The Complete Evolution of Battle Systems [The Early Years] 

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No part 2 yet? Coming up on 3 years. I just watched this and am surprised there is no part 2. I get those are the most difficult games to cover based on how complex they are. Hopefully you get to it. Enjoy the channel.

That “You Are Not Alone” piano arrangement in the intro 👌

Intressting. I didn't knew that in the OG of FF1 you had the "Drink" option 💪

That smooth quiet You're Not Alone piano during the opening. Gives me the shivers.

BLESS YOU for featuring Chrono Trigger!

“xenoblade gameplay has everyone shirtless” ah, I see you are people of culture as well

Really love the “Not Alone” rendition in this video. Such an underrated song.

I love that you have the names and photos of the people involved in developing the systems you're presenting

I never knew Squall was an obtainable character in FFT. I obviously knew Cloud was though I forget the criteria needed to get him. I like how party members on both sides celebrated whenever they leveled up during battle. It was pretty cute :) Thanks for the upload.

As much as I loved the 7R battle system (they really nailed it), it makes me sad we’ll likely never get a turn based ATB main line FF

I really enjoyed VI and IX for classic systems. I like having characters locked into roles, making each for unique.

I gotta say, your videos do an excellent job of informing us. So detailed, and it shows that you have a certain respect for the whole series. Love it. I've been playing this series all my life and love every one of them. I wish I could have been around for the original releases of 1-4. I've only played remasters. I've never heard of the "drink" menu command before

Videos like this are why i am subbed. Thank you.

Final Fantasy 3 has my favourite system. I'm not a big ATB fan I guess but the turn based with the row mechanic is just so fun to work with.

I wasn't expecting that...I am glad you're making this!

I'm very excited to hear you talk about XI.

The modern turn based gameplay of freakin dragon quest XI felt so good

I've been waiting for a battle system evolution thank you so much! Keep up the good work 👍

Great video - I hope you make a second part soon!

Love this vid! Love this channel! It's so annoying that I only discovered you guys a month ago. Anyway, I personally love that Final Fantasy has become a series which initially changed a only thing or two battle-wise between installments to a JRPG franchise which reinvents its combat every installment.

I have been watching many Final Fantasy Union videos in the last few days. As usual, everything is great. Im a big FF series fan. Keep it up !

I've been playing dq xi recently and the old school combat system feels actually refreshing

Love your videos. Can't wait for a video covering summons in the series

Love your videos! cant wait for the next one

Love the details! Really interesting look into all the games, I miss turn based

Love your videos. Keep it up!

Excellent job as always!

great stuff. i do gave to say that the Chrono Trigger music in the background was a nice touch. its crazy how amazing the music is in CT and CC

Bravely Default: classic Final Fantasy battle system but with a twist.

Loved this video!! Any idea when part 2 is coming?

IIRC Squall had 255 hit stat by default that's why he doesn't miss even if he was blinded. Maybe there was no enemy in FF8 that had a high enough Evasion stat that will make Squall miss when blinded.

this really bring back alot of memory , my first game was FF3

thanks for the video

With FFVIII I wonder if you could actually snake over to Super Mario RPG with it's entire Timed Hits/Timed Defense which, similar to Squall, a well timed button press would have the basic attack become enhanced or the character take far less damage from an enemy attack. The same with special attack boosting with special inputs so I wonder how much of SMRPG's DNA moved into that game.

Final Fantasy 9 was, and will forever be the greatest game in the Final Fantasy franchise. IMO it is tied with Chrono Trigger as the best JRPG ever made.

Loved all the bits about 4&8

Can't help you hit 200k already subbed :p

I love how he praises the channel supporters midway because he "only talks about FF games", but then immediately in the next section he talks about Chrono trigger. Informative content as always, keep up the good work.

Love your work

slight correction: you could swap weapons mid battle since II not IV

Why does everyone forget that if you press select during a battle in FF4, you can see a sort of version of the ATB in the form of a percentage count?

Fiinally.. this series of ff evolution is brilliant thank you for making it. If you're like me grew up from ff1 to ff7r you watch sqenix evolve through ff games. It's the only thing that truly links them together. It warms my nostalgic ff loving heart to see someone focused on this aspect of these games as whole. Maybe after this set of videos cause there's a lot to cover in regards to the ff rpg evolution. But maybe someone will finally tackle the ff6-ff7 connection. Cause hunny let me tell you the more I see ff7r theory the more similarities to ff6 I see. The problem is the connection is in the stories evolution since your on that topic maybe you'll go there.

Thank You !

I would really love to see how the ffXIV and XV battle systems works really cause I´ve never been able to play it. Yours is one of the best dedicated channels in the whole platform I hope you get not only 200k but 1M subs you deserve it

There have been 2-3 update videos since this was uploaded. Did they ever address whether or not they're gonna continue this with a part 2?

Haven't played all of the early titles yet, but FFVI's combat pretty much nails it for the SNES era, with characters feeling very distinct and fun to play (I loved using Edgar and Cyan in particular). I enjoyed most battles in FFIX, it's just a shame that the overall game speed was so slow, and trance could have been handled better as a game mechanic (although it was always hype to see the transformations occur in battle).

Final Fantasy Mystic Quest was called Mystic Quest Legend in Europe since there was already a game called Mystic Quest, the one you North Americans know as Final Fantasy Adventure. It's debatable whenever if Mystic Quest Legend was the first Final Fantasy-game or not to be released in Europe before Final Fantasy VII. For me, Mystic Quest Legend doesn't really count as a Final Fantasy-game because it misses some elements in the Final Fantasy-series that makes it Final Fantasy. Also, my favorite combat-system in the Final Fantasy-universe has to be in Final Fantasy XII and especially the Zodiac Age.

ATB is so much fun I was a sucker for the Paradigm system in Final Fantasy 13 it was so gooooood you had to think on your feet fast and you really felt the pressure and adrenaline

how do i use DMs in FFVI? i thougth they were random! edit: i just checked, they are indeed random - 1 in 16 chance during critical status, cant be used duirng the first 26.5 seconds of a battle or if you are inflicted with confuse,zombie and another 2 status i forgot

28:00 about the ATB bar filling during animations... didn’t VII do that too? Then they took it away for VIII.

Nice Frog's Theme cameo!

The only reason I suscribe to this channel is that I want to see the second part os this mini series.

Thank you, this is helpful for looking for new games in the series so that I can understand and compare the games side by side!!

The next one will start with FF X? Yay!! My fave FF. As for favorite battle system. Tactics takes first (but the mobile knock offs suck (ie: Alchemist Code, War of the Visions)) followed by X, IX and XII.

dang still no part two XD wonder when that'll come out

interesting can't wait for part 2! also just subbed

3:36 I believe that in FF1 battle turn order is randomized, not according to the agility stat.

So, umm… where’s the second part? I just finished watching and searched for the follow up, but there doesn’t seem to be one. Will there be a retrospective on the rest of the series?

Weird question, but do you have other youtube channels? Your voice sounds super familiar, sounds like one of the Zelda theory channels I follow.

Have y’all done an origin video on Kuja yet?

FFXII was the same kinda ATB as any prior, imo. It just let you move your characters around in the battle

FFIX was definitely the best of the ATB system games, as well as one of the best FF games ever.

You could actually change weapons mid-battle in Final Fantasy 3 NES as well. You can see many videos of Ninjas "reloading" Shurikens in their hands, for example. I don't remember if 2 and 1 let you do it as well, but definitely 3.

@27:57 Im pretty sure FF6 was the first FF game to have the ATB bar continue charging even when there was a summon. It just stops in menu if you have a wait command

For one of your origin stories or Evolution, can you please do the Chocobo.

I personally found FF9's system very slow due to a lot of casting times and loading. But I agree it was a very well designed system otherwise and fun to play. Although not covered here the systems in X and X-2 are my favourites. X wasn't 'active time's but it was cool you could still play with time with magic, delay attacks and quick hit/ quick pockets. X-2 I think is the ultimate incarnation of ATB, with its pacy battles, cast times, chains and interuptions.

FFIX's battle system always felt like the best imo. It's also my favorite Final Fantasy, though.

Where is the continuation of this series?

I absolutely adored IX's battle system, it just played so smoothly. Can't wait for part 2!!

Was the follow up video ever made?

Rewatching this and i'm happy that now i noticed he said they are gonna make a combat focused analysis small series. I love the idea :) i hope we see more soon!

When is part 2?

Where is part 2 😭😭😭

Where can we see the next episode in this series?

Part 2 when

What is the picture of squall in FF tactics from?

Smallest of errors (sorry, i know i'm late 😅) but 9:24 is a picture of the 2019 Formula 2 Event in Monza not Formula 1

Just watching this vid now your 20k subs more than your current

As one of the American children at that time, I LOVED Mystic Quest

Another thing that FF9 did first, battle-wise, was that "Trance" also included a physical transformation. When your "Trance" activates, you get a different look; similar to Terra's Esper form (but that was more of a plot device).

I feel I must admit that listening to this video I'm constantly distracted by the use of Chrono Trigger music behind the voice over.

FFVI is my favorite

What kinds of new jobs would you guys would like to see in final fantasy? I would like an. Druid,Necromancy, or Artificer joba and how they would be like in Final Fantasy.

Hopefully the next retrospective includes Chrono Cross, as FFXIII seems to take some inspirations from there.

this video gives me a bit more insight to why ppl love FFIX so much. thats a hella interesting batle system After i finished with FF7R i pick up FFX (and type 0 HD) cuz ppl raved about the Battle system in that game so much and i adore it so far but FFIX looks like its worth picking up for that battle system to (i know the story is beloved as well)

Reading through the comments, it's easy to see why Square have done so many different iterations of combat over the years. Everybody likes different things, and feel very passionate about what they find to be "the best". There really isn't a "right" or "wrong" answer to that question though. Trying out different things brings more people to the greatness of the rpg genre as a whole. And you never know, you might find that you like new combat systems, even if you thought you wouldn't, or you "hate" it. For me, the best a turn based game gets was the trails games, cold steel, trails in the sky, and zero. But I loved the classics, and we wouldn't have new systems without the work that classics did. I used to think that action rpgs weren't really rpgs, but I ended up trying out dark souls 2 that was given to me. I ended up loving it, and have moved on to try out everything I could in the genre. Point is, we all love games. There's enough games out there for everyone, and there's something in the rpg genre for everyone. If you want to stick to what you've always played, because that's what you know you like, that's fine. But trying out different styles of rpg could change your mind, and give you more to get immersed in. But please stop the hate because someone likes a different style of rpg than you, a different combat system than you do, different story than you do; we can all fit under the rpg banner friends. And hey, at least it's not FPS games, because those are just the worst. Am I right? Lol thanks Daryl for the great content

What was that FF Tactics Mod that has Squall, Lightning, Tidus, et al in it??

I gotta go with VI all the way. There are many different ways to play the game, like focusing on stat building is optional but not necessary to beat the game. An in regards to the ATB/ battle, one of the most fun and strange teams is Umaro, Mog, Gau and Sir Thou.

Nice video, but the amount of ads was painful and broke the flow of the explanation.

Wait a hot second, what's that shot of Squall in FFT??

Another great video. Never knew that ff9´s summons power depended on the animation time.

The FF9 ATB continuing during actions was a terrible idea which seriously hurt that game's battle system. You end up putting in a command and it not triggering until 4-7 other characters/enemies take their actions. 90% of the time you'll have 3 or 4 characters with an action input just waiting to use their command. I love that game, but that aspect of the battle system is one of its worst qualities.

what game is that at 0:14 ?

Squall doesn't miss because his Accuracy was 255 always, R1 just made it a guaranteed critical hit. Same for Renzokuken!

Holy crap! I know I was subscribed, but after the announcement realized that I no longer was... hopefully RU-vid isn’t messing with the algorithm again.

Where is the second part ;-;

Gameplay is the reason I play RPGs. A great story is more than welcome, but for me the gameplay is where the real merit of an RPG is.

Not gonna lie, X-2 had the best combat of the series.

What is that version of FFIV? A translation of easy type?