Racing Games - How to setup the Suspensions 

I wish there was a dialog in these games like "Your tuning setup is absolutely STUPID! Are you still sure you want to save it?"

Good video but I'll just add... Toe you don't need to adjust that much. And you possibly should mention that if out have too much toe out on the front than the car will start to wander under breaking. Also that you should never use negative toe out on the rear. I personally hardly ever touch this setting. And if you're talking about alignment I'm surprised you didn't mention castor. Basically caster is the angle that the steering rod pivot is connected to the front tyre. Too little angle and the steering will be all over the place but too great an angle and the steering will feel dead in the center. Again this is not something I ever change much. Although there are situations where you can use this setting to add slightly more toe with certain cars. Anyway... Spring rate you ought to adjust first than tweek dampers to your liking in combination. It's more about finding a compromise between how quickly the car gets "set" going into a corner, that is from when you first initiate a turn to when the car is actually making the turn. If you use too little spring than the wallow but if you use too much then the car will become ridiculously twitchy to drive. As you correctly pointed out. You should then set dampers relative to how stiff your springs are. That is stiffer springs ought to need slightly more damper. Too little damper and the car will pogo up and down but if you use too much than you're not using the full potential of the springs. And it's probably better to use slightly less rebound damper than bump damper to increase the response from when the springs become uncompressed. And I'm surprised that you didn't talk about ride height - at least in relation to suspension. Normally you want to have this as low as possible to lower the center of mass of the car and thus limit the amount of load that is transferred between the wheel while turning but if you have it too low not only will you have issues with the chassis bottoming out and hitting the road you will also have issues with limiting the amount of travel the suspension is actually able to do. The upshot of this being that you should use stiffer springs and more damper the lower you plan to run the car to compensate for this lack of travel. Also it's probably worth mentioning that downforce can have a massive effect on the cars springs. That is a car with high aeronautical downforce is going to need stiffer springs than a road car, just to offset the load produced by the aero. With all that out of the way... Personally I find it better to think of anti-roll bars as being like the trim of the car. That is all things being equal and you have the spring and damper of the car set correctly than these ought to be neutral. That is if you need to make major changes to correct the cars balance then you're possibly better off going back to changing the spring and damper settings. Once I get the balance of the car down then I'll play around with tyre pressure and camber to maximize the level of contact patch thus grip of the car. As well as the diff settings, brake balance rev limiters etc. Sorry for all the trainspotting crap but it does get a little bit frustrating when you see newbs become obsessed with setting up the car when in reality they'd be better off just practicing.

dude I love how in depth your videos are, so educational and useful in real life applications. A lot of the science that you're explaining helps me think about what I should do on my car for real life application. track of course, not necessary for street use.

That PSP sound at the start... brings back memories...

Dude, I feel like you're only one who managed to explain all this stuff so easly and quick.

Really helpful. Helped me a lot to understand what finally all these settings affect the car’s performance!

I'm just wondering, I have this theory / idea about ARB settings indirectly play with camber settings aswell? With stiff ARB setting the car rolls less. Doesn't that also mean you require 'less' camber for the tyres to have maximum ground contact? Same applies to having softer camber, more body roll so more camber required? Please correct me if i'm wrong!

Dude your intro is giving me nostalgia every single time!

A great thanks for sharing us your knowleges. I’ve been looking explanation like this for a while. You’re making really useful content for those who want to understand better tunning. Keep going on this way 👌. Merci aussi au gars qui a fait les sous-titres en fr, ça fait gagner un temps fou.

viperconcept your videos are gold dust, can you list in what order you tune the car just so i can follow, i guess its tyre pressures first?

*For the front camber* : drive 1 lap, then the inside part of the tire must be +-8 degrees hotter than the outside. Same for the rear but this time the inside must be +-6 degrees hotter. Setup the camber to match these values, remember that more negative camber mean more temperature gap between inside and outside. @viperconcept

Do you find you get competitive times with your camber settings for GT3s only being between -1.5 to -2.5? I almost run this on my daily driver, and my mechanic was telling me that for racing you'd run substantially more. I generally tune sim GT3 cars to have between -3.5 and -4.5 for the quickest hotlaps, and most understeer-defeating characteristics.

Clever Strategy -Driving on the Red Bull Ring to attract austrian people... well played sir, +rep for you

Alright, now i'm ready to beat hamilton..

This Video needs some more Gran Turismo "Style" CarSetup-Informations: 1) tune the Carsetup for Handling, NOT for Grip! 2) when you only stiffen anything on one axle, SpringRate, AntiRollbar or Damper, you are removing mechanical grip from that axle. 3) Anybody who says Camber removes/reduces cornering grip, doesn't understand points 1 & 2. 4) Increasing SpringRate push the wheels into the tarmac. 5) Increasing ARB tends to make the inside wheel light. 6) roll resistance is the total of SR and ARB Front & Rear. 8) When tuning the Suspension AND Differential most often you need to compensate, for adjusting one setting by adjusting a few more. 9) Toeangles are used to dial in fine handling between the Axles, unless from the compromise tuned SR, ARB, Damper, Diff and Ride Height setting. For Example: a low power FR car has wheel spin but your car is balanced in the corner, what to do?? Lower the ARB and raise the SpringRate. This will keep the roll resistance coupling the same BUT will make the inside tire more planted and capable of putting down the power. THIS WILL REQUIRE adjusting the differential to get the most out of. -regards

If this video series had its own playlist, so I wouldn't have to search for them, I would be so happy! inb4 I know there are links to other videos in descriptions. But playlists are IMO more convenient.

Please viper, do more setup instructional videos!!! Your channel is so unique when it comes to racing games, your tutorials and commentaries are amazingly good!

Tanks for the cookie, but i was eating cookies while watching... XD Saved my life, never forget...

New version of the older video you did? Awesome!

Third time visit here. Finally figured out initial parts' effects. However, still not very clear about adjust which part first and what's gonna be the best sequence to improve suspension. Needs more learning on that XD

20:00 omg haven´t seen Trial Mountain for While, very good exsample for bumpy road, still i was focusing only Sharpening my Driving, but no with Schematics: Camber, Antiroll bar, Srpings, Dampers etc. My Driving is more like LOT oversteer than under. Thank you for the Cookie

Great videos man, i made a whole playlist of you teaching about racing stratiges and setups. Keep up th good work man, you are a amazing teacher of racing!

You can not imagine the help you gave me with this video, I have a lot of cars to adjust the suspension in the Forza Motorsport 3 for example a Supra of 1050hp that is still sweeping at 320km / h

Ever tried playing gtsport with VR ? Edit: oh and added a instant like even without finishing the video lol

İ swear im gonna binge watch all your educational videos once i get a good computer And a wheel. Your awesome

You are the best bro this is the best setup guide i ever seen on RU-vid. Thanks a lot i understand a lot more now

This helped me so much on gran trismo 6!! Thanks alot!!

Can you explain a bit on gt sport's spring frequency?

There is 1 complaint I'm going to make that is missing here in this video. (And you HAVE to make a video to explain this) In Assetto Corsa the complexity of the Dampers (Some cars are different than others) and also the Advanced Suspension setups. (The tab for Advanced Suspension, that area can be rather confusing on some cars) How do you tune these? I cannot for the life of me understand how this works. I think Project Cars 2 even has something similar to these but it's probably named different and isn't as confusing. I know I know, your video showed how but it's a basic tune idea. In terms of a complex setup (And also for better alignment of tires and balance of suspension) this actually needs to be explained as a advanced setup tutorial for some people who don't really get the idea behind it and would like to study about it a bit more. I've sim raced around the likes of GT5-GT6 but currently been playing Assetto Corsa and Project Cars 2. Now in GT5-6 it was simple to know what to do. But however, Assetto Corsa and Project Cars 2 are a bit more advanced and not a simplified. (Same with other more complex sims like Iracing and the old fav Nascar Racing 2003 season) Both games are far more detailed than GT is but it doesn't mean it's not realistic. It just means there is more to play around with just like the real world and is a complex system that does take a bit of working around to get the handling and performance just right. (Hence why drivers and teams spend HOURS and DAYS on 1 setup tune job for 1 race and Qualifying) I mean yeah, I think people will bash me and say a lot of things that I just suck at tuning but I think even for advanced tuners this is a good thing to study about. This will even help amateurs to even noobies figure out the complexity of the system and work up to that point in learning about complex tuning. Hopefully, this will give you a good video to make and probably make people think about complex suspension systems being not as hard as it looks! :D

The person in yellow car at first is viperconcept XD !!!

ok...but....????? depends of cars...drivers...roads...wheather... WTF??

Hi Viper, thank you for your effort to make this video. I have a question in regards with Assetto Corsa braking. I am using a G29 Logitech wheel and I find it really difficult to find the sweet spot threshold of the break pedal setup... It tends to lock the front wheels even if I tweak the balance (front to rear) and brake percentage power(I am setting it up to 90%) and I still lock the front end. Any advice? Cheers and keep the videos coming!

Hmm. Can you also include an example from much older games, like GT2? I still play it xd

A racer: Noooo you cannot make your suspension bounce alot!!! The offroader: haha suspension go boing boing

dude you completely forgot about the preload/ride height, and the adjustment in weight distribution you can get, for instance i found that on the ktm x-bow in assetto corsa the front end doesn't lock up as easily while braking if you lower the rear end and raise the front,

im using your videos to learn tuning on gran turismo 2

Viper you should do a video on people who use automatic vs people who use manual.

You sir are a poet

Good to see GT Sport isn't that bad compared to other hardcore sims

I've always thought, If you can drive a car that is almost uncontrollable you can drive almost any car with no problems. But you cant control a car that doesn't let you control it.

Chapter 1 addendum for Assetto Corsa: There's an app called Camber Extravaganza that can help you see in realtime how the tyre camber moves while cornering.

I tried looking at some of my tunes after watching this video. Putting +0.1 rear toe has helped tremendously with not losing the back end while cornering, yet I still seem to be having trouble with how stiff the car feels. I get the whole anti-roll bar thing, but even when I make the front so soft it might as well not be there, and the rear stiff as a board, I still get understeer until I try to exit the corner, and THEN, the oversteer kicks in. I've messed with the differential so that I don't lose traction under acceleration, and yet it still feels like the car doesn't want to turn until I bring it down to unbearably slow speeds (and M. Rossi goes right by me.) Been having to lift off for the Kink at Nurburgring GP, which is supposed to be flat out. My only other thought is downforce, but the car I'm trying to work with has no option to adjust the aero. Also, can you make a follow-up video to explain front caster angle? I have absolutely no idea what it is or how it affects the car, because I can't tell a difference in performance when I switch it from one extreme to the other.

Is anti-roll bar differs on different drivetrains or its the same effect whether the car FWD or RWD? WHY not taken hightide into consideration as different settings from front to rear take an effect on the overall car handeling? what's other irregular racing tracks surfaces apart of Nürburgring?

Thanks for cookie. Thanks for videos. First time i have finished a race without acciden 😁

Haven't been by your channel in a hot minute... AWESOME INTRODUCTION! (≧▽≦)

Something that I never understand about camber... when I am going from -3.0 to -1.5 am I having the part of the tyre that touches the ground more inside or more outside of the car?

So helpful, have had issues with my cars have insanely instable rear and this helped lol

ACC lacks various features present even in "simcades" like Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon.

Great video

I have a question; on road cars why is your advised camber less when they will obviously roll more? do they not carry enough speed to take advantage or something?

So far we've seen you teaching setup, driving on the nordschleife, winning some casual races, and sometimes reviewing games. When will we see you racing at 100%, with a perfect setup and hour of practice on that combo, against people that did the same?

This v,ideo gave me great guidence on what to,&what not to do setting my cars.thank-you verry much.

Just what I was looking for! Thanks!

I finally know how to block that fucking body roll in pif paf corners !!!!

viper i just bought thrustmaster t3pa pedals can you make video for first timers using 3 set pedal for the common sim racing games

thanks for how to setup the suspension!! now i need how to setup the tyres PSI or type of tyres! pls

What about the fast / slow rebound etc. on race cars? What's the difference between regular version of it?

Now the question is, Aero and Suspension before Transmisson or the other way around?...

Could you also make a tutorial on how to tune a car step by step? I understand what everything does but I'm not sure in what order i should tune all the settings (starting from the stock tune for example) and what settings should be changed first when troubleshooting

I'm making a 750hp Dodge Challenger handle like a champ on GT5

merci beaucoup viper tres informative ça

Thanks for the Cookie!!! Great video

Good video. Any comments on the suspension travel range and bump stops?

Viper, that specific claim "Less surface touching the ground = Less grip" implies that friction is determined by contact area. But it is not! Friction is only a function of 'weight x friction coeficient between materials'. So, instead of maximizing the contact area to maximize friction, the point with camber is: to change the way the forces are transmitted to the rest of the car; ensure equally tyre wear and temperature; thus making possible better control over your car.

Great video as always bud, lemme know if you wanna try a copy of PC2Tuner for Pcars 2.

Viper great video! - but you are missing an update on the Dampers section, high speed damping (bumps, kerbs) and low speed damping (weight transfer rate/ speed) are 2 different damper settings, but more importantly how the soft and stiff compression and rebound (low speed) settings effect oversteer / understeer characteristics. I'm yet to find a definitive explaination, explaining this clearly, and although your old video explains how I think it's correct stiffer = less grip. Some SIM Racers here are using opposite tactics on RU-vid Videos. Please can you do in depth Damper video so we can wrap this up once and for all! It's driving me nuts I've searched everywhere. Many thanks.

Love your videos man! Your tuning videos are a gem. Could you do a video explaining tire psi and the best PSI for street, GT, open wheel? Your guides helped me immensely

Another great tutorial! Thank! It would be great if You could make a tutorial video about driving low grip cars (eg. GTS N class cars with sport tyres).

always a pleasure thx vp

Viper, can you add to this lesson, the Ride Height to improve car handling or top speed (if i'm not wrong) that's also a crucial part in a setup which help to have a controlled car and help with tyre saving.

You know the video is good when you have 1.4k likes and 9 dislikes.

always used this vid for tuning thank u for all these years lol

Sometimes I put -3.0 to -3.5 degrees of camber on the rear for RWD cars. It doesn't always come out good. For long corners, the tail always comes out but on the tight corners its glorious

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What's the OST at 19:25. ? EDIT - Oh, just remembered it was from the Gran Turismo 6 menu ! "Like a Bird" !

Great video! At 51:50 which setting have more Oversteer, Stiff front damper and soft rear damper or Soft front damper and Stiff rear damper? In my mind it's both plausible.

Hey viper... I'm getting the g920 Logitech wheel. Do you have and thoughts on it?

Salut Viperconcept ! Sur certaines vidéos "drift session", lorsque les réglages sont visibles, je remarque que certains joueurs (sur GT Sport) ont une feuille de réglages du genre "tout à gauche" sur l'arrière (super soft) et "tout à droite" sur l'avant (ou presque, soit plutôt dur)... J'ai testé ce genre de set up, et ça passe pas trop mal (mieux que 100% d'origine en tous cas)... Mais si je regarde ta vidéo, certains réglages ici sont opposés à ceux d'autres joueurs (axés drift, donc)... Tu penses que si je reprends tes conseils, le comportement des voitures en drift sera top ou qu'elles seront tellement sur-vireuses que je partirai en spin sans même devoir accélérer ? 🤔 (sans forcément aller dans les extrêmes bien sûr)

Greetings from Russia Add please subtitles in Russian A very interesting channel, but English knowledge is not enough to understand all the nuances Sorry if somewhere wrong in words

THAN YOU VIPER!!! BTW is dpdge viper your favourite car? Its is mine :)

No one ever puts which of these changes is good to get rid of tyre wear though

If you set up your car to oversteer in all of them you get a drift car

my car feels floaty, im not playing an arcade sim game (its forza horizon 3), but i take these infos as a base for me to do my tunes. Could you help me out? its like, i give a little tap on the wheel and i stop, but the car keeps on turning. whats is that? too stiff or too soft?

viperconcet, I want to thank you a lot, your videos were very helpful to me. Keep doing like you are and I wish you happy holidays where ever you're from Cheers, mate

Thank you for the nice introductory video!

*oscillations of the track not solicitations good vid though

Can u plis explain ride height and track width?

This is all kinds of excellence thank you

9:05 Assetto Corsa thinks we orbit a A type Star

Thanks for the video, will definitely try playing around with my suspension settings now (also thanks for the cookie ;P).

how much camber you need if you ask Stance guy they will said 10° negative camber

Hello guys, greetings from Istanbul, Turkey. I have some questions for you and all racers here, who play Gran Turismo Sport. 1. Are these tuning tips usable and suitable for Dualshock 4? Because I can't currently afford a G29 and I think I can't afford for some time (currency issues, because our currency is getting less valuable, things we import become more expensive, 1€ = 7 Turkish Liras and 1$ = 5.40 Turkish Liras currently.) But I want to join Manufacturer Series and race online. I know most of them are steering set users like you, Viper, so I asked. Can I use these tips on DS4? Is it possible to be good with controller too? Second, I want to ask about a recommendation. What manufacturer do you recommend on Manufacturer Series? I saw Mercedes' AMG GT3, and it seems like a good car to race in Group 3 races. But I have an NSX Group 4 and I like that car too, so I am between Honda and Mercedes. Do you and other racers here have a recommendation? Thank you for answers!

Wait... no VO?.... 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

Oh reposted it again lol.......nostalgic 11:25.

Now that I know this, who wants to do Nordschleife on stiff anti-roll bar?

19:24 20:47 So... What kind of suspension do i have to take for Monza? Stiff front And Soft rear, right? Hi🇻🇪!

What do you think of Assetto Corsa Comptizione ??

shame there is no info about caster setting :(

Why does the rear usually have less camber? It is being applied to the same Lateral G Force so why?

Thanks a lot of your videos And btw, it's you who deserve a cookie...