Rage Against The Machine is DONE. 

Nobody loves Tom Morello the way Tom Morello loves Tom Morello.

"They are so good and so cringey at the same time." The most profound thing ever said by Finn.

How am I supposed to go on without Tom Morello’s smug judginess?

Peak RATM "anti capitalism" was them selling Che Guevara shirts for $39.95.

Rage on Behalf of The Machine

I suppose it’s hard to rage against the machine when the machine made them millionaires.

Creative differences is more about “I can’t stand looking at my band mates faces anymore” rather than “I can’t believe they want to do the bridge section in half-time”

In the 90s political discourse wasn’t nearly as Polarizing as it is now either so it wasn’t front of mind for most of us listening back then.

Rage is the other side of the Kid Rick cringe coin

RATM lived long enough to see themselves become the villain. They never made a bad album, and they never replaced members in their entire run, which is insane.

Rage Against The Machine NOT invited to the BBQ.

Mike Muir had the best burn of these guys via the Infectious Grooves song “You’ll Do What I Tell Ya”. Check it out if you don’t know it.

Tom Morello bleeds coporate democrat goo. I dont think this goes hand in hand with the name of the band lol

My favorite thing was politicians like Paul Ryan praising Rage thinking that their message is the same as his.

I think they'll be back for a cash grab reunion in 5 or 10 years.

"Tom morello obviously a douchebag"-Finn 😂 nailed it.

That prophets of rage is like kid rocks trump music

Their reunion tour ticket prices were not very Rage Against the Machine. A good friend of mine had tickets for both the Minneapolis and Sioux Falls, bought them both in 2019. Sat on them for 3 years while Rage collected on the interest. He says he will never listen to them again after all this.

If I didn't know who Finn was - I'd think this video was being delivered by Tom Morello himself - the resemblance is uncanny!

Dont forget when Tim was a total douche during the VMAs I believe and tried to sabotage Limp Bizkit's award acceptance, they showed nothing but respect to him always and him disrespecting them like that was very very low plus looked childish and very dumb, he looked high

They’ve made 3 albums of original material. The last of which was in 1999. Goodbye already.

The way I see it now, is that it feels like entry level anarchy music. Anarchy is rad when you’re a kid cause you really didn’t understand the world yet so listening to “fuck you I won’t do what you tell me” is like an anthem for a rebellious teen. I just can’t listen to it anymore without really cringing as well lmao. Though I think music is music and I think limp bizkit is just fun dumb music that is self aware of how cringey it is and that’s why it’s somewhat aged well. RATM really tries to put itself in a position of “you have to take us seriously” and that’s why political bands like Dead Kennedys and SOAD are great. They’re’s rebellion but there’s sarcasm and fun at the same time.

They been done tbh

Finn you are so right about the rhythm section for RATM . I saw them live at Lalapalooza and the first thing that hit me was how locked in the bass and drums were unlike any band I’d seen to that point.

about che guevara, I think he´s a different symbol to different cultures. For us latin americans he represents the struggle to national sovereignty against US interference. So we actually don´t care if he was a good person or not (actually good guys don´t pick up guns, do guerrilla wars, fight the dictatorship of Fulgencio Batista and kick the american army off of their countries, bad guys do this, sometimes we need bad guys) . if he had woke liberal sensibility or didn´t, that is not important to what he was. What matters to latin america is that he represents the fight to our national sovereignty and self-determination. Che Guevara was around about the same time the USA staged coups all over latin america that resulted in the assasination of presidents in Chile and maybe Brazil, a lot of people died and we lived many decades under dictatorship that killed and tortured a lot of our people (I myself know elder people that went through prison and torture). This is why we don´t care if Che didn´t like gay people or if he was racist, I bet Henry Kissinger was just as racist or homophobe.

People who are fully covid vaxxed, support the current government regime, and wearing masks at a “punk” concert shouting “Fuck you I won’t do what you tell me” is the funniest shit ever to me

1988 I had one of those canvas haversacks I took to school, when at least here in the UK you painted with bands / logos or whatever. I painted mine with a hammer and sickle and CCCP. I was 12. A kid who was 17 said 'you a Commie? Do you know how stupid that makes you look'. A huge cringe moment looking back as a man in his late 40s lol

Honestly Slipknot needs to end things the way things are going for them they really just need to throw in the towel

I wish they would do something akin to Audioslave. This collaboration is I feel deeply underappreciated. Brad, Tim and Tom are a great music making machine, while Cornell showed their unique sound worked in a more accessible song format. I'd love to hear more of that.

There actually was event that precipitated this. Their RRHOF induction. All band members minus Tom Morello have been vocally opposed to being inducted - especially in light of the revelations about founder Jann Wenner. Tom Morello is an active member of the Rock Hall induction committee -- the body who votes on who gets inducted. Massive conflict of interest, there. Instead of standing in solidarity with his bandmates, Morello showed up to accept the induction.

Rage used to be so important to political activism around the world. I remember living in Greece as a teenager in the 90s. In 1995 the anarchists had a violent riot which ended up with them taking over one the universities in central Athens and having a standoff with police. Around 2-3 am when the energy levels had started to fall and the anarchists had been battered by tear gas and smoke they took over the university intercom system and started blasting RATM. The riots kicked off again shortly after.

Green Day and RATM became The Machine

Huff Po's article on Che is a total hit piece. The quotes from young, pre-revolutionary Che's ignorant comments it is the equivalent of finding someone's social media from like 20 years ago when they were in college. There are other plenty of other actions and comments which showed he no longer had those beliefs, including the fact that he traveled to Africa to help work with revolutionary movements there. It is absolutely fair to criticize the homophobia that had been present in the Cuban Revolution but there are two important points to remember, that in 1959, the 60s, the 70s, etc most of the world and systems planet-wide were not pro-lgbtq. Hell, even Dubya Bush was said to have won re-election based on making gay marriage a moral panic, and that's already a recent as this century in the USA. Point two, Cuba no longer had the anti-lgbtq stuff, and even Castro himself apologized and self-critiqued for that. I feel if Che had lived, he would have too. As far as the people Che executed, he did not tolerate it if his own forces committed abuses and rape, and he executed such people personally to send a clear message and discipline (compare that to how the US army deals, or rather doesn't deal with sexual assault against population being occupied or even with sex abuse among their own ranks). And as far as the overthrown regime of Batista, when Batista and his henchmen were brutalizing Cuba the future critics of Castro had been silent, but when those henchmen were put on trial for their atrocities and then found guilty and executed suddenly they objected at the "horror." And Che's philosophy was that those who lead the revolution should be the ones to carry out the executions, not force someone else to do the dirty work for them (compare this to the several consecutive US presidents having a kill list for assassinations in a drone war that kills 90% civilians). Every system on earth is going to have laws, and that leads to those who will defy those laws having to face legal retribution. Prison is a common feature for those people, regardless of the system. I'm sure that statistically there will undoubtedly be a percentage of those who have unjustly persecuted, but I don't think that means the majority of those imprisoned are likely innocent. To compare Che to Pol Pot because both said they were Communist would be like comparing George Washington to Pinochet because both were capitalist. And I have studied this stuff and when I look at Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge (who btw, the CIA supported at one point, long after the atrocities were known) I don't really see anything resembling communism or socialism, Marxism or Leninism in the content of their policies. Saying Pol Pot was an exemplar of Communism is an even bigger stretch than saying Jim Jones was following the teachings of Jesus. I actually think Finn should have a conversation with Zack, or really any number of people educated in the subject of Leftist politics, because these are conversations we are used to having all the time because of the usual propaganda and misinformation that people have been indoctrinated with. It isn't as if there are no answers to those points and if you address them to someone who knows their shit, it is fairly easy to explain whether or not you will share their view, if you engage in good faith you'll see they are not these caricatures.

The other thing that really annoys me about RATM on the political side is that when they did their music video for Bombtrack, they basically made it a propaganda reel for the Shining Path, a legit Peruvian terr0rist group, and its leader Abimael Guzman, who was imprisoned at the time. The Shining Path was responsible for massacring entire communities of indigenous Peruvians and randomly attacking other civilians, and even among a lot of hardcore Marxists they’re considered to be heinous villains. To be fair to Rage they did eventually recant their support and stopped airing the video, but it goes to show how ignorant they were about actual issues since the abuses and crimes of the Shining Path were well documented even back in the early 90s. And it’s even more hypocritical of them that they try to take a pro-indigenous stance in their music by supporting the EZLN and AIM, but ignored the abuses of native peoples just out of some twisted “solidarity” for a supposedly anti-capitalist band of murderous guerrillas that has nothing to do with them or their lives.

They've BEEN done. I mean, Zac hasn't had any interest in writing new Rage music in decades.

It was my teenage dream to see them live. My best friend and I in HS went see Audioslave in 2006 which is the closest I’ll get. They did a Rage set minus vocals and Chris came out to sing Killing in the Name. I was supposed to finally see Rage in the spring of 2020 and well… that one got canceled.

I was pleased to hear Stewart Copeland say the same about Brad and Timmy. One of the best rythym sections ever. Thats a big deal coming from him.

I’m fine with it. They’re all 54+ and the energy you need for their shows can’t last much longer for them. They were still playing really good shows but I honestly hope they stay with the decision to end it here.

Tom and Tim are humans too. I agree Tom's actions in the restaurant were inexcusable. But we all make bad decisions and have bad actions. We never talked about the more than 100 good things Tom and Tim have done and still do for people.

That’s what I was gonna say, that it was odd that Brad was the one to spill the news I’m not a fan of all their politics, but their music has always been fantastic. Tom absolutely sucks as a person, but his approach to guitar was to take the role of a DJ which led to the innovation

‘93 Lollapalooza. 1st band to go on, Orlando, FL. ‘What just happened?!?’ - So raw.

I'm im ashamed to admit that I owned a RATM Chè Guevara shirt when I was in 7th grade and would wear it To Spanish class from time. my spanish teacher would ask me if I really knew who he was and of course I didn't and Would go on about how it was just a band I was into.she would leave it at that and give me a weird look... now I'm 42,and I learned why many years ago.

Best RATM moment imo was when Paul Ryan said he enjoyed listening to them while he works out and Tom Morello felt the need to provide the most predictable response in history.

I'm also from "ex socialist" Yugoslavia, which had the **different** TM type of socialism... Yeah wasn't different at all, it's always the people that never experienced the fruits of socialism that simp this ideology.

I love their music, but in recent years Tom became the least based and most annoying of the group. I think those feelings were solidified when no one else attended the HoF induction. Zack will always be a favorite of mine.

RATM = 14 million records sold. Limp Bizkit = 40 million records sold.

Every important line in Rage was spoken 8 times as that is supposedly the amount of times it takes for something to sink in.

I was born in communist Yugoslavia, and in my view the government did a decent job of keeping the ethnic groups together under socialist "brotherhood and unity." The fall of communism is what led to violence and ethnic cleansing, communism in Yugoslavia was responsible for stamping out fascism and purging the Nazi quislings from power in places like Croatia. Communism kept a lid on ethnic nationalism, and by nationalism, I don't mean the kind of patriotic civic nationalism we have in the United States, but genocidal "blood and soil" type nationalism that killed millions of people during World War II and was finally stopped by the communist regime. Read about Yugoslavia during World War II, the communists were the good guys when compared to the nationalist Ustashe and Chetniks.

Rages message was lost in the sea of Tapout aficionados yelling "fuck you I won't do what you tell me!'

Everything you said at the beginning of three video is spot on. I think it's time. It's not really sad. kinda like sum41 moving on. It's ok to expand life and close chapters.

“You Either Die a Hero or Live Long Enough to See Yourself Become the Villain”

They were 4 legit pieces that fit together as perfect as you could possibly be. But couldn't get along with each other.

I respect the depth of your objection to casual trendy communism worship. It's not a binary choice...we can point out flaws in capitalism on the same day. It's just weird that Deftones isn't your favorite band.

the rap rock band that started this shit is called Urban Dance Squad.

they ended the day zack left. i wrote a song called "rage against the machine, is now the machine" 🍻

Morello's signature pedal is red, with the red communist star, and "sometimes history needs a push" a quote about genocide, the push being millions dead

"It's unfortunate that he can be so innovative as a musician and seems like such an unbearable human." Ronnie Radke anybody?

I want to Finn interview Zack, seriously.

Having read and watched “Cradle to Stage” by Dave Grohl’s mom, I can confirm that Mary Morello is an openly proclaimed communist. She said she didn’t mind them practicing at her place because “their politics were my politics.” So I can’t speak to Tom’s personal convictions, but I do not believe that the Communist stance and imagery are purely to be edgy. It’s a part of his upbringing.

RATM records are sold in Walmarts now, I think it's time for them to retire.

Zack likes Run The Jewels more

They broke up in 2011 over… a girl Like a true band

Yeah I could never undersrtand the love for Che Guevara when I was growing up. "HE RODE A MOTORCCLE THROUGH THE JUNGLE AND WAS A REVOLUTIONARY"... but.. he was a murderer. He worked with the CIA. How was he a revolutionary? He was a hitman.

I guess when they decided to rage against the machine, they weren’t referring to ATMs. You could say, they put the ATM in RATM 😂

They've hated each other for such a long time - rumours were that Battle of L.A. almost never got made - so I was surprised they got back together at all. I think too much politics is often pretty bad for a band (like too much drugs), esp if they get really big. As you say, killer musos when they're all playing together. Must be weird making such explosive energy with a team of people you can't make eye contact with.

They support the machine now

One thing you gotta under about Morello that Ive discovered through first hand experience; Harvard graduates are very elitist and entitled .

They should've changed their name to "Sold Out to the Machine". I loved them back in the early 90's when they were real.

i'm very surprised they lasted for over 30 years. I enjoyed them in my 20's and early 30's. The first 3 albums were monumental. They went downhill from there

I count myself lucky enough to have seen them live before they had to cancel their tour. It was possibly the best concert i have ever seen, they still deliver the goods

I think Inside Out sounds better than Rage. Thanks again for the great content Finn 🙏

Used to really like them, but the irony of them raging with the “machine” and telling everyone they had to get the Jab to come to concerts was the least “against the machine” thing they could do.

Gimme Downset anyday over RATM.

I used to have a tattoo of the closing (spoken) lyrics to Know Your Enemy. I got it lasered off once I realized how fake & unprincipled they were

Based Finn moment talking about Che being a loser

Having played in a lot of bands, "creative differences" is not just a euphemism, but if you're not a creative it might sound like not a big deal. Trust me, creative differences can make you absolutely loathe another person.

Hey Finn, your father in law story is crazy. You´ve always hinted at it and it would be really interesting to know it in more depth, at least for me, but I understand it is a sensitive issue. I would like to recomend you the novel "The Sympathizer", by Viet Thanh Nguyen, I think you´ll find it interesting.

The communism sympathizers in here arguing on their $900 smart phones 😬

Ive been an anti capitalist, trade union, anti war and climate justice activist and organiser now for circa 25yrs. RATM played a big part in first opening my world to politics and global issues when I was like 13. Will always hold a special place in my heart. But its definitely time. And Che sounds a dick.

What's faker than the moon landing? Rage Against the Machine being anti-corporation.

I remember TMZ going up to Fred about what Tim2k said. Fred was bummed out about it. There is a video of it on youtube. By the time nu metal hit big in 1999, RATM's Battle of Los Angeles album sounded so outdated in comparison to Korn's Issues and Limp Bizkit's Significant Other.

RATM has had issues since the early days so the OG fans stopped attempting to care a long time ago. Too many times was I bummed to hear "they are breaking up" just to see a them at a festival 3-5 years later.

Heard about a show that they played during one of their early tours, in San Jose CA. The person that told me about it was still floored, days later. They really locked in to something as a unit, love 'em or hate 'em.

Havent Rage been done since 2000? 🤔🤔.

Love the channel, but I hope one day Fin learns what communism actually is as defined by Marx instead of how totalitarian governments used the term to build populist working class support for their oppressive regimes. Also, I hope he understands wearing an American flag would also cause the same negative reaction to tons of people worldwide and domestic that this capitalist country has hurt or killed.

"Criticism for high price tickets despite being anti-capitalism"... so, if you are anti-capitalism you should work for free and not pay anyone who works for you? Do people think that capitalism invented work, money or transactions?

The only example I can give of young vocals is Bryan Garris’ brother Dallas doing a vocal feature on “The Rain” He was 14 when that was done, it was and still is off the chain.

Zack was born in 1970 he's turning 54 this January.

Good music… obnoxious people. And coming from Venezuela there’s no way I’ll support a socialist/communist

They did go out bad, about as bad as they could have, they became the very thing they stood against, and literally became Rage On Behalf of the Machine

This video just got a shoutout on tonight's Timcast IRL.

I've noticed a tendency in the far left, which might include RATM, to actively disregard the sensibilities of normies in their messaging. "Softening" your message is seen as impure, even if it actually makes it clearer what you believe and what you're talking about. They like to think that their beliefs are practically self-evident, so everyone who doesn't get them (99% of people) are too stupid to bother dealing with. This makes absolutely no sense in democratic politics, but the more radical you get in either direction, the more you fantasize about a revolution in which you get to impose your beliefs on everyone else, and everyone left alive thanks you for it. Also, people of any political faction tend to view their opponents as morally and intellectually inferior instead of considering any other reason that other people may come to different conclusions. This is the equivalent of right-wing edgelords who refuse to use politically correct language even when it makes sense. It's only slightly worse to use this instinct as an obvious excuse for bullying, like the right typically does, than to get super pretentious with it.

You express exactly how I feel about Rage. The band was great overall but also had very many inconsistencies and contradictions. I guess that’s the risk you run with when being in a political band..

I'm in a similar boat where Rage was one of my favorite bands as a kid. Some of the first songs I learned on guitar were theirs, I even bought a Digitech Whammy pedal to make the high pitch noises. In hindsight they are extremely cringe and I really question how much they really believed in any of it. Also funny that they didn't write a single song post 2000. Apparently there hasn't been anything new to Rage about in the 21st century. Also I can't respect any artist that required proof of jab to enter venue.

Five points is not a dive bar, its a breakfast place. Quite nice, and usually packed. Used to eat there a LOT, as well as their sister cafe, coastal....

Creative differences to a band = irreconcilable differences in a divorce.

Did a member finally get red pilled? 😆

As an American of Cuban descent, I can comfortably say that RATM breaking up brings me joy, but we have to many people in this country that are ignorant of the crimes Che committed. Thank you on speaking about this horrible human being, Finn. Know your history.

I love your content Finn, bro your very knowledgeable in rock music. I've been watching your channel for a while now and absolutely love it. You seem like a really cool guy to have a beer with talk about music. I've been a metal head since I was a kid growing up in the 90's. Keep it up!🤘👍

I´m glad Finn does not agree with RATM politics and thanks for beeing very clear in that little history lesson at the end!