Absolutely raging Stephen Flynn totally loses it as Lindsay Hoyle goes missing over Gaza vote Subscribe to our new podcast now, or you're a silly goose: linktr.ee/pubcast
Speaking as someone in England who would prefer to remain 'united' with Scotland; It certantly is yet another example of Westminster giving Scotland a good reason to want to leave, and I can't blame them for it.
I'm English with Scottish ancestry and if I was Scottish I would not be voting to leave the UK. I would be voting to never have to live under a Conservative government again.
Stephen Flynn is usually quite mild-mannered in parliament... particularly compared to his predecessor... so you can tell how much this one meant to him
If ever Scottish people needed to confirm that they are better off out of this defunct and corrupt union then this is it. How can you stand for this?? And I am not Socttish nor do I have any connection with Scotland.
Labour got the ceasefire motion passed. This has nothing to do with Scottish independence. Just proves the SNP are the same as the rest, despite claiming to be above Westminster politics.
No one is claiming that it has got anything to do with independence although the way this has played out it only strengthens the case for the need for independence. Starmer and his party have just handed a massive boost to the independence campaign and if he thought he was making progress in Scotland then he has just shot himself in the foot.
Flynn and the SNP can make all the noise they want. The fact of the matter is they are a busted flush, Scotland is sick to the back teeth of him and of them. So glad they were decimated in the general election, our only regret is that Flynn isn’t gone because that gobshite is Scotland’s biggest embarrassment!!
Fair play to Stephen Flynn, I'm amazed it's taken this long in the utter disgrace that is Parliament for him to be driven to visible rage over just how pathetic it is. I live in England, but I stand by the SNP and the Scottish people - Get out while you can, this ship is sinking and I wouldn't want them going down with it.
The thing is, the Scots can afford to play politics because far less Muslims live in Scotland. Kier is in the wrong & Labour is a disgrace, but let’s not pretend the SNP wouldn’t do exactly the same thing if their jobs depended on it.
Wales too, please. Form a Celtic Union with Scotland and Ireland! Despite being English born and bred, I want absolutely nothing to do with this absolute sh*tshow of a country and Parliament.
The first time I heard that. What a great idea !! Labour used to support North England (with capital initials for respect) but that's history. I'm from London but my father was from Yorkshire. I always felt that the North was mistreated. So split off London and the home counties. The slogan should be "North and South - Vote Partition".
All this because Labour does not want to be seen working with the SNP. In Scotland they side with the tories on locql councils qnd the Scottish Parliament.
@@Mr-Foad Yep and it's very sad as SNP voters (other than the indy question) naturally have far more in common with Labour than most others at Westminster. I fear this will just alienate more Scottish people regarding rule from Westminster regardless of political persuasion.
Labour got the motion passed. Only Scottish people and their utterly tribal, contemptuous way of conducting politics view today as an outrage. Labour got a motion for an immediate ceasefire passed. That should be the highlight today.
@@ecaeas4439 Who is tribal? Do you really think ALL Scottish people are of one tribe - or of one political view? Your comment is so unschooled that I actually hope you are a Russian Bot.
It is disgraceful, the SNP have been at the front of this fighting for Palestine and defending Palestine. They deserve so much respect and have not been given it. I am appalled and that’s speaking as British person!
@@julianshepherd2038 No it's about the contempt many in that place have against Scotland and its elected representatives. England should get a taste of its own medicine. Westminster parliament should be closed down with each of the home nations getting a turn of holding the UK parliament. I would love to see the reaction of the English people if they were given the political system favouring Scotland instead of England. Lets see how Scotland having 590 MP's and England only getting 49would do for staters with Scotland deciding how funding would be allocated. England could of course have its own "Regional" Devolved parliament to allocate England's share of the money Scotland allows them to have, of course if England wanted full independence it would have to ask the Scottish UK parliament for a section 30 which Scotland will declare "That now is not be the time." and of course Scotland would decide whether the UK re-joined the E.U. with English views and input completely ignored.
"Madam Deputy Speaker , sorry Ms Deputy Speaker , sorry Ms Assistant Speaker , he stuck his tongue out at me" .These people run our country , no wonder we are so screwed.
I’m a Scot and I’m for independence and ever since the mess that was last year for the SNP I thought the hope of independence was dead. But seeing the clear dismissal of Scotland’s voice in Westminster even on a position that most in the UK are in support of makes me think that there is now a fighting chance. I think the people of Scotland are going to wake up and see that the only party that is willing and ready to fight for Scotland’s voice (like Stephen Flynn did tonight) is the SNP, not the tories or labour.
Didn't Labour back the ceasefire? I don't understand what's going on tbh. Is this just the SNP playing politics over them not getting to slightly amend the tone of the ceasefire?
@@DeShark88No, this was Starmer playing at god knows what. The SNP have wanted a ceasefire from the beginning! What a bloody choice at the next GE. Scotland needs to be independent more than ever!
@@SamIronside so was a ceasefire amendment voted for in the end? Sounds like it was? I don't know what the SNPs issue is here really. That there was no vote about whether Israel was deemed to be breaking international law?
No the SNP were calling for an absolute ceasefire which meant a ceasefire would be sustained indefinitely, whereas the Labour Party called for a humanitarian ceasefire which would eventually ensuring that no sustained peace would be achieved
This is the final proof we are not in a voluntary treaty it's time to walk reconvene in Scotland and put the question to the Scottish people regardless of what Westminster says or wants NOW SNP, AN SNP MEMBER but now only just. Alba saor agus Alba gu bràth 🏴
That place is a joke, a bad joke. Scotland needs to leave and take responsibility for our own affairs, assets and people. Leave that place for good. Bring on the Republic of Scotland, in the EU with euros in my pocket!
@@shaunyweaver1144and bring all the gas and oil money too, England has NO natural resources, Scotland would be one of the richest countries in the world 😂
@@saorsa5 I suggest you take a look at the financial standards a country need to reach to join. The UK as a whole would not reach the criteria right now.
This is because Starmer spoke to Hoyle in private beforehand, forcing him to put their amendment forward. I would imagine Tories did the same. Pressure from both sides so he put both forward because both the Tories and Labour put pressure on him, or bribed or any other underhanded dirty tactic. Whole thing is a sham and has nothing to do with integrity or human rights - all to do with dirty political point scoring. Labour was due a massive rebellion as Starmer planned to vote no to the SNP unless he got his amendment, and that would have seen a majority of his people voting yes, it would have been the end of him. All parties, as the Palestinian Ambassador put it, are a disgrace and shameful.
but it was the labour party’s motion that got carried. soon as the labour party is scrutinised you don’t need to blame the tories for a labour shitshow without any evidence
From another englishmen that doesn't but into the scots vs english etc, i believe we are better together but to my Scottish brothers and sister...fuckin run, run for your lives lol this stuff is getting unreal. We can never let these people turn us against each other, united or not.
Oh come on. Today’s SNP motion was just a political device designed to try and create a massive issue for Labour, whom are now posing a dire threat to the SNP in their home constituencies. It blew up in their faces, and they threw a stop and walked out of the chamber. If you want to talk about disrespect, talk about the disrespect the SNP are showing to the people of Gaza by hijacking their plight and using it to play a political game.
@@boxtradums0073 hi jammy dodger. Who was talking about foreign policy. They are not employed to do anything but look after our interests. Let the Middle East sort there problems oh. These idiots cannot get this country running right but with goons like you supporting them I am not surprised.
Labour Leader Starmer claims he is a Human Rights Lawyer. To call him a Human Rights Lawyer is like claiming pigs fly, or that Jack the Ripper was a pacifist.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but, from the sidelines, that man couldn’t decide between two flavours of ice cream. He prevaricates on absolutely everything.
@@jennymulhall816 who the speaker or starmer ? starmer actually showed strong leadership ( i am not a fan of his) but he couldnt allow the words collective punishment to be included because that will mean we as a country believe israel is committing a war crime and that is not our foreign policy on this matter which is why we keep repeating israel has the right to defend itself and asking for hostages to be released etc etc .the SNP got what it wanted , the chance to champion independence because no one listens to us north of the border , the tories get to moan about the speaker and try and get someone more affiliated to them and also have a laugh at the opposition falling out , much easier to fight a divided enemy than a unified one . its why i say its a disgrace people playing politics instead of agreeing on a well worded ceasefire proposal .
@@ruthguthrie1099why didn’t the majority vote for independence? I’m born in England and live here but I would have voted for independence if I was born in Scotland
The view from outside (🇨🇦): Couldn't pick between Bercow and Hoyle; didn't understand Lammy's proprietary faff vs Flynn's motion; don't get how Rishi's humanitarian pause won't be followed by more civilian deaths like the last pause, and hope Westminster understands that to the affected region, this is a tempest in a teacup. Blackford and Flynn have made more sense than both front benches - to an outsider.
Hoyle has 'opped it down to the Wheeltappers and Shunters club to, as chairman of committee, to ding his big red bell, and introduce the next act. Bingo starts at 9pm.
If Flynn and the SNP had guts they would walk out of Parliament. This is why Sinn Fein don't take up Westminster seats- its all a sham pretence. The SNP should realise they are wasting their time in Westminster
@@MSalt69well the Scottish people wouldn't look like they are just lambs for the English, bend the knee to an inbred king? Last 2 oms were not voted for by the people? Last 3 pms were dumb as shit 😂 and you ask what again 😂?
If Starmer is proved to have influenced the speaker in any way its resignation for both of them.Remember the Labour Party should of campaigned for this months ago but Starmers appalling spoiling tactics has led to this sorry state.Yeah...I'm an ex Labour Party member since 16yrs of age.
Scottish MP’s were only allowed in Westminster from 1708, since then, nothing has made a difference, they have only taken what they have been given, so, in amongst this drama, nothing changes. UNLESS, like SINN FEIN, they get out and walk. So, if your serious about Scotland being an independent country, get the walking boots on, you now have reason 🏴🏴
Scotland united with England in 1603 when a Scot (James I of England & VI of Scotland) became ruler of England, Wales and Ireland and rapidly started to plant Ulster with protestant Scots. Since the since the Parliaments united a lot of Scots more Scots such as Lord Bute, Hume, MacMillan, Gordon Brown etc have been Prime Minister than their percentage of the total population. So its hardly fair to claim that the Scots have been under-represented in the Union. Compared to Wales and many English regions I would say they have been over-represented. Anyone recall any Prime Ministers from East Anglia or the West Country?
Regardless of who we vote for and what we want and what we get is not what the British people really want anymore , our Political system is unrepairable, we really want a new party that will put right what is wrong with this country.
@@MrsHawkinsHouse When the 2014 referendum was described as a "generational event" and Ssturgeon said there would be anouthe referndum if pro independence parties won a majority in the 2021 elections and the planned 2023 referendum was shelved. Not quite so easy is it Cheery Chops?
Even if the scots won a referendum they would not let them go , Example Donetsk and Crimea won there referendums for breaking away from Ukraine in which the UK deep state opposes and that is foreign countries over seas , so no they would not let scots have there free will
@@MSalt69 You can't call a vote to remain in the UK which remains part of the EU and single market, and still firmly upholds its commitment to the European Court of Human Rights generational if, just ten years later, the UK is out of two of those three things, and making grumblings about doing away with the third. Fundamental aspects of UK governance have changed since the vote in 2014, all of which are things Scotland consistently polls as supporting. The thing about maintaining a Union, Cheery Chops, is that the interests of all members have to at least be paid a passing notion.
Totally engineered by egregious Tories adding then withdrawing their own amendment! They manipulated the whole situation because they feared losing their amendment
We might live together in a place called “United Kingdom” but we are far from united because of this government. The UK is in tatters, Scotland and England are so divided… when will this stop?
If only the SNP were as vigorous in seeking to serve the people they are ACTUALLY elected to serve or dealing with their own corrupt members 🙄 This bunch are driven by ideology rather than the interests of their own constituents
this House is a disgrace.it has definitely got worse since they let the cameras in.how do they choose the speaker,does anyone understand?what on earth is the MP directly to the right of Stephen Flynn wearing?was he planning to spend the night at the pub?
Whilst procedure should always be followed and every party given its say, why would Parliament waste time voting on something that holds no value to anyone and has no effect other than to virtue signal?
Because it was a SNP opposition day and they decided to waste Parliaments time and as a added bonus try and split the Labour Party. All in all from the point of view of allowing the SNP to posture and sulk about "Scotland being ignored" think it was a great opposition day for them.
There is absolutely no reason why our elected members of parliament should even be voting about things going on in a part of the world they have no control over. If anything this is for the UN not the British parliament. RIDICULOUS
Get out of this House of Clowns and give us INDEPENDENCE! Goodbye Holye ... Keir Starmer should offer his resignation for putting the weakest Speaker the House has had in that position ... Shame! Betty Boothroyd would be turning in her grave right now!
Bunch of children. It's always been apparent to me that the further away from westminster you are, the less respect you get. No wonder Scotland want independence...and if you get it, take me with you.
As someone from Liverpool, I don't feel English, but am ok with being British. I support Scotland, Wales and Ireland's right to independence, but feel it would have been better for Scotland for this to have happened before private oil companies done the off with all your oil.
And don't forget all the Massively profitable offshore Scottish windfarms the Tory govt sold off to foreign governments who will reap massive profits while we can't afford to turn the fu##ing heating on!
Aye but we were lied to and lied to and lied to. I, along with most young to middle aged people in Scotland, feel genuine palpable anger towards the Tories and what they’v done to our country. It seems like they’v been doing everything they can to fuck your’s up to. Tories out.
It really does not reflect well on the state of the political system when countries other than England seem to be treated with such little respect and value.
It’s so embarrassing how are politics is conducted 18th century house not fit for the 21st century. New Parliament and all major offices should be moved to central England and new procedures adopted. Sell off Houses of Parliament
Frenchman here. This is just the consequence of bizarre rules in the UK parliament. In France all the amendments would have been voted on. And there is no need to consult mega experts, all the rules are part of the constitution or parliamentary rulebook, available to anyone and fairly straightforward. The SNP clearly tried to use Gaza to trip Labour up, they didn't care if something passed (that would make no difference in Gaza anyway) but they are furious they didn't get to hurt Labour.
Would they all turn up to discuss the 100,000 excess deaths that have occurred since Covid? This government consistently avoids discussing controversial issues.
I really don't understand why there is so much debate and bluster about votes that will not make a blind bit of difference to what is happening in Israel and Gaza. Surely Parliament should spend it's time more efficiently and effectively.
Flynn does not lose it. He is justifiably furious at what has been done. The fact the Speaker ran away and didn’t even have the guts to front up to the parliament was a disgrace.
