to watch, and the absurdism of drawing literal versions of these absolutely insane descriptions kills me every time these videos are such a delightfully weird trip to experience ♡
I said it one and I say it again: the descriptions are horrendous, but your designs are THE BEST THING EVER I love all of these and previous girls! Please yes part 3!
I read one of the Star Wars books last week, the first Darth Bane book, and I was just lamenting to my husband at how atrocious the scenes are with the character "Githany," and I don't even want to get into her name, but every time Githany was in ANY scene, it was about her hips, her lips, her eyes, her sensuality, her manipulative sexual actions, how she was desired by the ENTIRE sith academy. The SINGULAR female character and she OOZES SEX- nondescript by the way, I'm pretty sure there was never an actual description of what she looked like, just that she was human and sexy.
As a guy... 💀 I mean like... These are actual sentences actual guys have managed to get in print. 😮 I really enjoy your commentary and your artwork and would be happy to see part 3.
War: missile boobs Pestilence: bug eyes with the slime hair Famine: digestion-less waist Pale Rider: soft feet by default (maybe they’re soft bc she’s decomposing?) Sorry for the cursed comment but your lovely ladies give four horsemen vibes XD;;;
As an amateur writer, I have no concerns about ending up on this subreddit bc I barely give any description for my characters, ever💀 At best theyre all disembodied voices that happen to have a specific hair or eye colour attributed to them
I hate that for the first one they describe her features as a concoction of ethnic features but choose to make her white??? they will always want the beautiful black features and none of the features of being black.
I am male (non binary though) , and write and illustrate children’s books for a living. I write about female characters a lot more often. I respect the ladies.
heart-shaped face is not really a thing in my culture/language so the first time i came across it in an american book what came to my mind was the queen from Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland and i was highly disturbed and didnt realize it was supposed to be a desirable trait 😂
I think that the second passage managed to get on my personal podium of r/menwritingwomen (the first place still is the one about skin the color of fresh pressed olive oil -- neon green)
Olive oil only comes out that green with modern pressing. If you look at the ancient practices, Olive oil was a very subtle golden tone when pressed. Song of Achilles, a book where a character is described as having fresh pressed Olive oil skin, is written by a classics professor. She researched the ancient practices and described the character's skin as this. Idk which book you're thinking of, but that's the one I encountered
