LTT has a video where they use a slow motion camera to observe the differences in micro stutters between 1k and 8k on a 360hz monitor. Which I think is better than drawing lines on a page.
imma wait for the viper mini ultimate 8k. When i think about polling rate i imagine the pc and mouse screaming at each other. like "HEY MOUSE!! YOU MOVING?!?! NO?? OK!!" 8000 times a second.
i hope the battery life gonna improve, i dont own a wireless mice but i know people who have one sets at 125hz to have the battery life not to drain quickly since 1000hz drains quickly.
Great video. The explanation and graphs make this super easy to understand. It’s been said “if you can’t explain something to an 8 year old, you don’t truly understand it yourself”. These guys obviously know what they are doing. 👍🏻
Just got this mouse, heres how I feel about it so far: Im coming from a bigger mouse, so this feels a little small to me. It works amazing though, I love how customizable it is.
I’d prefer wireless more than a freaking high DPI and/or polling rate, so I’ve bought Viper Ultimate (with charging dock) during the most recent Black Friday
@@baldino9165 Agreed I still have a wired but when I upgrade it will be wireless since that's the only thing I really care about Wired has just have me too many movements where I feel like I'm having to pull my mouse whilst someone else is holding it. Even when it's not tugging I can feel the weight towards the front
The thing with higher Hz's monitors is they tend to be smoother visually and it might be that the higher polling mice might more smoother than lower polling mice.
This is a game-changer one of those things you have to see it in person like I refresh monitors even with g-sync the clarity and smoothness unreal. In going from 140 + FPS you see the difference the problem is we've been limited to 1000 polling. I play on a 240Hz g-sync ultimate 3080 I've gone through so many different gaming mice currently using a glorious D-
Even at 60 fps 1k polling rate was like the minimum one where you start not being able to discern differences between anything higher. At 240 Hz you would need 4k mouse for same experience.
Same here i will also play on 1000 hz .... the reason am buying it its upgraded focus + sensor and mice feets..... moreover it is still better choice over other wired mices and with a future support ???
Someone should make a video where 2 gamers who aren’t experienced get absolutely different rigs. One is 320Hz monitor, maxed out GPU/CPU. With 8K mouse. Other is 60Hz, 1080GPU/CPU equal. With Razer Viper V1. Have them play against each other same game but also switch rigs after. Also have them compete in single player games that require good response and such. It would be a good test in seeing how big a difference hardware makes.
Seeing as you need really high monitor refresh rate and fps to not bottleneck the 8khz polling rate and get a bigger performance impact on your CPU, I can see myself only using it at 2k or 4k where it should be more of a reasonable upgrade, which is a nice thing to have. I think the optical buttons will make the bigger difference. I went full optical already across mouse and keyboard.
In the past, I had used a lot of different mice. Nothing high end, but good mice. And when I went to a Deathadder at a certain point, it was a BIG jump in sensor quality. Since then, minor improvements have been made, all these DPI boosts haven't really helped me play games. But the advantage is that even the cheapest name brand mice are absolutely AMAZING. Even the Basilisk X Hyperspeed I just got, which is a $60 wireless mouse, has no noticeable latency, an amazing sensor, and a 1000 Hz polling rate. So I'm happy to see an 8000 Hz polling rate roll out to cheaper mice rather than being a flagship product. It just means that in the future, everyone will have hardware that far exceeds their own capabilities. And that's nothing but a good thing.
I've been apprehensive about Razer products ever since I bought the razer hex naga few years before. The dpi get insane after few years and there is a lot of people have experience the same unstable dpi after 1-2 years after buying it.
I have had my deathadder for like 10 years and i never had any technical problems with. I am playing pvp shooter games at competition level. But a few days ago i was raging because of a university online test and hit the desk with it hard. Now the scroll wheel isnt working correctly anymore. I will buy a viper 8k today.
So, after using this mouse for year and a half, I can tell you this: You need a beefy CPU to run the mouse at 8Khz, otherwise, your games will start experiencing, stutters, lag spikes (Caused by latency) , and heavy FPS drop, depending on the title. Practical experience: 1 - 2k will have barely any impact on your computer but keep in mind, 2k will give you an minor edge over most common mouses (As they run at 800 - 1200), unfortunately, because the performance drops as you go up (Diminishing returns, in reality 8K does NOT mean 8 times the performance, the higher Hz you go, the less you get out of it improvement wise), there's barely any difference between 4k and 8k, you might as well leave it at 4k. In games such as CS: The difference is noticeable if going from 1k to 4K, however 2K isn't a huge enough difference like 4K was and 8K will feel, look and perform the same as 4K, assuming you have a strong enough CPU to keep up with the polling rates. Also, big, big, big note: While I did not notice any difference in performance going from 60Hz to 144HZ, you might see a difference at 500+Hz, because that's the refresh rate the 8Khz setting would expect. not sure what monitors supports those speeds though. I'm happy with the mouse, better than most of the ones I had through my time, but, atm, seems like 4K is the sweet spot.
I'm excited for this, I just ordered myself one, I hope I can feel the difference at least a little. Having a wire will be a little weird, but I do hope this brings some smoother and more responsive mice to the gaming space.
I have this mouse right now, was thinking of exchanging with basilisk v3 but after watching your video i am gonna stick with this viper 8khz. Thanks a lot
You can definitely feel the improvement going from 500 to 1000hz but 8000hz is as you mentioned reaching diminishing returns. It's free and updated tech so it's a move in the right direction IF you can lower the polling rate in the software, which I don't think you mentioned.
I picked one of these up about a month ago on a really good sale. At that price it's fine. The 8k polling works without issue for me. The shape is fine for me (fingertip grip). Palm grip is fine too. I don't like the cable though. It's super soft and that's good but it's braided and I really don't like braided. The middle mouse switch is way to sensitive on mine and I had to disable it because I was constantly clicking it unintentionally while scrolling in web browsers. I was able to work around the problem in gaming by reassigning any affected key bindings. I still use it but I doubt I'll buy another because of the middle mouse issue I have. As for the polling, I'll be looking for 8k mice in the future.
Nice explanation of the technological edge of a 8kHz polling rate vs 1kHz but I'm surprised to see that neither RJN nor you guys ran the mouse through mouse tester or Benq's mouse rate checker in order to verify Razer's polling rate claims. The mouse is not sending the same amount of data constantly. I doubt that you come even close to 2 kHz when doing flicks. Even 1kHz is only reached when its required for the amount of data sent per second. In competitive gaming the highest reliably reproducible performance is usually preferred over intermittent peaks in performance. If there's too much polling rate fluctuation at 8kHz that number is more marketing than anything else and the target audience will stick to 500Hz/1000Hz. So yes there 's a way to either validate or invalidate the benefits you 'felt" to your aim during tests.
Wow, perfect timing. I was ABOUT to order my first razer viper mouse but now I will wait for a bit and order the 8K one. Naaah, I will wait and see if the now old viper gets price cuts and then get it :D
TBH, if your monitor isn't even 500Hz, 1000Hz is overkill. These mouse makers are just trying to differentiate themselves in the market. I appreciate your efforts to try and give a fair perspective on this mouse guys
The average human response time is close to 0.2 ms so technically, you might notice a difference Also, the CPU usage thing you say, is also a thing Razer states in Synapse. It advises you to use 125hz on potatoes.
So I've managed to get my hands on one and I can very clearly tell the diff between 144 and 240hz on screens and yeah at 240hz 240fps there's something to the 8k pooling rate it feels ever so slightly snappier and smoother. But do I play better with it? No. I play better with the GPW SL because I prefer the shape.
Do you think they have released the most mice in one year ive ever seen. Absolutely unreal. Of course they are all case to case use basis its still amazing they went from such a small varied lineup refreshing every few years to like 10+ in a year. sheeeeesh
Did they actually changed/improved the current button switches or they gonna crap out after 4 months of use? I've already returned 2 Basilisks in 6 months cause of double clicks.
I still member videos form barncles saying that for his 60 inch triple tv set up, the high dpi multiplier was a benefit. But like, without the software to functionally be able to pick out your preference in sensitivity, like with whatever pixel count you have, whatever foot print your panel takes up, aspect ratio. I think as long as you get to have an imediate software in to be able to get dialed in pretty quickly. I dont remember which one, but one company implemented in their software having all number variations in dpi sensitivity. Where you could set it down to the single digit increments. Linus also did a video recently, when they got another mouse in house. And they showed with their slow mo cam and covered some of the explanation of math to do with frame rate. So also being, people with 360 refresh rate would benefit a small bit with the whole 8000hz polling rate. I don't entirely understand this technology and stuff though. Like, with monitors or touch screen panels, or even keyboards come with their own polling rate. Why? I don't get it, im not able to understand that stuff.
There was also the rog spatha and maybe the ouroboros, i think? But i remember the spatha having eother 2000hz or 3000hz polling rate. A really chunky weighted mouse though. Never really had any relevance but it was one of the first mouses to break a 1000hz in the first place.
Hello, i would like to know how is the scroll wheel a bit further.. does it require too much effort to roll it?(stiff, tough to roll etc) Or is it smooth and light like in the roccat burst series?? Smooth scroll wheel is an important point to me when getting a mouse , thanks in advance.
I get a lot of stuttering lag and slowdown when I run games like CSGO and Rust with the mouse set to 8k. Runs perfectly at 1k though. Using an i7 7700, gtx 1080 and 16gb of ram. The games normally run flawless with zero slowdown.
@@Aquaplayer-yb1sz it is. I have to turn mine down to 1000-2000 for it to be playable in CSGO, personally, even with a new pc I built after my post (5600x, rtx 3080)
did you try a reaction test? any difference? also i feel like a high refresh keyboard would primarily be important in MOBA games or even OW and Valorant
that 1ms does not matter much so dont expect any difference until you have a 360Hz monitor, a blazing fast pc that can keep pace without dropping frames, etc. what i say is 1mhz or 8mhz polling rate is waaaay down the list to worry about.
9:27 Disagree. The way I interpret Razers marketing is no matter what frame rate is being displayed the mouse will appear smoother WITHIN that displays frame rate as compared to 1khz mouse.
Would this work on the new Xbox series x?? I also have an very good 144hz 1440p 1ms monitor with the series x. So I guess I'm asking would this be to much over kill or just fine
They really are innovating in all the wrong ways. They need to be working on better shapes and higher quality materials. I've had to return SO much Razer gear, which is why I no longer buy from them. Razer is 80% marketing buzzwords 20% quality.
Looks good on paper, in practice, nobody would ever be able to tell the difference between 1k and 8k. Once hardware exceeds human reaction and perception, there's no point in pushing it any further, OTHER than marketing. Typical empty Razer hype to get you to buy the 'new' version of their thing you just bought 6 months ago. But you did great Dmitry ;)
5ms response means an average of 2.5ms for the polling to click. You can hit the polling at 0mn or 5ms. The stats for the Razer Viper 8k are eight times better.
The DPI race was BS because to get higher DPI than a few hundred or a few thousand, they only had 2 options. Either make the sensor lens larger, or artificially increase it, which means it was no longer native but less accurate. AFAIK they all went for the second option.
I have this mouse for a week, its extreme good precision. Hardware side is perfect but why the hell they put that mouse in cheapest chinesse plastic. I feel half cheated by razor. Plastic is horrible, exactly same like black cap on pepsi bootle. I still have my 15 years old razor mouse in my shelf, i did comparsion, thats not same feeling in touch.
