@@ericjohnson9136dude fr. Could've had Pan still be a character and do whacky stuff with the two people that made up Gotenks. Honestly it would've been funny if Goku was the serious one most of the time.
@KaseyC. As someone who likes GT thats still a horrible take. We just gonna ignore the story of Gt? Literally has the best possible ending for dragonball
I understand Super 17 SUCKS ASS but I will defend the hair thing. Bro was one of the main reasons I grew out my dreads. And as a guy with long hair, pushing back your hair feels cool and its pretty fun
Getting rid of Goku Black by having him fuse with Zamasu was a huge L for Super. He was clearly the more interesting/compelling one of the two, idc Zamasu shoulda got locked up in the Evil Containment Wave
One thing that made me mad about Kefla, she's a fusion of two sayians. One of the sayians is universe 6's broly. How in darnation did she get outted by one person. Kale made a bigger impact by herself.
Yeah he has cool fights, but if Sage is going to drop Z Broly for just having cool fights and not having much of a character, I don't see why he isn't doing the same for Jiren
I would say that his personality isn't as stagnant as most of the other antagonist. Even Hit has more personality. But in terms of antagonist he is a better antagonist for Goku than Cell or Buu is.
@@KaseyC. He does have a character or more like better motives and depth than Broly so I can see why. Broly's character got retconned in his 2nd appearance.so even then he has no consistency. His 3rd appearance is even worse and became even more bland than what People think jiren is 😂. In other words jiren is more interesting than Z broly.
Only thing cell was missing for me was more moments of self conflict, which i would've liked to see from him early on. Feels like actively living off the cells of the greatest heroes and villains the universe had seen so far would have made him struggle at times. maybe a moment when hes perfected where his head finally clears along with the power up
You made it sound like 18 was relevant for longer than Piccolo, but Android 18 is really only relevant for the first few episodes after the Androids are introduced. Then she just becomes a plot device for Cell. Then she’s a little more fleshed out in the Buu arc but it’s not like she’s all that relevant. Meanwhile Piccolo is relevant and plays a big role in each arc up until Buu.
Yeah I have no clue what he was talking about Piccolo was a main villain in og db and was pretty much the second mc in the saiyan saga. He's still mangaged to be relevant after all these years meanwhile the only thing 18 has done is break Vegetas arm.
Baby carried that entire show, Super 17 could’ve worked but it falls flat bc we don’t hear or see him at all during the entire show up until that point also it’s just Janemba redux so no, the Shadow Dragons would’ve been nice if 63% of them weren’t fodder and if the dub didn’t completely fuck up Omega’s entire reasoning for fighting them.
Goten, 1. Youngest Super Saiyan in existence 2. Fight against trunks 3. Takes lead in Bio Broly movie 4. When family is eaten by Buu he gets focused & starts training on his own and trunks sees him and tries to get in gear 5. Cold fight against baby in GT
I think manga Jiren’s backstory is more interesting than the anime one’s, it’s just funny to me that his master forced him to join that team in the manga 😂
You know what I would think his favorite character in one piece was if he actually watched it? Either whitebeard or jimbei. I feel like those 2 would be his favorite for the simple fact he runs the whole WWE story/theme so I think, other then roger, these 2 probably have the best story in terms of character history, importance, how strong they are and most importantly, how they are with other people of the show. And these 2 got the most honor, love and bravery for the peopel they tough with, of probably anyone in the show outside guys like zoro and kuma. They some of the realest ones in the entire show
@@TSO_Sage you right. We're probably the worst fandom out of the big 3 In terms of getting people involved the show or just interacting with new people trying to watch the show
Lol OMG yes! I've been trying to think of why Cell didn't hit and that's speaking from my liking him before. I think I just like the stuff that HAPPENED to him and what he was apart of. But his journey was better than his destination of I'm gonna blow up myself instead of dying or killing someone. THEN gets the BS power up.
9:04 no he’s relevant in two arks and Super first the Mavuba technique that he tried to pull on the massive second being the final motivation to trigger ultra instinct for Goku still teaching up until this day.
all jiren is, is a strong roadblock for Goku who has little to no personality. He’s garbage but happens to have visually appealing fights. Gogeta’s 1 fight is better than Jiren’s entire existence. AND he has aspects of Goku and Vegeta in his character.
I used his “name 5 things interesting about goten” logic for all the choices he made after and there was no justification for 90% of them nigga picked bubbles the monkey over nail…..
Ask if hit can kill Kid buu is crazy …. All hit has to do is shoot a ki blast that’s stronger then him and ggs & kid buu being a better character ? I’d say kid buu is more iconic but no better
@@SpookyMan-ih3fg the only reason why buu never died is because no one performed a blast strong enough to kill him they only did so to hurt him. Hit is too strong for Buu , Buu’s regen is impressive but he would get disintegrated
@@SpookyMan-ih3fg vegeta was weaker then fat buu , that legitimately proves my point. But Vegito , gohan , gotenks never performed a blast big enough to engulf all the particles of buu , similar to cell. They were just stalling out the battles same for ssj3 Goku against fat buu
King Piccolo didmt wish for Immortality cause he already thought he was invincible and didnt need it, bro called himself omnipotent. He also thought Goku was dead and checked to see if he was. King Piccolo wasn't stupid he was just up his own ass Also Ssj4 Gogeta had a plan idk why ppl cant see he was trolling on purpose, they litteraly explain it😭
3:55 hit could just pull a Dio trolling polnareff moment on the stairs and bring him where he’s supposed to worst case Oh but the do it enough times kid buu could too :/
Says DBZ Broly is just a brute. Meanwhile, Z Broly talks and taunts his opponents throughout the entire fight while Super Broly just kind of grunts and screams, like a brute. People really need to rewatch the first Broly movie before spouting obvious BS like that.
@@Shazam1998 this just makes z Broly an evil characterless brute with no other personality outside of “evil and strong” lmao. DBS Broly has a personality, a way better backstory, powers make more sense. (No, being a mutant is not enough explanation.) In the first of two movies he gets, he’s just a strong evil guy, nothing unique to him other than being cool. In the second, he’s just a mindless brute. Half of his entire existence is spent being a brute, lol. And unlike Super Broly, not an interesting one. Z Broly is just like every other movie villain, they’ve got nothing to their character outside of trying to harness cool factor.
@@HabitualThinker Being a mutant is absolutely an explanation. It's been established way back in the Namek Saga that mutations can greatly increase a person's strength compared to others of their species. As Ginyu mentions regarding himself and the Ginyu Force. Also again, during his actual fight DBS Broly doesn't have a single line of dialogue,he just grunts and screams. The exact thing people accuse DBZ Broly off. When again,he actually talks,and the stuff he talks is actually cool. A villain doesn't need to be complex to be good. Z Broly is a brutal and arrogant piece of shit,and that's all that's all he needs to be.
Based off of how well they are written and how impactful their character arcs were to me, how much I enjoy the characters and of course a little bias: 1. Piccolo/Kami/King Piccolo 2. Vegeta 3. Goku 4. Gohan 5. Tien Shinhan 6. Master Roshi 7. Bulma 8. Trunks 9. Cell 10. Freeza HM: Yamcha, Krillin, King Kai.. all 3 are some of my favorites but not as impactful as the others.
Dbs Bardock over Uub is crazy. Dbs Bardock being more minus coded than z really ruins the “cool” factor of him that honestly loses all character interest imo. I’ll take the bear bones character of Uub over that bastardized Bardock. Z is an easy clear but minus/super axes his character beyond repair.
Im sorry but the fact u said z broly is just a brute is straight lies If u meant counting all 3 z movies? Yes absolutely u right, my fault But just the first movie bro is a sadistic fucking badass, kicking goku’s ass then pulling out the “how much do you love your son” and destroying the planet of a bunch of slaves right in front of them But yes absolutely the two sequels absolutely fucking ruins him
GARLIC JR SAGA THAT CAME ON SATURDAYS WAS SOOOOOOOO ASS!!!! man goku just got done beating frieza, we aint wanna see that shit lmfaooo(im agreeing, my b,forgot about that saga because i repressed it) Pikkon is definitely stunting on him
Frieza over Gohan is asanine ten 11-19. Gohan got sidelined in ass Super for the cash grab but he’s not below Frieza. As far as compelling & interesting characters go, Gohan is vastly better. Being an antagonistic racist with a revenge streak and endless respawns is NOT enough to be a better character. IMO.
Top 3 gotta be Black, Frieza and Baby. Dunno why the maker of this h0ed Black by pairing him with Zamasu, and then also not listing Fused Zamasu. All 3 have the same motives, but different personalities, back stories, and moments, they're definitely 3 separate characters
goku glazer since day one. There isn't a single argument that exists on this earth, were goku has better character dev than vegeta. Also it ius a fictional story why is "gokus more realistic character dev" even a case.
Future Gohan over beerus not even close. Please tell me what you like about him cause i don't get it. One is a character abs the other is a plot device
@@KaseyC. uh yeah, where in the history of bardock or the bardock special is he more cool than ssj4 gogeta?!? but I like Bardock's personality a lot. had a heart when his peers didnt
@@D-money813 that's exactly what I'm saying, Gogeta has the coolness aspect and that's it. Bardock is a better character. Not to mention GT Gogeta specifically is moreso an adult Gotenks than what made Gogeta cool in the first place
@@KaseyC. See, that's what I'm saying. Don't downplay coolness at all. Do not ever forget what attracted you to the show in the first place. Something told you it was going to be the coolest animated media you'll ever see.. And as far as adult gotenks, that's funny af, i sincerely mean that. i really laughed out loud but he was really more like Vegito to me.
@@D-money813 dude I don't even know if the me that got into the show because it was cool was even out of diapers yet lmao, that's a terrible way to judge a show. Also seeing GT Gogeta as Vegito? You need to go rewatch some Dragon Ball lmao
This is a total opinion piece so I won't be on your head for perceived errors, haha. But hey, no ad hominem though. I will never attack YOU. I was just hoping for a debate from you, that's all. I am Vegeta's #1 fan boy lol clicking like before hitting play
I'm sorry but S Broly is not a better character than Z Broly. Just because S Broly has a "better backstory" doesn't mean he's overall a better character. Is there potential for the writers to make S Broly a more compelling character of course
Z broly literally has no personality except I’m a angry ape,his motivation is stupid ,the only thing he does better than super broly is his aggressiveness
Z Broly arguably has the cooler fights (arguably, I'm taking S Broly personally), but S Broly also has an actual personality other than just ooga booga, a backstory that isn't just the fact that a baby cried near him, and he doesn't have a Bio Broly phase just as the icing on the cake. The only argument Z Broly has is that he has more black air force energy lmao
No way jiren is better than gogeta he’s has the greatest fight in anime history easily the coolest character in dragon ball jiren doesn’t come close to him