10:24 - Just so people know, if you cast Mana Drain on a spell that can't be countered, Mana Drain still resolves and you will still get the mana on your next main phase. The mana is not contingent on successfully countering the spell. i.e. a spell that can't be countered is not an illegal target for a counterspell, so it doesn't fizzle.
Not that it makes Finale worse, I've seen too many people dump a million mana into it, swing out thinking it gives trample just to realize people can chump their creatures
@@joshholmes1372 Yeah because a trampler to take out one player is exactly what you want to be tutoring for. My vanilla trampler sure is good in this limited format.
I know a lot of people dont think legolas's quick reflexes is good enough in najeela, because you have access to counterspells, but after playtesting it a ton its an auto include in that deck for me. The uninteractable protection is so good, alongside taking extra combat steps to remove multiple things. I've also looped it with underworld breach and dorks with 1 power to kill stax creatures to go off. It has never felt dead to me but to each their own!
For Bloom Tender it is ESSENTIAL in Sisay which is definitely one of the TOP decks currently in the format. I think that alone should push it over the Mana Dorks at minimum.
@@Revival_JamZ Najeela doesn't want it since you activate only if you have infinites and you can do that already with Druid's Repository, Grim Hireling and Derevi
Green is still top tier if your deck can utilize all those creature tutors straight into battlefield to win. It’s what makes thrasio decks so good. People are sleeping on green
I swear Sylvan Library is underrated... I know it's rough when it feels like you're constantly seeing the same cards with the ability, but that's why you use deck shufflers strategically like fetch lands and such.
It totally is. In a faster deck that has no ways to abuse the one ring I would play library over the ring I think.. well, I did actually in my Malcolm Tana list.
Library is still a good rate. Yeah it sucks the first turn, but by the second turn, 2 mana for 3-4 cards is very good And by the time it's 6 it's faster than one ring draws
I’m still pretty high on sylvan. It makes the cut in my kenrith list. I run mastermind, ledger shredder, and sylvan as card advantage 2 drops. I’ve found that sylvan outperforms archivist of oghma on average so I run it instead. I try and optimize so I have turn 1 or 2 card advantage in every hand. Also delighted halfling is a dud for Kenrith. Your etali example is peak halfling value but a lot of decks are starved for color pips and I just don’t think summoning sick colorless is good when a lot of the most powerful cards aren’t legendary. It got the cut.
Sylvan Library is the OG for me, and while it's definitely gotten outclassed, it's still in every deck I play. I wish Green would get some sort of card advantage engine in the form of "Whenever a player does ___, you may draw a card." (not Runic Armasaur).
As a mono-green player (Marwyn) I find it funny all of the places where I disagree with this list. I think this list is pretty accurate for overall cEDH but it differs wildly from how I would rate cards for my deck
I know it's more of a meme deck right now, but Seedborn Muse is NUTS in Kadena morphs. She plays as many ways to cast creatures at flash speed as possible
Bloom Tender is one of the most important cards in sisay which is arguably one of the more popular and strong decks right now in the meta, but the card is otherwise unplayable in other decks
In all honesty I play sliver overlord, and I wouldn’t consider my deck a cEDH but more of a high power and I can say that seedborn muse is something that has helped me so much and is very useful, great video by the way guys have learned a lot from you all!!
I’m a few months into magic and again I’ve learned a lot from you all and from both of you if you all had any tips to be a better control player and even a better way to pilot the deck I’d really appreciate it!!
100% on the dorks, I'm not playing the green dorks that only generate 1 color in my Rocco deck cuz of bowmasters, the dorks that are in the deck still are able to generate more colors like Birds and Arbor Elf(added benefit that I'm playing Yavimaya), have extra utility like Delighted Halfling or can generate more mana like Bloom Tender, Fae-burrow and Orcish Lumberjack
There are some things that green does that are under utilized imo. The ability to make your spells uncounterable should probably be more explored in cEDH. Cards like vexing shusher, destiny spinner and veil of summer can win you games similarly to grand Abolisher
I won't be cutting sylvan library any time soon. Unless I'm playing it wrong I can essentially pick from 3 cards if I wish and just put 2 back never taking any life damage. Also good with the tutors if you just play it during the end step. Ensuring you see the card you place on top as well as a chance to see what you would have drawn as well. Idk it seems pretty good to ensure we see the cards we do need. I can't complain about my build. Let someone borrow it for league play and they dropped turn 1 Bristly, turn 2 vorinclex, monstrous raider and turn 3 voice of hunger. I may have the turn order for vorinclex wrong but you get the point 🤣 maybe he'll randomly see this and we both can laugh about it
delighted halfing giving your One Ring uncounterable is also a pretty strong bit of utility, people don't counter it often but I'd still say it happens enough to keep in mind.
I remember when I was able to play collector ouphe turn 1 off my gem stone caverns and thought with my dorks I'm gonna be able to get so far ahead. 6 turns later all my dorks were wiped and I was sitting there with sisay 23 treasures and an ouphe. The entire table was actually keeping him alive against everything I did to try and get rid of him. I cut him afterwards
Unironically Legolas's quick reflexes is great in Najeela. The two biggest problems she has is getting removed, and your opponents all having creatures to stop you from snowballing. It just handles both really well. I'm not saying it's a staple, but I think it at least has a home in one of the top decks.
noxious revival has been such good interaction for me, while being great as recursion at the same time. In my opinion it is on the level of mental misstep. Worldly tutor however is just good enough for me when it can find dockside. I would put it under bloomtender.
@@heboriklehkoruky9218 You target the untap ability to aphetto itself as you tap it and since it becomes tapped it deals 1 damage to target creature. You repeat this process until you ping everything off the board you want. This of course you need 1 turn cycle with aphetto onboard due to summon sickness and since it gains hexproof nobody can remove the creature with target removal.
@@heboriklehkoruky9218alchemist can untap itself with its tap effect, and quick reflexes has the creature deal its power in damage whenever it's tapped to a creature
The 1 mana dorks were mentioned, but not utopia sprawl or wild growth, which can go mana neutral on the turn you play them. Are they notably worse than the dorks thanks to feeding dockside or the restrictions on them?
Me playing lathril watching this deck, but the reference of use for these cards is never a green focused deck lol, Sick video! loved learning some new cards to add to my commander
I've never ever swung at my Invasion of Ikoria. But MANY times I have won with a Nykthos that needed the devotion. My friends now swing at Invasion themselves if I have Nykthos in play 😂
You mention nifty things you can do with Wall of Roots and Chord of Calling, but there are even niftier things Wall of Roots can do with Eldritch Evolution or Natural Order. And I know OG Omnath isn't cEDH but my high power OG Omnath deck LOVES Wall of Roots. T1 Forest Sol Ring T2 Forest Wall of Roots Omnath T3 Forest Tooth and Nail Entwined
Greens biggest problem is that all their play styles play through creatures and combat wins, which having to play on board is just so much weaker than spellslinging
Also not that it comes up a lot but if you flip etali and flip battle of ikoria it’s a one shot because of the poison counters. I have actually killed someone this way it was pretty funny
I play Kinnan and noxious revival has been really good in response to my brothers fetch land I put Savian's reclamation on top of his library ibknow it's not the main use but it comes up more than u would think but sometimes the person using it doesn't think about it that way
Good break down, not sure about Eldritch Evolution being that high as having a creature to sac is an inherent cost (you said as much for crop rot). No GSZ or Sylvan Tutor rating 😢
Yo! I haven’t watched this since yesterday and it only just occurred to me so maybe I’m wrong??? Did you forget about Survival of the Fittest? I would have that on my list of top 10 green cards for sure. What about Birthing pod? Maybe worth a mention. Selvala is a little bit niche but, I mean she’s a little niche but she’s completely busted in the decks that want her and likely the colors best commander. Maybe I just need to watch again., I’m going to. Surely you would have had Survival of the fittest somewhere in the discussion? Unless you simply forgot 🤷♂️ It happens.. Namaste homies 🖖
whenever i look at noxious revival i look at my whole deck minus lands and im like would i pay 1.5 mana more for all those cards tally the yes and no and if yes is greater than 30-35 cards in the deck i keep it in for 3-4 colors for 1-2 colors i use noxius if its over 10 cards i would
Although i do run into bowmaster as a kinnan pilot i feel like it feels just as bad to be feeding dockside or running into a collector ouphe so they might be judging dorks a little harshly
@@BVBridesifyer legolas's quick reflexes makes the creature do damage equal to its power when it's tapped, freed from the reel let's you untap a creature for one blue mana. If you have a dork that taps for blue and has at least 1 power, it can tap and untap itself to machine gun down the board
@@cinosaurus only while quick reflexes is on the stack. Split second only works as long as the spell is on the stack, once it's resolved you can activate abilities and cast instants again.
