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I'd love to see you run OpenDash (Android Auto Dashboard). It is built on Qt5 and Raspberry pi OS. I think it would work on this new pi but I'd have to have one to test obviously. That's what I primarily have my pi4 (2gb and 4gb) doing (one in car and one on desk). Or even Open auto Pro would be fine but that one costs money if you don't already have a license.
I am personally quite excited to see that there is a power button now incorporated on the board. For those making DIY hand helds this will make incorporating one much easier on the board.
The CM4 already had PCIe 2.0 1x, so most projects that exist for it are now within reach of the new RP5. I'm looking forward to the CM5 as that should have an extra PCIe lane relative to this one, and 2x PCIe 2.0 isn't bad at all
@@pradeepmalar327 i hope that they can get it working on most devices, if the drivers are decent we might see some very nice high resolution performance
@@Williampentium133 Nah... Just tried to play Mario Tennis the other day, it's a slideshow mess no matter which settings you tweak. And don't even get me started on the known performance hogs like Golden Eye and Conker. -_-
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RPI burned so much of their userbase. They were unobtanium for so long, many folks stopped developing for them. Especially when other microcontrollers running MicroPython/CircuitPython have gotten more powerful -- yet still remain inexpensive and most importantly, AVAILABLE. If you need a full OS like the RPI offers -- well, for just a marginal amount more than the asking price (and a lot less than the scalper rate), you can build out a legit microformfactor PC that's many more times the processing power. For products like custom digital signage, that's not as appealing -- but for hobby home users? Yeah, RPI isn't even on the radar anymore. And now the machine is a little bit more expensive? They're not selling anyone on that.
For $60-$80 i dont understand why we are supposed to be impressed by doom 3 running at sub-60 on low-medium settings in 2023. The game is 20 years old now. Never quite understood the raspberry pi audience
Have had the same feeling the entire time I owned a PI 3 and PI Zero and Zero 2. It wasn't until I used a Zero 2 to run Pihole that I found any task a Pi could do well. It does that beautifully. My Pi 3 runs an ADSB decoder feed. It does that really well. But nothing else. For utility tasks, great. I am glad to finally use that bloody Pi 3 for any task at all.
The Pi isn’t meant to be used as a desktop computer or an emulation machine. A lot of people do use it for that because of price and support. However it’s meant to be used for projects with its IO capabilities, form factor and power requirements, although 25W is now departing the low power a power bank could reasonably supply.
Rpi5 what a surprise! A76 and a Vulkan 1.2 driver, what an awesome box this is going to be. My only hope was a standard size HDMI 2.1 port, but oh well can't have everything. Let's hope for good availability this time.
Doom 3 will be 1080/60 with time. This level of power will be insane with the Pi community behind it. Sure, more powerful SOCs are available, but without a community, good luck. Now, let the battle to get one at MSRP begin.
@@AaronHendu the phone u paid over $800 for? You need to go home, take a good nap and dream about a person with common sense. When u wake up, dare to believe u will become that person.
It's nice and a cool surprise, but I think certainly from an emulation POV, Raspberry Pi isn't really worth it anymore. You can pick up a way more capable second hand Mini PC around the same price with no need to purchase extras like a case etc that will outperform this no problem. I got a Ryzen 3 2200GE mini PC for £85 and it just does pretty much everything.
I agree. SBCs are cool and all, but for an emulation box used mini PCs are the way to go now. I favor the Thinkcentre Tiny and the HP and Dell equivalents. The tower and SFF units are good too for those that have the extra space. Those are what I recommend to people. Early this year, I saw the Thinkcentre Tiny with the fourth-generation i5 and 8GB selling for $40-45 with the power adapter which was a crazy deal. The Ryzen box you have will be far more capable, obviously and that sounds like a great price as well.
@@ravagingwolverine666 I have one of those too and use it all the time for emulation. Saturn, GameCube, PSP, no problem on an I5 4570t. For £50 it's a no-brainer vs a Pi.
Hey another ryzen mini pc person. I got a ryzen 5 2400g for about $114, man I've never seen such amazing performance on such a cheap device. The pi just seems like a rip off
I did not think we would see a pi 5 for some time after the supply problems a great surprise and at last a power button and an RTC I will be getting one when available
I have a great respect for Raspberry Foundation because they created an entire market of SBC boards, and their legacy is unquestionable, but has been a long time since they have released a board on par with the ones from other brands, specially Orange Pi. The RP5 seems to be the same case, comparing with the OP5 (more powerful and maybe cheaper).
The problem with Orange Pi is weak community support and documentation. Almost every uncommon bug or an issue you'll encounter you're pretty much on your own.
I have a OP5 here, the 16GB model. Doesn't have Wifi or BT, but at least have a NVMe slot. The whole SBC market evolved, but RF still lives in the past :(
@@PutlerHuyIo the biggest problem was Allwinner chips. Opi5 uses Rockchip which has much better Linux support (allwinner chips are designed with Android in mind and some of the functionality is exposed through open source projects like Lima graphic drivers or Cedrus video decoding). And as for "weak community support" - while not exactly official and only OrangePi centric there's great community centered around OS - Armbian - which is working on a few dozens of popular SBC boards and delivers pretty decent support. RK3588 is faster processor and obviously has few other strong points. And that's something which came out some time ago en masse and at fairly low price point. I'm sorry, I just don't see how RPi5 can be considered technological rival to Opi5/5plus. It's already outdated during pre-launch!
Nice but.. the Rock Pi 5A (Rk3588s Which maybe more powerful) managed to keep the Pi 4 layout & headphone socket, so i'd like to know why they had too change it here?
It has a header to attach one but really you were always better off with either a cheap USB DAC or an I2S DAC. They not only rearranged the camera and display connectors but they are now software switchable so you can connect 2 cameras or 2 displays or mix and match AND they are double the bandwidth of what the previous models have so they can handle higher resolutions so if you wanted to build a portable entertainment machine you will have a lot more options now. I think losing a lower quality audio/video output in exchange for higher quality video in and out is a pretty good tradeoff. That PCIe connector will also allow for things like SSDs being attached. This video also didn't mention that all 4 USB ports now have separate controllers so the bandwidth isn't shared between any of them AND the ethernet is on a separate controller meaning networking is faster now.
It has a crap ton more I/O than the 4 does, pads are still there if you want to solder your own analog connector, but the better I/O was a higher priority and ultimately a better value
Re Geekbench 5: As a point of reference, a curve optimized Ryzen 5900X (~4.8-4.9Ghz) scores around 1720 in single core. Interpolating that down to 2.4Ghz (same as RPi5) yields 860 points. So per-MHz performance of the Pi5 is 100*612/860 = 71.16%. 3900X (4.45-4.6Ghz) is 1200~1300 points, so IPC wise the Pi5 is roughly on this level. Things are definitely starting to get decent, although I can't wait for the first A78 SBCs. Also, that TSMC 16nm process is rather similar to what was used in GeForce 1000 (Pascal) series, which makes me curious about overclocking headroom.
this is a surprising release for all the news I constantly look up to says there wont be RPi 5 until 2024. with this the RPI is I think finally strong enough for everyday light task computing desktop. gona miss the 3.5 jack tho..
i will be watching leepsvideo and explaining computers pi 5 reviews right away, thanks for yours, i have five pi 4 8gbs that i will need to replace, dang, but good news for future, thanks for taking the time to share
Can you test video encoded with AV1? I’m curious if the cpu is fast enough to software decode at various resolutions; especially if the gpu doesn’t have a hardware AV1 decoder.
With this SoC board pi5 has brought the true desktop experience to the table . I think , with this much of performance , this board will easily replace a 6 years old intel i3 PC easily . Great job by Raspberry foundation 👍🏽
Thanks for the introductory video. I know you mentioned this, but would love to see the PS2 testing. Also I use an SSD with an Argon case with a couple of Raspberry Pi 4's. Would like to see some SSD testing, although that may be too soon as I imagine a lot of solutions with be forthcoming with PCIE instead of USB 3.
Of course you also got it ahead of launch. What I like the most is the fact that RPi 5 will have good cooling right out of the box, compared to RPi 4 at launch. The RTC battery is also a nice addition, besides faster storage, the power button and the PCIe port.
Amazing video 👌👍 I'm going with x86 now with Beelink S12 mini pro with intel n100 processor. 👍 I think it will be a better spend for my requirements than the Pi 5.
@@konsolowygracz with the current price it makes no sense but I think that's due to the fact N200 is just not common yet. It should be for sub $200 system. Like the N6000 etc. Will see....
@@iokwong1871 yeah there are only router/firewall type devices with n200 currently. But the n100 is much common. I'm just confused in between Chwui Larkbox X and Beelink S12 mini pro (both of them have n100 but one has ddr5 12gb and other ddr4 16gb respectively.)
@@vinsan98 for whatever reason, that seems to be the case. I have my eyes on a educational laptop for a long time, which I can't get one nearly a year after its announce. LOL it's precious version is only $160. But Linux runs beautifully on it. The new version come with 8GB of DDR5, which is a much have on the N200. (Significantly better, compared to DDR4.)
Just buy a better brand, idk any other board. But for me personally an Orange Pi 5 with 8 cores, double the ram, dual stacked, nvme built in, for around the same price is kinda better. OR get the 8GB ram for cheaper, or get the 5B and skip the whole NVME business since both it's emmc and the nvme is equally fast, and atleast it's not an SD card for the fifth damn time, with a QUAD CORE, Why always a crappy quad core. Why not a hexxa core. Hell the Orange pi 4 had the RK3399 which had a hexa core. And it also has nvme access.The Opi3B is cheaper with the same specs but it too has emmc, nvme, and if you get the 256 emmc with it guess what? it's still less than a pi 4B and wow it's ALWAYS available. Check out their Zero2W and Zero 3 and tell me you';d rather buy a Rpi Zero 2W cause then it just confirms that the apple cult isn;t exclusive to apple, This entire reveal is a huge dissapointment. Innovation should've happened, or atleast CATCHING UP. But instead they made the Rpi4C and called it the 5.
It's a huge step forward but I think it should have been bigger. Considering how fast everything changes how fast the requirements grow it's only adequate but not so future proof. Still good to see improvement and curious about what the community do with it.
For 2023 and going into 2024, I just don't see this product appealing to as many people in the same way that the Pi 3 and Pi 4 captivated it's customers back over the last handful of years. I'm happy to see a new Pi 5 but this is not something I would be interested in.
@@all.day.day-dreamerIt was never meant to be powerful enough to be your new personal computer for less than 50 bucks, it was always meant as a tinker toy.
It's hard to even want to upgrade at the moment because it's faster... but not really enabling anything new. If the gpu was like 4-5X better or dropped Broadcom for better support I'd be happier to replace all my 4s
It's really not in the remit of them to be this way. They've never made any target to catch up with current tech or fulfil that part of the market. These remain a target to be AFFORDABLE tinker toys to get into coding. And that's what this is.
I'm quite curious about the idea of a Batocera setup on a Raspberry Pi 5, but I have my doubts about whether it can really handle PS2 emulation effectively.
Agreed, I bought a Pi 4 for retro game emulation, and I'll be looking into a gaming PC for a later era emulation, I just don't trust these small devices to be capable just yet. I think I read last night that Pi is a step below a mini computer, and I'm seeing that there are some issues those, so...
LOL! He did, and it's not the first time.🤣 He's been mispronouncing it for years! People even pointed it out then. So clearly he's not reading any comments, or he's doing it just to troll us.
Why would you want to run the 2.4 ghz 16nm at 1.5 or 1.8Ghz as yeah it runs slower. What you should do is set the clock so it provides the same wattage whatever that is with the new SoC and then bench.
Waiting for October to see what sort of availability for this board happens on the release date glad Jeff and professor Barnett both have released their own videos on the new pi 5
I still wanna do that Gamecube Sleeper you build a while ago. Now with the Pi 5 around the corner, I can actually skip on the NUC and probably use this one instead, 3D print the backcover for the ports and save on space inside. Really excited but also do I have still plans for using it as a desktop replacement when not playing games. Hopefully supplies will not be as limited as with the Pi 4 throughout its lifespan.
It looks great on paper and finally just fast enough to be a basic desktop replacement, but as always the Pis are unobtainable unless you want to pay a huge premium from scalpers and importers that want to make a quick profit.
It may be better with pi5 since more than likely the pi foundation knew they would be producing the new board and ramped down produ8of the 4 in favor of the 5...but we will see.
It's only unobtainable right now because it's pre-order only. It's not due to ship to anyone (except hand picked previewers like ETA, Jeff Geerling and Explaining Computers) until end of October.
Would be interested in comparison with passive intel chips. You can get N100 motherboard for about 100€ so I guess the price would be similar in the end.
Well, aethersx2 would have been great but time will tell. Curious to see a direct comparison with the orange pi 5 in terms of performance/watt. Think it is a bummer that there is no m.2, but it is always a trade off when you look at different models Edit: Jeff already did 😅
He didn't test PS2 because it can't run it. When the price inflates like always, a used rooted phone will be the better choice like always. You can find a galaxy s10e for $90 and it is 30% faster than the pi 5 without any overclocks, it just has slower memory. People have been using them for years already. PI is a ripoff after the price inflates unless you risk aliexpress
@@Vicstruction I got it that ps2 does not work now, hence me saying "time will tell" expecting we will see lineage OS soon enough ;) Reason I don't want to go with a reasonably priced phone is simply that I scored 2 amoled screens, 5" 16:10 with touch and would like to build a 3ds style handheld for and by myself. They work great with an RK3399 , but that is not powerful enough to run aethersx2 either and is also a bit larger than a raspi layout... orange pi 5 is the most reasonable I can think of right now as the available compute models are priced way too high (eg the firefly core), but if it works with a raspi 5 good enough for the few games I want to have on the go, and a possible compute model will come out I'd take that rather than anything else. Even an overclocked k400 runs a few, so let's see 🙂
I am super curious to see how well the Pi 5 is going to fare when it comes to emulation, so I hope to see a ton of testing in that area. Will also be looking forward to see how well Android can run on this.
Well considering the Orange pi 5 has those same 4 cores, as well as 4 more cores that are identical to the 4B, twice the ram and isn't single channel, and oh it's cheaper too. I'd say it's OK, but there's always better, for less. Rpi's are crap. They're Flashy cult cards. If they kept their values of affordable computers for the masses and not "Let;s milk this pi 4b thing for years" I'd show some respect but Orange Pi literally shows them up every month with a new better version of everything they make. They make it cheaper. Better specs, lot's of software support, and more storage with a F-ing hat. Orange Pi 5 doesn't need hat to have NVME drive, Orange pi 3B (4B competitor) has emmc that's like 15$ for 256GB included, as well as an nvme slot. The Zero2W by Orange has 4GB DDR4 with quad 1.5 for 32$ CAD. or 18$ cad for the 1GB, and 1.5 and 2GB versions as well, with an expansion board that's like 6-7$ to add in. The 3B is currently half the price of the 4B, and when adding in the 256GB emmc it's still cheaper. Infact I'd hazard you could get a 3B with a 256 nvme, a 256 emmc, a case, all the hooks ups, for less. I wanted this stupid Rpi to innovate so others are forced to, this isn't the Raspberry pi 5. It's the Raspberry pi 4C.
That is a funny question to ask a tech enthusiast: I spent about 3 days working on the overclocks on my new gaming pc. Did the extra 100mhz matter for game performance? Not really, but you do it for the love of the game. Also in some cases like video playback it might just be enough to stop dropped frames.@@uhohwhy
I have a gaming pc, but having it running just to watch youtube/social media/guides is overkill. If you consider that a 100 dollar phone can manage this i think the Pi5 should manage fine as well. Quite a few people have liked the idea of using a lightweight distro and windowmanager so you can use the Pi as a desktop replacement. EDIT: Since the gaming pc will draw way more power then the Pi 5, even when doing just light tasks. @@Spherix441
Been waiting for the Pi5 for like... fo-evah!! A bit disappointed with GOW running with dropped frames for PSP no less, meaning it wont run very well on PS2 but I'm hoping I'm wrong should time and effort be given to allow a PS2 emulator to be able to take advantage of the hardware. Great review, looking forward to seeing Game Cube and PS2 running on this.
I wonder what their positioning is.. they should've had a better pcie lane exposed with more bandwidth, it would've made possible more NAS/homserver usecases.. Relying on USB is just bad
You can modify the config to set the version to 3.0. Still only one lane, but double the bandwidth if you're ok running it without the certification. Should be enough to run a half decent raid, though you'd still have to deal with network and CPU bottlenecks more than likely
I just think that "powerful" Rasberry Pi's make less and less sense these days, especially as emulation/media consumption devices. They cost the same as a used core i5 or i7 HP Elitedesk. So really, if you don't need the GPIO for "maker"-stuff, there are so many options that are much more scalable than the Pi. Main benefit to those machines are that they can be upgraded. adding more memory, more storage, a GPU etc. (depending on model of course). I could honestly do SO much more on a HP Elitedesk than I Pi. I could setup a cloud server, with cloud storage and online services, I can create a web server, host my own DNS server, automated backups etc. Since there is so much power underneath the hood, you can do so many things... So really, if you are not doing the maker things, or you specifically need a low power draw... it just doesn't make sense.
@@MrDavidRicketts i did the same reasoning i'd do with a phone. All that ram wouldn't be fully used by this processor, it's a cost you would be adding to a machine which is pretty cheap for what it can do. And 8 GB isn't small for this
It's quite interesting, that those Geekbench 5 results are roughly in later Core 2 Duo ballparks 😉 This is what we have here and it's worth to remember what kind of performance we have here. Roughly ~10-15 years before the desktop top-end.
It's a step up from the Pi 4, but it changes and axes a few too many things for my liking while seemingly not being that competitive and I'm overall rather doubtful this will find the place it wants. Emulation folks will have likely found something better, and this might alienate some of the maker community because of the higher base price and power requirements. I guess we'll just have to see, though.
I agree. The reason the RPi became a popular emulation device (and just popular in general) was how cheap and available it was... now with so many better options and RPi's prices going up and availability going down I just am not too sure where this will land besides the RPi enthusiasts.
Yeah there are too many other options that are far superior, especially for emulation. I just don’t see the point. It is just too expensive and the axing of the headphone jack is an issue for my use cases. There are just too many options.
The av jack will be missed for sure. But what I'd personally like to see from that board at this point is a VR kit built on it. I mean, it already got four 4k60 video out options, two of them being ribbon cables only makes things use even less space. It's time for homemade VR stuff.
I've been thinking of diy google for several years. Theres so many screens available on Ali and 5GhzAC networking can support VR. The wifi7 will also support high end VR.
Agreed on missing that jack. Now I would have to sacrifice another port for it to be a drop in replacement. Though considering this will likely just be unobtanium part 2 it's probably best to look for something else anyway. Thankfully there are lots of choices out there these days.
you can still get composite video out of the PI 5, as it has a pinheader for composite video, and thee are several audio options also (beyond just using HDMI audio)
I think the Pi 5 is going to be a dead on arrival product for a lot of people, especially for emulation. Over on the Chinese web sites, I'm seeing a lot of mini PC's really dropping down in price and this is with 16gb DDR4/5 and 500GB/1TB drives. I just picked up a AMD 5800H fully decked out of $225 shipped. Yes it's more expensive but not by much and you can do so much more. I've always been a Pi 3 and Pi 4 fan, I have 4 or 5. But, the Pi 5 at it's price point and poor GPU performance is not something I would consider. But, fond memories and I think for something, it might be a good fit for them. Dropping frames @ 1080p tho? That's a deal breaker for sure.
Even considering things like the Steam Deck, which is ‘only’ 3-4x the price - but for that you get the controls, the screen, portability etc. It’s like they’re adding features to make it more appealing for the gaming/emulation enthusiasts, but it’s not quite good enough for it, whilst needing more power and presumably generating more heat which makes it less useful for the tinkerers.
@@Bootlickerkicker Naa. RPi5 is extremely overpowered for many tasks that a Zero or Pico can do, but seriously under powered for many other tasks. This should have had greater performance and then released a Zero 3 for smaller sizes and lower powered tasks.
@@AFourEyedGeek I agree, the Pi 5, the stats, make a lot less sense in 2023/24. I just don't see it being as wildly popular as with past models. Hopefully I am wrong but my gut feeling is usually right.
@@Bootlickerkickerright, but you’re missing my point. They’re making massive improvements in running speed and graphics, but at the detriment of cost and efficiency - and in doing so are continuing down a path of making less efficient devices, but which still aren’t anywhere near perfect for the ‘new’ uses. Want a mini SBC for projects? Neat, but now you have one that is probably overpowered for what you need and is not all that efficient. Want to tinker and make an arcade emulator or something? Ok here’s more power, but it’s easy to get something far more capable for a little bit more. I use a Pi 4 for Pihole, DHCP, WireGuard VPN and tinkering - so I’m not anti pi by any means.
I tried to daily drive the Pi4 as my web machine for about a week, but smooth 4K60hz output is a necessity for me and the Pi4 just does not cut it. Can't wait to test run the Pi5.
Direct performance at a set wattage would be a good test. idle power needs to be mentioned as well. I'd like to know how many of my pi4 headless programs I can consolidate without losing a ton of performance
This looks really promising. Definitely a great get for now. I'm personally waiting for a competitor with Intel's Twin Lake cores (Likely Crestmont based Alder Lake-N successor). That thing will be extremely efficient and very capable. Fingers crossed we'll see it by Spring or even Summer time.
Horrible. Adds no new features, still stuck in 2010. Purely incremental performance increase. Another generation of the RPi where you're better off looking at other SBCs.
I think the Rockchip offering will be better especially since the 4 didn't seem as hacker friendly. Also, unlike Pi, RK libraries tend to be more consistent each iteration, where I think the 4 was too much of a departure from 3 that it made it harder for people to do what they wanted with it, aka HOME ARCADE MACHINES. Took like a year and a half for 4 to get Batocera.
@@gzaos the fact the swapped the lan port seems kinda suspect, you can’t use a previous case now, have to buy a new one. There getting away from the whole point of buying these raspberry pi’s. Gotta look for alternative if anything.
No audio jack, needlessly reconfigured ports, disturbingly high 25W power supply requirement, PCIe *2.0* at 1x (what is even the point of that versus USB 3?), disappointingly weak GPU, high base price, but a good bump in CPU. Honestly, the competitors to the Pi are starting to look better all the time, especially now that Raspberry seems to have totally given up on even trying to make these affordable anymore.
honestly , I am not ready to jump back into the PI'S I loved playing with them before. I have 2 PI 3B+, pi zero w, and PI zero 2 w. After PI droped us. (home market) I was forced into MINI PC,s. A mini HP is around $125 and has much more power. The Powkiddy x55 is a great hand held for $100 In short , I guess I fill a little butt hurt with Raspberry PI
To be fair here: I dont know many people who used the onboard audio of the Pi. Most people who used the Pi for audio, got an extension card with MUCH better DACs. or dongles.
True, but I guess you could still use a cheap adapter for it. Thats the upside of a Pi. You get a good amount of USB ports and you could even add another few.@@NinjaRunningWild
