Record collecting has jumped the shark. This happens to every innocent, authentic activity. Legos were cool, but now there are shows were adults compete creating Lego artworks. Building a treehouse was cool but now adults are building mansion treehouses. Every innocence, authenic hobby or interest is muscled in on, co-opted by adults, who then ruin it.
Holy crap you know me and my thoughts better than myself! EXACTLY THIS! It's been five years since I've been "record shopping" - still listening to new and old music, but digging through crates isn't fun when you can see Whipped Cream and Other Delights being sold for $35 in poor condition because its kitschy.
Geez. I love The Tubes. And all of these years I actually thought that I was turning many people onto them. Oh well. {smile} Yeah Kris. It is what it is. Nowadays I keep in touch with a few handfuls of the older VC friends offline. They do not have any interest in making videos anymore. Which is cool with me. Mark {Doctor Deadwax} said it well about ten years ago. He said that eventually the original core group of the VC will breakdown and everyone will start doing different things. He was right. Everything changes, evolves, etc... I have met some new people/fellow collectors that I enjoy watching. The VC will continue and we will hold onto those amazing early days of this community that I loved so much. Heck. I have not stopped watching you in all of these years. I love you and Marissa. Thank you for your con't friendship~ Rob/Boston
You like The Tubes? Unsubscribed. I talked to Mark last month on the phone for an hour. The fact that we still talk, its been like 10 years since he made a video, he no longer collects or has records, and we still have a connection is the VC part that is still special to me (and why I am still here), though that is NOT what the VC is for anyone new from what I can tell. That's progress, but I still can reminisce about how my VC was THE VC for a little bit, even if it isn't anymore. Having said that, you and I are glossing over the cliques that were always there, the pettiness and in fighting that came after a couple of years, but since we never got dragged into it - that was always their problem, not outs. But core to the VC was it was decentralized - it was as big or as small as you wanted it to be. I guess for this lady, her VC she is the leader - and I guess she is for her VC. My VC, Trish is the leader. And Paneeks is the patron saint.
Been involved with the VC for 10 years also....it has definitely changed. I miss some of the core ol-timers! I stopped watching vc vids for a year or so, as it was just getting out of hand with all the haters and people bashing on each other. It's a community, not a contest! I watched because I had a similar interest and love music. Period. The ego trips need to be left outside. Period. I have enjoyed your channel over the years and re-subscribed (unsub-scribed from most of the vc channels for a yr or two, as was getting totally disgusted). I'm very selective now...😊
@@retrorhon63 Of course, the VC is as big or as small as you make it - so I remember when all of those mostly dudes with chips on their shoulders started all that trouble, I was never a subscriber of theirs anyway so it never touched me… but then so many people just fed into it, which is always the worst with social media - people making an echo chamber of negativity to get out frustrations they feel in their lives and misdirect it into nonsense. Hopefully I didn’t do that here, because I do hate that. Thanks for resubbing, Rhonda, and I am honoree that Im in your feed.
It’s been awhile since we’ve had one of these type rants, Kris, so thanks for keeping them going. 😂 I’ve been making videos since 2018. Started watching vinyl-related videos in 2017. In all honesty… I’ve never witnessed this Holy Commune that all you “leaders” talk about once existing. It’s probably been “dead” for a lot longer than you realize. My guess is the shelf-life was 3 years - tops. I have a group of folks that I regularly communicate with. I have met people since I started making videos that I consider friends. We’ve met up. We’ve sent each other records. But, I’m always glad when somebody keeps me level-headed and reminds me that it’s just a clique and not a community. Ahhh… I never really cared for labels anyway. Hope all is well on the farm. ✌🏻
Well, the point I definitely failed to make is there are no leaders of the vinyl community. There never was - there may have been some early pillars, but they got bored of the community, vinyl, and frankly themselves and burnt out and faded away. Me, I'm amazing, so I keep cranking out this crap once a week (though the vinyl content has trickled down to a middle aged man's pee stream with an enlarged prostate). Luckily next VC video is on something important, Daniel Johnston. VC has changed, changed some more, changed again, and so have online communities. It's nothing like Compuserve, Prodigy, BBS's, and eventually AOL. Those were the days (not really)...
Thanks Kris. Yes, I did enjoy that - seeing your thoughts and feelings on this matter in real time. Now I will go back in time and watch your early videos! 🙂
There is some fun ones when I just started, then my collecting spree, then it morphs into angry middle aged guy. It's quite the journey! Luckily they are all on my playlist so you can just sort by date and see how cringe the early ones were.
Hey Kris, I feel similar on the people in the middle, those sharing their interests and passions and of course, the one's you'd most enjoy their company with. I guess I've remained in 2014, changing little. Through the changing landscapes of this all, the connections are still there...just a bit more populace to wade through to experience more fully. 🙂-Carm
Oh, that's certainly the way I look at it. Who could I be friends with, hang out with, eat lunch with. Someone shouting and acting manic, that would be for me. And look, still making videos after all these years - we are the real rarities - most don't last more than a year or a year and a half!
Im sorry that i just discovered your channel. I came into the vc during the pandemic. So even though I’m old I’m a youngster to the community. I subbed to your channel. I’ll view your other videos. I enjoyed the rant and understand your frustration.
Thank you so much for checking out the video (and others) - been making a video a week for the past 12+ years I think at this point - they are all broken out in my playlists so you can watch just the stuff that interests you (so old on YT, they used to only let you make one channel, but now they want you to make multiple channels with just one type of content - but its too late now as far as I'm concerned). So glad you have been enjoying the VC - there isn't a city I can go to where I don't know someone intimately enough to just let them know I'm there and they will come and meet me and show me around. That's the real power of the VC - the records are secondary - its the friendships.
Take me to your leader Kris. Everything evolves, but there’s still soul in the VC, it’s just grown bigger, like everything. There are a group of vc creators I watch regularly and enjoy the banter and the music. My music record obsession keeps me here, and I love watching and creating, especially now during my so called retirement. I don’t know this self described leader you mention, but who cares? I feel there’s more crap in the world to get up about. I never thought I’d ever watch adults enjoying a day or two at amusement parks. But watching your travels always make me smile. And ranting can be very therapeutic. Best. M. 🤠❤️🔥
I suppose that's the real problem, Mazzy - bigger groups always disappoint me. Best time you've seen a band is usually in a small club, where you all get it. By time they made it to a concert hall, they may sound better and look better, but that fire is gone. So many great VC members, some I always worry about losing, where I actually learn and discover something. Sam came back, but he's gone into the Arizona desert again, I think. Really, the VC isn't my hobby, making VC videos is my hobby - so it has always been one sided to a point. Making videos for my entertainment, hoping I entertain someone else. Plus, to be fair, if I was going to nominate a current member of the VC as a leader, it would be you and Vinyl Richie - but that's just me.
Hey Kris, i always appreciates your videos (even if I'm not across commenting on every one these days). I don't see this one as being about WHO would be self appointing as a VC leader, but WHY they feel the need to (and to a lesser extent why viewers might accept that unquestioningly). And your video is about rambling or feeling out some answers. Your 'early days of the VC' remind me very much of Dunbar's Number of 150 as being a cognitive limit to a cohesive social group. When it gets bigger, things fragment in different ways, which i guess is how the VC has evolved and continues to provide a different meaning of community to those who participate. Perhaps the size now dictates that some require the notion of a 'leader' to navigate the community. One thing is for sure, it's a long way from the niche community you helped form those years ago. And from what i know about you from your videos, your tastes etc is that you have very niche interests, or things you often discover before most folks (your recent Sparklehorse story springs to mind). Once they become bigger, that feeling of 'speaking to you' recedes as the message becomes more 'universal' and less specific. (I feel that's why i end up loving early albums of bands I discover and don't attach to as many later albums). I should say that the joy of this video and the evolution of your channel for me is that you are the niche that your community has formed around. And that should be celebrated!!
Man, 150 just sounds right - that's about where I noticed it was dissolving back in the old days. Same with the VC FB page. At this point, I am not active enough in finding new channels/watching/commenting to get them to notice me, and nobody new seeks out other people, really, so my only hope is people stumble upon me from internet searches, comments of people I DO watch and know, or my onlyfans page. BUT, I'm past the idea of the VC (sort of), anyway - I make videos, I have friends, people watch me, I watch them, people comment, I comment - and whatever container I fit in this week I will not fit in next week. Given up on the idea of showing only vinyl, or even only physical media, and I just talk about what interests me that week, or if I think I have something to add and maybe entertain. People will watch or not (or try to tear me down for not fitting in the container THEY think I need to be in). Hope everything is great with you, Dean. We have been decluttering/removing stuff in the house which is 20 years overdue and it has been nice to have less stuff. We have A LONG way to go, but every step is a forward step. We have also been obsessed with watching the channel Drain Cleaning Australia, and now I know what a Dunny is.
It's always fun to listen to you expound on the vinyl community. lol Things change...seems like too frequently they change for the worse. But remember to always look on the bright side of life. (lol....I have no idea how Life of Brian popped into my head but that particular phrase always seems like good advice.) Now I have to get busy trying to figure out who has 50,000 subscribers.
Someone PM'd me and apparently people figured it out! HA! I would have figured nobody would have - but oh well. I don't mean to give her any grief or pull in drama, it was just something I felt and ranted about at the time. Live and Let Live, right? BUT, we all have opinions, and despite what some guy on the internet says, your opinion matters.
@@dixielandfarm How's Walt doing? You may have noticed that no dogs are interrupting my videos any more. Sparky was euthanized at the end of July, and Jim (the blue-tick beagle) was euthanized at the end of January. So it's just me and Mittens the cat here now. But I'm thinking, some stray dog looking for a home might show up before long....that's how Sparky came to live here. In the meantime, for the first time in 22 years I can leave the house without stopping to think "Do the dogs need to go out? do they have water?" lol
@@RandallWeaver Walt was put down about two years ago. He had slow kidney failure for years, and one day he basically couldn’t move or do anything and we knew it was time. Always heartbreaking. Our greyhound Ella is still with us, but she is 13 and now pees in the house two or three times a day - luckily its always in the kitchen so we have adult incontinence pads down to help with cleanup - she just cant hold it. We are on borrowed time with her as well, but she is just as spry as when we got her. We lost our white barn cat Willie - literally. He would go in hunting sabbaticals and disappear a few times a year for a day or three. Well, this one he just didn’t come back - either a coyote got him, a car, or his medical condition (we had to give him daily medicine for slow intestinal movement, and without those he could have succumbed.). We do have Jim - a small terrier that was my mothers (she passed) and he is a little bundle of joy. We also have another new barn cat Seamus - someone literally abandoned him at the farm - we were inside and heard two honks - we go outside to see what was up and there was a tiny kitten.
@@dixielandfarm I remember the video about the end stage with your mother, but I don't recall the dog part of it. Or maybe you didn't mention the name - I'm sure I would have remembered another dog named Jim. Sounds like he has adapted well to living with you. Best wishes with Ella...
Hey Kris! I think of you as a leader...If not a leader then a figurehead...Or a patriarch...Maybe a bigwig...A gaffer...A Kingpin...Perhaps a mentor...Or a gov'nor...Definitely a trailblazer and pathfinder. I'm merely a Johnny come lately...A follower...Perhaps an apostle...Or a VC hanger-on. It sure what that makes the new folks? Captain! My Captain!
I would always be preferred to be known as the VC Pervert, but I think Robert Zee took that title away from me years ago. I'm more of a passive aggressive know-it-all failed hipster, but then again, that's true of most record collectors. Out of most of the VC channels pumping out different variations of the same content (including me), Sir Headley stands alone with his unique Country Rock collection, along with Zeek and his redneck peckerwood Country. For a long time Psych was the new Jazz in the VC - now, I think its reissues or tone poets.
Hi Kris, I still watch your videos when they pop up on my feed. I used to watch all those people you listed. I remember years ago you sent me stuff when I was making videos. It meant so much to me. I always intended to repay the VCLT, but life happened, and I never got to it. That's bad on me. I still have most of my collection, but I got priced out of the active collecting, got married, moved, etc to where it just wasn't something at the forefront anymore. I'm glad you're still making videos and I still enjoy them. Troy
My goodness, Troy - it has been forever! I hope you have been doing good - and VCLT is always given in the spirit of a gift from one to another - never a debt or expectation that something needs to be returned. It's been at least five years since I have bought a vinyl record - same thing, it was fun when it was cheap - but now I'm at the point where I am trying to find rarer stuff, and honestly all of that is free on RU-vid - I can just listen to it here (and probably in better quality than what I would find in the wild). Also, at least for me and my friends (who were budget collectors), the vinyl enthusiasts have become like wine snobs - record collectors always had that aspect, but now it is way more pronounced and prevalent. I really should be digitizing these things and moving a large percentage back into the market - I don't think it has bust yet and I could make a small fortune - but I'm too busy for that. Take care!
I don’t know who’s channel you’re referring to, but I do agree, it’s irresponsible to name yourself a leader of the community, I understand the frustration. I started like 6 or 7 years ago, I remember what it was like then, and it still had that charm. I got kicked out of the community early on by one of the old curmudgeon VC “leaders” 🤣 So a few months in, I just started making friends and I was told I wasn’t welcome because I sold records on the side. I just felt like there was too many rules, and I wouldn’t walk on eggshells. So I stopped addressing the VC in my videos and just made them for whoever would watch, and I still found my community on RU-vid. Anyways, all that to say, although I don’t agree with appointing yourself a leader, I think there’s still community to be had. Not everyone is gonna know eachother, but I’m just thankful there’s enough interest in vinyl to have so many people watching videos. I don’t think you and I have ever met in person but I’ve seen a bunch of your videos and have been subscribed for a long time ✌️
Oh, that's horrible to hear, Dillon, and definitely I could see that happening. Just like any hipsters, vinyl collectors have a whole set of rules that you have to know, and if you don't know them, you're out, and I know for a fact one of them was selling records - which is utter nonsense. Vinyl collectors HAVE to sell records to be able to afford the rare stuff - there is no way to be sustainable after you have gotten the bulk of normal records - you have to buy collections, go to estate sales, and flip to be able to get the $500 record (that you got in a collection for $1000). BUT, because they weren't at that kind of position (or intelligence) they immediately turn it into "selling out". Utter nonsense, but I totally see how people would do that. Record collecting has always been a masturbatory hobby for the most part - you go in alone, you purchase alone, you listen alone. The VC was one of the more novel ways to be an exhibitionist. Good records shops (like yours, who make it inviting) are other places, but you are limited in geography, population, finances, etc. while anybody with a desire to be on cam can just come on and join. No barriers, but some of that anti-social behavior can creep in. Its funny - just like a few other hobbies that are just about enjoyment and sharing your love of the hobby, it always gets clique-y and filled with rules by people when the truth is there are no rules (or leaders, or mayors, or dues) - film snobs, coffee snobs, wine snobs, record snobs - its just part of it. These rules are set up to obscure their own limitations or dislikes - but, even the concept of laws are all made up. An entire society could simply decide, nope, and that's it. Bad, easy example - gay marriage - it wasn't a thing 20 years ago, and probably inconceivable for the general population. And now it is, with no real question about it. Can't even think of a time when it wasn't.
@@dixielandfarm How does one get kicked out of the vinyl community? I thought that the VC was just a hashtag one adds to their videos for the viewer easier searches? No? This is all I know of it = #vinylcommunity
@@rockrecordreport7136 Nope, it has a history that is about 16 years old when it was still dial up modems at most homes and it was a group of people who knew everyone, frequently sent gifts to each other, made threads and contests, and even hung out in real life. People travelled from different states or even countries to meet up with each other - I hosted friends I never met before in my home, and that wasn’t uncommon at all.
@@dixielandfarm Oh you mean even earlier than that, like Richard Foster's Phonogram newsgroup and that crowd? I was there and a part of it. But I didn't know anyone could throw you out of the "community" as I would and did laugh in their face if they dared try.
So young, but the one takeaway I have was his spirit - he never lost faith, he always had a bright smile even towards the end. I was making some plans to visit next time we went to Florida - he was just one of the most positive people I have ever met.
When I think of all the expenditure I've incurred posting records off here there and everywhere to people who then took their channels down and never contacted me again, I find I don't miss too much of the 'VC'.
I can't tell you the amount of times I sent a package to someone, never to hear from that person again, let alone a thank you. I think people just forget we are actual people - with jobs, lives, desires, etc. Still, I have made a ton of friends here - there isn't a city I can't go to where I don't know someone and can just let them know I'm there and they will meet up with me, which is still super cool.
When I started making videos, the VC was a lovely, supportive place. I joined because I live in the middle of nowhere and it was great to connect. Now, you can watch grown adults argue with each other over nonsense. It is bizarre. I blame the pandemic. It reminds me of school. Still a few wonderful channels out there. John's (6inchpianist) recent video with Hedley and Paul was extremely enjoyable. I've not made many videos over the past year - life has intervened but hope to get back to it eventually. All the best to you as always. I enjoyed your video as I did your one on Sparklehorse. Cheers for now, Steve
All the arguing is so childish and seems to revolve around the live streams. I don’t really consider the live streams as part of the VC. I see them as two separate things.
I couldn't agree more, Richie. People who like that, that's fine (of course), but it does nothing for me and only seems to cause hurt feelings, so I don't see the benefit - but maybe people get camaraderie out of it. It sort of seems like the virtual version of record snobs making fun of kids buying Fleetwood Mac albums in a records store, lambasting them for not knowing Peter Green Fleetwood Mac, but that's my take on it.
Thanks so much for that, Steve. Of course the VC is only the group you know - at this point its the people you watch and who comment on your stuff and that's as far as it goes, really. But, its less a social club than it was, and I always harp about that (and its probably boring for most people). Livestreams in the beginning used to be nice - see a dude you are friendly with and get into it on a deep cut, but now its people just reading comments in the chat and grunting answers back - not really learning opportunities. We tried making group chats in the beginning, but that failed. I have NO idea why we just don't open a zoom channel every once in awhile like meeting in a virtual pub - Hey, I'm making a Zoom room this Friday, 8pm EDT - 11pm EDT - join if you want to hang out. That way it isn't this one person sitting like a schlump on a couch and you are watching him read chat - you could just mess about.
My heart goes out to you kris..... 08.40sec.... YEP! that's why I've spent many an hour or three watching different "you tubers" to enjoy their passion with them, hear something new. I've been watching the VC for many years but only recently started to comment, didn't feel it was my place as I don't make video's. Jeff Party is a VC member I miss, I bought many Van Morrison albums because of Jeff. Thankfully there are many that are still putting video's up that are full of passion, knowledge, humour and love for vinyl. Thanks for the video Kris, totally get where you are coming from. All the best to you both. Floss. P.S. SORRY but I haven't watched your latest Disney video yet, saving it for a quiet evening with a cuppa.
I think I remember Jeff Party! I have met with people who have been viewers only for years (even show up in one of our old Disney videos) - just because you don't make videos doesn't mean you are excluded from the community - any participation of any type counts. Same with WDW community. Passion is definitely #1, and this person has it - her videos are fantastic and impeccable. Even well-worn albums I learn something or get a different perspective - no faults on that. But no one channel is better than another, and a kid starting out who has heart is every bit important and valid as a TheNeedleDrop with 100k+ subscribers. Since I was an early person while YT was only a few years old, it is that sense of democracy and level playing field that is still stuck in me - and that is probably what irked me. Hope you are doing good, Flossy - just finished editing the final day video from WDW, but we are looking forward to our next trips away from Disney and sharing those!
So good to see you, and I always appreciate the support you give me, Hubert. Some of the people I mention I still actually talk to now and again - some of us are in a private FB group. A good percentage of them got out of the hobby entirely. I'm more than happy to be hear - I still have loads to talk about, though I think these types of videos have had their heyday. The person I reference in the video calls their videos "episodes" which is a whole different way of thinking of these things. Take care and hope your spring is as lovely and warm as ours.
@@dixielandfarm We had a lot of new snow til yesterday. From coming Sunday on it supposed to be much warmer and I’ll be on “my” campground very close to the French border for some weeks.
Chris, So great to see you again. I Don't know who you are talking about but I totally agree that how can someone that is just starting out call them the leader of the community. That is ridiculous, How can anyone say that when it is not true. Hope in the future you have more vinyl videos because I do miss them, but that is up to you. Take care
Even if they are starting out and had 100k subscribers, it is a decentralized group of weirdos - who would every want to be the leader of that? :P I keep trying to squeeze them in when I can - the travel and flight sim videos are slowing, so I will have more time to talk about music. Take care, Richard!
I agree with you on all of the above -except I think the community is still alive and well…it just isn’t hitting the algorithms like everyone with the surprise face and slick thumbnails. Your commentary cracks me up because 1) there are now so many vinyl communities I haven’t seen this chick and 2)she is the 3rd person I have heard claiming they should be the “leader”. I really think we may need a VC rebranding as the name has been co-opted. I definitely think the streamers don’t want community, they want viewers. I definitely don’t think the “influencers” or those who strive to have a tv show don’t want community. BUT, there are pockets of people still doing the vinyl community thing! The “youngest members of the vc” get together and love records and share the music they love (but honestly, I think their community is safer being apart from the old farts who have become drama hounds). Anyway, we’re still out here! Paneeks is still out there! YOU are still out there! We just have to keep from losing anymore good folks to the frustration of it all. ❤️
Wow, great comments Jenny! Influencers - it is also what took away a lot of the fun I used to get in the Disney World Community - everyone angling to make the same exact video so they can quit their jobs and go to theme parks as a career (which is unsustainable). Literally hundred wannabees. Flight Sim community, same thing - people who want to be professional streamers and they give no real knowledge or value, and 3/4 of the time doing the same stupid shoutouts to people who subscribe or give donations. As for drama hounds - oh yeah, people have tried to get me to watch those dog fights - always seem to happen on livestreams - which are also incredibly boring - its one person responding to whomever is in chat (or on screen) and barely talking about anything - its like watching assholes debate sports in a bar. Plus, just the market has changed - we made videos 10 years ago where you could get cool records for a buck - and while you still kind of can do that, my local thrifts have dried up because there is a record store in town that goes daily and literally will buy a Billy Joel album VG-- and sell it for $40. Piano Man for $40 in unplayable condition. At this point, I have my friends - since new people don't seek me out, I have kind of given up my monthly searches for them (Paneeks and I use to literally search for "Introduction to VC" and find them). I'm more than happy to watch new people, but now it is due to shoutouts or I seem them comment a lot and click - otherwise I'm one of the old farts now. Plus, I'm not going anywhere - I haven't scratched the surface of stuff I want to talk about. Daniel Johnston video is my next one.
@@dixielandfarm Those who want to be influencers just make my whole self cringe…to the point that when someone starts the “Like and subscribe and smash that bell” script, I turn it off…unsub…not interested. I know we make vids to be watched, but I want *friends* to share with and not numbers I can’t keep up with. I actually do care about your knee and Rob’s Mama and Randy’s sick cat….And the records that help you through it all! lol! We look up Vinyl community 2012(or pick a pre-stream revolution date) and enjoy the enthusiasm of folks back then just stoked to find cool wax at the thrift. Our thrift store employees tell me there are folks who come 4-5 times a day to make sure they get anything good for their resale businesses. I don’t fault anyone for making a living, but it sure has taken the thrill out of the hunt knowing most likely those records that should have been a buck will be 40x that on marketplace tomorrow. Just gruesome…(ps- don’t think it’s keeping me from thrifting. I still hope to be the one that finds that weird something special despite the odds😂) Anyway, Hang in there! Your voice is always welcome and needed around here. And I will be there for your Daniel Johnston vid!
@BORNOUTTATIME60sI understand ya gotta take breaks when the poop seems too deep to make it worth sticking around…but I hope you always return with that great energy and oooh those tunes!
Hey Kris I liked this ramblage, and you made some interesting points. I've only been a ' VC member' ( whatever that is) for 4 years and i have less than 500 subscribers..i would wager that less than 10% of those watch my videos regularly and even less so comment. We're all fickle, and i'm as guilty as anyone else for subscribing to a channel i find mildly interesting and then not watching regularly whenever they upload. Having thousands of subscribers means zip and there's genuinely no sour grapes here..no way every person who subscribes watches your videos all the time, it just doesn't happen..therefore those 10 -20 who do take the time and comment are those that clearly value the content that you produce and in my case those are generally the channels i follow, because there's that connection, a kinship that resonates and that's important...gimme 20 people that care and comment regularly over 50,000 faceless/ voiceless subs any day of the week. Take care. Rob.
Hey Rob - it is just a different type of metric - but even someone came in and said it was jealousy on my part - which is definitely isn't. There are people who do this for a small group of people (your fans) and that's it, and there are some who do it to reach the widest amount of people possible and build a following (something like an influencer, but not necessarily). For me, it has always been about the friendship and the people who interact, since I have very limited friends in real life - and I think what I was trying to say for part of this is, that's the way it is for a lot of people - so there is no leader, per se - we are all leaders of our own channel, and nobody is bigger or better than anyone else.
Hey Kris, dug the rant. I’m good with having a leader. I just need to know their channel name, so I know where to send my complaints and questions. Let her handle all the disputes and disagreements and hand down the new rules. Being a leader has responsibilities. Hope you’re doing well. I’ve cut back on video watching big time. I feel bad about it. The whole obligation thing, ya know. But I’m actually getting stuff done and having more quality time. Haha! Take care, Jon
I've stopped watch a lot - but mostly because I have been reading some books, learning about a few new topics - but once that is done I will be able to come back - there is only so much time in the day. PLUS, at some point I got fed up by the clutter in the house, little things broken, etc. so I have been dedicating my time to really getting rid of junk. Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters, or so I have been told. I actually still have one or two of yours downloaded that I need to watch and comment on (that's how I do it, I actually download them and then have them ready to go when I have time so I don't forget).
@@dixielandfarm Kris, I just finished renovating our master bath Sunday. It’s a nice feeling to check the things off the ‘to do’ list. I haven’t made a proper video in months. Been fiddling with guitar instead of video watching. So my only videos are kinda for myself, just to capture guitar progress. Nice to hear you’re reading books. I seemed to lose the ability to read around the same time I got a iPhone. Weird. Cheers!!
Hi Kris. New to your channel, but we share some common acquaintances. While I agree the "leader" talk is pure rubbish, this "way it used to be" conversation is not a new one, and probably won't ever go away. You are right that things have evolved, and will continue to do so in ways no one can likely predict 5-10 years from now. That said, the spirit of "community" is very much alive and exists from the newest collectors to the oldest, most opinionated trolls out there. As long as they aren't hurting anyone or being malicious towards others, may they enjoy their "community" as they see fit. It's not uncommon for these channels, upon reaching a particular amount of subscribers, to directly or indirectly form their own "community" where the primary common denominator was that person's channel in the first place (TMR, M45 are just a couple examples). Maybe that is what she was thinking of in terms of being a "leader"? Who knows. That said, not everyone has an encyclopedic recall of music, an artist, or album - just like not everyone should makes their thumbnails the same (I'm guilty of using - gasp - different facial expressions in mine...big deal). The fun is sharing whatever these pieces are making you feel, and sharing it (often) with people who are welcoming to that same enthusiasm, even when not exactly aligned with that taste of music. Now it looks like I've started a mini rant of my own - your fault, sir 😃
The one thing I have always said is the VC is as big or as small as you make it - it can be five people or it can be five hundred if you wanted it - but those connections are the real heart of it and you are doing yourself a disservice not participating like that. And some of the things I miss is not treating your channel like a channel - but just a platform to interact. Less of a structure, with "episodes" and more of, here is what I want to share and lets talk about it. Happened about 10 years ago where I noticed people not responding to comments. I respond to every single comment - people took the time to write to me, I'm doing that back. I get someone with huge numbers can't do that - but even when they were small they didn't do that. It's a mindset. Oh, and I love rants, and I think more people should not feel inhibited - they should express themselves, get it out, even if whatever they are talking about is only true in that moment, and that second. The other problem with the internet/social media is there is no sense of time - people change in a matter of seconds sometimes, but a post stays frozen. Thumbnails - I had to get my rant on that - a necessary evil - you have to attract someone's attention (we make these things so people watch), but there is only so much you can do on a small canvas. Headlines are also similar - there is a certain amount of leeway on what you can do, and no matter what, it is rarely creative or innovative. BUT, hopefully I didn't get in your head about it - or if I did and you laugh, even better :) Thanks so much for watching and stopping by to comment, I appreciate it!
@@dixielandfarm Appreciate the response! Agree with a lot of what you said here. No worries on thumbnails - just having a little rib, that's all. Best - ✌
Yeah - its not so much that this and other platforms is changing so much is I think they are missing the opportunity of what we DID have that bothers me. We had less echo chambers then, and that also might be my problem. Actually I'm my problem, come to think of it. Good seeing you, Richard. I always keep thinking I still owe Richard that video on "can you hear the difference" I promised years ago.
Hey Kris, I ask myself a lot where I fit in these days since everything keeps evolving, growing, and changing. I certainly can't keep up with watching everyone like I used to and sadly it's been harder to record videos for a while now, even though I really want to and say "tonight is going to be the night to do it" almost every day. I still love the hobby though. It did make me laugh when I saw "leader of the vinyl community" in your video headline. I thought it had to be a joke and then you said someone actually called themselves a leader of the vc. Yeah, I can see how that got under your skin because I feel it too. I think what I've determined of who I watch and try to keep up with are who would I like to be friends with outside of YT. I do still follow a bunch of prog community channels but I don't particularly like a lot of their personalities so I guess they are the exceptions. So I'm meandering too as I don't think I have a clear thought other than I feel similar to you although I do feel there is a community or communities and they've just gotten bigger and even more cliquey than before. I wish I could've experienced those early days of the VC. It sounds lovely. Even when I started (March 2018), although I'm sure it was very different than the beginning, I really felt more part of a community than I feel now. We're trying to pick our dates of when we are coming down in June. I'll keep you posted as I would love to meet up again if the timing works for you.
Carm and I was just saying that - it is definitely the person we are attracted to on who we watch, otherwise we'd just read wikipedia. Who would we want to grab lunch with... I guess the overall issue is sort of what got JoJo Siwa in trouble recently - she said they should make a genre of music called "Gay Pop", and its like, know your history! So, in the same vain, anointing yourself a leader with no recognition or knowledge of the rest of the community smacks not of arrogance, but ignorance. Early days still had issues - it was just a little more eclectic - its how a Trish was able to thrive while today she would have been stamped out by negativity and "rules". Just give me a ring, I'll be here!
Agree 100% Remember all the great Channels you talk about Doctor Deadwax(a big favorite),Teddy👌 Rodger Coleman,Deadwax 66,Earhead Six,Rob Paneeks/Boston, remember a Guy from UK that always sat on the floor in front of his HIFI and showed Records,Members of VC visited him I started to watch 2012 Greetings from a 57 year old Guy in Sweden
Thanks so much for stopping by and saying hello. I actually talked to Dr. Deadwax last month on the phone - he is actually out of the hobby and sold his collection. It's funny how we get so intense on a hobby and then one day, we got our fill and we don't anymore. Sometimes we come back, sometimes we don't. I remember pouring over books and building antennas for Ham Radio - and then one day, just stopped.
Paneeks is still around! Deadwax 66 is still spinning great tunes on streams regularly! Just saw Earhead Six the other day on our chat. Good folks still abound!
As per usual, I am in agreement with you. I do think a lot of the changes in the VC are due to the way RU-vid has changed. It's a different medium than it was 10 years ago. Some channels utilize what I view as "tricks" to garner a wider audience. It's short term gain at the expense of having a more engaged audience. I think the advent of shorts is big part of the problem. It introduces a type of video that requires no basic knowledge of music, nor any real opportunity to engage with people. It's wham, bam, thank you ma'am, and it's over. Nothing said, nothing learned. But there is also a little staleness in the "scene" as it were, in my humble opinion. Folks need to listen to an album from an era newer than the Carter administration. There are channels that go live for upwards of four hours. Four hours?! WTF could you possibly be talking about for that long, and how could I possibly stay awake for all that? Anyways, that's probably off topic and more a pet peeve of mine. The VC (to the extent it still exists as a community) does seem a little cliquey at times, too. I've always felt outside of any of the subgroups in the community, anyway.
Oh, I've lost VC friends giving my opinion on livestreams. For the most part, they are ego boosts to prove you have friends at least online when you don't have any in real life. YT in general was such a wonderful place (and still can be) for creativity, but out of nothing other than a metric (which can be ignored!) people settled into these tropes and methodologies that are homogeneous. Every thumbnail with the same damn font - same clickbait titles, same windup to say nothing except for the last few minutes - nobody cutting to the chase, just rambling forever until they get to the point. That's EVERY type of video (not just the VC) - and the same stupid like, comment, subscribe, give us a thumbs up, check out our instagram, join our patreon, hit us up on our discord... It's boring. And there are NO rules saying you have to do that, just like really there are no rules on how you need to live your live, but here we are. Luckily we do have a hundred different Vinyl Communities - mine is the friends I made here and the people I watch and watch me - it had a lot of overlap earlier, now it has become very specific. You've always been part of my VC, Dave :)
Yes, those days when we did all know of each other and were able to watch and comment on each other's videos. Remember the "follow up" video option we used to have? Like we could Link a video to a video? Those were fun.
I FORGOT about that option! Follow-ups were so great... yet another nice thing removed for progress. Well Blake, times change, places change, but people don't change - we all still like to belong to a group and we are losing a nice group to a generic model that is kind of been happening on many platforms. Luckily most record nerds are anti-social anyway, so we will just retreat back into our caves and cry alone, like always.
Well Kris, I've been proclaiming myself "leader" of the DVD/Blu-ray Collecting Community (Or are we a corporation? It's hard to tell sometimes.) for years now, and nobody's started following me yet. So, what the hell...I give up! Seriously, I get what you're saying. My motivation for being on YT is the same as it ever was: to express myself and to make friends. If I ever start thinking of myself as an "influencer", it's time to take a cold shower. By the way, I didn't know that Memphis Jim had passed away. I'm very sorry to hear it. May he rest in peace.
That's one reason why I also wanted to mention it, Mike - I know not everyone who would have remembered him has anyone left that is around who was in that group. He was a young guy, but he never lost faith and was inspiring to see his positivity as he declined - if anything his spirit grew stronger. That's not me - but I do wish it was. I would definitely say you are a leader of a VERY specific DVD/Bluray collecting community - VERY specific, just like I'm a leader of the VC farmer and flight sim enthusiast community - a community of one, so far. But I'm a leader, damn it!
That’s interesting. I started doing videos around 3 years ago, which was probably the post covid VC turning point, more channels , streaming etc. Realistically a community is always going to dilute when it grows larger, it can’t really do anything else. A victim of its own success. One nteresting thing I find about videos where the original or early VC creators decry the loss of community...they always seem to mention that most of the original channels stopped doing videos 4/5 years ago..which does make me wonder if there is an element of rose tinted glasses at play..I mean how good could it have been? 😊 My gut feeling is people just come & go..get bored..run out of records to show...& this will remain until the stylus finally lifts..clicks back into place...and we’re all six feet under...with our kids wondering how to offload all our crappy albums! 😊
Oh, definitely rose-colored glasses, but not about the people, just about the camaraderie which is much more muted than it was in the past. Literally sent out over a 100 packages of VCLT back in the day, can't count how many I received and that isn't really a thing anymore. Probably rightfully so, because out of those 100 I have sent out, I probably haven't heard from 80% of those people in ten years. Been here long enough to know the average lifespan of a channel is 1 to 1.5 years, tops. A few make it past, but it gets less and less who have been here longer than three years. People don't tend to pace themselves - so they make a ton of content all at once, and then run out of things to talk about. Then they start to feel like they have to MAKE themselves make content which sucks the fun out of it and they just get bored. Thanks for stopping in!
I hear you Kris. The VC has always been Vinyl Community but the change has been to Vinyl Content. I listen to as much music as I ever did - went to a concert last night - but am not as driven to make and watch vids as I once was. That's on me I think; I just need to drown out the 'noise'. Hope you are well! Cheers, Tom P.S. RIP Jim. I recently heard the news from Rob Paneeks. P.P.S. I forgot about Blake. Hated his sleeves 🤣
Vinyl Content - that's it for sure. How can these be fun if they are untouchable? I don't want to collect baseball cards, never to look at them and spend hours cataloging them. Well, never make a video if it isn't fun. I still have fun making my stuff - some things get 50 views, some get 500, but my enjoyment is always the same (but it is ALMOST always I wish the 50 views got 500 and the 500 views got 50, like this exact video for instance). Also, we've been around forever - at this point we saw almost all the stuff we like, we know what we need to hear and haven't yet (and don't want that to be homework), and anything else we don't care about probably, so what's left to watch? Other than the people we like to listen to talk and wish we could hang out in person, that's about the end of it for us. So, I watch the people I get a kick out of.
@@dixielandfarm It does crack me up that I'll get the same number of comments on videos that content creators get who have a thousand times the subscribers to me, which speaks exactly to your point about community.
When I first read the title, I said, Kris is surely not declaring this, that is not him. fun rant......enjoyed it!!! But Bingo, you called them out. hmmmmm, but who? hmmm? Arriving in the middle of the VC extravaganza, I loved it as it was about knowledge sharing, respect, friendship..... but minus ego and the "me" attitude. Some folks just can not handle attention properly, oh well. I have been entertained quite a bit seeing these, human behavior is just fascinating. I find I can not listen to the majority of Sports radio here in NYC, gearing to younger crowd and gambling. Then there is the age / lack of experience of the announcers on "how" and "what" to deliver. They lost the total concept of what the topic should be about and a few with egos. So somewhat related to this approach. Yup, my VC toleration has declined, and avoid now watching many which is sad. Watching a lot of Cop Body cam / interrogation ( I wanted to be a detective / FBI, for the human behavior part) and some traveling vids.
It's also a generational thing, I think - me being an old man at this point. We were never going to be instagram people. We were never going to do the same poses everyone else does on whatever platform. So, it shouldn't be surprise that the surface level of that social media would go into the ethic of another platform - flash and sizzle being important. And maybe it IS important and I just am a dinosaur who can't adapt. But again, I always like low production value material - your B movie usually has something more interesting in the subtext than your blockbuster. I've been obsessed with this guy in Australia who cleans drains - he LOVES his job and he almost always succeeds - thus a happy ending every video.
@@dixielandfarm lol...yea dinosaurs. When I started my first job in IT professional in 83, the 40 yearolds were still wearing Beatle Boots. I was laughing and said you gotta change. NOPE, no reason to, we just ride our own wave. Like you I know zero about any of these media platforms other then FB. I keep telling my wife, I do miss 30 years ago complications.
Yeah man, I'm totally with you, and a great way to get me to ignore you is to make one of those thumbnails like what you were talking about (i.e making a stupid face). It is kinda funny how every year or so, someone comes up and starts throwing a hissy fit because we didn't instantly make them our king... but the shit you're talking about, where some newbie comes along and garners 50,000 subs in a year and half, can be pretty demoralizing even if, metaphysically, we don't give a shit. Anyway, I've been mostly hanging out with the metal guys lately, because I've kinda been sick of everyone else, especially when they're on every week hyping the latest Steely Dan reissue.
But seriously, how fucking good is that reissue of Aja? You really can hear the banality of Fagen's electric piano as he complains about a girl who slighted him because he was an aloof asshole. Chicks, man.
Thanks so much for all the kind words in the chat, Patrik!
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It's not the first time i've heard someone trying to appoint themselves as a leader figure in the VC and i assume it won't be the last. Pure stupidity nonetheless, as i always thought when i joined that we were just music nerds discussing our hobby and showing our records to others over the world.
Some have said she was joking, being sarcastic, but normally there is a wink in what she says and there wasn't this time. What I actually think is she doesn't know of our Vinyl Community, she just knows influencers/yt personalities and sees it from that side. But, like I said to a lot of people, no person would want to be leader of THIS if they knew what THIS was :)
I think I have also come to realize the VC is frozen in time from whenever you joined. So if you joined five years ago - that group is the VC to you. And since people usually only stick around for a year, its your VC generations party that bails on each other - but it just keeps happening again and again and again. BUT, I wish we would have reunions. What happened, where did you go, what have you been up to, etc. We need to build that into the system. Good seeing you! This dinosaur hasn't gone anywhere, so stop in and say hi sometimes! :)
@@dixielandfarm I have been lurking but should say hi more for sure! I’m also fascinated every time I see a post similar to this referencing another post to see that post. I don’t know if it’s just me or if other people are weird like that too.
It's all very silly, isn't it? I uploaded "Shawn's Vinyl Record Collection Video 1" on May 18th, 2007. I don't remember anyone else doing the same when I started. I guess that makes me the FATHER of the VC! lol... That video and a bunch of my other vinyl related videos are now "unlisted" and I've since changed my channel name from SHAWN0612 to Beat Stylist, as I've been using my channel to promote my EDM tunes! IMO the "VC" ate itself quickly and the influx of newbs kinda spoiled the whole thing for me. In any event! I hope all of the VC OG's are doing well. Maybe one of these days I'll return to claim my "FATHER OF THE VC" title! LMAO. Cheers peeps!
So good seeing you, Shawn. The father of the VC - but more like the divorced dad that shows up on his assigned weekends and asks who your mother is dating. Do you still love us? Is it our fault you and mom separated? I know the answer - it is. We're sorry we were bad. :P
If you have 50k subscribers, you are a small RU-vid channel but you are enormous in the VC. Even a million subscribers isn’t much in the big scheme. It’s kinda hilarious what it has become, lol.
There should also be a good amount of shame - Yeah, 50k viewers, but of the worst people you can imagine. Lonely record collectors. Just slightly above Cosplayers, but below D&D enthusiasts.
I am familiar with the channel you are referring to. She makes great content. Although it doesn’t interest me that much I get why people like it.. I think most VC RU-vidrs are “influencers” intentionally or not to some degree. No matter how many subs they have. Then there are channels that clearly have an angle. Ya know, the hyper editing, click bait title types. I try to steer clear of that nonsense. I still enjoy watching lots of different VC channels that interest me and I’m always learning something new. but, when people start to capitalize on the popularity of vinyl and subs or profit become more important than content It get’s kind of ridiculous. Good to see ya Kris. ✌️
Well, of course I am jaded to some degree, having watching a gajillion videos over the years, but the one thing Carm said pretty much resonates with me - I'm watching for the person and how they present the stuff as it relates to them - and if I would like to hang out with that person - otherwise its just another record review video. She is fantastic and does a great job - but I guess my issue is there is no real VC as we knew it - it really is just a hashtag, and you can't be a leader of a hashtag. #sexyfarmers
People ruin everything. 😁It's funny, I've recently gotten into golf and I notice the same things happening in that space. Once it's noticed that the content can be a gateway to an influencer, the production goes way up, the hosts get hotter and the outfits tighter, but we lose something in that process. I'm guilty of telling people to hit the like button, because I know it helps to recommend the channel. I guess it happened a few weeks ago and I had way more views than normal. It bit me. The majority of the comments were negative and just plain shitty. I think I'm happy where I'm at. Let's be honest, the only reason I'm still here is because there is no more public access stations. 😂 We should start a VC Civil War. If we just knew someone with horses...
I regret making this video because people actually watched it - normally I make things and they just come and go and nobody pays any attention. I think I might prefer that :) I keep wearing shorter and shorter skirts in these videos, and nobody has said one word yet.
A lot of people figured it out pretty quick - and I tried to go back to get a time stamp, but sometimes she has videos pulled for either personal reasons or copywrite reasons, so I couldn't find the exact video for people - so there is nothing to compare what I got from the statement and for people to see if I was off-base or was it tongue-in-cheek, or actually bigger than I made it. So, unfortunately no more receipts :( Thanks so much for watching!
Kris love this video I remember Jeff The Recordman , Dan from Canada , Rob Eolovox which I still talk to and record dig with. You Kris is still my dude Dereck and Brandon Mrhoffame and Rob from Boston I remember the beginnings man it was so fun it’s crazy how the prices became these days . Everyone is a record collector now 😊.
Jeff - Oh how I LOVED Jeff. Rob was probably the guy who inspired me to start making videos (from his first video, where he was so exuberant). The 90s and 00s were were it was at. It was cheaper for me to get a new record than a CD at one point - I think my Sparks Hello Young Lovers was $13 shipped opposed to the CD which was $18 shipped! At this point, its too much money and the stuff I want is too obscure to even find, so I just digitally hunt - but I'm sure it will and ebb and flow again.
@@dixielandfarm i sometimes have luck with prices but not like before so i settle with the reissues some sound better than originals the VC is definitely different now .
-- let's face it, most vinyl collectors today are still the old, grey haired/ bald overweight, past their prime with the ladies and then BOOM, along comes an attractive female vinyl "collector" with a sweet smile it's no wonder she has 50,000 subs! She can talk all day about Donny Osmond and it won't matter -- It's the new soft core porn 😁
Well, I do have a fetish for balding overweight men who hate themselves and listen to records alone, brooding goth washups, and angry divorced dads talking about Psych records, so I have been right at home in the VC.
Anyone being self appointed anything is questionable.. Whenever a person called themselves something question it.. You have highlighted her channel to me so I’ll give her a go. Thanks buddy
Her channel is fantastic. But, yup, your thoughts were mine. Plus, its a bad job - there are people like me here. My advice to her is shoot higher, be a leader of YT in general - I think she has what it takes to get it.
Who's your leader Chris? LOL. I keep in touch with some of the VC community. People come and go. I sometimes wish for the old days of the VC. It has change through the years. I haven't made a video in years. I'd rather just watch and comment for now.
Daryl, my leader has always been Trish. She has NEVER lost faith or spirit. That's always been my example. The one thing I have mentioned in the past is I hate when people go and just disappear - I wish they would join some kind of FB group so we can at least see what they are up to... I wonder what that kid Kasey is up to (no longer a kid, I'm sure). Same with ChinaSC, what did she end up doing?
@@dixielandfarm And finally, I just watched your appearance on Mr. Mayo's livestream (archived). Sorry for misspelling your name, Kris! I am priced out of vinyl too -- I just can't justify the prices. I bought most vinyl in the 90s when famous albums were $5-10. Now I'm buying Total Stock Market ETFs and saving for retirement.
@@recordrabbit No worries on the name - people have misspelled, misgendered, and mispronounced my name my entire life. I’ve been putting all my money into beanie babies - it will be any day they come back in style like vinyl, and that’s when the big bucks start rolling in.
Huh? A new leader? But I didn't cast my vote 😢 where's the democracy gone 😅 50,000 zombies👻grrrrrrrrr....... The Tubes? Or as Americans say 'tooooobs' chewbs as in Tuesday (today) over here. We have the 'tube' under London. I think you summed it up brilliantly in under ten minutes Kris. I watch less now due to circumstances but we did meet up at a record fair here about a dozen of us in UK but it's easier for us here as smaller community And less travel. What was great was three people that came don't even make videos but they fitted in very nicely. Even if they didn't 'fit' they'd be welcomed. The VC has/hasn't sold out. The debate continues. Once debate stops and opinions (especially about DSOTM) then we cease to be different. I think I see you are very philosophical person underneath which I like, I think I am too. We can't be in real-life because we'd not get anything done. Therefore we remain on the edges of society. Right I'll stop now before I sound like I know what I'm talking about 😊
King? I didn't vote for you. Philosophical, perhaps - able to see nothing is as it appears and there is never black and white - that's just a Gen X trademark - loving dorky things and still making fun of dorky things. Angry at the system and never wanting to change it because we know the workarounds enough to survive - just dissolutioned enough to know there is no stopping anything, but just optimistic enough to almost care about something. The only thing I am one of the leaders of is our farm - and even that I have to bend to the clients and customers to some degree. So, in summation - I'm a loser, baby.
Going to be honest sir, this is incredibly patronizing of you. I respect your opinion and like some of your videos but most of it is filler vlog stuff. Some of your most helpful videos are 11 years old and even then feel a bit dated. It doesn’t matter who started what and where they were when that came out. Who cares man. You didn’t evolve with the tech, get over it. There’s a lot of self proclaimed artists out there and it seems like you just picked on a 24 year old because you couldn’t do what she did and you were in the right mood to be bothered by her otherwise meaningless words. Dude don’t get me wrong I like your videos! Sometimes I’ll watch your vlogs but your style is mostly out of touch. You’re the adorable one who holds on to this virtue of being old and entitled. Don’t take it too personal.
She's great, she makes great content, and she deserves all the respect and subscribers and attention she has (and more). But, I'm here and make videos for different reasons. I worked professionally in television for many years, as camera and editor, along with production coordination. I have a BFA in film, and was trained to be a cinematographer. I left that for the farm - so I have the ability and knowledge to make those kind of videos, but not the desire - these are rattled off for me for fun as a diversion, a hobby, and a way to connect with some people - not everyone. What I miss is less of people trying to be influencers, getting people on to their patreon, or leaving a tip on a cash app - this isn't very prevalent in the vinyl community, as its small potatoes, but you see it everywhere else. I still don't understand people donating hundreds of dollars to watch a dude play a video game, but that proves I'm out of touch. But, I AM allowed to be out of touch and express that. I think.
Yeah, those super slick channels with the fancy intro music and graphics are kind of annoying. Nothing wrong with them, but I feel they are doing it more for the notoriety and not necessarily the love of LPs. Teddy was really fun to watch, along with Robert Z, Blake with the "Blake" sleeves, And remember Ottavio up in Canada? Also Elovox was the guy (I think) who invented VCLT? BIzarro does some cool live streams now which I watch. Of course I always watch your vids Kris. Eddie.
Its creatively uncreative is my biggest beef. Thumbnails are a real weird thing - how much creativity CAN you have, but can it be creative if it is the same dumb face and font? BUT, they DO work - so what can you do? Ottavio was really my favorite - he could rant with the best of them, and I learned stuff, and loved his crotchetiness. Rob/Eolovox was probably my actual inspiration to start making videos, because his intro video was adorable in its earnestness. Oh, my videos are going in some weird directions lately, so I am glad you are holding on. I started thinking, why would I show stuff from the 90s, everyone knows this stuff, but now that stuff is THIRTY YEARS OLD - of course loads of people don't know it. So things I think everyone has, in reality, are probably obscure.
I don't care that they don't make videos anymore, I care that we can't keep in touch anymore - really should be a FB group of ex members to hang out it. I have an unofficial one, but it is small and obviously lame since I'm in it.
You referring to her as a " girl " is a bit unnecessary & this " girl " has 34K subscribers .. two thirds of the way to 50K & she was joking regarding the leader remark & is pointedly not a member of the vc. Check her comments & replies & none are from people here. You do make some great points but your inspiration is flawed. But you know , that's just like my opinion man. Thanks !
If she was joking, I didn't get or see the wink, but you may be absolutely right. I wanted to go back and watch, as I certainly could have just taken it wrong on the day, but I couldn't find the reference or find the video - she has like 54 hidden videos at th moment, so it is possible it is one of those. Me being an old man, almost anyone under 30 to me is a kid at this point, but your point is well taken - my poor generational mores is no excuse and I apologize and recognize how that probably comes off. And despite what this asshole (me) says on the internet, your opinion matters (as mine does, I guess?)!
@dixielandfarm Thanks for responding & yes your opinion definitely matters & you made so many great points that were tarnished for me by your initial statement. Appreciate you not just blowing me off. Take care 👍
