R1300 GS vs R1200 GS - Is it Worth Upgrading?

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My BMW R1200 GS is now 10 years old and of course the new R1300 GS is on the scene - how do the two bikes compare and should I upgrade? In this video I compare the two bikes side by side and try to come to some sort of a conclusion....
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@mattWallJsy 5 месяцев назад

I would really struggle with the price, my pockets aren't nearly deep enough for that. Prefer the 1200 looks wise, and also feel that with all the extra gadgetry of the new model there's way more (probably exceedingly expensive) senors and doohickies to fail in years to come. Like anything new these days, it'll be wonderful under warranty, but after that, possibly not so much joy. Great video as always. Very slick edititing! 👌🏼

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Thank you for spotting the editing - was mind scrambling to do!!

@AG-ti6cp 5 месяцев назад

Heard an interview with insurance underwriter yesterday talking about the rise in premiums. He was citing the cost of parts on new vehicles as one element that underwriters have had to reassess and which have contributed to the rise in premiums. He quoted to cost of a BUMPER on one new BMW car as £7000 due to gadgetry and sensors! So, no doubt that the same forumla will be applied to motorcycles

@lord.onk99 5 месяцев назад

So very well presented Andy, must have took ages. I'm with the old model.

@Bronson2024 5 месяцев назад

I am hearing the same thing from my State Farm agent in Denver Colorado USA. Interestingly, he noted that all the new electronics and safety systems have not reduced the number of accidents?

@dreamcrusher112 5 месяцев назад

@@AG-ti6cp chatting rubbish. What's in a bumper - parking sensors, a camera and if you're unlucky the radar. It's only £7000 if you're paying yourself £6000 as the insurance company for the trouble of fixing a car.

@jamesf8864 5 месяцев назад

That intro sequence, flipping between the two bikes, was a brilliant way to start the video! As a fellow video editor, I know how long that must have taken, and how challenging it must have been to film and deliver, so well done for all that effort for what comes across as a short and simple snippet to kick things off! Great insights as ever, and exactly the video a lot of people will have been waiting for, I'm sure. Good job, Andy 👏👍

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Thank you very much - that editing is tricky to do so I'm thrilled you noticed!

@jude.v25 5 месяцев назад

Excellent review. I also ride a 2014 GS. Your review has helped me decide to stay off of the new GS and save myself a lot of money. The truth is, my 1200 does everything I want it to do.

@msims1250 5 месяцев назад

This was a very well thought out and well put together video. As of now, I still prefer the looks of the 1200/1250 and as I’ve only had mine a very short while, I’m not in a rush to upgrade. But the 1300 is starting to grow on me, the more videos I watch. Thanks, Andy!

@specialcircs 5 месяцев назад

I think the styling only appears bad to GS veterans. As a non-GS owner I couldn't care less, the differences are hardly enormous and it wouldn't prevent me considering it - but the stupid price would.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Yes it is a salty one isn’t it!

@edsyphan3425 5 месяцев назад

I totally agree, if you look at some of the front ends on some of Yamahas and Kawasakis, it doesn’t seem so bad, does it? But nobody complains? And having owned many BMWs starting with 1975 R90/6, up to a 2013 R1200 GS, I never bought one for it’s looks. But one other thing, as far as shifting goes, my 2009 RT1200 was the most delightful transmission on any bike I’ve owned. And that includes my Yamahas.

@JohannesDalen 5 месяцев назад

Looks are definitely subjective! I think the new one is a huge upgrade over the old one in terms of looks. Differences are massive when you look closely, frame, cockpit, rear-end, list goes on. The price is still nuts, but now at least you can pick the things you want and remove things you don't want, versus having to go with "packages" until now - still too expensive for me though.. Love how a bike can be this divisive. Have a great day 🙂

@ekkycecil3836 5 месяцев назад

TMF reviews are always a must watch for me. I find your delivery precise and enjoyable. In Uganda where I live, the new GS could end up costing nearly 50% more than the price listed at the dealerships in the UK and my pockets aren't that deep. But as always, I enjoy learning something new and experiencing these new bikes in some way from your channel. Keep up the amazing work.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Wow thank you and hello Uganda!

@chrisburkinshaw1819 5 месяцев назад

There will always be the brainwashed ones and buy it on pcp, new bikes are over priced as are new cars but if you keep giving the dealers money on pcp the prices will keep going up, Here’s a novel thing, still with your old bike which I’m thinking is probably ok and save your money.

@maxflight777 5 месяцев назад

I loved my days in Jinja and Kampala. It was pretty peaceful there 10 years ago !

@chriscm6461 5 месяцев назад

Your old 1200 has become part of you and has got to be a keeper. There will be yet another GS with more superfluous gadgets in a year or so, with another 10hp. Just keep her and tell us about how she goes over the next several years.😂. Thanks for another fab video.👍👴

@user-bm3gc6qe2m 5 месяцев назад

Great comparison. I've ordered a GS in Tramuntana spec for March, so really enjoying watching this series of vids. Looks wise, I really quite like the front end, but of course each to their own.

@davidupson2066 5 месяцев назад

Very impressive video, one of the best comparison videos I've ever seen, your editing skills continue to develop and it's much appreciated. Detailed, informative and impartial. I'm sure this will be very useful to those with deep pockets.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Wow, thank you! So glad you noticed the edit!

@SteveInskip 5 месяцев назад

My pockets are deep enough so I can’t reach the cash. 😂😂

@forkyRS6 5 месяцев назад

I have a 1200GSA 2018 and have a 1300 coming in March following a very enjoyable test ride. I agree with majority of your comments but the overwhelming difference I noticed riding them back to back was the wind protection. My GSA has the standard but much bigger screen than the GS but some work in the wind tunnel has worked miracles. There was 10pct of the buffeting riding the new vs old at slow medium and higher speeds.

@mrbonkers2613 5 месяцев назад

An excellent review. Very helpful to owners of 1200s contemplating writing the big cheque!

@rivencsky 5 месяцев назад

Awesome review! Loved the comparison and detail review on the gear box. Cheers

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Thanks! 👍

@ewendavidson8787 5 месяцев назад

Great video, you’ve made an excellent job of the comparisons! I like my GS’s, I’m on my 9th GS in 20 years but I’m struggling with justifying the cost of a new bike,. You also highlighted what’s available in the Used GS Market! A lot of nice low mileage 1200GS’s available for £10,000 and less! Great video, well done 👏👏

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@GrandSolarEclipse Месяц назад

Where can I get a low like GS for £10,000? A website link?

@markwroblewski3821 5 месяцев назад

Very good comparison, I considered the new GS, went for the RS instead as it was more suited my riding and worked out a good few ££ cheaper. One thing I would like is the radar which the Innov kit will resolve. It would be interesting to see what happens to the second hand values for the 1250/1200/1150 now. ........ when you take bikes like the Kawasaki H2SXSE/ Ducati V4 Multi's they are all going north of £20k+

@thomasgeser8486 5 месяцев назад

Best comparison on RU-vid so far. Well done. And I agree in every detail...

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Wow, thanks!

@mattmustoe2369 5 месяцев назад

Chapeau Andy, lots of people have commented on the editing, but the concentration to learn your lines and deliver them at the right times must have been huge (or many takes!). Either way, thank you for the effort!

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

I'm so glad people noticed my efforts - thank you!

@simongreenaway4801 5 месяцев назад

I found the 1300 to have lost more character, felt very focused and stiffer & im still not sold on the looks . I’m waiting for the adventure model

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

I think there are a lot of people in that same boat!

@jeanjacques9980 5 месяцев назад

GSA due in September ‘24.

@simongreenaway4801 5 месяцев назад

And I’m no gs hater btw I’ve owned over 10

@dartmoormole 5 месяцев назад

Great video. Personally I sold my GS and bought a vsrtom 650. Never been happier!

@mathullaparampil 3 месяца назад

😊i have the same bike like yours ..2015 model..and i am a keen fan of your videos.. I love my bike... and hats off to you for keeping that bike in great nick.. Keep riding ❤

@alanbuller3371 5 месяцев назад

I think you nailed it! Great comparison.

@supergnorf 5 месяцев назад

Nice sum up as always, Andy! Don't think the older GS'es will lose their appear or shine as a result of the coming of the 1300GS. Perhaps the contrary. And, as many would agree, it's seldomly a good idea to buy the first generation of a new model anyway. And we know the old GS can last for almost half an eternity. Proof is in both the pudding and on youtube. I did a wee under 35.000 miles on a 2016 1200GSA over the course of 3 seasons.. More than half of that with a software update package that gave the engine almost the same amount of bhp as a 1250, and almost the same amount of torque. For £360ish that was a cheap, if somewhat fake, 1250 :) Fuel consumption was vastly improved. well if you rode normally. I've no doubt the new GS is a nice bike, but for big/tall blokes like myself the shrinking isn't necessarily an advantage. And as for looks well, the asymmetrical appearance of the old bike never bothered me. A bit like us humans one could say. Handling-wise, anyone who's done a considerable amount of miles on a 1200GS/GSA, or 1250, probably will ask themselves the question if it is worth all the extra cash. I think the used ones will be as popular now, as the generation before them. The question for many people might be whether or not they need all the fancy-schmanzy stuff. Or if they need a new beemer to ride comfortably on long hauls. Having been down through Europe multiple times for the old GS(A) I can't say I think it would matter to me. I've since gone over to the orange side. Late 2024 KTM owners will likely face the same questions. Whether or not the new model(s) are more attractive than the older. Cheers.

@robertcorbett4720 5 месяцев назад

I like the concept of this video Andy and maybe a subset of your comparison between the new 1300 and the previous 1200/1250 models should focus on insurance. I’m reading quite a few comments on 1300GS related forums that folks trading up to the new model are either finding their existing insurer declining to quote or applying a significant premium increase

@jeanjacques9980 5 месяцев назад

Highly interesting and relevant comment in these days of inflation busting insurance increases year on year. A local in Beckenham had their GSA stolen from inside their garage and the garage is part of the house. In the 50s/60s, my parents used to leave the front door unlocked and the car was frequently left unlocked. I feel that theft is probably the highest risk factor for the insurance hikes but cost of spares must be a close second contributory factor. Catalytic exhaust thefts are a problem in area for car owners.

@stephenspiteri_zunkus 5 месяцев назад

I think you did a great job with this. Most riders looking t the 1300 are already GS users which are tempted to upgrade. This review is exactly what is required.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

CHeers Stephen - I have a similar review of the 1250 v 1300 coming in due course (already filmed)

@geoffhillier8060 5 месяцев назад

A great and really balanced review. I have a 12 very much like yours as a result of your previous reviews and enthusiasm. I have loved it since I got it and it provided amazing value for money second hand with a 2 year warranty. Of course if money were no issue a 1300 would be lovely, but until there are a good number of used bikes around, my trusty 12 will serve me well. I may go to the 1250 in between.cheers

@patdwyer6274 5 месяцев назад

Great video but I think I'll stick with my 1150. Less to go wrong and looks better then any of the rest. Also leaves me with a heap of cash to enjoy life with! 🙂

@derekp2674 5 месяцев назад

I used to own an R1150RT and wow have these newer bikes become much more complicated! One thing not mentioned in this review was luggage. My 'RT came with the standard issue BMW tupperware (er sorry top box and panniers) and those items worked well for everything from shopping trips to solo camping expeditions. I even had a tent that was small enough to fit inside the top box, so I could tour without the need for any soft luggage bungeed on.

@betterl8thanever 5 месяцев назад

I've got an 1150, upgraded bits n bobs including Gemi chip, once I get new suspension it's everything I need in a bike. Too many speed cameras ,potholes, traffic etc etc.

@TheZanshen 5 месяцев назад

I had the 1150 then changed but went back and got 1100 which was better built in my opinion. Kept my 1100 for 14 yrs .But rode a vfr 1200x crosstourer and sold the 1100 . The 1200x is superb and Hondas best kept secret that went under the radar in the adventure bike category.

@Banditmanuk 5 месяцев назад

Never owned a GS. The 1300 does appeal to me. I don't think I would be disappointed with the power. Most of the tech I could do without and the lack of a rear light cluster I really don't like. Like the editing style, camera, and audio, all good. Think you might be getting the hang of this RU-vid thing 😉

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Cheers mate - I’ve had 16 years of practice!!

@carlosmarques6918 5 месяцев назад

Fantastic video... congrats!

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Thank you very much for watching and stopping by!

@andresbustamantehulsbus9187 28 дней назад

Thank you, excellent Review

@Motoscotty 5 месяцев назад

Having came from a 2018 1200 to the Tramuntana 1300, it’s a significant upgrade in my opinion. A completely different bike

@derranstokes8760 5 месяцев назад

Another great video, Andy. The looks of the new 1300GS are too radical for my tastes, especially the headlight. Having spent most of Saturday in the BMW dealer deliberating between an R1250RT and an R1250 GSA, I have decided to go for the latter. All being well, the new bike should be with me in late January/ early February.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Congratulations and enjoy!

@maxflight777 5 месяцев назад

If you are often found wearing a cardigan? … go for the RT. Otherwise a GSA

@derekp2674 5 месяцев назад

@@maxflight777 I enjoyed owning my R1150RT ("pipe &slippers edition") - it could be a real wolf in sheep's clothing when I wanted that.

@ejdtm 5 месяцев назад

Great comparison video👍🏽

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Glad you think so!

@philipTOMPSETT 5 месяцев назад

Fantastic vid as always. Thanks

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

My pleasure!

@jameswalton8532 5 месяцев назад

Keep the 1200, get the fuel map tuned, it gives a almost flat power curve, smooths the delivery perfectly, no flat spots! Feels like a new bike again! Jb

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

I hadn't thought of that!

@jameswalton8532 5 месяцев назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer you could make a good video of the remapping process!

@johnDukemaster 5 месяцев назад

@@jameswalton8532 Now, that's a good idea!

@jameswalton8532 5 месяцев назад

@@johnDukemaster had my 2018 GSA done at a reputable place near me last year. Fully tuned on the Dyno, money back, original map back if not happy with the result. Slightly more horse power at the wheel, 119 bhp but the big gain is the smoothnes, better idle, silky smooth acceleration in all gears and fuel economy is better. No reliability issues, I rode it to the arctic circle recently without missing a beat, video on my channel. They come out of the factory super lean it's just a case of correcting mix. Jb

@petewelsh9978 3 месяца назад

@@jameswalton8532 where did you get your remap done?

@amigojefe7708 5 месяцев назад

I'm a pre LC 1200 owner - I've owned newer boxer engine bikes too. I don't think that the GS is special enough anymore and the KTM 1290 in my garage confirms this for me. If my old girl ever gives up, I think I'll move away from BMW motorcycles for good - that is how disappointed I was with the 1300 ride I've had. Nothing wrong with it but missing that unmeasurable feeling all great bikes should give you

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

I agree 100%

@xfactor5876 5 месяцев назад

I have had a number of BMW bikes and all except 1 has been used. The new price has always been well outside of what I am willing to spend. As a matter of fact, that is how I ended up with my first new Triumph. Couldn't swallow the price of the BMW, so I switched brands. Outstanding review. Thanks.

@davidz8 5 месяцев назад

What a great comparison video, it will be so useful for anyone looking to change from a 1200/50 to a 1300, glad to see so many others noticed how difficult that edit must have been. I controversially much prefer the looks of the 1300, it is a bike I would now look at when I come to change my bike.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@TwoGoTouring 5 месяцев назад

Great review as usual. The 1200 is a great bike and the 1250 kept the rugged purposeful looks as you say and the 1250 engine was a step forward. I wonder how we all would have reacted if the 1300 engine was fitted in a 1250 frame with maybe only minor cosmetic alterations and kept the purposeful look ? I like the twin headlights on the Ducati desert X and Ducati have hidden the radar pretty well on the Multistrada, so makes you wonder what the BMW designers were thinking. BMW really need to pull one out of the bag with the GSA !

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Yes, I think they do, and had they put this new engine and the radar technology on a bike that looks like the outgoing machine I think they would’ve had a real winner on their hands without so much of this controversy. However, Time will tell how the new machine sells and if BMW really have dropped a Clangar.

@petervautmans199 5 месяцев назад

As my S1000XR was nearing 90 000 kms I was looking for a possible replacement, and i came to the conclusion that a bike with my specs, full set of paniers etc would come in at between 25 and 30 k €. I decided to go for a 2009 full option K1300GT with 23000 kms on the clock for less then 9000. And I kept the XR, so I now have two high end but different bikes in the garage for a lot less monnies. I wanted a shaft drive for winter/bad weather but i don't fancy the boxer engine, so I now have a very nice 4cilinder with a shaft drive and lots of protection for the winter and the fantastic XR for the summer.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Sounds good to me!

@jbuckley2546 5 месяцев назад

Seamless video, excellent comparison.

@couttsy222 5 месяцев назад

Great editing there!!

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Thanks!!

@simondemetriou7750 5 месяцев назад

Great comparo………..I’ve heard some testers say that the pillion seat on the 1300 is not very comfortable though, so that might be worth a comparison too!

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Coming soon - a video on just that!

@stephennewell6628 5 месяцев назад

Fair assessment Andy, great new bike and worth it over the 1200, not so sure about if it’s worth it over a 1250 yet. Agree that it just doesn’t do it looks wise, not that it’s bad but it’s lost the thing that makes you look back as you walk away. Think I’ll stick to my 1250 for a few years. Enjoying Japan!

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

I have a video comparing the 1250 and 1300 coming soon!

@inked-96 5 месяцев назад

It's not worth 10k more than my 2019 GSA 1200 TE.😅

@Fernando90054 5 месяцев назад

Never have seen a Big GS that weren’t an expensive bike. They always have been costly bikes to get new. The 1300 GS is a big change and by that side maybe it’s hard for the ones who were happy with the 1200 and 1250 GS’s that the model like it used to be is im soon passing behind to a page in history. I can perfectly understand that. At the same time the new 1300 GS is giving the first steps and it’s a different kind of GS. Very composed but not quite finished. It will be refined and perfected with Time. For a Bike that is totally new, it was born with a lot of novelties. Consequently, BMW wants to capitalize all the new things that are now offered. The fans of the old model will take some time to adapt, but I believe they will end up coming around, sooner or later. The different question to know is if this new Bike will gather a big interest from new comers to the Brand and this new version of GS. That’s what we don’t know yet. I used to love the 1250 , but this 1300 GS is even easier to like, due to all the things it ads to the riding experience, which in my opinion it’s a lot. I don’t need to wait for the GSA , because for my longer trips I prefer the BMW 1250 RT. The 1300 GS is spot on 👌🏻 Thanks, the comparing video is awesome!

@inked-96 5 месяцев назад

@@Fernando90054 Out the fsctory, most bikes are expensive. But say a 2015/16 GSA TE are around d 8k. I don't find that expensive. Considering say the new Tracer 900GT Plus is 15k...

@stephennewell6628 5 месяцев назад

@@Fernando90054 I fully understand your point of view, but for me as I grow older I now don’t need the latest thing, to be an early adopter, god willing in a few years time I will need a new bike, and I will certainly look at the 1300 or 1400 or what ever is out there at the time. My point is that I will not be upgrading just to upgrade, the 1300 hasn’t make me go weak at the knees with desire, for which I am both pleased and sad, but hey no at least I save money, for now! They will sell like hot cakes, we will all get used to the looks and we will all be riding them given the passage of time. The best thing is, at least it’s not electric!

@JohannesDalen 5 месяцев назад

Great, informative video! I saw the new 1300gs for the first time with my own eyes yesterday, and I thought it looked absolutely brilliant. The job BMW done is incredible, looked and felt so much sportier, smaller and more aggressive. I can't wait to test ride it once the snow melts!

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

In that case I think you’ll love it!

@kevinpick194 5 месяцев назад

Really good real-world comparison. I'm riding a 1250 TE Exclusive at the moment and not considering a change/upgrade at the moment.

@2Bob_Rocket 5 месяцев назад

Another great review 😀👍🏼 looks are very much in the eye of the beholder, I like the looks and styling, BMW had no choice but to change the light design due to EU roles. Taking inflation into account your old 1200 would be around £19k so given the level of kit, refinement, performance etc I say it was worth the money 🙂

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Fair enough! And it’s not the light I’ve decided but that radar blanking plate that makes the front look naff….

@Tangotop 5 месяцев назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer have to agree, the radar plate is just a blank nothing. This is where I have my camera on my GSA

@jeanjacques9980 5 месяцев назад

It’s more about the ugly BMW interpretation of the new EU regs, it will be interesting to see if other manufacturers go down the ‘X’ road, I doubt it. Very helpful review, the price of the new GSA will make eyes water and painfully effect the lower anatomy. I assume most will purchase on finance contract and not feel the pain of parting with £25+K! Great summary at the end.

@thecorporategypsy 5 месяцев назад

I have the 16 GS with 54k miles. The look of the 1300 is really growing on me. My concern is buying a first year model

@louisgara8754 5 месяцев назад

A first model year buyer is BMW's beta tester. This has been proven over and over again.

@thecorporategypsy 5 месяцев назад

@@louisgara8754 thats my fear. I don’t want to be out in the woods and discover “problems”

@ralphblundell 5 месяцев назад

Excellent as always. thanks

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@curnobullen 5 месяцев назад

I really like the new GS, I currently ride a 1250GS, and the best thing on the 1300GS is the ride height device. I absolutely love it. I do roughly 20 000 miles a year touring and commuting. I reckon I will keep my 1250 as a commuter and hopefully one day finance will allow me to get the 1300. Great video TMF.

@MsDenver2 5 месяцев назад

If your not keen on the 1300 looks of the front what about upgrading to the 1250 as that has some very good upgrades and you keep that big road presence, also you can probably get a good deal on the 1250 ?😊👍

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

I have a video comparing the 1250 and 1300 coming soon!

@MH-xd2nd 5 месяцев назад

Nice side by side comparison Andy - very slick. It’s pretty clear that virtually no reviews I’ve seen have much if anything negative to say about it, and even setting aside the smoke and mirrors over the actual weight reduction, like for like, it’s clearly a better, faster and more agile bike than either the 1250 or the 1200. But at what price? When talking about price inflation is meaningless. Wage growth over the last 10 years has been the slowest since records began, so it’s not the amount today of your 1200GS with inflation that matters, it’s the absolute cost, and that means in real terms that the 1300 is much, much more expensive for the average buyer. If I had 20K I’d be much happier spending it on two or even three very good polar opposite bikes that would be more fulfilling and more fun. Then, what’s the most stolen big bike in the UK? Yes, you guessed it! So forget parking it in any UK town overnight and good luck with insurance without a tracker, garage, the right post code and a willing broker. I also realised over many years of big GS ownership (it took long enough, blame BMW marketing and cheap finance) that I don’t like the boxer engine. It sounds awful, chugs along and never feels exciting or engaging, no matter how fast you are going, and no amount of polishing will take away its basic character. Give me an IL4 screamer any day! And finally, I don’t care how good a bike is - it has to look good. Yeah you can’t see the front end when you’re riding but you will every single time you get off and walk away and you will every time you go into your garage. There are so many better looking bikes out there with 99% of features and fun at a much lower price - even within the GS range. So price, engine character and looks mean a big fat no from me.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Very fair points well made!

@MH-xd2nd 5 месяцев назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer that’s not to say it won’t break BMW sales records though. They clearly know their market.

@maxflight777 5 месяцев назад

1:53 I totally agree with the “looks/style” observations you made! 👍🏻👍🏻

@Kornholeeoo 5 месяцев назад

I’ve been watching your channel for years. I have a Harley FatBoy S and I had wanted a GSA for a long time too. I got one in September knowing full well the 1300 was soon coming. But I liked the look of the 1250 so much and found a new Triple Black for a great price so I got it. I know you have been talking about upgrading many times over the years. I think you’re ready and it’s clear you like this new 1300. Life is precious and short. But it’s your money so the decision is yours alone. Thanks for sharing your rides and knowledge with us for all these years!

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching!

@GAS1200 5 месяцев назад

1300 is not a GS anymore! It's more GStrom. Not for me.

@Andy-mg9nw 5 месяцев назад

The 1250 looks so good. I find the 1300 lacks identity

@CCooke-nm2be 5 месяцев назад

Your the best in the business Andy. Great review 👍

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Wow, thanks!

@johnsamson-snell9558 5 месяцев назад

I agree with most of the comments. The price and the looks are my issues with the new bike. I won’t be changing mine anytime soon. Great review. Best so far!

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

I'm with you! Thanks for watching.....

@NULUSIOS 5 месяцев назад

Very nice, thanks.

@bmano7850 5 месяцев назад

Fantastic video… thanks from a fan in Australia 🇦🇺 🙏🏼

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for watching!

@ianseddon9347 5 месяцев назад

Excellent as usual - a very interesting comparison, as you say for many including me that price is a big BIG stumbling block. Thank you for a great video.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

My pleasure!

@markbur1503 5 месяцев назад

A great video as usual Andy, you have done very professional editing there too! I agree with what you say about price. It's a lot of money compared to the latest previous model. However.. Someone has to buy them for the rest of us to get a look- in a few years time when they are older.. I've just bought a used V Strom 650 based on your review...

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Cool! ….and thanks for noticing the editing!

@markbur1503 5 месяцев назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer You've just got to learn how to morph the 2 clips together to show it as a seamless clip..😁👌

@kramnam4716 5 месяцев назад

Top work Andy 👌

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Thank you....

@Bazza47 5 месяцев назад

Nice one Andy, very interesting video 👍Having had 3 GS' I've jumped ship to a 1250RS. Each time I bought my 2 1200s and the 1250 GS the cost between similar R's, RS's and GS's was prity evenly spread out with the R being the cheapest, the RS in the middle and the GS the most expensive. That still applies with the price gap between the R and RS similar to what it's always been, but even the cost of the outgoing 1250GS increased far more than the other 2 and the 1300 now makes the gap even bigger. As an example the 22.5k you quote for a spangled up GS is 6.5k more than a new 1250RS SE with loads of options. I'm sure it'll sell well, but to achieve the same or better sales volumes it'll need to attract new converts as I'm sure I won't be the only current 1200/1250 GS owner who rules the new 1300 out on cost alone for those buying one outright and the current interest rates won't be doing it any favours for the PCP brigade either.

@racerdaveracerdave 5 месяцев назад

I have to say many if the improvements you cite for the 1300 is what I felt in my 15 GS when I first got it! While I certainly think the new one would be better still, I can't fault the performance of the old one enough to displace it. It does everything well, has creature comforts (including the auto-preload suspension you mentioned on the 1300) that I can't see reason enough to change.

@robynmolle5842 5 месяцев назад

Well done 👍🏻, think I’ll keep my 1200 for now

@ChrisSmart1 5 месяцев назад

Thanks Andy, i love the 1300 no issues with looks for me but i'm still calling it from my comment on your first ride review, be nice later this year when you get one.😁😉

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Stay tuned and I'm happy to take a bet with you on that ;0)

@Andy.N-_- 5 месяцев назад

Great video, l liked the way you went from one bike to another really effctive

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Thanks! 👍

@abudhabidel1 5 месяцев назад

Well thought through and well presented. I'm so glad I treated myself to a GS1250 TE new in late 2021.Not being an arse, but price is not my No.1 concern - I just can't get past those blanking plates - and the 'scaffolding' exposed frame is something I love - I'll just keep mine until I hang up my boots and lid! Keep 'em coming Andy!

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Will do - cheers!

@SuperchargedLlama 5 месяцев назад

Brilliantly edited TMF! You've done a fantastic job with it. And the content is really engaging and well compared. If you ever decide to sell the 1200 do let me know, yours is expected exactly how I'd want.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

If you are serious please drop me a mail to my themissendenflyer at G Mail address with your details and I'll keep them incase.....

@matsrekdal3065 5 месяцев назад

Great vid! Have had several big GS's, and my last bike was a Multistrada V4s. Tried a 1300 GS demo, and must say: I consider the Multistrada V4s just as electronically advanced as the 1300, and Ducati managed to have a dedicated button for heated grips. BMW should be able to as well. The Multi doesn't have an el.windshield, but with the ease of adjustment it offers, it doesn't need one. All it takes is one finger for one second at any speed, and you have the windshield exactly where you want it. Preferably, instead of using the menu for adjustment on the GS. Also, i don't understand why BMW would not give us the opportunity of adjusting preload manually. Again, you can set the Multistrada in Auto and forget about it, or you can play with it manually and choose between 24 settings. This, along with 5 different suspension modes, gives you a wide range of settings to choose from. The quickshifter is also in another league on the Multistrada, especially on the Rally. I'm 6 ft. 4", and after riding the demo bike, i quickly decided i will wait for the Adventure model. I have no worries, it will be a great bike. 😊

@bsmukler 5 месяцев назад

This was a wonderful review, not only for the detailed, side-by-side comparison, but also from the aspect of those of us who are well familiarized with the GS variants. The quality of your point of view videography and audio allow us to hear and get a sense of the feeling of riding the bikes. Given the nearly ten year gap, it’s interesting that the roll-on sound and cruising sound of the 1300 are immediately recognizable as those of a typical GS. The outward appearance of a redesign was bound to split opinion (which is probably a good thing from a marketing standpoint, since it generates buzz and over excited controversy). I actually like the new lights, especially when viewed at night, and I think I would completely forget about the radar panels, as I have on my Multistradas.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

But on the Multi they don't look particularly ugly - Ducati did a good job of almost hiding/integrating them into that handsome front.....

@bsmukler 5 месяцев назад

That’s true typical Italian attention to design. I recently purchased the V4 Rally, which is a dream.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

....nice....

@chrisdagnall8666 5 месяцев назад

Nice comparison this is what existing GS owners have been waiting for. The decision to go with a new bike vs an evolution of the previous version must have been a tough decision and the responsibility of the design team huge. Personally I think they have pulled it off, I like the looks and have had a ride and think it’s superb and don’t understand some of the negativity.

@wrb6483 4 месяца назад

Great video. I’ve yet to see the new bike in person, but from everything I have seen, I completely agree with you on the looks. Also, the functions that are hidden behind menus in the TFT is a big turnoff. I love being able to adjust my suspension as well as turn on/off heated grips at the press of a button. I’m leery of the various new electric bits: motorized windscreen, center stand, luggage locks, radars and blind spot detection… more things to fail, and everything will be that much more expensive to fix/replace when they do.

@jonnny1 5 месяцев назад

Great video as always Andy. You're right though, the new 1300 is awesome but the price tag is a stretch when you look at an older model, which I guess will be the case with most new bikes/cars. The looks are divisive from the front but, overall, I could cope with that for the extra performance etc.

@JezNashMusic 5 месяцев назад

Superb vid! Love how you edited it to give a real side-by-side comparison feel - really clever, and I hope others appreciate this! Totally agree as regards the looks. You know if they just inverted the light/radar unit so that the blank plate was below the headlight I think that would improve the looks no end…. I must admit it’s not tempting me away from the GSA, but I’m excited to see what the 1400 is going to look like! EDIT: Just had a scroll through some of the comments, and it is clear that others have also noticed the editing skills. Great stuff!!

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Cheers Jez - I'm so pleased the editing went down well because it is quite mind bending putting that together as you clearly appreciate!

@JezNashMusic 5 месяцев назад

@@TheMissendenFlyerI'll bet it is. I can only surmise that you must have had to map out (on an actual map) which aspect of each bike you were planning to cover and at which geographical position, and *then* commit it all to memory. Am I right?

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Pretty much yes!

@_Corsa 5 месяцев назад

I bit the bullet in ‘21 to buy a new GS. I cannot afford to do that again. Thank you for the video!

@paulv22 5 месяцев назад

Very well done comparison. Thanks Andy. I ride an R1250RS and I'm curious what the 1300 version will be like. I'd actually consider moving to an 1300GS for comfort, but there is the question of price. I think BMW made two mistakes though. Moving the keyless on/off switch to the bars means less space for buttons I'll use while riding. Having it in the typical, middle position worked just fine. Also, I don't like the idea of no traditional rear light. This strikes me as a big mistake from a safety perspective and I hope the aftermarket comes out with one that can be added. The HEX EZcan has functionality to control an extra brake light so this should be doable.

@marklloyd69 5 месяцев назад

I’ve been deliberating over a 1250 TE for some time (coming from the lighter 900 Rally Pro). I’ve had several test rides and was convinced a new 1250 was for me. Right up until I rode the 1300 GS. Just wow. Agile, felt like a smaller enduro bike with shed loads of power and refinement. Deposit finally went on the 1300 based partly on TMF and TP1’s ongoing assessment. Loved the test rides and can’t wait to take delivery.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Congratulations, and enjoy the new bike!

@michaeldevoe9235 5 месяцев назад

As a 2018 R1200 GSA rider, and yes still love my 1200 too…thank you for the great comparison…about the best video out there on it, as you are living with both at the moment!The evolution is why we upgrade a bike or a car for that matter, more tech, capability, or versatility as needs change . Still the benchmark bike. The “X” light is just as unique as when BMW came out with the sideways “8” . Love all the technology with the new bike, the increased agility, a little weight loss, and I know the quick shifter issues I live with were mostly resolved on the 1250. But I adjust my cursing as I work through it ;) Not in the market right now, but if I were it would be to fetch a new 1300. Thank you again for the detailed look.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

My pleasure - thank you for watching and for stopping by!

@StoicMoto 5 месяцев назад

Excellent video as always. I've actually been considering a preowned 1200/1250 because they will likely become even more of a bargain now that the 1300 is out as both current and prospective GS owners may be looking to the upgrade.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Go for it!

@daveb1242 5 месяцев назад

Excellent review my friend. I think I might just hang on to my mint 2010 1200 GSA. BTW I agree with you on the looks

@DeanElcome 5 месяцев назад

Enjoyed watching! I'm a recent 'convert' to the world of GS, and contemplated the 1300 but from the spy shots and specs occasionally cropping up on the internet I was strongly put off by the looks, and the overall size. It looks significantly smaller (although it probably isn't) and I'm a sucker for a manly and purposeful looking bike so I ended up buying a 1250GSA with the bling gold wheels. I do concede that the 1300 seems better in many ways, but not in the ones I find important to me. I'll be waiting for your R1400GS video as and when to convince me otherwise!

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

I think you made an excellent choice!

@andrewmanahan2469 5 месяцев назад

Thanks Andy - as always a great piece. I decided to test drive one last week based on your first review and I agreed with you 100%. We are the same height and I daresay the same type of rider. I bought the TE with variable height which is a godsend. Yes I feel very poor indeed but this bike will be a 'keeper' and on that basis the money hurts a little bit less. It truly is an everything bike. Comfy, handles well and goes like hell when you want it to. Thanks again for all your (and Mrs Flyers) fabulous shows. Andrew

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Enjoy your new bike Andrew - congratulations! How long until you get it??

@andrewmanahan2469 5 месяцев назад

Hi Andy, Found the exact spec in stock yesterday and jumped on it so should collect it on Saturday. I will be feeling poor !! @@TheMissendenFlyer

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Wow fantastic!!

@LexPips 5 месяцев назад

Yes you’re spot on, the looks & price would keep me away from the newer 1300. Maybe in a few years BMW will have changed its appearance, I’d wait ‘n see.

@Gary-UBIQUE144 5 месяцев назад

My first GS was the R1200GS LC 2013, loved the bike but last year px’d for the R1250GS Adventure Rallaye & absolutely love it. Even if I had the money I wouldn’t swap for the 1300, however I don’t dislike the 1300 I just think it’s not worth the extra outlay of money from what I’ve already got. Great comparison video, keep up the excellent work.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Yes I’m with you - thanks for watching!

@markfenlon7049 5 месяцев назад

Interesting and informative video, thanks Andy for your great efforts. Always a bit tricky......buying the all-new latest model against the later previous incarnations. You mentioned a 2017 1200GS at half the price of the 1300GS in your video........food for thought.

@SteveInskip 5 месяцев назад

Good vid Andy. If you start to have issues with present BM then upgrade, otherwise keep the one you have if it suits your needs.

@k4rlogser165 5 месяцев назад

I was on my 4th GS, last one a 1250 rallye spec TE I had a demo on the 1300 at the end of November & after a demo ride of 90 mins walked back in the showroom did a deal & placed my order. I think the 1300 is so confidence inspiring, handles way better than the outgoing model. Might not be everyone’s choice but certainly mine. Cheers for the vid 👍

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Congratulations - enjoy your new bike!

@maxflight777 5 месяцев назад

Exactly my experience. With the forged wheels and other items I’m having to wait for a June delivery !😢

@thomasatwood484 5 месяцев назад

I have a ‘13 1200GS. Just upgraded the ESA suspension last year w Tractive shocks, which still let me use all the ESA modes. My favorite bike ever and after 73k miles on it I have no plans to upgrade any time soon. For 1-up backroads touring I just can’t see why you’d need more power, and while I will do highway to get to far flung riding areas, I avoid it whenever I have the time.

@springy-2112 5 месяцев назад

Age caught up withe and i couldnt haul my 1150rt about or my 1200 bandit so they've all gone . I now have a 21year old f650gs . its so much fun You can load it up with luggage . You have to use all of it's 50 bhp you can easily use it off road and it weighs about 190k loaded and wet. Ive alwYs loved massive bikes but now appreciate smaller ones. Great video Andy very informative and well put together. I think your 1200 is just lovely . After all you have a goldwing for different touring situations.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Very true....and I do love that Wing!

@shadowred1980 5 месяцев назад

Great job editing this one. I cant remember another bike, where so many youtubers have the same spec machine, in for longer term review at the same time. BMW Uk sure putting the effort in. At top side of £20k I think a retail one of these will be a rare sight on the road. Looking forward to the 1250 vs 1300 review. :)

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

That review is coming soon! But which of the other You Tubers have run their own GS for 10 years and ridden 10's of thousands of miles on other peoples??? Just sayin'

@shadowred1980 5 месяцев назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer Exactly, which is why your option counts highly. You have also spent money on a selection of bikes, not just one or two. Like you did with the 899, perhaps if a pre reg deal is out there for a 1250. Rather than the big step up to the 1300 it might make the upgrade cost worth it. It's why so many of us value your advice, when in many cases your spending your own cash on them. :)

@WDM54 5 месяцев назад

Great comparison! Appreciate your clearly honest review and although the 1300 is better in most areas, I’ll hold on to my 1250 until at least BMW re-designs the less than desirable front and puts a taillight on the bike. Thanks again for another great review!

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

My pleasure!

@MikeBMW1028 5 месяцев назад

Excellent comparison between the R1200 and R1300GS. As someone who has had 7 GS’s over the years, I’m very interested in the 1300. However, unlike previous GS purchases, I’m still in love with my R1250GS and have added several accessories-making it just right for me. Oh well, I guess it’s going to depend on the next few months as the 1300’s start making their way into the US. Thanks for your content, I watch a lot of RU-vid videos on various motorcycles and respect your point of view.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@brettroman3218 5 месяцев назад

Excellent review and comparo Andy.Its way too rich for me but great vid all the same!

@jenson74951 5 месяцев назад

Great review as always, Andy. I ride a ducati 1260 multistrada, and think it's one of the best looking adventure bikes out there, the new GS seems to be a fantastic bike, BUT I could never get over those looks...if I was to change to a GS, I'd go for the old style.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

I'm with you buddy....

@UncleWally3 5 месяцев назад

ADV Magazine wrote that BMW recently reported, “The boxer models R 1250 GS and R 1250 GS Adventure also delivered their customary strong performance, with sales of around 56,000 units. Together with the new R 1300 GS (4,528 units), which has been on sale since autumn 2023, the three GS models once again made a significant contribution to BMW Motorrad’s record sales of 60,535 units (+1.62%).” Not to shoddy . . .

@peteroneill2633 5 месяцев назад

Great review, been waiting for that type of review. For ten years difference not that much better. I know where I would put my money. I still a fan of the 1200 and 1250. 17:34 Job well done and appreciated. 👍

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Thank you....

@bankruptpensioner 5 месяцев назад

great vid

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

cheers!

@alanprice9938 5 месяцев назад

A very effective way to make a comparison…. I like it 😃👍 I like the way the light and radar look…..think I prefer it to the radar on my multi, but as we discussed the other day, I wish the colour options were better. I think it’ll look amazing in the red/white/blue HP set up. I did find the 1200 and 1250 a bit lacking, for example on a long hill, two up, and trying to overtake, say from 70 to 85. The reason I bought the multi v4 is that it didn’t even feel the extra weight on a long/steep hill at cruising speeds….. I’m talking about the long uphill runs you get on the continental autoroutes etc. I’m guess the 1300 will fix that.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

The radar on the multi is so much better looking!

@centralcoastcruiser2084 5 месяцев назад

Thx Andy, I love that green color and the the overall looks I like too. I can't wait to try one although they are just now coming to the US and the shops here are only getting (2) as I was told from my local BMW dealership which means they will quickly be snatched up and most of us will have to wait a while to get to ride one.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

They do ride beautifully....but just can't get past the looks myself....

@centralcoastcruiser2084 5 месяцев назад

@@TheMissendenFlyer I get it, that's how I feel about the KTM's

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Me too!

@JasonRobbins71 5 месяцев назад

This is the review series I have been waiting for. I have a 2016 R1200GS and the only thing I really hate is the old school clocks, so looking to upgrade to a1250 or 1300. I think you should also mention the cruse control blob at the back is only if you option the £700+ package with the blind spot. If you don't have that then it also looks like the screen at the front covers that plate more so the looks with the screen down are improved. Also if updating with a full set of luggage it's another £1300 for the new vario ones with power (which also are a bit divisive in looks) as the old ones wont fit, another saving going to a late 1250.

@TheMissendenFlyer 5 месяцев назад

Yes I shall be covering all that in future videos - stay tuned!