Raspberry Pi 5: EVERYTHING you need to know 

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Nice video

Nice

I think Red shirt Jeff may be at play here "Lets do this and see what happens" "NO Red shirt J.... oh wait it worked?"

Wow. It is nice to see you here too. I am a big fan of EC 😊

Wow a rare sighting!

Wow you're here too, EC. Hello!

I think you should get one to play with too! You are the SBC guru imho.

You don't see a PI Bias? Blind much?

@@viewitnow3539 he pointed out competition on ARM and RISC-V. Deaf much?

Can't wait for this to get into the hands of the general public and developers.

Hey Chuck! Just wanted to say, you got me into cybersec and I'm forever grateful!

Heh, it was a bit of a journey :D

It took so long, as people were probably hammering raspberry pi’s website, waiting for the pi 5 since 2022

how do you test stats on macbook terminal while booting the pi?its impossible @@JeffGeerling

Can it run Crysis?

If you say so

There was a brief moment where I was able to buy Pi 4s off the shelf at Micro Center. Then 2020 happened and that was all out the window.

@@JeffGeerling They seem to be pretty obtainable at the moment, but that's a recent development of course.

That s because it was available just for huge companies and scalpers.

We never got the 4 though. It was vaporware for the plebs that it was supposedly made for in the first place

No problem! I have already watched a few this morning but I'm beginning to peter out, time for some sleep!

it was SO comprehensive!

@@JeffGeerlingSame here. Commenting on yours @ 3:20 am. Glad to be retired for sleeping into the morning hours. BR 😎

Yes i feel the same way.

I've been using the pi4 as nas for some time now.

I can always go for another storage-related video :)

​@@JeffGeerlingdo the petabyte pi challenge again

yeah I had a pi 4 NAS and it had tons of problems, really hope this new pi works well.

I'm not getting my hopes up

I don't think the supply chain issues had anything at all to do with manufacturing. This will likely reduce production line setup and operational costs and improve yields, all of which helps keep prices down, but if you've had any experience buying electronic components in the past 4 years it's pretty clear why companies like the Raspberry Pi Foundation have had supply issues. It's component supply that is the problem. Lowering manufacturing costs isn't going to make more components magically appear on the market.

In my country, local distributor is selling it for 300 USD. So bad.

@@ajaka002 jesoooooos well I don't have any 4 or 5 but I think I have a 3 somewhere I could send you for free if you want.

​@@kmain5587 Thank you very much, but I don't need it. I'm just here to express my opinion. that some distributors think that right now is still a mining boom and chips shortage.

Thanks David!

haha, i see new raspberry pi 5 diy flipper zero video coming XD

@@JeffGeerling will it ditch its weird boot loading and start using a standard bios at some point?

For arm there is a UEFI certification program called ARM SystemReady. There is a UEFI shim for this for the Pi3/4, it's needed to boot ESXi and Windows. It would be nice if there was a transition over that for the boot firmware.@@Caddy666

​@@JeffGeerlingwill the pikvm work with pi5?

Wow, 3 to 5, that will definitely be mind blowing... just doing an apt update and apt upgrade is mind-bogglingly faster.

Same here, I can’t wait to get my hands on one

@@JeffGeerling Waiiiiiiiit one second right there does this mean that the Pi 5 can actually, reliably run games?

Still got a pi 1 on my shelf in a clear ish original case (2011.12) have see if it still powers up

Same here... never pulled the trigger on the Pi4, just pre-ordered the Pi5... my Pi3 is gasping for air now!! 😂

I get the feeling they got rid of the headphone jack for cost reasons too, but for me that's a deal-breaker.

$75 isn't a family dinner where I come from lol.

It's all about the cost now, that's where the competition is.

@@megatronskneecap same, but I guess that all depends on the size of your family, and the type of food. With an average family size of 4 people, and eating at a reasonably priced chain sit-down restaurant... you will probably be down for $60... +tax and tip... ~$80-90

@@jong2359 Welp scalpers have already got their hands on it. Pimoroni is sold out cold.

like on the bottom side.... Where there almost NO COMPONENTS anymore.

Let's not push for this to be a full pc. The price is already getting a bit too high for what it's supposed to be.

@@pidojaspdpaidipashdisao572 All the stores i checked ARE still out of stock anyway, at least Canada. Gotta be like 2 or so Years straight at this point. And now they want to introduce another product? oof.

​@pidojaspdpaidipashdisao572 honestly tho with inflation being what it is, the price might be more consistent than it looks at a glance (I mean compare it to the cost of eating out back in the day vs now).

If it had a NVME I would be positive about this release. But now they remove hardware acceleration of video, they still have those really bad mini hdmi ports, and it needs a fan and heatsink (why not just put it on as standard then?) That adapter will be like $40 probably for NVME, and make it like one inch thicker.

i was gonna comment this!

Same!

Dito

Pi Hut has preorders open already!

*which will be sold out "should" they start shipping next month (tomorrow)*@@TheDigitizedSignPainter

Let's hope they can ramp production quickly. The Pi 4 finally is back in stock. Sometimes. In some places! We'll see.

Kiss as

​​@@omar10wahabwhy kissass? what benefit would they have from kissing ass? altruism is a thing, and supporting content makers means more and better content.

Absolutely! Jeff did amazing

@@ryecatcher25 Or literally any flavor of Linux under the sun. Used "Optiplex Micro" are crashing out at ~$110 maxed out with a 7th gen i7 and 16gb RAM, 4x the performance cap for similar power draws idle and S3 vs the Pi's idle and max, lower specs than that are reliably sub-$50. If you really need GPIO ESP32-S3s are ~$7 since China accidentally flooded out the market on those, their USB return speeds are fast enough to be used as a capture device, and they have almost the same GPIO selection. Putting the two together is eco friendly since you're recycling old hardware with minimal power draw, good for your wallet since you're getting more for less, and still getting all the features of a Pi.

I agree - if you are looking for a small NUC, there are better options for the same price after you factor in the board, the adapter, active cooling and a case. I also wouldn't print my own case unless I plan on using ABS. If you print a case with PLA, I doubt it would last long due to high temperatures causing warping. That being said, I loved it back when the Pi was only about 1amp. It could easily be run 100% solar powered and a battery when no solar was available. Now there are other alternatives for that market as well. It feels like the Pi family is not the same Pi that I fell in love with.

At 2.0 it would be enough bandwidth to run 2 very fast enterprise HDDs like Exos, which are ~250MB/s. At 3.0, you could run 4.

wouldn't it be possible to have a bunch of sata connectors using a pcie to sata adapter ?

@@LtdJorge True. That single 3.0 lane is actually quite good bandwidth. I mentioned it being slow per port because they don't have to stop at 4 ports. An 8-port SATA controller could be used, but I think just 2 really fast ones or maybe 3 would be plenty.

@@neolordie: In theory you could have as many as you wanted, but you can't put more data through PCIe than it has bandwidth for. :)

@@jeschinstad oh didn't see the pcie 2.0 x1 lol, that's pretty bad

Me too, I am an Orange Pi boy.

Orange Pi 5 is a very nice little board!

the rockchips are very cool

Well,rockship is still better for android support.

@@JeffGeerling Little board? Love how you downplay it because you are sponsored by Raspi.

oh great now simple robots are putting the complex robots out of jobs now🤣🤣🤣

They really should just make the USB-C port fully functional with data and video (DP), and drop one or both micro-HDMI connectors, and maybe have a single full-size HDMI. Sure, the dongles are more expensive, but they're way more ubiquitous. Maybe a special CM5/Zero could come out with a single USB-C connection for some real minimalist projects.

@@khyoyeon554that’d be really awesome; a USB C monitor would be able to provide a single cable for everything (DisplayPort, a USB hub, audio, full power etc etc)

In your lifetime of course?? It's reaching the levels of the very first Pis now

​@@aaroncarsonomg I need that badly.

This is what I worried about as well, having used none of them so far. - It's just because the Raspberry Pi has become THE one in the kind of category of computers that it's so much more widely used and known, automatically increasing the support for it. - I almost decided to just bypass the RPi as "my first one" to a more powerful board, but then I didn't know if I would understand the lesser-known ones. Besides, I should have tried at least one RPi. Probably always useful for something.

preciseley the community makes the difference they do all the legwork they support it they adopt it its just a shame that for the pi 4 pi foundation decided to favour its industry partners wou would keep anything they do with it under nda and tight restrictions and contribute NOTHING back to the community

@@michaelmonstar4276 This very much depends on your use case. I feel a lot of people buy these micro PCs and they end up in the cupboard, own personal one certainly has. Unless you have a specific use case (GPIO etc)a normal computer / laptop or something like a intel NUC or gigbyte brix is often a better option.

True, but if all your using one for is low power basic home computer/TV streaming device, the rivals are fine for that.

Agreed! I’ll take well supported but not as performant any day. When you start hitting $130-$180 I start questioning the value vs. just running VMs on larger and way more performant hardware at that point.

That's the problem, the alternatives never will, I don't know why but they just don't seem interested. You would think that they would want to jump on that but I guess it costs a lot of money.

If you don't care about all the GPIO and PCIe externals, and 3rd-party gizmos, then other SBCs work just fine. I love my Khadas VIM4 and it has 8GB of RAM

That problem has existed since the beginning and still the same today. Its why i gave up & just repurpose old laptops or NUCS for my home projects.

@@redpillsatori3020yeah only 3times the raspberry price… 🤡

⁠​⁠@@MrGamelover23 I’d bet that’s largely a fixed cost too, and that the Raspberry Pi can spread it out over more units. The competition probably isn’t seeing a market for hobbyist SBC’s that split the difference and are neither the best supported (since they won’t match rPi overnight) nor the best performance value.

Id liked to ser a display or mini display port, even could be cheaper because licenses. Lenovo's thinkcenters have no HDMI and with display port is enough.

It would not only have been cool but saved users money and stopped a lot of e-waste from being created.

Yea, i mean, if they want it to be as small as possible, then why put USB-A instead of USB-C? And if they want the compatibility, then there really is no reason to use micro-hdmi... Its just such a strange setup...

These connectors are the absolute worst. Video out via USB-C is a thing, that would've been sooooo much better.

My guess is the weight of hdmi chords may have had a tendency to damage ports given the lightweight of the sbc. Choosing to go the micro hdmi may server as a breakway, cutting down the tendency of broke ports. However, that's just a guess. It's also easier to serve the part of the community that needs dual display options for projects dealing with a second screen given the size of full sized hdmi ports. Going with two full sized ports would cut into the sbc's real estate and it would either suffer space issues for other chips and circuitry and or heat issues

In my experience, this use case has never been reliable, due to a mixture of issues ranging from microSD card corruption, to dodgy UAS support for external boot drives, unreliable USB-ethernet adapter performance etc.

@@tomfahey2823 The PCI-E port on the board would let ya connect a 4x port NIC and then use the Pis internal Gigabit as the +1 though, no USB Ethernet adapters needed If Jeff can get 6Gb on a 10Gb NIC that should translate to full 1Gb on 5 ports at least somewhat

@@tbthegr81 Yes, but that's not really an upgrade on the Pi 4 Compute Module then, is it? And you still have the problem of unreliable storage media. This is why I was hoping for more PCIe lanes and/or NVMe, or at least eMMC support.

SBCs with a double port (for ingress and outgress) still are way better solutions usually. 8 port gigabit switch is a pittance these days, no reason to make it expensive in a specialised hat.

@@tomfahey2823 I've had extremely reliable Sata to USB operation and uptime. But did have to experiment a little with USB hubs as they would run for weeks then randomly crash requiring a reboot

Those are imaginary numbers, sometimes I wonder why do people even bother with these MSRP prices..

It should be 39$ for the top spec, the pi used to be cheap..

@@spamuman To give credit to the PI foundation, you are able to preorder the PI 5 at those prices right now at multiple different retailers. While I agree it probably wont stick around, I was able to bye a PI 4 about a month ago from Adafruit at MSRP

@@25566 the demand rose, so the price did because the people making them and selling them know dipshits will pay for it. If you won't someone else will

@@25566 I do feel like they're moving too far into the performance field, and are losing sight of people who just need a cheap and not neccesarily powerful computer. I use Pis for home assistant, and a pi 3 is capable of running Home Assistant easily. I do hope Pi 4 does not get discontinued for a good while.

same pi500 pleaseeeeeeeeeee. but with 8gb

I really don't think your use case is what they intended the Pi 400 for, but maybe you'll get lucky.

Let's hope that santa 🧑‍🎄 sends some elves over to raspberry before December... A raspberry pi 500 really would be a nice stocking filler.......

My little utility Pi 400 would love the upgrade!

That would pretty much be a Pi 5a+ which is something I would want

For 4 years I have been crying that the Pi4 didn't have VP9 decoding for RU-vid. And now 4 years later with the Pi5 they are still advertising H.265?! What am I supposed to do with that? Decode BluRay? Where is VP9/AV1? And a single lane of PCIe with a proprietary connector instead of 4xPCIe on m.2? Honestly after 4 years this upgrade (5A Power delivery, CPU upgrade, crypto extensions, experimental PCIe3, RTC) is nice but it's still a disappointment.

Most importantly you can buy those sbc-s while good luck finding raspberry pi.

Stay far away from AllWinner SOCs. In my experience, they heat up quite a bit and usually have bugs(looking at the H6 which had PCIE, but you couldn't access it. At least not with Armbian).

if the pi 4 had over heating issues and used less power then the pi5 what are the heat issues that the pi 5 must have due to that issue?🤔

Run it off solar and it's a total net positive!

@@JeffGeerling off a treadmill. RUN FASTER JACK, WE NEED MORE POWA!!!😂

Good lord, the Pi 1 is so obnoxiously slow looking back on it from the lens of today. The OG pi found it's most use for me as a VPN server before I had a comprehensive homelab.

dont waste your money on rpi or any sbc, get a secondhand mini pc's like hp or dells, its old but its still more powerful than these sbcs, plus the power consumption difference is negligible.

@@jongskie777what abort GPIO then?

@@mikkelkirketerp4884honestly, how many GPIO use cases do people use Pi’s for. Most of those can be solved with a far cheaper Arduino or similar.

@@mikkelkirketerp4884usb to gpio maybe?

They're like double the price of a Raspberry Pi 5 though

@@3nertia and 10 times the cpu power

If we are talking about intel's announced horse-creek, then why not. But anything based on x86-64, no thank you. This is like using a massive anchor as a door stopper. - PS: Somebody replied, i should reevalute by presenting shiny n100 wattage numbers. That person somehow forgot to mention, that the n100 typically needs a big heatsink and even active coolers to prevent down throttling. The greater heat output is inherent in x86-64 designs no matter what workarounds Intel's engineers tried for over a decade now. The x86-64 complex needs more transistors for an instruction compared to the arm or risc-v isa. And more transistors involved for one instruction inevitably means more power consumption. - Also that person somehow forgot, that intel tries to mitigate their isa disadvantage by producing their SoC chips at a smaller node than the pi and popular risc-v SoCs. In the case of the n100 the used lithography step is intel 7. The PI 5 gets produced at 16 nm and current RISC-V even bigger. So when you compare do it under fair conditions and don't hold back the facts.

@@paparansen Based on what?

@@aladdin8623 n100 consume 6w idle, 25w in use, I think you need to reevaluate.

Please try not sleeping more often!

​@@JeffGeerling lol 😂

@@JeffGeerling Is this working? I the Pi 6 launching in 3 minutes?

I don't think they fixed the polyfuse issue, as the pi becomes more powerful and costly, they should seriously consider putting some form of over-voltage protection.

Raspberry Pi said that they are keeping Pi 5s out of industry hands until the new year, so hopefully that means a little more supply for the rest of us

@@_Jayanky_ thanks for letting us know, great news. I managed to order one a few days ago but need to wait for December to get it delivered. :(

The rpi5 doesn't have a video encoder block. You have to use software encoding and pay a large power penalty.

According to the documentation, the RP1 does feature two ARM Cortex M3 cores - now the question becomes: is it user programmable? :) (datasheets.raspberrypi.com/rp1/rp1-peripherals.pdf page 5)

I think the lack of that is more to external suppliers than the foundation. A lot comes under NDA. As you point out the rp2040 really shines on documentation, but that thing is completely made in house. I expect to see a lot of documentation on the rp1 but I wouldn't expect much on the new Broadcom cpu. But I blame Broadcom for that. Even your comparison is too non official documentation which isn't a fair comparison

something that blew my mind while working as a contractor (on a Rockchip SoC) is that you can get them to make custom chip packages like stacked die, and getting a TRM *still* like pulling teeth. I don't even know if we managed to get one, had to reverse engineer register status bits for my driver until they sent screenshots from the 1000+ page TRM we weren't given.

​@@bzuidgeest ultimately, it's the pi foundation's choice of which soc to use -- theoretically, they could go with something like a TI Sitara AM69 (that's just a random choice of an SoC that's well documented publicly by comparison, I'm not suggesting that they should or shouldn't use that particular chip). At least _some_ of the rockchip parts have officially accessible TRMs (although I think they're incomplete from a cursory glance, which isn't necessarily unexpected), and as far as I understand the rockchip parts don't have a crucial coprocessor that controls the boot sequence and is almost(?) completely undocumented.

that said, I do expect and hope for great things from the RP-1 as far as documentation goes. I'm hoping they also sell it as a higher-end microcontroller

@@ShinyQuagsire ouch -- not even under NDA? That honestly sounds worse than a lot of the other cpu vendors -- I'd assume that most of them would view you as important enough to give a TRM if they view you as important enough to do custom packaging for

We'll see... definitely try to get in a pre-order if you can, some resellers are taking them already.

Compatible.

I will say exactly the same, also its not fair compare to Orange PI 5 its little expensive but offer M.2 Slot.

@@MiddleB0ssnot that different closest board

Orange Pi 5 Plus has full size HDMI AND USB-C with DisplayPort alt mode.