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What on earth is going on in the House of Commons?
The House erupted last night after the Speaker's decision to take action completely unprecedented in recent history. In the SNP's opposition day debate calling for a ceasefire in Gaza, he granted Labour an amendment to the vote which was to be taken ahead of the SNP's motion.
Labour's amendment changed the wording of the SNP's motion to remove references to the collective punishment of Palestinians by the IDF, for a ceasefire to be contingent on the release of Israeli hostages by Hamas and for Hamas to give over power in Gaza.
Labour have 17 opposition day debates in the course of a parliamentary session, while other opposition parties have three between them. The SNP saw Labour's granting of an amendment and first vote as a hijacking of their debate.
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@radioheadcovers2506
@radioheadcovers2506 7 месяцев назад
"we've been treated with utter contempt". Pretty much how the general public feels right now.....
@swarpar
@swarpar 7 месяцев назад
Came here to say this. Now they know a 0.0001% of how most of us feel about them
@Matt-ty3hr
@Matt-ty3hr 7 месяцев назад
Hoyle really has the demeanour of an overworked supply teacher who's just been shut in the stationery cupboard and is pleading for his keys back
@grahamjohndavis
@grahamjohndavis 7 месяцев назад
He’s an idiot. He can barely do joined up talking. This is a person who went on national tv and called the funeral of the queen “The most important event the world will ever see”. What an arse.
@samlittle-lx9jo
@samlittle-lx9jo 7 месяцев назад
So the English are voting because Britain is an islamic black & Indian state right? I see why you don't vote for a ceasefire in Ukraine because it's a white country
@bothi00
@bothi00 7 месяцев назад
He's a lot sneakier than that. He's looking out for his mate. Hoyle was a labour mp on the right of the party. He knew exactly what he was doing
@plunder1956
@plunder1956 7 месяцев назад
Sadly I think that's the truth ​@@bothi00
@KellySmunt492
@KellySmunt492 7 месяцев назад
😂classic 👍
@lonederanger2603
@lonederanger2603 7 месяцев назад
This is UK government people, what an absolute embarrassment, and we are asked to vote, once every 5 years, for a new set of clowns to run the circus.
@ALPHAANDOMEGA1998
@ALPHAANDOMEGA1998 7 месяцев назад
this country is hilarious
@peterjohnston4472
@peterjohnston4472 7 месяцев назад
Facts
@malcolmrowe5031
@malcolmrowe5031 7 месяцев назад
That's because they have it stitched up! Two sets of 🤡 and the public fooled into thinking things will change
@MarkMeade-e1y
@MarkMeade-e1y 7 месяцев назад
There will never be change unless both Labour and Conservative are beaten by a new party who puts the needs of the British people first . We are on a loop which is getting worse by the day , the problems of homelessness, jobs , gang violence and drugs on our streets coupled with high prices and low wages has damaged this country no end . We have bailed out banks to the sum of billions while they carry on like nothing has happed , no body takes the blame and we suffer yet again , the education system is falling apart along with our health services. All it’s been is either Conservative or Labour who gave run this country post war and yet we are returning to the pre war days of no health services, and no pensions because both are corrupt to the core and unless we the public say enough is enough the loop will continue. As for Israel and Palestine that conflict will go not till the end d of time because nether can see the wood before the trees and the killing will never end , the madness in the Houses of Parliament means nothing to the people suffering both at home or abroad because all of these politicians live in a fantasy world and not in the real world …….
@xenech
@xenech 7 месяцев назад
Readers of any mainstream media are a bunch of plebs
@leighbee13
@leighbee13 7 месяцев назад
Is this parliament or panto? Those no’s at the end were insane.
@lukebellmason1968
@lukebellmason1968 7 месяцев назад
Oh no they weren’t
@Carl-tc2yb
@Carl-tc2yb 7 месяцев назад
Only because some votes were passed unopposed, despite audible voices to the contrary twice by the deaf deputy speaker. Hence the division...
@lewisjones4158
@lewisjones4158 7 месяцев назад
@@lukebellmason1968😂😂
@thomasholland5487
@thomasholland5487 7 месяцев назад
Its democracy working. Its wonderful.
@Jake-hw9kp
@Jake-hw9kp 7 месяцев назад
It’s so fucking embarrassing. Fully grown adults acting like a bunch of primary school kids.
@mrnice7570
@mrnice7570 7 месяцев назад
Calling each other honourable whilst being devoid of any honour or integrity
@DaIrishman-jw8bn
@DaIrishman-jw8bn 7 месяцев назад
Treated with contempt-now they know how public feels!
@MrPiccolop
@MrPiccolop 7 месяцев назад
Fully respect the desire to be independent to get away from. This bull shite.
@robhanks4068
@robhanks4068 7 месяцев назад
My thoughts exactly.
@alfredttarski4521
@alfredttarski4521 7 месяцев назад
Come on. They gave you Brexit.
@JohnSmith-jv6pr
@JohnSmith-jv6pr 7 месяцев назад
The UK parliament is an absolute joke....and not a very funny one.
@v.7382
@v.7382 7 месяцев назад
Funny to laugh at their stupidity but also a major concern for the present and future.
@franwilby1254
@franwilby1254 7 месяцев назад
This is British Parliament??? I am ashamed to be British! 🙄😢😢😞
@mrD66M
@mrD66M 7 месяцев назад
Where were you when Parliament was prorogued in bad faith by a previous tory PM
@Aren_Sefer
@Aren_Sefer 7 месяцев назад
@@mrD66Mbut that wasn’t ‘the parliament’, that was actions of an individual. I think everyone is questioning the integrity of the speaker this time and the labour opposition. Which in most estimates is way worse.
@gee4947
@gee4947 7 месяцев назад
I remember a time, way back in childhood. And the innocence of youth. That I assumed that the most intelligent and efficient people only, rose up to the heights of leading a whole country. I believed that they acted within the best interests of the country and it's citizens. As an adult, I have learnt that was as much an illusion as santa Clause! And still, we are fed lies and kept from seeing the true bigger picture, thanks to our media! The truth is that we are in deep trouble and as this is an election year, I won't try to persuade anyone who to vote for, just ask PLEASE, take a close look at our options - none of which is to not vote, or spoil your paper, because apathy is a vote for more of the same! This is the election that our grandchildren will be asking how did we vote.
@mrD66M
@mrD66M 7 месяцев назад
@thesubinejelly8764 he made one mistake in good faith and apologised what did labour do, was it anything worse than what Govt has done time and time again?
@Aren_Sefer
@Aren_Sefer 7 месяцев назад
@@mrD66M you can take his word for it if you want but making a ‘mistake’ in a very serious situation like this still calls into question his credibility. Labour was reported by very senior and credible journalist that they were lobbying the speaker before the vote in the corridors with multiple whiteness testimonies by other MPs. Labour are the party who aren’t transparent in their view of the matter because they’re scared of more division.
@stefmanbrett91
@stefmanbrett91 7 месяцев назад
The fact that the SNP only has 3 supply days during a session and the speaker decides to torpedo that after a chat with Keir Starmer is despicable
@jamieeames8934
@jamieeames8934 7 месяцев назад
Opposition day just means you get to decide the days business. Beyond that, it should be done like all other business; open to debate and amendments.
@professorpigeon6517
@professorpigeon6517 7 месяцев назад
He just let 2 amend go instead of one it’s not against the rules, just goes against an outdated and stupid tradition
@cubbyhoo
@cubbyhoo 7 месяцев назад
Fundamentally it's down to the idea that people couldn't vote for the SNP motion or the Conservative's amendment and so they would have to abstain on a vote on the Gaza ceasefire. It's a mess but that's really it
@stefmanbrett91
@stefmanbrett91 7 месяцев назад
@@professorpigeon6517 - But it essentially meant the SNP's motion wasn't voted on... He instead put the Labour vote 1st, when it isn't their opposition day and I'm sorry but we know why that happened. He had a chat with Starmer who was worried that half his party would side with the SNP and make his party look divided Anyone trying to gloss over that fact and say "this is all normal procedure, stop moaning", is willfully ignorant
@jamieeames8934
@jamieeames8934 7 месяцев назад
⁠@@stefmanbrett91yes that’s how amendments work. To argue that amendments shouldn’t be voted on first, is to fundamentally miss the point of an amendment. Amendments…amend the motion. Opposition Day doesn’t mean get what you want, it means decide the business of the house and then the house decides if it likes the business you’ve brought
@xismecwilliams9604
@xismecwilliams9604 7 месяцев назад
I hate our politicians. It’s like a school playground
@limeyUK99
@limeyUK99 7 месяцев назад
Everywhere is the same. Don't think we're special.
@1292liam
@1292liam 7 месяцев назад
they are almost all ..loathsome, contemptible, anti patriot, out of touch bell ends
@NannaShanna
@NannaShanna 7 месяцев назад
A school playground full of wankers
@HenryRosales-y2b
@HenryRosales-y2b 6 месяцев назад
It looks a kindergarten
@HenryRosales-y2b
@HenryRosales-y2b 6 месяцев назад
​@@limeyUK99not all politicians in every nation. In my country it's not that too much show and tell
@hidusb
@hidusb 7 месяцев назад
They are all acting like a national disgrace.
@ellieguest8272
@ellieguest8272 7 месяцев назад
they are that
@ejbh3160
@ejbh3160 7 месяцев назад
"acting"?
@lonederanger2603
@lonederanger2603 7 месяцев назад
That place, 'The Palace of Worstmonster', is an absolute disgrace and a complete joke. What's the point of voting to be governed by farm animals?
@marianpower6711
@marianpower6711 7 месяцев назад
They are.
@independentandfree6466
@independentandfree6466 7 месяцев назад
Starmer is behind this and Hoyle has played along with it. Neither fit for the jobs they have. Both should resign.
@markwood7045
@markwood7045 7 месяцев назад
The SNP simply have to play this tape on loop when they're next campaigning for a referendum. I'm not Scottish but how anyone could argue for a Remain position after seeing that clown show, and the disrespect shown to the SNP, is completely beyond me.
@101wildgoose
@101wildgoose 7 месяцев назад
The SNP don't deserve any respect. They are led by criminals and running Scotland into the ground. NHS in Scotland is an utter disgrace. The SNP treat their own people with contempt!
@nikmak
@nikmak 7 месяцев назад
@@jeffcxx nope, what a try hard. Britnat unit out in full force today. Labour shills in tears. Many of us knew how corrupt the British state was before this sordid incident and polling for Scottish indy sits at 50% without even campaigning. This was the death knell for the UK. Thank fuck. #Indyscotlandnow
@funburger2
@funburger2 7 месяцев назад
Nonsense
@jordank1489
@jordank1489 7 месяцев назад
​@@jeffcxxthat is not relevant to what took place in the house
@BennyBlanco481
@BennyBlanco481 7 месяцев назад
They argue to vote remain as they don’t produce anything and have zero economy so wouldn’t exist on their own. Plus they are heavily subsidised by England.
@GiveMeBourbon
@GiveMeBourbon 7 месяцев назад
Whatever you think of Stephen Flynn and the SNP, you cannot deny what an effective orator he is.
@crazymonkeyVII
@crazymonkeyVII 7 месяцев назад
I really like him tbh. He's clear, concise, driven and at least on the Israel/Gaza matter completely right. The fact that the Speaker AND Deputy Speaker have allowed Labour to insert their language into what should've been the vote on the SNP's motion, DURING SNP's OPPOSITION DAY, is absolutely DISGUSTING! The two of them have single-handedly robbed SNP of their vote, while preventing a huge row in the Labour party. That row could've cost Labour votes which would've been picked up by other parties. With the exception of Labour/Kid Starver, everybody lost yesterday.
@chrisparnham
@chrisparnham 7 месяцев назад
Yeah, but it's all bluster. The intention of the SDP motion and the Tory amendment was to embarrass the Labour Party. As it turned out the Labour amendment was stronger than the SDPs and the SDP motion was lost as always when an amendment is passed. He might be seen to be making a strong point but it's not because he's outraged about the amended motion but because it failed to embarrass the Labour Party.
@chucky2316
@chucky2316 7 месяцев назад
He just sounds like a scotchman any scotchman
@thenefyncat6970
@thenefyncat6970 7 месяцев назад
And, unlike many in that place, he seems like a decent person. Must be some kind of skeleton hiding in a closet somewhere.
@nickjgunning
@nickjgunning 7 месяцев назад
If you like pub drunks when they've been thwarted.
@lynclarke6184
@lynclarke6184 7 месяцев назад
Hoyles has overstepped the mark and needs to go. An apology does not suffice. I don’t believe this was an oversight.
@Eidolonian
@Eidolonian 7 месяцев назад
Force to resignation.
@Jack-Peters99
@Jack-Peters99 7 месяцев назад
Boo hoo, this vote is a waste of fucking time. Most of them in that room over step the mark. Guess it's okay to bully and scape goat one man.
@mtmlt0513
@mtmlt0513 2 месяца назад
... re-elected 🙄
@rorywilson656
@rorywilson656 7 месяцев назад
The SNP walked out of the chamber, but the debate had already come to a close. They walked out during the Deputy Speakers speech outlining why their particular vote would not be heard. But according to one SNP MP they did still vote on the Labour amendment in the voting booths after walking out because they felt they had no choice. And that's exactly the point, because they weren't given a choice. Yesterday was one of 3 days out of the Parliament season where SNP get a chance to put forward their own motions for a vote, Labour get something like 18 of these days, SNP get 3. Normally other opposition parties cannot add amendments on these days, because they have their own days to put forward motions. Labour were in an uncomfortable position having ot either side with Government or support the SNP. And the speaker's decision to allow Labour motion effectively gave Labour a way out, otherwise Starmer may have faced massive rebellion because its not clear if he would have allowed his MPs to vote for SNP ceasefire and condemnation of Israel. The Speaker is normally re-elected after a General election so the theory is that Labour privately put pressure on him to allow their motion to go through on an SNP day, or he would lose his place after a massive Labour landslide election. So, yes its all very trivial and petty in the face of Gaza crisis, and it is really sad its come to this. But, it also raises questions of speaker impartiality and fair process in the House of Commons. Debate in our form doesn't work unless the speaker is neutral.
@cubbyhoo
@cubbyhoo 7 месяцев назад
But also shouldn't they be given an option to vote on a ceasefire which doesn't use the language that the SNP's motion did and isn't the government's not ceasefire. Otherwise they would to have to abstain and that would be electorally toxic for Labour, you can see the leaflets now. It's a mess but I am with Hoyle on this one tbh. Equally it's shouldn't have to come down to an opposition day to have this debate.
@stefmanbrett91
@stefmanbrett91 7 месяцев назад
Complete agree with this and I find it mind-boggling to all those who are trivialising this, saying "it's outdated, it doesn't matter". It does matter. It's about the impartiality of the speaker and how our democracy functions If this process was "so outdated" why not amend it earlier? Why choose the day when Labour face a full-scale rebellion to change the process which inevitably benefited Labour
@thirdeyeblind6369
@thirdeyeblind6369 7 месяцев назад
@@cubbyhoo " Otherwise they would to have to abstain and that would be electorally toxic for Labour" that is not parliaments problem though, Labour make a political choice not to vote with the SNP on anything, They even have a name for it. The Bain principle. Why should Scotland's MPs being rode over to protect Labours Election chances?
@ejbh3160
@ejbh3160 7 месяцев назад
The Speaker will never be "neutral" - it has to be an apolitical person for it to be neutral - good luck with that. Why would an apolitical person even want the job? lol
@siobhanchristine-bligh183
@siobhanchristine-bligh183 7 месяцев назад
Thank you for this lol
@goodmusicneverdies1998
@goodmusicneverdies1998 7 месяцев назад
Literal Corruption
@avendrovia5191
@avendrovia5191 7 месяцев назад
watching parliament debates take place is hillarous, its like a classroom argument full of REALLY privalaged children who cant take no for an answer 😅
@pcfc_gaming
@pcfc_gaming 7 месяцев назад
Thirty thousand+ people have died, and our house of commons is behaving worse than a bunch of nursery school children. It's abhorrent behaviour.
@CraigDunn-k6n
@CraigDunn-k6n 7 месяцев назад
Not fit for purpose. You'd take it back for a refund if it had a warranty.
@v.7382
@v.7382 7 месяцев назад
@user-oj2kz9fd3q A "faulty" government if I must say so myself 😂
@Rapid_GT
@Rapid_GT 7 месяцев назад
Does anyone believe anything these clowns say or do will have any impact on what happens in Gaza ?
@user-sb2lc4kc9z
@user-sb2lc4kc9z 2 месяца назад
So its a gimmick. They just wanted to cripple labour, so tories went on the bandwagon too.
@roqua5
@roqua5 7 месяцев назад
John Bercow would have never been intimidated by Labour or the Conservative party. The Speaker should be ashamed of his actions and resign.
@lordhood117
@lordhood117 5 месяцев назад
Wasn’t the current Speaker the Deputy Speaker under Bercow? Did this man learn NOTHING!?
@Holborovv
@Holborovv 7 месяцев назад
and people wonder why nothing ever gets done...
@Celtictribes
@Celtictribes 7 месяцев назад
I never thought I'd ever agree with the SNP but the speaker is an absolute disgrace.
@sulaimanahmed08
@sulaimanahmed08 7 месяцев назад
Why’s that?
@Celtictribes
@Celtictribes 7 месяцев назад
@@sulaimanahmed08 I have no interest in debating some fascist Muslim troll on RU-vid.
@TomWalker-et5jh
@TomWalker-et5jh 7 месяцев назад
@@sulaimanahmed08Shut up
@Celtictribes
@Celtictribes 7 месяцев назад
@@sulaimanahmed08 Why do you hate Jews ?????????
@Uduwerage
@Uduwerage 7 месяцев назад
Even when giving an apology Hoyle attempts to place blame on others.
@martinbcooper
@martinbcooper 7 месяцев назад
Is that a Scottish independence referendum I see on the horizon? I'm not a massive SNP fan but after last night's clown show I would find it hard to argue for the remain position..
@AH--173
@AH--173 7 месяцев назад
I'd consider moving to Scotland if that was to happen.
@davidhay6015
@davidhay6015 7 месяцев назад
Scotland wants out of this circus
@WeRemainFaceless
@WeRemainFaceless 7 месяцев назад
@@davidhay6015 The whole of the UK wants out of this circus, not just Scotland.
@Daniel-fc2xi
@Daniel-fc2xi 7 месяцев назад
@Rachelforpeace1 What are you babbling about
@CraigDunn-k6n
@CraigDunn-k6n 7 месяцев назад
@@WeRemainFaceless Do it. Why doesn't each area of England vote to join Scotland?
@ronthornton3466
@ronthornton3466 7 месяцев назад
This is corruption at its best.
@memkiii
@memkiii 7 месяцев назад
You have proof of that, or are you just blowing off?
@Oneday78666
@Oneday78666 7 месяцев назад
@@memkiiiare you dysfunctional?? They are crumbling over g a z a - because we want humanity
@Oneday78666
@Oneday78666 7 месяцев назад
@@memkiii brain d e a d man
@USISpongeman
@USISpongeman 7 месяцев назад
Its really not corruption, in fact there was precendence
@leonturner9752
@leonturner9752 7 месяцев назад
EMBARRASSING TO THE WORLD. A TRUE CLOWN SHOW.🤣🤣🤣
@octavianpopescu4776
@octavianpopescu4776 7 месяцев назад
As a foreigner watching this... since you mention the world, It's not embarssing as much as it's confusing. I've noticed everyone being up in arms over this in the UK, but I'm not really sure what's even happening, who's right, who's wrong and why. They seem to be talking about procedural-technical stuff.
@EightyFour-s3z
@EightyFour-s3z 7 месяцев назад
@@octavianpopescu4776- As intended. Load of distractory nonsense to divert from the subject matter. They’re all doing a great job for their masters.
@lynclarke6184
@lynclarke6184 7 месяцев назад
Hoyle was the clown either ignoring or overriding protocol. He shoukd go before he’s pushed.
@xSkittlesxNewbx
@xSkittlesxNewbx 7 месяцев назад
@@lynclarke6184 should be booted out asap
@memkiii
@memkiii 7 месяцев назад
Really? We'd be much better with the do-nothing shitshow that the US is currently dealing with would we?. Good to see you find it hilarious though. A true patriot.
@aishahidris189
@aishahidris189 7 месяцев назад
Thank you SNP, 💗
@TomWalker-et5jh
@TomWalker-et5jh 7 месяцев назад
Shush
@simmysimmy3748
@simmysimmy3748 7 месяцев назад
The year 1707 when parliament was formed, nothing as changed, they live in the Dark Ages, Needs a complete overhaul as the system is outdated.
@TinaButcher-r6m
@TinaButcher-r6m 7 месяцев назад
This whole country operates on a medieval monarchiachal serfdom basis cloaked in a delusion of democracy
@memkiii
@memkiii 7 месяцев назад
You have a strange view on history, when the "dark ages" took place, reasons for that 1707 parliament (due in no small part to Scotlands misadventures in Panama), and how many reforms the British Parliament has had since 1707. First of all since 1801, Great Britain is no longer the Nation in question, we are now the United Kingdom, and, *the only country in that United Kingdom that does not have it's own parliament is England.* Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland now have devolved parliaments, both the Commons and The Lords has undergone radical changes over the last 40 years. What do you think needs overhauling specifically?
@simmysimmy3748
@simmysimmy3748 7 месяцев назад
@@memkiii you're lack of intelligence is Astounding.
@Warbsy1990
@Warbsy1990 7 месяцев назад
That's not entirely true! They can now speak without wearing a top hat now!
@HaggardPillockHD
@HaggardPillockHD 7 месяцев назад
​@@memkiii radical changes? Like what?
@samduricic7916
@samduricic7916 7 месяцев назад
Its like nothing in the real world. Who The fuck actually acts like this. Not even naughty school 🤡
@juliandenormanville5225
@juliandenormanville5225 7 месяцев назад
No lover of the SNP...but theyve got every right to be incandescent about this..Hoyle is guilty of shocking judgement at best, at worst downright partisanship...in other words corruption...and Starmers role in it all needs close scrutiny as well!!
@nicolakirton2252
@nicolakirton2252 7 месяцев назад
Starmer acting as though he was King, perhaps he is, as we are all being told he WILL be the next PM, at a time when 2 senior royal family members have "very serious illnesses" at the same time, something that is highly unusual. This narrative of Starmer WILL DEFINITELY BE NEXT PM, despite the fact he has a WORSE RECORD OF VICTORIES AT THE POLLS THAN JEREMY CORBYN. has a deal been struck behind the scenes, resulting in the "overthrow" of the royal family by Starmer, who continues to act as though he was King.
@Jezza_One
@Jezza_One 7 месяцев назад
If only they cared so passionately about the British people.
@alwaysOPEN4business
@alwaysOPEN4business 7 месяцев назад
Are you lost? Shouldn't you be spewing your bigoted rhetoric on the Daily Mail's website?
@LoneSheWolf09
@LoneSheWolf09 7 месяцев назад
My thoughts exactly
@EricDaMAJ
@EricDaMAJ 7 месяцев назад
I saw a pic of parliament during the debate about illegal immigration and it had only a handful of people present vs. a full house for a Gaza ceasefire which Israel has no duty nor inclination to observe.
@jamesjukebox2386
@jamesjukebox2386 7 месяцев назад
It just shows to the world what a nest of vipers that place is.
@octavianpopescu4776
@octavianpopescu4776 7 месяцев назад
As a foreigner... it's not really showing me anything. I honestly don't get what exactly they're arguing over and why. I get that it's something to do with procedures, but that's about it. They're not arguing over substance, but procedure and they're all really angry and... ok... I don't see what the big deal is. This is how it comes across to me at least. I already knew the UK Parliament has a lot of angry, shouty stuff, so this just seems normal. That's how they operate. Nothing unusual.
@ne-ht4zx
@ne-ht4zx 7 месяцев назад
Like the rest of the world is paying any attention to this pantomime!!
@terrybrown8890
@terrybrown8890 7 месяцев назад
​@@octavianpopescu4776 Israel v. Gaza, is a situation created to mask that Israel has embarrassed itself, "oh, go ahead blame us for this then", these cartoons are there to provide a 'civilian' shadow of the situation. If you want the back story:- A decision was taken to push up oil prices in 2000's, Saudi's wanted to remain the friendly effortless mobility providers and blindly retaliated immediately where they believe the threat was concept. Iran decided to shroud their motives to the unraveling saga, thus the war on 'shrouding?' in Iraq/Iran, I guess they would undercut the market and those manipulating the market would have never seen the benefit in their lifetimes. Now the wars are de-escalated these Western cartoons are looking for scapegoats and distractions.
@PhysHow42
@PhysHow42 7 месяцев назад
​@@octavianpopescu4776 They're arguing over the fact that the SNP has been denied the ability to propose changes to legislation. This done in a way that is basically arbitrary - the speaker's reasons aren't terribly convincing. The SNP nominally represents the interests of Scotland. Denying the SNP their right to speak because English parties are uncomfortable with what they're saying looks very bad. We're constantly at risk of Scotland leaving the UK, and Westminster appearing to favour England is one of the big arguments for that. This "insubstantial argument" will result in a lot of very unhappy Scottish people who feel, whether they agree with the SNP's motion or not, that they've been trampled on again in favour of English politics. The SNP - and Scottish secession - was basically dead in the water, but this may bring them back to life if they play it right. It doesn't look like anything of substance because you don't have context of the backdrop against which this is happening. And none of this is to mention the fodder this will be for the "immigration = islamist terrorism" crowd.
@memkiii
@memkiii 7 месяцев назад
@@octavianpopescu4776 Nothing much - ignore the trolls. No one will give a toss tomorrow when the next big RU-vid based crisis occurs.
@lestrem11
@lestrem11 7 месяцев назад
Starmer’s insane intervention was the catalyst for this feck up.The man is a menace.
@mtmlt0513
@mtmlt0513 2 месяца назад
And now he's PM. 'Sigh'
@actuallyjustblaise
@actuallyjustblaise 7 месяцев назад
Warning: essay below! Read at your own risk, and with your own critical thinking skills set to ‘On’! One massive problem that everyone seems to be overlooking in this discussion - the original SNP motion included a call for ‘an end to the collective punishment of the Palestinian people’. Now, the problem is that ‘collective punishment’ is not just a casual descriptive - it is a specific legal term used in Article 33 of the Geneva Convention, and for the UK parliament to put forward a statement accusing Israel of collective punishment would be completely unprecedented by current UK legal opinions. Yes, it may be obvious to all of us that what is currently happening in Gaza is a collective punishment, but that doesn’t mean that parliament can make that kind of statement without legal backing - in fact, it’s such a huge departure from the current positions of the main UK political parties on the Gaza conflict that I personally find it hard to believe that the SNP didn’t expect either Labour or the Tories to table an amendment to remove this wording! Lastly - the wording of the Labour amendment called for everything that the SNP motion did, and also called for the immediate cessation of the annexation and settlement of Palestinian land both in Gaza and the West Bank, all without including accusations of unproven war crimes! So, why the SNP chose to leave the chamber in protest against their bill not being voted on (which, I’ll add, would never have been voted on once a preceding amendment was approved, which as I’ve outlined above was a near certainty due to their own wording) instead of voting for an amendment that gave them everything they were asking for plus more…. I’ll leave that for you to consider. My opinion? The SNP just did Westminster up like a kipper, and will be laughing all the way to Holyrood as their support on both the general election and any future independence referendum goes through the roof.
@LucasChaser1
@LucasChaser1 7 месяцев назад
I do agree with your highlighting this. Decent point about the legal or political implications, but, isn't that the reason for having a vote in the first place. You want to change something, like the UK state's complicit support of collective punishment of a population. You could anticipate those amendments being raised, but by who? People who continue to deny what the ICJ has plausible grounds to investigate or try a case for genocide. Well in a vote on that, I'd be very carefully considering my position. Which is exactly where the pressure was being applied. And rightly so, in my opinion. I don't honestly think the SNP is laughing about it. Yes they may well have scored some political or public gains. But I don't think anyone wanted this mess or could even have predicted it really.
@trevfindley
@trevfindley 7 месяцев назад
Absolutely agree with this. Despicable cynicism from the SNP, and sad to see so many people considering them victims in this situation (not to say that all sides don't come out looking bad)
@Sabina-lo8fv
@Sabina-lo8fv 7 месяцев назад
Just when you thought these people couldn’t screw this country up anymore!!!
@christophergomez7435
@christophergomez7435 7 месяцев назад
My gosh! These are the people that represent the United Kingdom. These are supposed to be Educated people? Our LEADERS? This is an absolute embarrassment to say the truth, they are our Politicians with no example to our nation. When they behave in this manner, what behavior should be carried out on our street or in public when this is the example that is being shown by these Politicians. This is absolutely unacceptable, this is what our taxpayers are paying for. Shameful behaviour, they all are an embarrassment sadly. Growing up, when we travelled, people would always say, how the English people are so well mannered, that we hold such high standards, our products are so well built. Now! I feel ashamed and I wonder what does same people would say now? It sad to see over the last 20 years and even more, especially last 10 years. Where are we heading, what are going to happen to our grand children, really sad.
@richardclark350
@richardclark350 7 месяцев назад
Totally embarrassing, all parties are as bad as each other
@wigwam771
@wigwam771 7 месяцев назад
The speaker is a snake, he is trying to back-fit his concern about MPs into his reasoning, it was all about fairness yesterday. now he is trying to pull Blairs Iraq excuse, 'yes I may have made a mistake and I apologise for that, but, I don't apologise for my good intentions'. The 'I acted in good faith' excuse, what a load of BS and using the death of MP as cover. At least it has exposed yet again the hypocrisy of Starmer's Labour.
@Traceva
@Traceva 7 месяцев назад
There is nothing more beautiful to behold than an SNP’s Righteousness Rage I will miss the SNP when Scotland finally gets their much deserved Independence
@dave2408
@dave2408 7 месяцев назад
I wish they showed the same passion for issues in the UK
@MyRyton
@MyRyton 7 месяцев назад
How the living f can we vote for any of these parties our system is dead
@johnhayward7173
@johnhayward7173 7 месяцев назад
Democracy! No such thing.
@IronsWHU
@IronsWHU 7 месяцев назад
Deputy Speaker is utterly out of her depth!
@garrickclark3965
@garrickclark3965 7 месяцев назад
Does Brian Harvey know about this
@raphaelandrews3617
@raphaelandrews3617 7 месяцев назад
The SNP had a day to present a motion, they did a motion and then Labour decide to remove it and put in their amended motion, with collusion of the Speaker. WHAT A DISGRACE.
@Traceva
@Traceva 7 месяцев назад
Keir Starmer played Lindsay Hoyle Part of me enjoyed it Part of me pissed me off because I was on Team SNP with regards their Ceasefire Motion
@andydyer6591
@andydyer6591 7 месяцев назад
Hoyle is a pathetic Speaker and in light of this corruption needs to go, no question. But I can't help but feel sorry for him, and furious at Starmer for throwing him under the bus to save his own skin.
@madedigital
@madedigital 7 месяцев назад
corrupt and rotten to the core always has and always will...money over nation
@alfeersum
@alfeersum 7 месяцев назад
Has nobody pointed out that this debate was actually a waste of time? I mean, what was it going to achieve? "We want a ceasefire in Gaza" - oh, sure, right. Better tell Bibi then. He'll listen, won't he? "We demand a ceasefire right now! Or we'll... we'll... we'll be very cross! So there!"
@jazura2
@jazura2 7 месяцев назад
Exactly.
@keithkidnerlewis8855
@keithkidnerlewis8855 7 месяцев назад
Labour finished in Scotland. Not long till finished in rest of the UK 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
@dxxxdxxxd
@dxxxdxxxd 7 месяцев назад
They are grown adults 🤣🤣🤣 wow! The every day person, who actually has more reason to act out at their job, would be sent home and terminated or pulled aside to see if their mental health is ok. Jokes 😂
@Mugairyuiai
@Mugairyuiai 7 месяцев назад
All the while watching this, I had a vision of trident plopping in the water 😂
@555beijaflor
@555beijaflor 7 месяцев назад
😂😂😂😂
@greatunwashed1856
@greatunwashed1856 7 месяцев назад
Britannia’s Trident?
@Mugairyuiai
@Mugairyuiai 7 месяцев назад
@@greatunwashed1856 Yeah, you know the one that doesn't work 👍
@DonaldMackay-x7s
@DonaldMackay-x7s 7 месяцев назад
I wonder if Putin had a very good laugh at that little debacle?
@TobiasBaker-c5b
@TobiasBaker-c5b 7 месяцев назад
Perfectly said.
@peterrankin2985
@peterrankin2985 7 месяцев назад
Britain deserves better than this , nobody should vote for Tories or labour again,its time for Scotland to get away from these horrible people who are watching the murder of innocent people and doing nothing about it.lets never forget who they are.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@Sableagle
@Sableagle 7 месяцев назад
Imagine wrecking your own knees, back and liver and getting a dozen flavours of PTSD spending 22 years risking your life for this mob and the readers of the _Daily Mail._
@Tigger-roo1234
@Tigger-roo1234 7 месяцев назад
That hit hard 😢 thank you for your service ❤
@stephaniesnape6787
@stephaniesnape6787 7 месяцев назад
Thank you for your service.
@bluesclues132
@bluesclues132 7 месяцев назад
There is no conscription in this country - respectfully… you knew what you signed up for . And I say this as the nephew of someone who served in the armed forces and died homeless of ptsd and depression related causes . My condolences anyway I suppose . 😞
@cheesedie
@cheesedie 7 месяцев назад
Surely, i would hope you didnt do all that for our leaders?! Did you not do it instead for personal reasons? For your family? Community? Your country? I would think surely you did it for these more noble things! Thankyou for your service
@0w784g
@0w784g 7 месяцев назад
What are you? A piss artist?
@LadyNymeria38
@LadyNymeria38 7 месяцев назад
"...reflects an outdated approach" The whole of Westminster is an outdated approach. Time to put in the past and focus on modernising and improving the Scottish parliament. We have to rid ourselves of this deadweight once and for all.
@tonymurphy2624
@tonymurphy2624 7 месяцев назад
This is pure naked corruption, and it isn't only the speaker's position that's untenable, the deputy speaker is actively running cover and also can't be impartial. Hoyle has always been useless and stupid, but this is a whole new level, and his two post-hoc rationalisations are pure sophistry, with the latter one being actually sinister. Shameful.
@nicolakirton2252
@nicolakirton2252 7 месяцев назад
There is zero doubt in my mind Hoyle is simply reading out the words prepared for him by Starmer himself. Hoyle ìs clearly 100% corrupt, and he is clearly an idiot. If he goes he will be the latest and most significant person Starmer will have got rid of.
@Yayo11111
@Yayo11111 7 месяцев назад
Weak goverment, weak system corrution at the highest level
@pharcyde110573
@pharcyde110573 7 месяцев назад
we the British people hold parliament and all the parties therein in contempt, it would be wise to remember that!
@SennaAugustus
@SennaAugustus 7 месяцев назад
I expect no less from a puppet state.
@NoobNoob1986
@NoobNoob1986 7 месяцев назад
Shameful stuff
@Matt-b5o
@Matt-b5o 7 месяцев назад
he ignored his own advisors....he's got to go
@rdsparttimeDroneflights
@rdsparttimeDroneflights 7 месяцев назад
It shows how broke everything is when King Charles can’t sort out the royal family and the House of Commons looks like both need to go or have a new House of Commons this time for the people not following the who and wef
@breeze_japanese
@breeze_japanese 7 месяцев назад
Surely the Speaker has to go after this?
@TheMarioExpertMan
@TheMarioExpertMan 4 месяца назад
I'm more inclined for Madam Deputy Speaker to resign. Mr Speaker did what he thought was right, and I support that decision. However, Madam Deputy Speaker, the member for Doncaster Central, rammed through 2 divisions, which shouldn't have been allowed treating all members with utter contempt. Although I respect Madam Deputy Speaker, I really do feel it's time for her to resign.
@markdunham9634
@markdunham9634 7 месяцев назад
As an American, I actually find this level of self-reflection and autopsy being done on the floor of the House to be incredibly refreshing. This level of inquiry and holding presiding officers accountable in open session on the basis of rules, precedent and procedure - as compared to the purely political fiasco that was the ouster of U.S. House Speaker McCarthy - is actually healthy, in my view. I also find Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg to be at his best when he valiantly rises in defense of the procedures of the House, with historical perspective and aplomb.
@alaninsoflo
@alaninsoflo 7 месяцев назад
He's got to go.
@everest9707
@everest9707 7 месяцев назад
Is it a coincidence that the SNP (Scottish National Party), who's leader is the muslim Humza Yousaf, with close ties and family relations with palestinians, are concentrating on Gaza and not Scotland? I don't recall them complaining about the thousands of civilians killed in Syria, Yemen, etc
@Cronhour
@Cronhour 7 месяцев назад
Nonsense, he was protecting Kier's complicity from scrutiny. By denying a proper hearing on the Gaza issue he will only strengthen people's desire to hold politicians to account publicly and further understand trust in politics in general. Corruption in a red tie is still corruption.
@asimpervaz9728
@asimpervaz9728 7 месяцев назад
Can someone simply explain what this is all about please?
@RickPeake01
@RickPeake01 7 месяцев назад
Great British democracy in its clearest form.. 😂
@kathrynmarrin4410
@kathrynmarrin4410 7 месяцев назад
Just once, can we pleasantly surprised and proud. Seems not. Snake oil salesmen out for themselves. Felt this kind of disappointment following expenses debacle. What sort of people are these
@MrAshwinChauhan
@MrAshwinChauhan 7 месяцев назад
It's time to remove the use of the word 'Honourable' in the Commons. 😢
@johnsiddle-ri6cz
@johnsiddle-ri6cz 7 месяцев назад
Parliamentary democracy in the UK has failed, and why are they wasting time on the middle east. We in the UK are in a desperate way and all time should be spent dealing with it, we are over two trillion in debt with the NAT. debt. with a green agenda that will double that debt, before we have net zero. We have serious run away cost of living, power in orbit, seems we have it all wrong. Our pensions are a long way below Spain, Belgium, and many more, with standard pension at £800 per month. Spain is app. 2500 euros PM. UK is twentieth in the list of all countries, and we are told we are the richest, we should receive aid not give aid.
@alansmith8195
@alansmith8195 7 месяцев назад
Never trust someone who thinks they should be in charge
@Dark_Nemesis4300
@Dark_Nemesis4300 7 месяцев назад
We really do need to reform this unruly, schoolyard behaviour. Everyone screaming and shouting like toddlers. It is intensely embarassing to everyone in this country.
@deepnlow808
@deepnlow808 7 месяцев назад
If you look closely you can actually see the strings being pulled.
@dxxxdxxxd
@dxxxdxxxd 7 месяцев назад
Actual embarrassment. Anyone really ready to remove all these fools permanently? Children are told off for acting this way in school like..... 😂😂😂 Wtf is going on around this world. How did we end up with these lot in power?? Absolute clowns!
@danielfry3287
@danielfry3287 7 месяцев назад
I blame the Tories from refraining from voting they new what they were doing
@sorcesscores5366
@sorcesscores5366 7 месяцев назад
C’mon. There’s enough blame to go around 😔
@simonjess8471
@simonjess8471 7 месяцев назад
Everyone was to blame, because they were all playing the game. The only potentially despicable act was if Labour attempted to lean on Hoyle. The rest of it is all the usual game playing.
@martinwilliams4759
@martinwilliams4759 7 месяцев назад
It's labour that was at fault
@danielfry3287
@danielfry3287 7 месяцев назад
If Tories hadn't abstained it couldn't of happened they are all corrupt anyway
@bothi00
@bothi00 7 месяцев назад
...and not labour for lobbying the speaker to break convention just to avoid a rebellion ?? This was literally all catalysed by labour.
@iankeeley1854
@iankeeley1854 7 месяцев назад
Labour has to take some blame for this as w
@cinemaipswich4636
@cinemaipswich4636 7 месяцев назад
The Speaker cannot say who the Opposition is. If the Government has 2 or 3 parties as its single mandate, that thing cannot be made over to the several opposition parties. This Tory Speaker will have to go.
@iJoxy
@iJoxy 7 месяцев назад
Lindsay Hoyle is a Labour MP and these actions benefited Labour, not the Tories
@user-pf5xq3lq8i
@user-pf5xq3lq8i 7 месяцев назад
Tory=Labour
@BeccaAl
@BeccaAl 7 месяцев назад
19:02 “I put the question, nobody called against it” Deputy Speaker 🫢 So it passed! Ceasefire now.
@Sickofdrawingcowboys717
@Sickofdrawingcowboys717 7 месяцев назад
Keep your eye on Kier Starmer. What a dangerous piece of work he is turning out to be. Needs to be gotten rid of ASAP
@gailharris5685
@gailharris5685 7 месяцев назад
Never liked him
@CashelOConnolly
@CashelOConnolly 7 месяцев назад
All leaders of each party met with Hoyle before the days vote,as is tradition
@phillaysheo8
@phillaysheo8 7 месяцев назад
The guy is a crook
@srp01983
@srp01983 7 месяцев назад
@@phillaysheo8Hahahaha 😂😂, you must be joking. If it’s crooks you’re looking for, try having a look at Gove, Johnson and Sunak and their corrupt vip lane, and the resulting loss of billions of public money to their chums.
@mrD66M
@mrD66M 7 месяцев назад
Tbf he said that if tories were gonna use dirty tactics he'd "fight fire with fire" a few months back... Judge him by the same standard as the govt
@peetsnort
@peetsnort 7 месяцев назад
So clever with words they cant even tie their own shoes laces. Oh what a tangled Web we weave when at first we practice to deceive
@jasonlomakin6722
@jasonlomakin6722 7 месяцев назад
The only thing i'm surprised about is that the Speaker's 'Friends' at the Israeli Embassy weren't dancing down the Aisle.
@jazura2
@jazura2 7 месяцев назад
They have actual real problems to worry about
@l.j.turner185
@l.j.turner185 7 месяцев назад
If Scotland do decide to leave, which is looking increasingly likely, I’m heading north and going with them
@hughmacfarlane9662
@hughmacfarlane9662 7 месяцев назад
You will be welcome to come and join us.
@hith2re
@hith2re 7 месяцев назад
You can move over here now, we got drinkable tap water
@DdotRay86
@DdotRay86 7 месяцев назад
I dont know what I have less confidence in. A Tory government or Lindsay Hoyle.
@pennymcneela7095
@pennymcneela7095 7 месяцев назад
A Labour Party.
@DdotRay86
@DdotRay86 7 месяцев назад
@@pennymcneela7095 either take your medicine or go back to bed.
@TomWalker-et5jh
@TomWalker-et5jh 7 месяцев назад
@@DdotRay86Shush
@DdotRay86
@DdotRay86 7 месяцев назад
@@TomWalker-et5jh well argued.
@GMN360
@GMN360 7 месяцев назад
Like the majority of the electorate, I am shattered beyond belief what has took place yesterday with the Leader of the Opposition, the Speaker and Deputy Speaker of the House. Their behaviour has reduced me to tears. I never believed this could happen in the UK. It’s time to really fight for our country.
@trevfindley
@trevfindley 7 месяцев назад
Can you explain in detail what upset you so much? I'm finding it hard to understand why ks and the speaker have been exceptionally bad, when it seems like all three parties were cynically trying to catch each other out on procedural points rather than truly acting in the interests of the Gazans...
@jamesorr4061
@jamesorr4061 7 месяцев назад
I don't think most people are that bothered to be honest.
@GMN360
@GMN360 7 месяцев назад
@@trevfindley it was a day allocated to the SNP for them to put forward their bill…they are allocated three of these each year. Labour are allocated 15 per year. Labour (Keir Starmer) ambushed the Bill because the Labour backer benchers were going to divide Labour’s vote with a 50/50 vote. Starmer did not listen to the advise of his Chief Whip which was not to interfere. Starmer and the Speaker had a very loud and public argument as Starmer was trying to pervert the course of justice with the Speaker who sits with a bias towards any party. The Speaker was convinced by Starmer to accept an addition to the SNP Bill. Starmer claimed that his MPs would be in danger with their constituents if they voted against the amendment. It seems the Speaker was swayed by this argument which he should not have. When he announced it, the House went into absolute chaos, the behaviour of which has been seen very rarely. What it all boils down to is Starmer, as a maybe future PM could not be seen to have the split of his MPs at this stage so swayed the Speaker which has now taken away all authority of the Speaker. Starmer turned the SNP day into a Labour day. Starmer is showing his bias towards a minority in this country.
@GMN360
@GMN360 7 месяцев назад
@@trevfindley I replied to you with a full report which is not showing. I will retype and resend as it is a very serious situation.
@GMN360
@GMN360 7 месяцев назад
@@jamesorr4061 if you understood what took what and what has been happening not only in Parliament but also in the work place and general society, you would be extremely concerned.
@ashleyharflett4238
@ashleyharflett4238 7 месяцев назад
School children are better behaved.
@valeriespeed
@valeriespeed 7 месяцев назад
If it is 'Proven True' that Starmer put pressure on the Speaker, if Hoyle resigns/goes, shouldn't Starmer resign /go too? both take responsibility, held accountable.? Who gained from changing the rules? from this chaos? Starmer, and the Labour Party !!
@ladyjasmine5549
@ladyjasmine5549 7 месяцев назад
The Scottish political party !!! Heroes of the day especially Mr Stephen Flynn 💙. You made us believe that there still some humans in the British house commons .
@Traceva
@Traceva 7 месяцев назад
I agree The SNP were treated with CONTEMPT In other words just another day at Westminster
@sallyb3806
@sallyb3806 7 месяцев назад
What a joke !? No respect for SNP, I wish I could vote for the SNP from England
@worldofameiso5491
@worldofameiso5491 7 месяцев назад
Parliament reflects the general chaos which is in all parts of this once great nation. If this continues I can only see our current decline continuing apace.
@user-HannBan
@user-HannBan 7 месяцев назад
This is soooooo embarrassing WTAF ...We are supposed to trust and believe these rowdy lot shouting and screaming at each other, its disgusting .
@SergioLeon-e2e
@SergioLeon-e2e 7 месяцев назад
What a cynical UK government policy. In one hand sending and selling weapons to Israel and in the other hand sending humanitarian aid to Gaza
@2009Spinny
@2009Spinny 7 месяцев назад
Sound like a bunch of kids in the schoolyard, inept
@hashburystumble8808
@hashburystumble8808 7 месяцев назад
I would like to quote Bob Dylan in reference to Lindsay Hoyle (& Kier Starmer) - " I don't believe you. You're a liar"
@smokingbrush2498
@smokingbrush2498 7 месяцев назад
Hoyle will have to have a better excuse than the protection of M.P.s, because this will simply frustrate many, even reasonable people, that their voice is not being heard by Parliament. Placing MP's under even greater pressures at their surgeries.
@smeghead135
@smeghead135 7 месяцев назад
As an ex teacher, ex engineer, if I messed up my job so badly I would have been rightfully sacked. Hoyle is an absolute disgrace along with Starmer.
@NuneatonSmithJ
@NuneatonSmithJ 7 месяцев назад
Steven Flynn is absolutely seething
@nicolakirton2252
@nicolakirton2252 7 месяцев назад
Unfortunately, Flynn is my MP, and having left the SNP myself, and having attended meetings held by Flynn, I guarantee you, this has more to do with attempting to get another independence vote, by the SNP, than anything else. I do agree, though, that once again, it is the Scots who have shown that Westminster is so corrupt, that it needs to close down, because Westminster should be moved to Jerusalem, because everyone in Westminster is WORKING FOR ISRAEL.
@JohnTLK
@JohnTLK 7 месяцев назад
The speaker has shown his contempt for the SNP long ago when he gave up correcting Johnson and his cronies calling them the Nationalist party
@lizdocherty3067
@lizdocherty3067 7 месяцев назад
Nice to hear the SNP actually know what contempt means, now he knows how the people from Scotland feel they have been treated for years.
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