@@madhukarmurthi9064 That's because RSS has to say something but Christians technically are not Indians, so the so-called Christians of India need to become Hindus
Surprisingly well said. Having researched and written a lot on Hindu Nationalism, I doubted its ability to articulate its ideological position on the world stage. But here we go.
Spiritual equivalent of NatCons of different nations meeting & appreciating each others' differences and similarities is called "the Law of Essence". This law is also baked in inside Indian cultural nationalism in the phrase "unity in diversity", and in Hinduism itself that accepts & appreciates Shiva/Vishnu/Shakti even atheism, as well as different paths e.g. Bhakti Yoga/ Karma Yoga/ Gyan Yoga/ Raj Yoga.
“When they (the Congress) were in power, they said Muslims have first right over resources. They will gather all your wealth and distribute it among those who have more children. They will distribute among infiltrators,” Modi said to thunderous roars from the hindu audience. “Do you think your hard-earned money should be given to infiltrators? Would you accept this?” Modi said.
This is myth. Simplify talking is not enough. During congress rule muslim goes down below SC and st , sacher commission reports read. Systematically targeted to minorities.
Not at all. "There was no point in seeking to convert the intellectuals. For intellectuals would never be converted and would anyway always yield to the stronger, and this will always be "the man in the street." Arguments must therefore be crude, clear and forcible, and appeal to emotions and instincts, not the intellect. Truth was unimportant and entirely subordinate to tactics and psychology." JG.
@@reynolddsouza4357 I disagree. Ideas formed by the intellectuals are then dumbed down by the media (i.e, the middlemen) to brainwash the masses. So if you want to get rid of a problem, you need to strike at the root of it, which are the intellectuals. You need to have your own intellectuals (nationalist intellectuals I mean), your own data collecting agencies, your own indexes through which you can form a good narrative that can later on be dumbed down to reach the masses. These dumb, crude ideas without anything real backing them may work in the very short term, but they never do in the long term in the information age.
Mr.Ram Madhav's speech about India's cultural conservatism at National Conservatism platform deserves a an applause. He spoke elegantly on almost all areas of Indian cultural bondage, inalienated spiritual life, love and patriotic committment for their country. Throughout his address, he explained the whole essence of cultrural conservatism in a nutshell.
This is interesting. For most of NatCon, Hindu-Nationalists are not intuitive allies but he’s right about the need for global networks around national and cultural self-determination and this invitation could be an important step for the movement. They’re winning so they’re doing something right.
To me, anyone is an ally who wants to preserve the culture of their homeland. That simple statement does raise complex questions of course but through it all the opposition is always global corporatism and global socialism. The common enemy of all of us
That's correct, the only conservatives who have won election after election are in India. American conservatives aren't even taken seriously, let alone winning elections on their plank.
Hindu nationalism and Western conservatism don't have much in common ideologically. However, they share a common enemy which is the Global Left. NYT, BBC and WaPo is also very disliked by the Indian RW. Also the Indian Left tends to be against Israel and in favour of socialism which is against conservative ideals. A tactical alliance could thus be formed on opposing common threats between nationalist parties. See how the woke Left and Islamists have nothing in common except hating the West and they are able to join forces. Similarly, Western conservatives and Indian nationalists could join forces to keep out socialists, Islamists etc like British Hindus have done voting against UK Labour in the recent election in Birmingham and London (Bob Blackman MP).
yeah. don't simp. some Western conservatives will be ready for it, others will think it's too big a blow to their white christian superiority complexes. Nice try though, isn't it sad that ram madhav is the great bjp ideologue they decided to send? guy is a joker
The Biggest difference between western conservatives and Indians is how they view others. Western conservatives always try to enforce Christianity other religious groups are looked down and always try to convert them. But in India other groups are not looked down and converted like Christians and Muslims do. You practice your religion and can appointed to any position but not America or any other conservative country in the west. See Vivek, he is good but since he is brown and not Christian, people can’t vote for him to be the president or leader of a Christian nation. How religion is used is the biggest difference. A hardcore Christian can live in India without feeling need to convert but Hardcore Hindu can’t live in Christian state
First, majority of western conservatives are not christian nationalist, therefore they believe in religious tolerance and freedom of religion. Second, you told people of any religion can hold office in india while this is not possible in western countries. But guess what, UK is an official christian country has appointed Rishi Sunak as PM that to in conservative ticket. But in india Sonia Gandhi couldn't become the PM because of her foreigness and religion (leaving apart nepotism which I also disagree) Last, have you have any idea how hindus have been successful in proselytising in western countries to western people without any crackdown by its governments because of the privilege of freedom of religion, while in india, the government is bringing restrictions through legislation to freedom of religion and targeting christian institutions. Now stop playing the moral high ground. Western tolerance is 1000× more than the so called hindutva tolerance. People in glass houses should not throw stone at others.
@@thomasninan6423Tell me you consume christian propaganda without telling me you do. XD First becoming PM and all dpesnt matter bcoz racism among conservative whites against Indians is an objective fact. All they show about India is "caste cow and curry". Secondly the successful proletysation of hindus abroad in western countries is result of western liberal values and not owing to them being christain or anything. Third what weed are u smoking. How the hell are christains or muslims prevented from proletysing. Nehru literally gifted the whole NE of India to the missionaries which is why 90% of NE tribals are Christians(Nehru particularly banned any hindu group to go and live in NE). Then not to speak of the enormous land that Church possess in the south(the church has land even in those areas where there lives no chritains) and their monopoly over education sector and academia. I can understand frustation of you that the Modi govt seeing this gave brought in illegal conversion laws and have heavily crackdowned on these ngos and all. Still hindus have less rights in India than the so called minorities. Despite being minority in states of NE, Punjab, J and K etc they are treated as if the majority. The hindu religious institutions like temples are governed by the government but Muslim and Christian institutions are free from any govt interference. Christain and Muslim educational institutions dont have to conform to RTI act while Hindu institutions have to. Basically Indian state legally discriminates between Hindus and treats them as 3rd class citizens. Hindus have better rights in US than in their homeland. Your last line just shows what kind of propaganda u consume. Fyi the kost typical hindutva vaadi organisation is RSS which has a voluntary Christian and Muslim wing. :)
@@sudipkumarroy3790 if racism is that rooted in western countries? Then indian and other ethnicities wouldn't strive at all, especially in politics. If that so, then a black person couldn't become us president, a pakistani orgin can't become a London mayor or an Indian origin can't become UK PM or Progutal PM. So you are consuming a lot of leftist propaganda. Now racial discrimination and stereotyping do exist, but the one who are vocally opposed to that are now other than majority in the west itself. Are we indians not guilty of any forms of racism whatsoever, most of our causal talks on colourism will be found offensive to western audiences. Yes, freedom of religion is a western liberal value, but it is not something that came out of thin air, but came out of western christian societies. It was propagated by christian west throughout even before atheism/irreligious people have any influence in the west. Again overwhelming western cobservatives do hold and advocate for liberal values which I also agree with. India also has freedom of religion and other rights which is enshrined in our constitution. I am not saying that non hindus can't propagate religion whatsoever all across the country. But where ever hindutva is dominate christian have to face targeted attacks on homes,churches and other institutions. And bringing forth legislation as you stated, which targets the freedom of religion itself. And I know hindutva guys do play the victim cards even when they have power at hands, they are no less than the islamist and woke ideologaue. People who preach about tolerance alot are the most intolerant I have seen in my entire life. RSS having christian wing and muslim wing. Doesn't matter if its ideology itself is a exclusivist religo-cultural nationalism and goes against the liberal values of our country's constitution.
Lets agree on one thing: The way of prostelization shouldn't be deceive, fear or money. Individuals should seek it. Also its still important to ask the questions about our existence. Above all our family values are most important to us. As families we are stronger together. We cannot outsource our kids education.
Instead of wasting time on explaining "conservatism", which has a particular meaning for people of Semitic Western background, India should concentrate on explaining what exactly Indian culture is to common man. You can bigin with first establishing the Indian chronology that has been distorted since the colonial era.
The reality is not as optimistic as MadhavJi is stating. We are struggling against left cabal. They are constantly conspiring not only against the Conservative party (BJP) but against the nation itself.
By what angle is BJP a conservative party? Your neta who is supposed to be the most conservative Mr. Yogi ji is building Sectors in Noida dedicated to LGBTQ.
@@an1ketsharma Do you think LGBTQ were born yesterday. There are characters belonging to this category in Mahabharat. All we are doing is give them respectable place just as we are doing the same to SC and ST etc. Hindus always recognized this group. Unlike Abrahamic groups who thought all this evil and unnatural. Hinduism is not an innovation. This is a discovered way of life which tries to understand nature and follows it. Conservative here means trying to return to our Hindu roots which were ravaged in last millennium.
Conservatives in India vs Conservative in US??? Both have almost no commonality in Ideology. Examples:- Most Conservatives in India aren't against LGBTQ rights, aren't against Abortion ..... Yes but they both do have Common antagonist, the Left & Islamists
we need strong groups that understand what islam is. apart from that and abusing kids by brainwashing them in schools, most things are not as significant.
Impractical Nehru was a Gandhi's thrust upon so much so that the old man almost dismantled Indian Army when he had to fight Pakistanis 60 days after he sat in the chair. ''I was roaming in the world of utopia'' and ''they stabbed me in the back'' after his Himalayan Blunder in which his Chinese brothers Mao-Cho grabbed Indian 37000sq km land and killed thousands of Indian Army and POW hundreds and hundreds. It's the Lalbahadur Shashtri Jee's period which earned a respectable face of our Army and nation on the whole.
Ram Madhav articulated Bharat’s (ancient Sanskrit name for India) “cultural nationalism” based on the principles of dharma ( ancient India’s code of ethics) as he put it, as it exists in India currently. However, there are two points of divergence with the political conservative movement in the U.S.: Christian conservatives are in the vanguard of this movement in the U.S. for whom proselytization and conversion is hardwired into their beliefs ( they want to ‘save’ non Christians from ‘damnation’), and their strong negation of climate change. So Bharat’s cultural nationalism/conservatism runs into those two opposing currents in the U.S.
Sir, after 10years of BJP rule, we are still waiting for changes in temple acts, education act and reforms in tax laws emplowering hard working middle class conservative hindus. Do we have a country for our children?
"Hindu nationalism and Western conservatism don't have much in common ideologically. However, they share a common enemy which is the Global Left. NYT, BBC and WaPo is also very disliked by the Indian RW. Also the Indian Left tends to be against Israel and in favour of socialism which is against conservative ideals. A tactical alliance could thus be formed on opposing common threats between nationalist parties. See how the woke Left and Islamists have nothing in common except hating the West and they are able to join forces. Similarly, Western conservatives and Indian nationalists could join forces to keep out socialists, Islamists etc like British Hindus have done voting against UK Labour in the recent election in Birmingham and London (Bob Blackman MP)."
❤This forum has to go a long way to confront woke/jihadi Islam ecosystem . Strange it may look, communist ban Islamist in their countries and Muslim countries ban communists but both work together in democratic countries ❤
Realisation of NATIONAL CONVERVATISM should be realised by2029? lest we shall lose , though we narrowly escaped from defeat in 2024. Ram Madhav has beautifully explained about this.
Hats off to this gentleman. Calling a spade as spade. Like , by any other name a rose is arose, similarly Hindus are hindus with Tharmic values whatever term they are referred.
Well spoken. More such conversations from like minded sanatanis/nationalists from the land of Bharath be made on more such platforms on a regular/urgent basis.
Excellent speech by Ram Madhav. Hope the west listen to this and get ready to face the challenges faced by them in terms of fighting all kind of jihads.
Where did it take place.? .. I must tell u Ramji u r very eloquent in your speech.un compromising .vocal and very clear about our goal for 140 million Indians ? Or one billion hindus .o.k unsparing .happy ti hear.
Excellent talk. Hinduism celebrates the diversity of religion and believes all religions can coexist. There is a lot to unpack in this talk but offers lessons for the west to survive the onslaught of left liberals and Islamists.
He speaks about India's independence movement without bothering to explain that the RSS - the organization that he belongs to, opposed the independence movement and explicitly asked Hindus to fight against it and to join the British army against this movement
I think you are poorly informed. The Hindu right advocated for the youth to get military training and exposure to conflict in WW2 to prepare for post independent India. Congress meanwhile went to prison thereby leaving the field wide open to the Muslim League and jinnah
@@Gappasappa No amount of lies from the Hindu right wing is going to make the statements from savarkar and other members of the RSS leadership go away. The RSS and the Hindu Mahasabha actively campaigned against the INA under Netaji as well To quote these traitors “So far as India’s defence is concerned, Hindudom must ally unhesitatingly, in a spirit of responsive co-operation with the war effort of the Indian government in so far as it is consistent with the Hindu interests, by joining the Army, Navy and the Aerial forces in as large a number as possible and by securing an entry into all ordnance, ammunition and war craft factories…Again it must be noted that Japan’s entry into the war has exposed us directly and immediately to the attack by Britain’s enemies. Consequently, whether we like it or not, we shall have to defend our own hearth and home against the ravages of the war and this can only be done by intensifying the government’s war effort to defend India. Hindu Mahasabhaits must, therefore, rouse Hindus especially in the provinces of Bengal and Assam as effectively as possible to enter the military forces of all arms without losing a single minute.”
Unfortunately, proselytizing is at the core of evangelical Christianity. They have to learn to show restraint in countries like India with strong indigenous traditions.
‘Proselytizing’ is not the core of evangelical Christianity, its core is sharing the message of Christ. A Christian is duty bound to obey the command of Christ to preach the gospel. A preacher’s responsibility is to communicate the message effectively while recognizing the right of the hearers to accept or reject the message.If anyone voluntarily accepts the call to follow Christ, he is welcome. But converting anyone using forceful or fraudulent means is forbidden according to Christian values. It is a universal human right to accept any teaching and to proclaim it.
It is not a universal human right to be able to preach to those who don’t want to be preached. It depends on the culture. For example, several Indian states have banned cow slaughter. But Hindus don’t preach anti-cow slaughter to Americans/Christians. India has at least 5000 years of history with its indigenous traditions. They have no need for Christianity.
Conservatives in the United States decry climate change, however they do believe the the Noah's Ark from the Bible. It beats me. Ram Madhav has articulated it very well.
Hindu nationalism is conservatism the difference is what threat west and America is facing today we had already experienced it and survived it . We were at a bright spot till 100 Ad we successfully averted Greeks ,Huns , later Arabs but fell to Turks coz there was single powerful political power in India at that time .Then we saw Islamic brutality after that European colonialism and came out of it we are they only civilisation which successfully preserved ita heritage whereas great Persia ,Egypt ,Mesopotamia engulfed by Islam and China by communist . Today also islam+communism or left is the only existential threat to every country .
An interesting articulation. A global conservatism is a trickier proposition than global liberalism. Conservatism, in its very definition emphasizes the particular. However, the human mind is capable of acknowledging the rights and genius of others while still respecting their distinct identity.
All ways don't lead to God. Saying so is not secularist either. Pluralism is very different from secularism. Secular= religion is separate from world affairs Pluralism = accepting that many religions exist God : Judeo-Christian concept is very different from Hindu concepts You are establishing false equivalences and strawmam arguments.
Well said. Especially the parts outlining and calling out clearly the points of divergence. Thought our speakers would grovel and only talk about all the common ground and not the SIGNIFICANT differences. Not so.
But it is again questioned by Raulvinchi the immature ,ignorant of real cultaral heritage. And in some places in India political gains are there for Raulvinchi
Good initiative from Indian Govt to explain the West what does Hindu nationalism mean. But what he said at 17:15, isnt it political interference openly? What if Eric Garcity says to Congress or Rahul Gandhi that so many americans are behind you and support your woke movement? Will we accept that?
My dear R.M ji, im not sure whether i should cry or laugh at your statements. The left-issl@mc nexus is running thru the veins of a majority of Indians, esp coz of our education system. The academia is in their control. Pls reform that asap if you even want to have anything left in the next 20 years.
Only thing that bothers me about this talk is the factually incorrect claim that cultural nationalim has won in all spheres in India. Nothing has changed in the basic template and structure of text books. Largely demeaning attitude about Indian cultural values still finds large believers among Millenials and Gen-Z. Wokeism infact is ganing new ground in institutions. Overal trajectory of demographic change remains intact. Just the other day Ratan Shardaji chastised the goverment for 'not doing anything about text books'! Otherwsie well articulated speech.
Nehru was an utopian..was brought up in the theory enunciated by Macaulay.A dreamer.not connected to this soil..of course he was influenced by socialism of Russia..and western thinking of Oxford..neither of both worlds..A failure.
Ram Madhav ji is an eminent thinker of RSS today. Christian conservative would need RSS's support, if they want to retain Europe and North America with them.
It’s a gross error by all concerned to conflate all kinds of conservatism. In fact the very categories of conservative vs liberal are inadequate to describe the ground reality. What should be asked is this. What are American conservatives aspiring to conserve? The answer is this. The principles of their founding, their constitution, the Bill of Rights, individual liberty, small government, free enterprise, the right to believe or not believe in any form of religion etc. What is the RSS trying to conserve? A mythical narrative about a glorious past thousands of years ago, a value system that emerges out of the Rig Veda’s Purusha Sukta, the resultant caste system, inequality, society being more valuable than the individual, the narrative that non Hindus are foreigners and live here at the mercy of the majority etc. Unfortunately it is sad that American conservatives are ignorant about Indian ‘conservatism’. The value systems and world views of both are diametrically opposite. It’s an intellectually lazy exercise to paint conservatism everywhere with the same brush. - Thomas Daniel
NO such thing as World Conservatism. Each society works within its own Overton window. And if you don't know what a Overton window is - guess what - if you are reading my comments you are on a computer - look it up!
@@madhukarmurthi9064 if I was an Indian lefty why would I end up listening to this guy! lol this is the reason why the right wing folks never win social media or online battle since they have such poor quality speakers! Nowadays winning on the ground is also not happening unfortunately!
Chritianity is very primitive and unscientific compare to Hindu Dharma . I was shocked to know when i found out , Church awarded galileo death penalty just because he proved bible wrong. Surya siddhanta is text book older than Christianity teaches very clearly about planetary motion and bulid a calendar based on it. Both abrahmic religion in histroy destroyed existing knowledge and created set of people who hates their own ancestors and unscientific in nature. Wherease Hindu dharma is all about pursuing knowledge. We do not have blasphemy laws as well as zeal to convert others .both system are polls apart but it is good to build alliance to defeat global left as well as islamist .Hindus should study dharmaic books as well as teach kids the difference. Bharat should invest more in science and technology and aim to master and become leader in science and technology. Our dharma unlike abrahmic faith does not stop us from seeking the truth. Its laughable when chritian or islamic people call hindus primitive !
You didn't study Christianity properly. You are quoting Galileo case. It was happened in the dark age ( mediaeval period ). It is done by some extremist Christians. But at the same time there were lot of priests who supported Galileo. In the past Hindus also had many negative things like Sathi ( now also caste system 😷) But we reformed ourselves. There were many scientists, mathematicians, philosophers who were Christian priests. Later Western scientific developments happened under the patronage of Church.You are willfully forgetting the contributions of Christians in India in the field of health, education and other matters. I suggest you to read the biography of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa ( how he got the dharsan of Christ ). Also you can read The Christ We Adore, the book written by Ranganathanada, swamy of Sri Ramakrishna Mission Monetary. Those who studied Vedas and Upanishads ( especially Bhramins ) know who is Christ. But 90% of Hindus are reading Ramayana and Mahabharata only. Even though I am Christian I had Bhagavat Gita and few Upanishads like Khado, Ishowasyo. Here we have a history from 52 CE and we are Indians. Now in Kerala BJP is seeking the support of Christians😷Study the winning of Suresh Gopi BJP MP from Kerala.So don't be a Hindu extremist.
@@rajuthomas7471 cristian in india is oximoron and sign of colonization metal slavery. Sati as well as caste are missionary propaganda. Study Meenakshi Jain work on sati and shri rajiv malhotra work on cast. Converting others for health as well as education that itself is extremist idea and most of india's education system is colonial and does not server hindus much in fact most of NCERT content is factually incorrect. Bible is considered truth "God's on word" wasn't that claim was falsify. Have you ever picked up your ancestor's text and compaired both of them ? I have study various types of bible and old testament does that make sense? Have you picked us Surya Siddhanta ?
@@rajuthomas7471 darshan it self is blasphemous according to christianity ? Most Indian chritian too does not understand doctrinal level chritianity. Most of them are just imostional unaware of doctrinal level christianity. I would suggest explore both more.
@@rajuthomas7471 scientists, mathematician being priest ? Can you do simple math with roman number ? Chritian coming in kerala in 50 CE is another myth . It's not factual . Western scientific development happened when west started interesting hindus "your and mine ancestor". Biblical world view is un scientific ! That's the point ! I would suggest you to study bit more about colonization.
@@v1234able you are talking about the past ( of before 18th century ). What is the stand of Catholic in the modern age. You can study II Vatican Council Degrees to have knowledge about our attitude towards other religions. Now we are following non- violence (don't considered the wars done by so called ' Christian countries - purely promoted by some selfish leaders) in all matters even to our enemies ( muslim extremists, Hindu extremists, political communists..those have no shame to kill other humans😷). As Christians we have the duty to proclaim the gospel of Jesus to other, if they accept it or not. We are not forcing anybody( it is your misunderstanding). We don't kill any body converted to other religion from Christianity. We are only 2.5% of India population after centuries conversion 😄 You afraid of non- violent Christians more than the 18% Muslims, of which some are violent extremists. Why? Think how many European and American Christians converted to Hinduism- you also propagating Hinduism but blaming us and torturing people converted to Christianity😷 In Kerala both Christians and Hindus lived amicably, even though a few( less than 10) hindu extremists tried to came against in recent years, now they are also keeping mum for political gain. Many bjp leaders( Adwani to Piush Goel) studied in Christian institutions and did not feel a light force for conversion. Many like to send their children in convent schools😄 Our aim is to uplift the downtrodden (happened due to rich and upper class hindus) that you are blocking for selfishness. You don't want to help them. Naturally they side with those helping them. So help them to be united with you 😔
Sigh!!! Lots of words and emotions, with no point in sight! Also, they Mr. Madhav seems to be interested in wrongly attributing credit to Mr. Modi for Indian civilizational culture that has been preserved for Millennia.
The budget will decide if BJP has learnt its lesson for ignoring the salaried class and retirees or the FM will continue with her sadistic policies of Robbing the Poor & Old to Pay the Rich Gujjus.
BJP stands for free markets? What rot, I suppose the market is free for Adani and Ambani, but the rest of us have to jump through hoops. Demonization and haphazard GST, export bans, ridiculous oil tariffs, etc. Have decimated our economy. If 'socialist' Congress is so terrible, how come they performed better with the economy? I freely admit that they did put us in a lot of trouble in the early decades, but they are also responsible for many economic reforms. Also, Conservatives stand for small government, federalism and subsidiarity, but Modi is running a one man show, and trying to consolidate all the power in his hands. He has no respect for the co-equal branches of government, i.e. legislature and judiciary.
endia and nationalism are a paradox,there has never been an endian national before 1947 and endia today is an artificial nation that came into existence as a result of British conquest ,a nation is usually created around a people that constituted the great majority of the population and have in common the same language and the same culture regardless of their religious orientation...is endia any of those things,of course not ,endia doesn't even have a national language that is spoken by the whole citizens of that country ,why? Because endia is a multinational country ,a country of many nations,languages ,cultures, races and religions that have been put together by the British conquest not by an organic process of unification ,because you can unify only people of the same ethnicity like for example East Germany united with West Germany and not with Poland even the Germans and Polish people look the same have similar religions and similar cultures to a degree but have very different languages ,the same for example why should Bengali be part of the same country with marathi ,the look the same to a degree ,have no so different cuisines and have similar religions but they have different languages ,we can talk about Bengali nationalism,or Punjabi or Tamil or Kashmiri or Nagaland but we can not talk about endian nationalism because is an aberration and with regards to political orientation ,you can be a communist and in the same time a nationalist ,take China for example ,they are communists and nationalists in the same time ,but those concept can not be perceived by endians ,they want to construct their nationalism based on a religion and one of the most intolerant religions known to man ,a religion that is based on caste/varna/jati discrimination ,a religion that proc;aims that" the punishment for killing a dog is the same as for killing a Shudra"...
You are wrong, India or Mother India, or Bharat has existed for Millennia plus. In our Hindu religious event, in Sanskrit, we do extol the greatness of our Motherland -Bharat-succinctly and boldly. India has been, is, and will -embodying the oldest surviving Civilization’
