When we're talking Page, Hendrix, Gilmore and Iommi it's apples and oranges. It's like a Tool song, the one you're listening to at the moment is your favorite.
Page was one of the busiest session guitarists in London in the sixties. He worked with top producers and artists, so he was well educated by the time he joined Led Zeppelin. Before that he was with The Yardbirds, and the John Mayall Blues Band, but when he came to form Zeppelin he knew what he wanted. He found it. BTW, "Black Dog" is another word for depression. Page is the top, the best.
Big legged 59 year old woman here who's been listening to Zeppelin since the beginning. It's true. We have no soul, so we'll take yours out and play with it.
Zeppelin rules but Sabbath is a close second !nobody sings like Plant and Page ,it made my skin crawl in a good way ,I just wanted to hear more it fascinated me at 10 years old I was hooked !1970
tom ask which is better Toni or Jimmy is like comparing whiskey and scotch,,,, both are wonderful,,, you may have a favorite but as far as i am concerned,,, Jimmy is GOD of guitar,, as i started playing guitar in the 70's because I wanted to be Page!!!! Toni,, is something of a different music,, and I would never say one is better then the other,,,, I would never say. Iconic duo,, David Gilmore and Alvin Lee, or Mark Knoffler and Terry Alan Kath of Chicago
No love for 70's Ritchie Blackmore? He's more influential to heavy metal than Page, IMO. Most of the metal guitarists I knew cited Blackmore and Iommi often.
They were rehearsing the song and a black dog just wandered into the recording studio, They hadn't named the song yet, so they went with that. True story.
also close, he did not wander into the studio he wandered the grounds of the studio they were recording at..per the interview..."The band worked up the song at Headley Grange, a mansion in Hampshire, England that is out in the country, surrounded by woods. A nameless black Labrador retriever would wander the grounds, and the band would feed it. When they needed a name for this track, which didn't have an obvious title, they thought of the canine and went with "Black Dog."
Jimmy page hands down. Jimmy was a genius. He forever changed the way music was written,produced, performed,and recorded. Jimmy not only played. But he also built the first distortion box.the WA WA pedal. And the phaser. He was the first person to play with a violin bow. He has Gibson build him a custom double neck guitar. So he could use it to play live songs that in the studio he had used a combination of 6 and 12 string guitars.He modified a 1930's Theramin to use on Whole latta love. He never played the same lead the same in live shows. Always ad-libbing making it up as the song progressed. He could play every type of music. From Classical acustica to fast and hard electric using effect pedals that he had made. He produced every album and did things in the studio that had never been done. Like reverse echo.Ghosting, channel fading. Over dubbing. Recording on 8 and 16 tracks. A true masterful musician. So really there is no comparison to anyone. It is simple to hear a sound and to try and duplicate it. But to be the first person to have the ideas and visions, then to recorded it , composed it, played it and produced it. Jimmy page has influenced every band that followed. There are guitar players that are more precise and technical. But none whole had the impact that Jimmy had. For that reason he will always be the greatest guitarists with the greatest band to ever grace the stage.
Better check again Brother, Hendrix, was the Father of many Guitar effects.. Listen to Rainy Day Dream Away off of the album Electric Ladyland... Page is awesome but, no Hendrix....
Also, Black Dog was a challenge of sorts for the band. The bassist made a bass line that was nearly impossible to follow. Yet they crafted this masterpiece around that bass line and crushed it.
kinda, he brought the original bass line in written in 3/16 time, which no one can really jam musically, so they adjusted the time signature, and then fleshed out the rest of the song...that is from a John Paul Jones interview and his explanation on the creation of said track
@@sagicornicusstarcrasher2766 Absolutely! I love me some Zepp, since I was a wee one, parents have a ton of live footage and bootlegs, it was in one of those that they explained a bunch of things, and de-mystified some others, that I learned these things. can't remember the name of it but it was actually the band answering the questions, so I always felt like it was the legit info you know!
Plant and Page are the ultimate rock duo for several reasons; They were magnificent collaborators in songwriting 2) they were both hugely charismatic onstage 3) They improvised off of each other on the fly and were in total sync They also used “ call and response” 4) Plant often used his voice as an instrument to add additional atmosphere to a song
this riff was actually created by John Paul Jones, who definitely be in the greatest bassists of the 70’s and before. he’s probably the most underrated musician there is in my opinion. bass, keyboards, mandolin, acoustic guitar, mellotron, on and on and on.
Yes Mr. Ladd John Paul'Jones never got do Recognition for his Place in the Band (His Quarter) the other 3'Quarters of the Band for their Instrument was Equal in Calaber and that's what made (LED🌎ZEPPELIN) so "Grand" he just stayed out of the Limelight of the "Press" and Such he wanted to Walk the Streets and not "BEE" Poked at and He Did 🌎 and Does 🌀
And went on to an interesting solo career after Zeppelin…and was and is in various collaborations: Them Crooked Vultures with Dave Grohl, and Black Country with Joe Bonamassa. He’s also underrated as a witty funny guy. You should watch him on the clip of him, Page and Plant on the David Letterman show in 2012 after the Kennedy Center Honors celebration.
I am 37. I grew up listening to my father's old vinyls. But I didn't get into Zeppelin until I was in my early 20s.... There's nothing that they can't do. You really need to just listen to all their albums from the start.
If you want to hear the more psychedelic songs from Zeppelin, you gotta listen to No Quarter, In the Light, or Dazed and Confused. Though they had several songs that certainly could be considered psychedelic I wouldn't classify them in that genre. They were more bluesy hard rock than psychedelic IMHO, though they went through their phases, as other bands did.
Before you make your decision you have to watch DAZED AND CONFUSED LIVE IN MADISON SQUARE GARDEN 1973. YOU WON'T FIND ANYTHING ON RU-vid AS EPIC. Do the 28:57 version.
Zeppelin predates Sabbath (Sabbath "borrowed" from Zep's song Communication Breakdown for their song Paranoid) and was considered hard rock/heavy blues, and while Zeppelin were not considered metal, Zeppelin, Sabbath, and Deep Purple were called the "unholy trinity of British hard rock and heavy metal" and the three are considered to be the forefathers of metal. The title comes from a black Labrador Retriever who used to wander around the grounds of the place where Zep was recording this album. Bassist John Paul Jones came up with the riff and the start/stop song structure is based off Fleetwood Mac's song Oh Well. Other duos I can think of are Toxic Twins Steve Perry and Steven Tyler and Keef Richards and Mick Jagger.
If you ever have time, check out the special "It might get loud" featuring Page, Jack White and The Edge from U2... They all have different styles, but we're all self created.... incredible documentary!
No one person has changed the art of guitar playing , producing and arranging as much as James Patrick Page !!! I have lived in this era and when Zeppelin hit guitarist around this planet had an awakening . No one sounded like them. They couldnt keep up with public demand where ever they went . This band was Jimmys vision . Page is the most prolific axeman of his time , never resting , always changing. From Zep 1 to In Through The Out Door its all there for the taking … the journey that is Mr. Page !!!
Guess what? The main riff to this song was written by the band's bass player John Paul Jones. He also played the other instruments on the zeppelin songs like recorder (think Stairway to Heaven) organ (Since I've Been Loving You), synthesizer (No Quarter), mandolin (Going to California). His genius was hidden in plain sight.
I would say that JPJ is the glue who hold it all together. The literal driving force onstage is Bonham’s drumming….the figurative driving force of Zeppelin was Page, since it was his vision, and he formed the band and picked the members and produced all the albums.
Page is the best/ Why? because more than any other guitarist, he's an artist. He used the guitar has a means to an end ie create great art. furthermore, he was the producer on these albums. So the finished product was squarely on his shoulders... being a producer is a huge role in whether something sounds good or not. therefore, page contributed more than any other guitarist don't care if he can't execute some technical thing or if someone does it better.... thats totally irrelevant compared to the art of creating music other people want to listen too.
Led zepplin are usually considered the godfathers of metal from their attitude when it came to playing the music, black sabath went ahead and created the sound of metal when Tony their guitarist lost the tips of his fingers due to an accident at work, after coming home from the hospital he melted Down dish soap bottles and created new finger tips for himself but found he couldn't hold down the tightened guitar strings the tips would slip and jump, so he lowered the tension on the strings retuned the guitar and that is how he stumbled upon the deeper darker metal sound. Their vocalist at the time was not happy with the new direction the band decided to peruse so they put up posters looking to recruit a new vocalist. Cue ozzy turning up with his pet shoe to the audition. Yes a pet shoe........
The most iconic duo would have to be John Lennon and Paul McCartney. It pains me that you guys won't be able to do most of The Beatles' greatest works (which is almost everything they've ever written) here on RU-vid due to Copyright. Some songs will be fine, usually if you dispute the claims, but Sony owns their publishing rights and has a strict hold on their music. Needless to say, there's a reason many consider The Beatles to be the Greatest Band of All Time, and John and Paul were the main reasons why. They are literally the most cherished and loved songwriting duo in music and their songs have been covered more than anyone else. And that's just scratching the surface of what makes them so great.
I'm here to read the MF's that called Jimmy "overrated"... PS: Led Zeppelin put 2 records before Sabbath, plus Jimmy and JPJ were already consolidated musicians in England
if you haven't checked out their song - whole lotta love. it's kinda similar but different. you guys'll be bopping around the same way. page is definitely better then iommi, always been, always will be.
Plant and Page worked well together, but this band is more about how all four worked together. They naturally did things so that the parts didn't "step on" each other. Jones and Bonham were the best Rhythm Section in all of Rock n' Roll, IMO. 😳🤯
What sets Zeppelin apart from the other bands was their versatility. They changed their sound completely after having massive success with a certain style. It takes balls to do that. Zeppelin played what they liked and didn't follow trends. They set trends. They were their own genre
So, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath are known as the triangle that is the fathers of metal as we know it today. Later came the new british wave of heavy metal (NBWOHM) which included Iron Maiden, etc
Let's also not forget: Jeff Beck Ritchie Blackmore Pete Townshend Paul Kossoff Frank Zappa Jan Akkerman Robby Krieger Duane Allman Joe Walsh Michael Schenker Billy Gibbons Ted Nugent Alex Lifeson Angus Young Joe Perry Randy Bachman Peter Frampton Ace Frehley
@@helenespaulding7562 Brian May is already in, I believe. Freddie Mercury, although an excellent musician in his own right was primarily a vocalist. Ritchie Blackmore of Deep Purple fame is widely considered one of the top 5 guitarists of the 70's. Check out Trash Talker's reaction of Rainbow - Stargazer and see for yourself.
Led Zeppelin really weren't Psychedelic actually. Jimmy Page's previous band The Yardbirds were, but not Zeppelin. They had a few interludes during songs that were sort of experimental and psychedelic, but their music was more for young sober (or at least drunk) fans than drugged out club goers which is what the Psychedelic scene mostly played to. On top of that, Zeppelin are largely credited as originators and pioneers of Heavy Metal. There were really 3 bands that were considered the Unholy Trinity of Metal in the early 1970s: Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, and Deep Purple. Compared to other Hard Rock bands at the time, these three were the heaviest out there which is why they are all considered the originators of Metal. Some people will say only Sabbath were the true Metal band of the time, but I think that's only if you're comparing more recent Metal to them and saying they sound more like modern Metal than say Zeppelin or Purple. However, people forget that Metal existed in the 1970s too with Judas Priest and Rainbow, who sounded much more like Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple at the time (the latter of both having guitarist Ritchie Blackmore). Metal in the 1970s was mostly just more intense Hard Rock. Retrospectively, we view Led Zeppelin in the same boat as the Hard Rock of the 1980s such as AC/DC and Van Halen, but given they had that sound in 1969 when the hardest Rock was Steppenwolf and Cream, it was very much considered something very different and heavier. As a result, many Metal bands that followed immediately afterwards still considered Zeppelin to be their main influence, some even more than Sabbath, because in their mind, they both invented Metal. They just invented two different distinct parts to it. The dark, cultish, and thick distorted guitars of Black Sabbath and the powerful, lively, and complex beats of Led Zeppelin.
@@jfeelix91 I suppose we can agree to disagree on how to measure a guitarist's talent. All of the great ones borrow liberally from others, in my experience.
There's a different in like being influenced by others work and using that to create ur own original content but Page Straight up took other little known blues artists work and called it his own that's just disrespectful in my opinion
@@jfeelix91 while he certainly did plagiarize lyrics, and that's not cool, it doesn't change the fact that Page and Zeppelin as a whole took those songs to a whole new level. The songs were just sonically, completely different and with really high flying guitar work from Page. And besides, stealing from other artists is in the DNA of blues music. Early Zep was absolutely a blues band and plenty of the music they stole was probably stolen before them too. People are only salty about it nowadays because they took music that was never too popular outside a small population and turned it into a worldwide phenomenon.
Fun fact: The phrase 'heavy metal' was used for the first time in "Born To Be Wild" by Steppenwolf. The song was released in 1968. Therefore, at least in my mind, if 'heavy metal' music existed before 1968, they wouldn't have called it that.
All of the great bands of the day, their music directly gave birth to "metal." I think Black Sabbath was the "advent" of metal officially. Many of the old bands here are blues based, along with other genres. Zeppelin, Cream, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Allman Brothers, Jimi Hendrix, many more. There's a lot of guitarists that are in contention besides Tommy Iommi though. Jimi, Jeff Beck, Clapton, Alex Lifeson, Randy Rhodes, others.
Mick Jagger & Keith Richards Brian May & Freddie Mercury Steve Perry & Neal Schon Eddie Van Halen & David Lee Roth Ozzy & Tony Iommi Joe Perry & Steven Tyler Ian Gillan & Ritchie Blackmore Axl Rose & Slash Kirk Hammet & James Hetfield Layne Staley & Jerry Cantrell LEGENDS! 🤘🎸
Agree with all except for a queen but I’m just not a fan. With that being said I can still respect the talent they had, just not a fan of the style I guess.
Tyler and Perry (Aerosmith) Osborne and Rhoads (Ozzy Osborne) Jagger and Richards (The Rolling Stones) McCoy and Monroe (Hanoi Rocks) Mercury and May (Queen) Daltrey and Townshend (The Who)
I would never mention Jimmy without mentioning Stephen Ray Vaughan. He started playing professionally in 1972 although most people outside of Austin, TX didn't really hear of him. I think he was as good, or better than Jimmy with Jimmy's own songs (IMO), but definately better at blues.
U know that Zep got famous off of songs from Muddy Waters and more? Copywrites were different then. U could steal songs and not have to pay royalties. Especially if they were Black Artists. So sorry for them. I was raised that Sabbath was THE 70' s band along with KISS. Then again Tallking Heads first record was in 1977. Love them too.
This is not the best song to showcase Jimmy Page. Stairway, Whole Lotta Love, Kashmir, The Battle of Evermore all would probably be better. Great song though. Page is top 5. Iommi is close but I think outside the top 5 looking in.
What you both may want to do is check out Jimmy Pages earlier work with Jeff Beck in The Yardbirds. He and Jeff were beginning the psychedelic guitar work there in the mid to later '60s before Zeppelin formed. Check out "Over, Under ,Sideways, Down " and I believe "Turn Into Earth", not sure of the last title. Check out any LP by them before they folded and Jimmy formed Zep. The guitar work and dueling guitars are amazing between Beck and Page. (After Clapton had left). I met JImmy during this time ( 1967 ) when He and Jeff Beck played with The Yardbirds in my small town of LaPorte , Indiana. They played on the floor at the National Guard Armory there to about 150 people and tickets were only 1.50 to 2.00 . While the band took a break I and a couple friends went out back for a smoke. Out came Jimmy ( He said to call him Pagey) and he asked me for a "stick" (cigarette). I gave him a Kool menthol and he said he preferred menthols. We chatted a bit and had a couple laughs and then he was called back in to play. He was a likable dude then when we were both young adults and would have fit in with anyone at the time. A great memory of mine. ( Jeff was kind of offish .) Today I am 73 and still rocking on bass guitar, too. Peace.
A guitarist that Hendrix had nothing but praise for that y'all probably never heard of is Terry Kath of Chicago. You need to react to 25 or 6 to 4, and hold onto your hat for his guitar solo.
NO ONE IS BETTER THAN ANYONE. They all were soooo talented. Just a matter of taste. Damm, we rockers from that day hate this, WHO'S THE BEST THIS AND THAT. UGHHH Just enjoy our Generations amazing music.
In my opinion, Zeppelin and Sabbath are on different branches of the genre. One is more rock oriented and the other is metal. Can't compare the two except to say that one type is liked better than the other. Just my opinion. Page created so many rock solos as a first, and Iommi created every metal riff you can imagine. They were the first to do both. They are equally great at what they do. And what they do is different from each other. Do I make sense? Or did I just "ramble on" ? 🤣
When I was in high school in the early 80s someone wrote on the wall “Clapton is God”, to which I wrote 100 guitarists better than him. Don’t make me do the same for Tony Freakin’ Ionni.
Page was playing as a session musician when he was 16 years old in the yearly 60s. He played with The Yardbirds In the late 60s and then formed Led Zeppelin in 1968. Black Sabbath was formed in Birmingham in 1968.
