As usual your walk around is spot on! We were fortunate enough to speak with the owners of this tractor. The original owners had removed most of the components off of the top including the engine. It was converted into a mobile grain bin trailer. The original pictures he showed us were quite interesting. This is one of only three tractors still known in existence. This is the only one that is operational. The engine block was completely recast after 3D scanning one of the other existing tractors. Only the crankshaft is an original engine component. Just like you noticed, most things had to be meticulously remade. The owner told us that the oil system was very rudimentary. It relied on a splash / slinger system that shot oil into cups to carry it to the top of the motor. Needless to say it caused most of these engines to fail prematurely. That is why the cam and other upper components are slathered in grease. I found the exposed overhead cam to be very interesting! An overhead cam was way ahead of its time when this was built. Another great walk around! 👍
2 of the 3 surviving units came from the Tysse collection. He found the remains abandoned in the range land of a Montana ranch back in the 60's. I viewed the parts piles many times over the years, amazed at how primitive they were. And how broken up they were! The one was literally broken in half. At first, he only found the rear section. But many years later a fellow that had hunted in the area where the rear was found, informed them that the other parts were still located on the ranch, but in another ravine. Once that was recovered, there was enough parts of an original to copy and reproduce parts to reconstruct both units. The 30 was kept by John, the 40 eventually ended up at the Hart Parr museum in Charles City, last I heard. As far as I'm aware, it is in an operational condition, just in a static display. The one John still has is in running condition as well. The one above, which I wasn't aware of until recently, BTW, was found in western KS. by another well known collector. Then ownership transferred to the present owner, that resurrected it from barely a rolling chassis! A monumental under taking indeed! The primitive oiling system and less than stellar oils from the times, and the boat anchor front steering wheel, were the main factors in the early failure of this version of Hart Parr at the time. But in all fairness, this was uncharted engineering yet. I don't think the mechanical lubricator was part of the original design, but a necessary improvement to keep the motor alive!
If you're counting that way, technically there are 5 total. I'll say 4.75 as Lyle's 30 is not yet competed. John's 30 Lyle's 30 WDM 40 Floyd County Museum 40 Our 40 As intimate as we've been with these tractors, you really have to count the 30 and 40 differently. For the casual viewer, they look the same but the details are entirely different. I wish I could post links here. The comment bot keeps deleting them. I have so many more pictures.
@@hartparr You and I have met at Crosby a few times and again at Kurts open house this past spring. Yes John kept the 30 and I know the 40 is a bit different. I wasn't aware of Lyle putting one together or the one at WDM. Only heard of your's this spring! These days building the motors and other long gone parts from scratch, is amazing. Back when I had my N&S 35-70 Gas tractor parts pile, I couldn't get any cooperation from anyone, collector or foundry, at any cost. Now I wish I'd kept it. Hopefully the present owner will get some where with it before I'm dead and gone. Thanks Frank.
@@hartparr Joe Fisher, nothern Illinois. He also has those Minneapolis 25-50's pulled from a river, that he's trying to recreate' I suppose he has the finances to get somewhere with it.
What a unique tractor. It’s absolutely amazing what they could do 120 years ago without the technology we have today. I can’t imagine the knowledge the designers of this must have had. Another fantastic video Squatch. Thanks
Thanks, but the one main thing I never expected to happen when I made the switch to doing RU-vid full time, was that I suddenly wouldn’t have any free time to actually WATCH any RU-vid lol 😂
Yep that's the one on CTF, an incredible achievement to remanufacture so many complex parts with new technology , when you watch that video of it being rebuilt it makes you wonder how they designed and built these things with 120 year old technology. Thanks for the up close walk around, truly superb 👍
That's a meticulous and - if I dare say so - perfect restauration. And it is really a good looking machine as a whole as well as in all the details - there is nothing of the typical awkwardness in the design which we see in other machines of this time.
That was a very interesting tractor. Amazing amount of parts were recast. Both cylinders were new. Guy I was talking to said it took like 5 attempts before the cylinder came out right. The exhaust manifolds you could see were made with a 3 d printer to be cast. After seeing it in person I’m glad somebody took the time and resources and brought it back to life. Probably one of my Favorites at the Albany show.
Thanks for this walkaround and the descriptions concerning the individual components. I agree it's an interesting piece of history especially the steering system and hub assembly. The additional video of it running was the icing on the cake or whip cream on the pie (your choice). Thanks Toby.
God bless those that take up the mantle of preserving these big beautiful mobile mechanical pieces of art. An amazing display that at any point in history there were geniuses pushing the limits of the time. ❤
Excellent video that is a really neat looking early tractor. I see lots of experimental or prototype stuff on that tractor I have seen a few of them over the years but never a single front wheel it was possibly a prototype back in the day . Keep up the great videos
Many of the tractors at this show seem to have huge radiator cooling systems far larger than anything I've seen in UK. Is this because these tractors were working in much hotter climates in the USA than we get in UK perhaps? Always good to watch your content KRs Bob
I did enjoy it! I just got back from Indiana, it was a very good show there too. it was more newer tractors and older ones. it was also a carnival with it and a sanctioned tractor pull.
You missed one of the most interesting, (to me at least) features of this tractor, and that’s the fact that it is an overhead cam engine with hemispherical chambers, which for the time is an extremely advanced design
Yeah I sometimes don’t catch everything there is to see, if I know the owner of the machine and get permission to climb up on it and spend some time looking around I can point more things out. But when I have to stay on the ground I can only see so much lol 👍
Hart-Parr had been using this design for the previous 10 years but with hit and miss governing. This is throttled governed. Regardless, doing this design in 1902 or 03 was truly ahead of their time.
Sorry to have missed you! I’ve been helping to drive the show’s prairie tractors for the parade the last couple of years so I’ve been pretty busy when everything is getting started up. Great job on that tractor, it’s amazing 👍😎
Hey! Awesome video! I'm so glad you made this. I love seeing these prairie tractors like this. They are really just incredible that one in particular looks like it has an overhead cam configuration with the valves inclined at the angles that they're inclined at. It almost looks like a pent roof or almost A hemi head Great video!
I’m still sorry to have missed you there Ken, it seems that these shows just get busier and busier for me every year and I just run steady from place to place and tractor to tractor, with lots of conversations in-between it all. I was there for 5 whole days, yet I only actually remember about 2 of them lol 😂
Great walk around love the old hart parrs if you ever get to Charles city area the Floyd county museum has a lot of hart parr Oliver and white farm heritage even an experimental Oliver tractor
Very interesting machine those guys were not dumb I wonder what the holes down the center of front wheel are for it's like there is another piece you can bolt onto it for whatever reason whole thing is very unique in many ways I'm sure you would have to be a REAL man to operate one all day
What a marvel. Like a dinosaur becoming a bird. Disc brake(s) in 1912! LOL. You describe the source of ignition electricity as a dynamo rather than a magneto. Do you know what was used to boost the voltage to the many thousands of volts needed to jump a fixed plug gap?
I’m not 100% knowledgeable on these, but that belt runs something that very closely resembles a generator and that then feeds a set of ignition coil-type components that have windings in them similar to the old Fordson tractors and Ford Model T car ignition systems. The voltage increase happens within those coil windings, similar to the Ford systems.
There are small round bars attached to ignition cam lobes that literally make contact against spring steel to complete the circuit. One for each cylinder. We can adjust the position of the spring steel to retard and advance the timing.
Yes, I included footage of it running at the end of this video, plus a few shots of it driving around in the other episode I uploaded just previous to this one 👍
The front suspension seems to be a very smart bit of engineering! Toby, at 2:52 you said that component looked repro to you. What was it about it that led you to think so? How does one judge that? Thanks.
Does someone mind discussing/explaining the different styles of cooling/radiators in the pervious video, and on this tractor? Some almost looked like boilers with tubes, without the boiler; others like this one, look like their cooled with stack effect? I've tried googling, but without knowing what these different designs are called I haven't found much.
You're correct for the most part. Twin City and Altman Taylor were two manufacturers that utilized boiler type heat exchangers with fans to remove heat from water, Rumely and early Hart-Parrs were oil cooled with exhaust induced draft across the panels for cooling. Avery had a similar design but with a tank and exposed copper tubes while many early IHC tractors just let water run down a screen, fully exposed to dust and dirt.
Yah, about a month ago. What had happened was one of the cylinder liners had worked itself loose ( it was a hair too small for the opening), and whenever the piston was on an upstroke, the sleeve would knock against the cylinder head. Apparently, a new sleeve fixed the problem, no further damage.
@@steveolesen8033 I think it was a standard size replacement. Reaching into my memory (carefully, don't wanna get bit!), Toby mentioned that the last major engine work was a refurbishment, not a rebuild. The original liners were left in place at that time. Also, the letter sizes refer to the size of the bore, not the outside diameters of the mounting surfaces.
Instead of making a video about something you know absolutely nothing about you should have interviewed the men who built it!!!!! I will give you a clue, two of them were in your video!!!!
I’m not here to bother people or get in their way, nor do most people want to be put on the spot in front of a camera. With those courtesies in mind, I try to do most of my filming when nobody else is around 👍
It's a walk around, not a "talk show". You want more info, there's pages of the makers. Squatch tries to give us an overview, you want more, you have to go there. And i say that being European, having almost no time to visit.
My thought as well, plus the state of steel technology in 1912 was probably not up to it being a rolling bearing. For example, only in WWI were exhaust valves made from stainless steel (and even then only in aero engines) removing the need for regrinds every 200 miles or so. Not missing a zero in that number...
It actually has two big flange bushings one from each side, that meet in the middle. The tractor actually has ball bearings from the factory on the first reduction shaft in the transmission.
