For only 2.5k subs, this was an incredibly informative video. Looking into changing configurable tdp options for an hp spectre here because it does a similar thing as the razer blade stealth, but after 9 minutes it drops back down to 20 watts on a 9750h, which is a ridiculous drop, everything considered.
I've got the new RBS late 2019 with the GTX1650. This sees sustained power limiting to 15W. Disabling the GTX1650 within device manager allows the chip to run at 25W. Synapse has 3 options, Battery, Balanced and Gaming. Gaming allows boost up to about 45W for a few seconds then tops out at 15w. Temps at 15w only about 65c.
I just ordered this machine and what to use it with EGPU, therefore I want to get as much as possible out of the 1065g7. I only really need the 1650 when traveling. Is disabling the 1650 and running in gaming mode the only things needed for it to run at 25w? What boost clocks are you able to reach?
Enable CPU VR settings in the BIOS and try and set the following. Advanced/CPU VR Settings/Core IA VR settings/ IMON Slope = 50 IMON Offset = 31999 IMON Prefix = - This works on my Eurocom laptop to lie to the laptop about the CPU power consumption and allow for full turbo boost without the laptop power throttling down. Power readings are going to be wrong, but it will allows me to run unlimited. Although I would be careful about temps as it looks like your laptop was throttling due to power, but the temps were skyrocketing anyways. Also your mileage may vary since you have a Razer laptop but the BIOS looks the similar.
Thanks for the nice video. I made a custom BIOS from the information you posted in the overview section. As a result, I was able to avoid PL1 by making the system misinterpret the actual TDP. I was able to set my Blade Stealth i7 8565U above 4GHz on all cores and got Cinebench R15 880cb at the limit of cooling.
Had my RBS for less then a day. Returned it once I found that the CPU clock drops to shit on battery power. As far as I've searched no review or any documentation says this...wtf. huge deal breaker.
This is very great and educating!! Please post contents with firmware and hardware related hacks and any computer science like this topics! I really love this, u got my sub
I'm glad to have found this video! Subscribed. A little too late unfortunately, but at least now I know I'm not crazy. I went down so many roads with this laptop trying to figure out why it occasionally failed to perform for no good reason. (and I'm on the late 2019 model with the gtx 1650!... same story!)
Great video that BIOS mod was insane! Bit of a long shot question but do you know if there are any similar bios hacks for the late 2020 Razer Blade Stealth with 1165g7, 1650Ti and 120hz display? From what I've read the bios' on late 2020 models are locked unlike earlier models meaning only a hardware programmer would work. Until I find a solution I will try to use throttlestop even though the cpu is already more than powerful enough for me.
The biggest problem with Razer is they're scared to let the 13" stealth be as powerful as it could be, or already is. The power throttling will be to meet some ridiculously self-prescribed target set by Razer that keeps it "an UltraBook". Fact is it's probably power throttled because there's nothing else to let it's performance down, so it's kept locked out of it's real ability so they don't hinder the sales of their 15" laptops. Unfortunately, every company ends up with this problem. They have so many niche products on the market that they're biggest competition is likely to be themselves in the end. Razer have made the 13" so good, it makes people question why they'd bother wth the 15" - which costs Razer money, even though they're still getting your sale. Apple have had this problem for years with their MBA and MBP updates. The Air periodically gets refreshed ahead of the Pro series, usually with a good 6 month lead. For people that are looking for a new MacBook, they buy the Air because it meets their needs and offers better value for money. When the Pro's get updated, they then compare the saving of $1000 to it. The new MBA's with the M1 chip are way better value for money, considering the MBP's use the exact same chip now too, and cooling isn't a problem with Apple's CPUs. Why would you spend more?
First of all, these tools were very hard to find and I had to try atleast 5 versions of afuwingui before it doesn’t say my system is unsupported. ( a later version of this video works with windows 11 for me ). The problem is that once I flash the rom I have an error telling me that the ID or something is unrecognized. Apparently it won’t work because it’s unsigned code while it worked for you. My laptop is a rather stealth on 10TH gen. I also tried to do it with Efi Shell and couldn’t flash the bio too cause the ID of my bios aren’t recognized or something ( error 46 ) I even followed a tutorial to unlock the CPU using the Ru Efi editor and it did nothing. But I guess my solution would be somewhere in these this Editor I just don’t know which values to disable in it and I’m not sure if this works Is there any way to go past 15W in the stealth model 2020 in 2023 ? Or is it just impossible Thank you
"How are you? I need help! Since the launch, I have owned a Razer Blade Stealth 13 i7 1067 with a GTX 1650, and I have many performance issues! I saw in a forum that you solved the problem using a modified BIOS! Where could I find it? The link in your video is no longer available! If you can help me, I will be eternally grateful!"
Can you actually maintain 25w TDP on the cpu when doing combined load? Or it will still throttle down to 15w? Is it gotta throttle down to 15w when combined with EGPU?
You have missed the cause. The real reason for these forced throttling is Intel's Dynamic Platform and Thermal Framework. It enforces throttling regardless of CPU temperature but base on MOSFET temperature for CPU power supply. Usually the throttle starts around 90C but even without it, these MOS won't exceed 95C with proper cooling (I think Razer does used vapor chamber to cover those MOS) and is safe. The best way to do it is uninstall all DPTF components from Device Manager, and before doing that, make sure the hardware IDs of these components are blocked in Group Policy so that they will not be reinstalled. I've been doing this for my XPS 15 for a really long time and it works superbly.
I've already done exactly that. If you Google "disable dptf" the first card that comes up is my article. Thanks for giving my video some thought though
Hi Brad, thank you SO MUCH for this video - I've got the Kaby Lake refresh (i7-8550U) Razer Blade Stealth and seriously needed a way to deal with temps and throttling while gaming (using the Razer Core v2). In your estimation, what might be some best settings for my 8th gen CPU when thinking about turning on any *hidden* settings in Razer's bios for my own machine?
Also, now that Notebook Check has shut down and the forums are gone (along with the two decades of data in them!) - and your link to the discovery of a new BIOS trick doesn't work - are you able to fill me in on what that new development was by chance? Thank you very much if so :)
Preach brother. This is a major f'ing problem. You should call it what it is: a slow laptop because by design, it can't deliver the performance users were promised. And it's not just a Razer blade problem. It's with almost every thin and light gaming/performance laptops out there. So frustrating
razer just released an update to synapse that unlocks a new power profile called "creator". promises to reduce throttling in some causes. I have tested it out playing sub nautica and i have not seen the throttling from throttlestop so far.
Same result as what you had in the video unfortunately, throttles almost immediately when the processors hit 100%. Locked at temps of 68 -71 degress and 25 W package consumption.
My Razer blade stealth 13 throttles when I play Minecraft. Simply Minecraft, when it's on charger. Any help? I don't want to limit my fps, I feel like Minecraft should make it overheat
Thanks for this video! I have an XPS 15 9570. And after struggling with power/thermo throttling I started to thinking that maybe Razer is building good laptops... Also, I've checked forums/youtube for HP, Apple, etc. And now I see that the whole industry is screwed up. They all have same problem - thermo trottling :/
I'm confused. Isn't 25W the upper limit, OEM-configurable TDP of the i7-8565u? I'm not ++knowledge about this sort of stuff, so it's a genuine question!
The "TDP" that is configured is not really relevant. The CPU is normally allowed to turbo beyond that. My MateBook X Pro's 8550U can boost to 35W and stay there.
Did you try disabling or even completely removing the Intel DPTF. Atleast with my xps 15 9560 and Asus zenbook ux430 it is the factor that controls the PL1 even after overriding from TS or XTU. Once it is removed the PL1 limits works as expected.
I have a onda branded cheap ass 7y30 tablet that had totally unlocked aptio uefi out of the box. I had to disable dptf so it would accept 20w/20w pl1 pl2 (at the same place you had yours changed)
I still have this laptop in 2020.. but i am utilizing all cores to up to 3.5 to 4.0 while playing warzone with a razercore gpu attach gtx 2080 super. But i am still seeing insane thermal issue so im planning to get a thermal paste and pads to add into it. Let see what happens. I havent done any tweeking in bios or undervoltimg but i just keep everything updated maybe razer update it on synapse.
Did you ever find a fix since you posted this video? I am getting decent clock speed when plugged in. It starts power limit throttling like crazy when it's running unplugged, on battery. Let me know!
Slightly off topic but i saw in the bios settings that the c states are limited to c1 and c3, i was hoping to unlock the higher c states for better battery, any suggests if that is a good idea?
It would be really cool to see you have a go with the xps 13 2019 (9380). I just got one and looking to change icc and power limits - just cautious as I havent played with this before and dunno if its cool just to max it like you did here. I already undervolted and using speedshift.
So I'm using the early 2019 MX150 Razer Blade Stealth and I'm not entirely sure if the issues I'm facing are the same as yours here. I experience battery discharging while gaming (potentially because I"m using the included 65W power adapter instead of a 100W one), and together with that, what seems like thermal throttling even though my temperatures seem fine. From this information, what would you suggest I try?
@@BradsHacks I've been monitoring my laptop via XTU, and the issues I'm seeing is mainly **power limit throttling** almost constantly, especially when under load (even light games, or stress test). I've tried undervolting a bit but that hasn't done much to fix anything. Temperatures are fine and even when battery is full/near full, I"m getting the power throttling and can't seem to fix it. I'm also getting current/EDP throttling but I'm not sure what that is.
@@BradsHacks Yeah I've looked at this post as per your description. I am willing to try these steps if I absolutely have to, but I'm gonig to try the 100W charger first. Can I clarify what stat I should be looking at in XTU etc. to idenitfy if my laptop is suffering from this particular issue - is it "Package TDP" with its wattage indicator? Is there a number I"m trying to look for?
Thanks for investigating all of this. I'm getting EDP limit even at no CPU load when on battery and wonder how I can disable this shit, because the super portable Blade doesn't allow itself to be portable and limits i7-11800H to around 1.6GHz which makes it potato when unplugged.
@@Alex-ch2ud well I wouldn't mind to completely switch off Nvidia and powersave Intel GPU, but how is that CPU couldn't even take 45W when operating on a battery, you need this for surfing or watching movies on web at sofa
The recent software update allows you to set the wattage upper limit much higher. Don't get me wrong, this is a great video, but I honestly prefer the 25W power lock to save that sweet battery.
The only issue with my stealth mx150 is when i use battery power i noticed that sound is crackling specially when trying to play games, sometimes just playing video or song would crackle sound when on battery power. Once i plug in the charger issue goes away.
I am trying to figure out if the power is the problm on my 17 inch late 2019. Max spec. Drops framrste by a 3rd once it warms up... should I send it back?
I think is the battery man. Buy a new battery is either the battery or the charger. I already put new thermal paste. But it didn't change my suspicion is that is the battery. Going to buy new battery.
Solution can be found here: forum.notebookreview.com/threads/blade-stealth-late-2019.830275/ and here forum.notebookreview.com/threads/take-full-control-of-your-razer-blade-w-no-pl-throttling.827919/page-23
Great videos, not sure how I missed these for so long. I know intel lets companies configure these CPUs up to 25w from the rated 15w TDP. Could it be intel frowns upon companies running these over 25w sustained? Maybe razer would like to do that but does not want to go against intel.
As far as I know, Intel only provides guidelines for what the PL1 and PL2 could be. The thing here is that Razer chose to implement the PL differently than everybody else.
@@BradsHacks That makes sense as well, I know for desktops motherboard makers have been blowing TDP numbers out of the water for years now and ppl are just starting to notice. Maybe with laptops intel is more strict since battery life and heat are so much more of an issue/marketing point.
Oh wow. The website I got it from seems to be taken down. (It was a BIOS modding tutorial for an Asus Z370 board.) May have something to do with the non-disclosure nature of the software. I've uploaded it here. Shhh keep it on the down low. 1drv.ms/u/s!AmKYRCVlOpOGis1uw_CjASK9YYru6A
dude unpopular opinion but if i put it to battery saver when the night shift is on ..it actually works faster...as strange as it sounds...try it on the stealth
Amazing video actually, I also am currently doing lot's of research on the Razer blade, i just bought a 2020 15 inch version with an RTX 2070 Super Max Q, and im having Power throttle issues, my CPU and GPU temps stay at a cool steady rate of 65%-55%C, However when i game for more than 3-4 hours the computer starts to over heat, and i gotta keep plugging in the Laptop every dammn hour to crank up the fans through razer synaps because i cant even manually control the (Fan speed, Temp or Power Percentage) with this model either. Used (MsiAB), to keep a steady Gameplay for a few hours. and also tried tweaking the wattage percentage on (IntelET) on the other hand tweaking the core clock and memory clock, again on (MsiAB) however my fps starts to drop around 25% when the laptop starts to warm up, I also tried coding the files to unlock the Core voltage. it was a success, however i dont even want to mess with it in fear of the laptop exploding under heavy load because of its Power watt throttle issues, i managed to overclock my Gpu a bit around 5% using (Asus Gpu Tweak II) however im afraid to moggle even further with the settings cause i dont want to turn it into an actual Bread baking machine. Hopefully this Bios Mod you are Suggesting at my own risk could greatly aid in performance, for wattage improvement. I am not sure if the 2019 Stealth has less or the same features than the newer models However.. but wish me luck. haha '(._. )/"
@@Alex-ch2ud Yes I did it with my 2020 base model as well. I couldn't change RAM clocks, but I could adjust my IMON Slope/Offset so that my CPU clock speed is completely free from throttling. the price to pay was higher temperature due to higher power input, but I did apply liquid metal paste to help out. I did use the ru.efi thing as well :)
@@dukeyin1111 Oh nice! if you don't mind me asking how did you do the IMON slope mod? NBR is closed so I'm having a hard time figuring it out, I also use LM TIM on my CPU : )
@@Alex-ch2ud There is a way to do it without a CH341a programmer.. I don't think I can write a full guide in a timely manner on RU-vid comments. However, based on your previous reply, I think you know what you are doing. So I will leave a brief step guide: !!!!!!!!!! Everything written here I take no responsibility; Might brick your laptop; do it with your responsibility!!!!!!!!!! 1) Unlock BIOS lock, FPRR using ru.efi (changing 01 to 00). It is under PchSetup after you press Alt + = in ru.efi 2) Find your Correct version of CSME system tools and download the correct version of FPTW64.exe. Mismatching versions will not work! 3) use the FPTW64.exe to dump your BIOS (will be in .bin format, not .rom form. In particular, Afuwin did not work for 2020 or newer models. Use FPTW64 instead for dump and flashing) 4) Modify with AMIBCP, unlock CPU VR settings (+ all IMON related stuff as well) from Default to USER 5) Save the bios 6) Flash with FPTW64.exe and reboot It will take some "computer skills" to download and use all the tools (with correct version to your laptop) mentioned above. But the result will be amazing without throttling! You'll not be able to unlock many overclocking functions (like RAM overclock), but luckily IMON setting works. You can set IMON slope to 50, and offset to -31999. - sign is very important. And your throttling will be gone. Alternative method: buy a CH341a programmer and flashing the modded BIOS with it. Probably this way is easier. But I was hesitant that a lot of them comes with 5V, not 3.3V. There is a small chance that you could fry your BIOS chip.
MORE OF THIS CONTENT!!!!!!!! Very agree with your view of comparing hardware at its maximum, hardware and software modded to the brink. ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOUR CONTENT! PLLLLLLLSSSSSS MOAR!!!!! Currently trying to swtich all lights at my XPS 13 9370 to red (eyes hurt with white LED) after the basic mods like thermalpaste switch and ThrottleStop finetuning. Once you hit the sweet spots of perfect balance between heat, noise and perfomance in AC mode and batterylife while just enough performance when needed its just pure bliss. How much difference did applying thermal pads in your mods make to temps? Thinking of doing it to my XPS but it actually would block parts of the air intake. Hm..
my new one you can go into the razor blade synapse and go to custom and set it all to high ... at that point mine will only power limit at 80 degrees ...
