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Ranking Final Fantasy Games by Combat/Battle Systems (MMOs and Tactics Included) 

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To celebrate the release of Final Fantasy XVI, I decided to release 16 videos ranking different aspects of the Final Fantasy series. In this video, we're going to rank the combat systems of the main series games, plus Tactics.
Final Fantasy Ranking Playlist: • Final Fantasy Ranking ...
Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
1:02 - 16. Final Fantasy XII
2:46 - 15. Final Fantasy XIV
5:14 - 14. Final Fantasy II
6:19 - 13. Final Fantasy I
6:59 - 12. Final Fantasy XI
8:11 - 11. Final Fantasy XV
9:59 - 10. Final Fantasy VI
11:07 - 9. Final Fantasy VIII
12:19 - 8. Final Fantasy XIII
13:43 - 7. Final Fantasy III
14:24 - 6. Final Fantasy V
15:00 - 5. Final Fantasy IX
16:06 - 4. Final Fantasy Tactics
17:25 - 3. Final Fantasy VII
18:34 - 2. Final Fantasy IV
19:43 - 1. Final Fantasy X
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@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan Год назад
If you enjoyed this video, be sure to check out the other rankings in the series! ru-vid.com/group/PLXjn34wFCMP-6Kl56Fn2Ig3msOHqZAVhv
@pyguy7
@pyguy7 2 месяца назад
Most people do tend to agree that Final Fantasy X has the best battle system of the turn based battle style. CTB window and ability to switch party members on the fly is sheer genius (you hear that Persona? )
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 2 месяца назад
It's a fire combat system. Absolutely brilliant.
@poleon2003
@poleon2003 Месяц назад
Yeah I agree although I actually had someone say that they believe ATB is what MAKES FF and they also believe that there hasn't been a proper FF game since 9 and they once said that FFX abandoning ATB made it questionable as a FF game at best which I find kinda obsurd and they also feel that the changing gameplays of every FF game after 9 makes the series feel unfocused and makes it feel like the series is suffering some sort of identity crisis as they believe that consistency is REALLY important for any video game series as they said that the ATB system's of 4-9 help the series feel consistent 12 years and they said that there's nothing that makes the series feel consistent in gameplay of 15, 7 remake and 16 when I MUCH rather have ALL the time in the world to select an action as my prefered RPG battles I know you can set it for wait but still
@pyguy7
@pyguy7 Месяц назад
@@poleon2003 I mean the original Final Fantasy was pure turn based. If anything ATB was itself the new implemented mechanic flavor of the year at the time. As far as turn based style goes, FFX just went back to it and mastered it.
@poleon2003
@poleon2003 Месяц назад
@@pyguy7 yeah and they also said that FFX's battle system feels super lazy on how you can switch out any party member and you can immediately use them when they feel there should be a caviot like you missed out on a turn because you did and for the original FF being pure turn based well they feel that the NES era FFs are when the series was still trying to find it's footing and said there's a reason why 4 is considered the first "good" FF game
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 10 дней назад
@@poleon2003 Well, there are a lot of folks with opinions on the internet. Some of them aren't very good. Meanwhile, all of my opinions are great. :D
@TomLazan
@TomLazan 5 месяцев назад
damn the XII hate keeps coming! I would consider gambit making to be part of the battle system. There's a lot of crossover with battle & level system rankings so im interested to see how those rankings will change.
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 5 месяцев назад
I mean, I don't want to give spoilers for the level system ranking, but I will say that XII does score admirably in some categories. It's not a total wash for that game, hahaha.
@thomasffrench3639
@thomasffrench3639 9 месяцев назад
Honestly adding in auto targeting for Final Fantasy 1 completely destroys the balance of the original game. I found that it made the turn based combat much more engaging, because you don’t just press “A” repeatedly for each fight and run is actually important. FFI is about resource management because there’s no much story to the game, and it is kinda pointless without it. This is why it is better than the other NES FF games.
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 9 месяцев назад
Combat systems are a hill I won't die on with the series, so I see your point, but I definitely think it makes the game less enjoyable. It's harder and there's more strategy involved, but that it doesn't make it a better experience for me, personally, and for most gamers. However, I do see your point as being valid and can see why one would prefer it.
@thomasffrench3639
@thomasffrench3639 9 месяцев назад
@@gregtroyan yeah I actually don’t mind auto targeting in the other games. It’s just for specifically FFI, it takes the only real aspect I was into, which was the strategy, and you have left with a pretty barebones game. I actually like the ATB system, as that adds speed into the mix. I haven’t played FFX yet, but I plan on getting to it. I’m also weird in that I found FFIV, considered one of the easier games in the franchise to be more challenging than the original, but that is probably because taking my time with strategy made me do well in the Original game.
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 9 месяцев назад
@@thomasffrench3639 I definitely like the gameplay of IV a lot more, and it depends on what version of the game you play which is harder in the end. I think X will feel a bit easy for you, if I'm being honest.
@joselombana8381
@joselombana8381 2 месяца назад
Im not an ff13 but the battle system is fun. Knowing which paradigm to use on which enemy and getting a five-star rating is always very satisfying. I started back in the ol nes days with the OG ff1 but ATB will always be my favorite, CTB my second favorite. When playing tactical games like final fantasy tactics and wasteland2 I prefer who ever has the highest speed goes first. Wasteland 3 turn me off because it was like I go then the enemy goes kind of like warsong tho I prefer to play warsong over wasteland 3 any day of the week.
@gabetafoya3936
@gabetafoya3936 10 месяцев назад
Interesting ranking with some good insight. I’ve never played the MMOs so I can’t speak for them, but my ranking from best to worst would be: Tactics, XIII, X, IX, VI, IV, V, III, I, VIII, II, VII, XII, XV I would say that my taste in the FF series is pretty controversial compared to the general consensus.
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 10 месяцев назад
Combat mechanics isn't the hill I'll die on in the series, other than proclaiming XIII's combat to be underrated and XII's to be overrated. Picking Tactics as your number 1 is a fine choice.
@juanvalverde5245
@juanvalverde5245 Год назад
Good videos by the way! Sorry If I sound negative....
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan Год назад
No worries, I hope my response in regards to your commentary around XIV was reasonable. : )
@juanvalverde5245
@juanvalverde5245 Год назад
@@gregtroyan Great response, thanks
@tropicalkitsune5131
@tropicalkitsune5131 2 месяца назад
For XIV, you are definitely missing out only playing a level 50-60 version of any job, but not missing so much that you are likely to have a huge perspective shift.
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 2 месяца назад
Yeah. I play XIV once a week with a buddy of mine going through ARR. I haven't jumped into other expansions yet because I'm busy with writing a couple screenplays and I want to finish Another Eden before I fully dive into XIV, but after playing the crossover with XV in XIV recently, I think I might move the combat below XII. I fundamentally don't like the combat mechanics in XIV and sadly the more I play of the game, combat wise, the less I like it. Still, if the story is good enough, I can plow through.
@juanvalverde5245
@juanvalverde5245 Год назад
I would probably rate them as follows: X, XIII, VI, VII, VIII, IX, IV, V, XIV, XII, I, III, II, XV (i've never played XI)
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan Год назад
I respect this ranking a lot and don't find too much to disagree with here, or rather, I completely get this perspective. It's a very reasonable ranking.
@alexjones50
@alexjones50 3 месяца назад
you were very harsh on XIV which combat i quite enjoy, might be the favourite action based combat i've seen in an rpg actually. I do agree with your top pick though, X was the peak of combat for the FF series. for me the absoulte worst combat is XI, most fights consisted of me just standing there and waiting for the enemy to die. I heard some stuff about skill chains but seemed such a pain of pull off I just ignored it.
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 2 месяца назад
Revisiting XIV (been playing with a friend) makes me want to be even more harsh on it. I think I'm fundamentally not a fan of the combat mechanics in that game and the more I play it, the less I like it. I haven't replayed XII in a while, but it's a race to the bottom with those two combat wise.
@rpgranked
@rpgranked 7 месяцев назад
My ranking :) (with scores) Final Fantasy IX (5) Final Fantasy III (6) Final Fantasy (7) Final Fantasy V (7) Final Fantasy II (8) Final Fantasy IV (8) Final Fantasy IV: The After Years (8) Final Fantasy Dimensions (8) Final Fantasy XV Final Fantasy VI (8) Final Fantasy Dimensions II (9) Final Fantasy VIII (9) Final Fantasy VII (9) Final Fantasy X-2 (9.5) Final Fantasy X (9.5) Final Fantasy Tactics (10) Final Fantasy Tactics A-2: Grimiore of the Rift (10)
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 7 месяцев назад
Nice list and I like the score system. I opted not to do that myself, but I like that you did. I beat Dimensions recently and am playing Dimensions II right, and I actually like the combat quite a bit for both of those games. I'm surprised you haven't checked out Tactics Advance. You gotta finish the trilogy! :D Still, a very nice list with a very reasonable ranking. I'm glad you also dug TAY.
@rpgranked
@rpgranked 7 месяцев назад
@@gregtroyan hahaha I definitely gotta check it out haha, thanks for the nice words!
@panditas7679
@panditas7679 4 месяца назад
Hi, i havent play any FF game, which would you recommend? Im between 7, 9, 10 and 12
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 4 месяца назад
7 was my first and it made me a huge fan of the series. 9 and 10 are often considered the best entry points, along with 4. 12 is very different and not indicative of the series overall, but if it looks like something you vibe with go for it.
@panditas7679
@panditas7679 4 месяца назад
@@gregtroyan thanks, btw which has best gameplay? I love strategy
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 4 месяца назад
@@panditas7679 Try Final Fantasy Tactics or Final Fantasy V for strong gameplay.
@panditas7679
@panditas7679 4 месяца назад
@@gregtroyan in my console i just have from 7-15 so i cant play older games or tactics
@whysosrs5534
@whysosrs5534 3 месяца назад
VI is the best because the story actually makes sense lol.
@stanstockton544
@stanstockton544 2 месяца назад
I agree with this list almost completely lol
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 2 месяца назад
I'll take it!
@js-ro5jk
@js-ro5jk Месяц назад
I believe X and Rebirth are the goats of FF combat, they are so enjoyable. I will be disappointed if 17 doesn’t use Rebirth's combat. 9 and 12 have the worst combat IMO. For me those were just a blatant step backwards
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan Месяц назад
In retrospect, IX ranked a little high in this ranking. Quina's blue magic really did a lot of the heavy lifting for me ranking the combat so high. XII's combat was...a choice. Hahaha.
@dammyoyesanya4656
@dammyoyesanya4656 2 месяца назад
Bro you didn’t include FF7 Remake in your video. That game has the best combat system in the franchise. It’s also my favorite combat system in any video game too. It’s incredibly deep and addicting and hope it’s the future of the franchise
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 2 месяца назад
In my intro video for the series (I did 16 videos) I mentioned it would be the mainline games and OG Tactics only, not sequels or spinoffs. The video series ended up being longer than 10 hours just including all of those games.
@dc7981
@dc7981 Месяц назад
Tbh I liked Kingdom Hearts and X2 more lol
@Force-Multiplier
@Force-Multiplier Год назад
Glad people are loving X here in the comments thats my favorite not just FF but favorite game of all times but imo the best Final Fantasy combat system is (fight me purists) *REMAKE* (it will probably be Rebirth in a year) agreed on XII Gambits aren't engaging during combat for the most part wich is an anticlimactic things to put *in a game* I love XIV's combat system but i understand that rotations forcing us to go for the optimal way of playing each role (especially in endgame content) isn't good combat design (MMOs should get rid of DPS checks for reasons like this) XV has one of the worst combat systems i have ever seen in a popular AAA game i love the flashines of it but you can't die so no difficulty (the only combat system of popular AAAs i find worst than XV are the newer Zelda games they have each and every problem that FFXV has PLUS the glass weapons making them even worse and Tok added one extre layer of awfulness to it with constant menus pausing the real time combat of the game because it's necessary for most of the things you do in the game they're not bad games due to the exploration but the combat ... yikes) as for the other turn based FFs they're mostly flawed by Square Enix making them needlessly easy and turning what was supossed to be "strategic turn based combat" into a sequence of pressing X to hit the attack command and then 2 to 3 turns (or ATB actions later heal) little to no encounters require different agreed on the combat of XIII the combat was decent (i still don't love the game tho the cast ain't great but the combat was a step up) so yeah once again imo VII Remake is the best one by far especially in hard mode (wich you probably didn't include because it's a sequel of sorts idk i haven't finished the video yet) Remake does has its flaws tho like the health of bosses not going down past a point because a cutscene is required and super attacks we can't do a thing about except heal since they're a cutscene so we can't even block them (hopefully this gets fixed in Rebirth) I got to the end of the video despite X being my favorite imo the combat of VII is better the Materia system is just too good some people like the guy at 4-8 Productions have done amazing things with it that i can't even hope to attempt in X like imo VII had the best RPG combat system of all times just because of the things i have seen there the depth is out of this world
@joselombana8381
@joselombana8381 2 месяца назад
I have a friend that love ff10 so much that she named her daughter Yunalska. She changed the "c" to a "k" be she wants to be different 🤣
@BrettScr1
@BrettScr1 9 месяцев назад
Interesting your taste is almost the complete opposite of mine - I love FFXII’s system and really dislike X’s - but some of the things you loved about X were things I love about XII (being able to switch out characters, being able to control and play as espers / summons, etc.).
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 8 месяцев назад
Being able to switch out party members was a pretty useful part of XII, but I admit to not really enjoying the summon mechanics in it. I do like Gambits but the actual battles just don't do it for me. What's your overall combat ranking?
@dc7981
@dc7981 Месяц назад
Final Fantasy if it ever does go back to turn based should really take notes from Persona/Shin Megami Tensei cause I think they have way better battle systems than most FF games ever did. Digital Devil Saga in particular basically had a similar concept to the sphere grid but more customizable
@sariihover4798
@sariihover4798 Год назад
Agree , 10 has the best system now Honkai : star rail use similar battle system
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan Год назад
Interesting. I thought that game would be more action oriented like Genshin. Very cool to hear.
@sariihover4798
@sariihover4798 Год назад
@@gregtroyan furthermore, people who always been disliking turn based combat ended up praising the battle system in Honkai : star rail like Asmongold
@capedeh8225
@capedeh8225 3 месяца назад
wow, we are so not agree , for me the one and only combat system that i liked from the entire franchise is FF12, i dont really like the story, i only like the combat sooo much and i greatly hoping they make another one like dat for me FF12 combat is 12 out of 10 score , whole all the other FF is 3 to 4 out of 10 , except for FF13, i give that a minus 99 score
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 3 месяца назад
How far did you get in 13?
@capedeh8225
@capedeh8225 3 месяца назад
@@gregtroyani play all 13 games including the suppose to be related psp ff type 0, and i hate all of it , its too demanding, you have to keep switching paradigm , and keep setting the attack pattern, its not playing, dats practically working , so tiresome
@jacobybalmer1882
@jacobybalmer1882 Год назад
I understand a lot of people love FF9 (and I don't blame them even if it isn't my favorite), but I don't know who in there right mind would rank the combat from that game so high. Square straight up half assed it, compared to Vll and Vlll. Not saying it's a bad game by any means, but I don't think anyone is going to play the game and right home about how great the combat is. Its about the world, characters, and story, plain and simple.
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan Год назад
Honestly, it's Quina's blue magic that really gets me to rank IX's combat so high. I was still probably too enthusiastic, tho.
@billyboleson2830
@billyboleson2830 Месяц назад
I prefer characters having distinct roles over everyone basically playing the same
@rpgranked
@rpgranked 7 месяцев назад
Hahaha you really don't like final fantasy XII 😂😂 that's definitely like the most mixed game in the series
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 7 месяцев назад
I like Final Fantasy XII, just less than a lot of other games in the series. Hahahaha. I still think it's very good, though.
@rpgranked
@rpgranked 7 месяцев назад
@@gregtroyanall good lmao just made me laugh, I haven't even played it haha
@bogus0
@bogus0 2 месяца назад
this guy hates gameplay
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan 2 месяца назад
Honestly this is true.
@juanvalverde5245
@juanvalverde5245 Год назад
I do enjoy battles in FF. I enjoyed 12's gambit system a lot more than XV's. XIV is pretty interesting if you really play the game. So if you don't know you shouldn't even talk about it or rank it as you can't rank something you don't know about. I do think X is the best though.
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan Год назад
Since I had beaten all of the games, I felt it was fair to rank them based on my experience, and I did begin the video with the caveat that I'm not much of a combat guy, and I gave the disclaimer that I'm not overly familiar with the MMO genre or an expert in XIV's mechanics. I feel playing 40+ hours of ARR is fair enough for me to give an impression of the combat system in relation to the other games, especially if I acknowledge my limitations as a player (which I did). :P XII's gambits are excellent and would have DRASTICALLY improved XV.
@juanvalverde5245
@juanvalverde5245 Год назад
@@gregtroyan the thing is that the combat does change A LOT in higher levels. There's a lot more to it that what ARR gives you. Battle mechanics change as the expansions progressed. I played 500 hrs + and I'm nowhere near as advanced as other players that play the raids. Mechanics also change a lot depending on the class. As a Tank there's so many options as you become more advanced that basing it on ARR is like judging FFX's battle system based on the intro to Zanarkand without party members to exchange. I do understand that the basic mechanics might not be your thing, but it's way more interesting , complex and advanced than most titles in the franchise.
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan Год назад
@@juanvalverde5245 That's all fair. However, I'll say that the Zanarkand intro in FFX is under 20 minutes of gametime (and in terms of battles, less than 10 minutes). So, let's say ARR is 40 hours. That means XIV's 2400 minutes vs X's 20 minutes. That's 120 times longer to develop the battle mechanics if you want to make a 1 to 1 comparison of those sections. : P I'm primarily a story player, so I'll readily admit this is one of the least important categories for me. I'll definitely concede that XIV is way more complex mechanically than most games in the series when it comes to combat, but that's not really a selling point for me as a player.
@juanvalverde5245
@juanvalverde5245 Год назад
@@gregtroyan The reason I specifically mentioned that part is because during the intro, you get a good feel of the battle system, but you still are yet to learn the main mechanics that make X special, which is the character swap. ARR is like that, you learn just the basics. What you get in HW, SB, SB and EW is sooooo different, so much more complex that it makes ARR feels just like the very very basic stuff, which it is, just ask any XIV veteran and they'll always tell you the battle system really evolves into something else by level 70. There's soooooo much more to it. I would recommend you watch some videos on it so you see what I'm talking about. For the record I'm not trying to convince you of anything, you like what you like and that's that but I do want you to know how much more there is to it. ARR is really that basic.
@gregtroyan
@gregtroyan Год назад
@@juanvalverde5245 My plan is to return to XIV and beat the rest of the game, so I expect to learn the mechanics naturally through that. It's possible I may do a couple new ranking videos after beating the rest.
@Amber_xo_133
@Amber_xo_133 2 месяца назад
10,9 and 6 I’m not a fan of MMOS
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