RDR2 | Map Changes 1899/1907 vs 1911 (RDR vs RDR2) 

Can you do new Austin in 1899 I’m convinced black water is different

U forgot Beechers hope

Excellent. Keep it up good work.

I wish armadillo was normal in rdr 2

You forgot saint denis was gone

Rdr2 is a prequel so the places weren’t as developed as the first game

@Anthony Fuller It was sheriff ferman

@@marcolawand And the fact that there is no train station in Tumbleweed.

Yeah. NBA 2k gets a lot of hate, but its by far the best looking sports game and it has the best gameplay too

Ricky Harris I think because it uses the rock star engine

@@rickyharris2896 all they need is a Rockstar writer to write MyCareer stories and fix the cringey dialogues

@@luizspindola yea fr. I liked 2k16 mycareer but that's because they got Spike Lee to direct it. Hopefully next gen 2k games will be way better in a lot of ways

Lol

How exactly will she get the money?

@@linamariacolonia8310 buy taking the key digging it up and taking it to camp

@@cultureofignorance4410 Good point, but like why not send Tilly or Ms. Grimshaw? There are no missions where they do anything with the gang. Idk, I just feel like they could've sent someone there at night and collected the money real quick and bounce out of there

I think yall forgot that the money was hidden where the pinkerton's camp was in Black Water.

GreenThePyro yeah

Invisible barn

@Jeff Thompson easy explanation New Austin just doesn't have a 1907 version Rockstar didn't made it... the only difference in new austin between 1899 and 1907 it's the sheriff's mustache.. Blackwater has a 1907 version but the rest of the rdr map they dindnt care.

That could tie into how you were supposed to be able to explore new Austin as aurthur in 1899. That explains why the cholera and abandonment of tumbleweed happened in such short time- it wasn't supposed to.

She's much younger than she appears

@@IndependentTitle But in the online she has (correct me if i'm wrong) 15y, and the online take place before Rdr2 campaign

Yeah, but RDR also has a kind of borderlands style unintentionally. It it still a good game but RDR2 looks better

@@kantofilms9167 of course It looks better, one is from 2010 and the other is from 2018

Agreed. I think some aspects of the character’s facial expressions are also done slightly better as well. I love John’s pissed off expressions and how you can see him grind his own teeth while threatening someone. It’s the little things that truly make me appreciate a game.

It’s because it’s unfinished. New Austin in rdr 2 was supposed to have a lot more. Even concept art for Mexico.

Because RDR1 is an older game and the graphics are less realistic and less historically accurate. RDR2 doesn't have the same New Austin atmosphere but it is more historically accurate.

Yeah, sometimes people tend to forget the west also has plants, trees, and grass.

IMO (just for information, I am European) Big Valley, Heartlands and New Austin are the most western(ish) regions. I just feel like a real gunslinger in those parts.

@@quuaaarrrk8056 I think RDR 1 was supposed to based off of the spaghetti Westerns, the Sergio Leone movies which were mainly filmed in Spain and Italy. So the landscape represents that. Whereas RDR2 is more focused on being a realistic depiction of our Westerns states.

@@shreddiestreams I think so, too. Being in NA makes me feel like the "West" I know, while Big Valley, Heartlands etc. make me feel like what the west actually is more like.

@@shreddiestreams yeah, in rdr2 they based the map of painting made in the wild west.

Rumor is, that's next on Rockstar's plate.

@@williamlydon2554 I've been hearing this rumor as well. I hope it is true, I'm still playing RDR2 now and I've owned it since the day it released. Fingers are crossed.

​@@williamlydon2554 a remake isn't happening. If they were going to do it, they would've released it for the 10th anniversary.

Honestly I feel like RDR2 is very blue

Lmaooo wonder what happened to that sheriff

Trey Brown There really should be a side story that describes it.

Universal_Wisdom there’s actually might be. I wish they showed the rise of the gang’s we see in rdr1 like the Waltons

Trey Brown Right??? I forgot all about the Waltons.

Trey Brown Tumbleweed was already in the shit due to the railroads not passing them, instead going straight to Armadillo. That along with strong presence of Del Lobo gang members and Sheriff Gray ruling the town with an iron fist was probably more than enough to drive everyone away from tumbleweed. I assume that Gray followed suit and left too.

Jay Yeag theives landing was probably the saddest thing about the rdr2 map, i really wanted to visit it, but its just barren

@@vladdythebear5872 There's basically no point of New Austin in RDR2, it was added in as fan service. But Rockstar didnt put enough time into putting detail into areas like Thieves Landing or Macfarlane's Ranch and these well known areas just feel empty and boring

Time flies aint it?

@@foodafen6367 Exactly, and it seems like the majority of RDR2 players have never even played the first one to begin with so it was a waste of time.

I know how that feel, I had a 7 man posse, they all gone off to do other things but we all used to play all day on weekends

Cool story bro

You left the posse when the posse left you

Naw bro that's just toxic PVP Drama bullshit, play the story and actually feel the game and understand the world.

Hello all this is an update, i haven’t played red dead in over 5 months, that last comment was made around the time I quit, I’ve because friends with some of the old people that I used to play with, it’s sad about what happened back in the day, I still remember it, yea it’s just a game but I also lost friends due to everyone wanting power over each other, some of the people I still hate today, and the others I’ve became good friends with.

Stop it 😂

Also online is in 1899

@@colegivens8155 actually, rdr2 online takes place in 1898.

No, they just thought it would fit better in the timeline

FrozenSolid source ?

CTCRStudios rockstar cut like 7 hours of content out of the game and Mexico and Guarma were originally going to be in the game and you can see that in the code look it up

I agree

Fire isn't a good thing made by Rockstar

reminds me of Ganons Castle in Ocarina of Time

I’d advise you to not go into comments if you don’t wanna get spoiled just a recommendation

@Gaming Babylon it's been nearly 3 years now. Ya can't get upset over a spoiler at this point. IRON MAN DIES IN ENDGAME.

@@someonedumb2551 I just wish they could stop putting their time into GTA V and focus more on RDR stuff. We don’t need another GTA V remaster, nobody asked for it.

New Austin is in 1899 it doesn’t change

Troll move? Did you forget Bonnie mentioned many of her family passed away from cholera?

Then put the chlorea for Tumbleweed since its a gang hideout in rdr1 so it will make sens why it got abandon​@@SeriousDragonify

New Austin wasn't planned to be on RDR2 at all, it was a very late addition and it really shows. It's just a barren wasteland like everything north of Los Santos in GTA V. Rockstar should focus on smaller maps. The difference between the new RDR 2 areas and New Austin is night and day. They should've at least left Mexico available to explore, even if John Marston claimed to have never visited it by 1911, or finish Guarma and let us be able to travel there whenever we wanted.

name the song?

@@anshalupadhyay5674 That's The Way it is. RDR2

@@captainmomentos5086 no?

uh, maybe she lied :/

mito omura nah, I reckon rockstar just forgot about what bonnie said and didn’t add it.

@@RockDeKasbah lol ikik i was just kidding

I think she meant it by 3 years ago cuz people live a shorter life back in 1911

Because bonnie was less than 18

irony in its greatest form

Very realistic representation of the rivalries that existed between real Western towns

Well in mission agent ross say it has been there for few years xD

Lmao with time. But I think armadillo has had a history of bad shit happening to it

My guess is the railroad went through Armadillo, connecting the town to civilization, and Tumbleweed was abandoned due to the lack of connection to civilization. That and the danger of a large gang taking over Tumbleweed.

A lot of things can happen in 4 years

@@michaelcarbajal. This is not as accurate as that. The railroad station is already broken after just 4 years and Tumbleweed a ghost town

Sammexp you have to play the first game to know what happened to tumbleweed. The railway was built to armadillo which then had better law enforcement. And people moved from tumbleweed which is in a canyon so it could easily be raided by bandits. Which is what happened. Bandits killed the remaining people and it is run down in rdr1 1911 and rdr2 1907 because they only made one version of the map 1899 since you were originally gonna be able to go there as Arthur. It’s not lore-fuckup. It’s just rockstar being lazy and or forgetful.

I agree! It's strange but I think the the RDR1 maybe had a more realistic lack of saturation, or maybe the lighting was more harsh, if what I said makes sense.

That just shows you how good RDRI was. It still holds up nicely.

@@MegaChorro123 it does I just replayed it on xbox on 4k and it looks amazing

When rockstar remade Blackwater they wanted it to look modern for it's time so they got rid of most of the wood frame buildings

I think it's because rockstar had less time with rdr1 and because the designt team wasn't so advanced

@@Literallyryangosling777 true, but I wonder what is canon

I kinda like the woody style

Yh ikr

In rdr1 it feels like a spaghetti western imo.

Yeah man true but that was years ago now they can make it even better, also i watched some vids and it looks like theres gonna be a rdr remake

Keldie lol do you know people can lie kid?

@@javierescuella731 i said it looks like, never confirmed it, lmao

Not weird at all, they just decided to use the names of the streets for the second game

And Sisika avenue.

Tahiti

@@eppyeppy9851 WE NEED MORE MONEY!!! JUST ONE MORE SCORE!!!

@@sudlander9447 I HAVE A PLAN

They'd probably have some cars. But mostly horse and wagons.

Just look up pictures of New Orleans from that time lol

New Orleans in 1911 had many, many cars. Still not the norm, but there were many.

I still play it I think I'm on my 3rd playthrough now

My Vices the browning 1911

@@jamesdestroyer3610 No just no

@@jamesdestroyer3610 bruh

Draco I wanted them to add the luger to both red dead’s because it was invented in those times

Draco why? because i’m pretty sure they were making prototypes and john could go do a mission for him and he would give a prototype version

and john was look back to micah and Agent Ross found John

@@ferdykurniawan6326 that's was a big mistake

Neme of song pls

@@davidpilguer9272 use Shazam

@@davidpilguer9272 "That's The Way It Is"

Boat probably

I mean she could have swimed 😂😂😂

Cut content seemed to point to how new Austin was supposed to be explored. Remember how the dinosaur bone quest had Arthur in it? That's proof enough for cutting Mexico out.

New Austin did not change at all in 1898-1899-1907 but in 1911 is changed

I agree. The RDR1 Blackwater buildings look too much like generic western buildings. Definitely doesn't fit the modern vibe the city is supposed to give off.

@@airgerald1055 yea that's what I was thinking, with new game engines and storage capabilities, buildings look much less generic.

RDR1 ended in 1914. The same year WW1 started in Europe. Those were quite literally the last days of the West. Also Jack was at just the right age to be drafted into WW1 when the US intervened in 1917. If there is an RDR3 it will most likely be set before the events of RDR2.

@lumbago boi I agree. The only main buildings missing would be the ones to the north of blackwater that haven’t been fully built by 1907.

@@Exodon2020 I would like to see the origins of the gang with a younger arthur and how they meet everyone, maybe playing with someone else then dies and at the end change to arthur

Everytime I see him I always give him a few coins.

Nice, will try that.

Niklas Eldevik WE ARE RUNNING IN 90’S!

And put like zero effort into it

@@kaydenlewis9246 You know how difficult it is to develop content to the quality Rockstar does? It was already delayed a year to get this stuff in. It's all for fan service (and probably both to increase biome diversity and give Online a bigger playground) and its inclusion doesn't hurt anything.

@@TheDanteEX 6-8 hours of cut content(remember that when thinking about the 1 YEAR delay)

​@@kaydenlewis9246 seems ungrateful to have that when you have such a good game but to cry about the little aspects that aren't even apparent at face value

@@gv661 it is a good ass game, still didnt put a lot in new Austin though

Logan malough this is a game

Hatt n Clogs Um I do know that already. Why does everyone keep telling me that?

Hatt n Clogs 😂😂😂😂

rockstar is incredible

Not to mention it goes from the imperial theater to a wooden building lmao

The only thing that didnt aged really well in rdr1 is the Stone textur rest is still beautiful

Oh my god aren’t you that popular comment guy from The heavy is dead..? What u doin here

It for sure was

6-8 hours of cut content

Well, I mean, they modeled a low poly, largely culled-out model of El Presidio, but in the PS4 1.00 release all of the models for Nuevo Paraíso towns existed - and you can hear a dog barking in two different locations.

Yeah they completely ported over the red dead 1 map and just remodelled it for new graphics, it’s why some textures at armadillo and tumble weed have some older looking textures, they probably just wanted to meet the deadline and Mexico wouldnt have been finished so they just started cutting it down (for performance aswell) It makes sense with the Mexico music that plays when you glitch over and the other towns and npcs and dialogues relating to Mexico in the files

From the videos I've seen looking at the development of the map the entirety of New Austin was added very late in development and the entire northern area of the map was shuffled multiple times late in development. Mexico was likely just modeled for looks and was never intended to be a playable area.

Rdr2 is the best

Maybe in the future a rdr3 VR edition will be released

Peter Storms I don’t think rdr3 should be a thing as much as I hate to say it

Anselmo Romo this gens consoles could handle Mexico

it wouldn't make sense judging from the games timeline

@@TensedOut I mean they added buildings in online that aren't in story mode in gta5 like the casino, facilities and bunkers

@@steve8379 Would make sense in an online perspective, but single player, no.

@@TensedOut I'm talking about online not offline

That's because of the sheriff He had delusions of grandeur which set people abandoning the place

@@Dutch_van_der_Linde_1899 It's because of the railroad. It's explained in the story in a few different areas that the railroad to Armadillo is what eventually turned the latter into a boom town while Tumbleweed went belly up. The same thing has happened in a lot of US towns throughout history as well.

@@ninja_tony yeah , those are the 2 main reasons

Such an amazing show

why did you spell it with a k

@@Kropolis It's not my native language, sometimes i do few mistakes

instead of a rdr1 remaster we are getting Gta 5 remaster remaster

Mr. Obunga f for people with ps3s who have a 1080p screen or better

name the song?

@@anshalupadhyay5674 It’s called That’s The Way It Is by Daniel Lanois

Your comment just made me laugh lol

So i aint delusional

Connor Leonard Ik that’s the thing I wanted to see most from Rdr2

You have wrong info brother, the serendipity was going upriver when it hit shallow water, it was told by authorities of Blackwater to stay and float, this caused the boat to take on large amounts of water and they made an emergency docking at a dock that was too shallow and small, with the extra damage made from the dock, the ferry company deemed it a lost cost and let it sit and rot, I think you’re thinking about the line that the fbi guy says that he thinks Dutch’s “new” gang is hiding out

FadedFlame I would say it gets confused with the boat Dutches gang robbed just before the events of the first game where John gets shot and Dutch shoots that girl Like before the first game came out and we didn’t know it was a bank robbery on the boat it was speculated that this event took place on the serendipity so personally I was very excited to see how it got there and if Dutch’s Gang was in any way involved I hope we get to see the events in a Red dead Online update or something? Like if the online world skipped ahead until after 1907

Yes

Yup Top 3 best story mode games And it’s gonna get a big update in 2 days

Thanks guys 🤘🏾

if your gonna play story mode, to fully finish Epilogue Download Red dead 1

The game is more than good

I would also love a remaster!

@@Ryanbros I played the second game first and I am finding the first one incredibly frustrating. not just poor graphics, but poor controls, and the inability to save my game anywhere has me losing progress constantly. I'll spend a long time performing some task, and then before I can find a place to make camp, my horse will die, or I'll fail some random encounter, and have to do everything again. the game is so unplayable that I genuinely don't know how it got a sequel. but remaking it in the second game's engine could solve all those problems

@@neomp5 I was agreeing, you are describing a remaster!

@@Ryanbros somewhere between a remake and a remaster another thing that needs fixing about the first game. animal and enemy respawns. in the last 2 minutes, I just killed 7 grizzly bears in one spot. if you get attacked by wolves and you try to skin them, you will be there for the rest of your life, because you kill 6 wolves, and by the time you skin 5, another pack of 6 has spawned to attack you. this game is broken

With also more callbacks and references to the prequel game events and its characters.

RDR2 is a prequel which is set before RDR1

Yes

RDR2 goes forward while the series as a whole goes back further in time. The go back to go forward

Still today

Dont you mean rdr1?

Both games were ahead of his time, im sure on five years rdr2 will still be able to be compared with other game with grafics and details

Yeah

Maybe Armadillo came across some money for infrastructure after the cholera?

armadillo only had the cholera outbreak in rdr2 because rockstar didnt finish it.

@@czahnnunh2263 drew macfarlane said Armadillo had a cholera outbreak years ago, but i doubt it would be this severe and only that recently

Armandillo had cholera problem and Tumbleweed was abonded bcs train traccs missed the city so everyone moved.... but at least in rdr1 they're some new ranches builded in wilderness tho

Well, this really happen to few important city. One of famous gost cinty now was stan capital in 1850- 60s.

I agree, we should see what john jack and Abigail say to the online character we all use

Remake friend ;)

No

@@tomawesome1306 yes

This is the one time I can agree with someone askin for a remaster cause rockstar doesn't have the forethought to realize in maybe 10 or so years it'll be basically impossible for someone to play this game good example is max Payne 3 cause it's on PC I was able to BUY the goddamn thing I want to give you money rockstar I dont want to have to pirate or emulate your fuckin game such a shame to cause rockstar games and mods go hand in hand but we dirty pirating PC user no no no we dont get to receive the gifts or they'll make us wait 1-2 fuckin years

WE NEED RDR1 ON PC.

That's the way it is

LOL

Bruh its only $30 on Xbox, maybe its a glitch

@@ethanfergus1434 its the same for me to lol

Rockstar: WE NEED MUNEH

Thank you sir. There is not enough kindness ins this world, that's for sure.

Theirs a good man withing you but he is wrestling with a giant

@@lamboempire4599 "and the giant wins time and again" 😔

New Austin has no benefit in the story of the second game , nor have the developers focused on building a new, map and more states, and they have done an amazing job, so I do not understand why you are so attached to New Austin, as if the lack of focus on it is one of the defects of the second game , and this is truly foolish and unfair to the game. Just enjoy. In the rest of the map, it is very simple. There is no benefit from New Austin in the story of the game, and the first game focused on it, and the events took place there, so there is no need to focus on it again, and they decided to develop a new and diverse world., it is a new game, not a remastered of the first game , and if you are so attached to the state, just go and play the first game . The story takes place there

@@ogloc320 I just like the area in RDR2?? It's not like the devs would shame me for going through the area they had to miss going home on the weekend working crunch to make.

​@@ogloc320Actually it has benefit. They just didnt do it. In The New South mission Hosea, Arthur and Dutch mention being there camping. They just didnt add that which obviously are saving for rdr3.

Or during 1890 in RDO

@@papapepperoni3916 rdo Is in 1898

The end of rd1 is right at the VERY end of the wild west. Any further and it's not Red Dead anymore.

@@nameynamename3758 ok but that isnt relevant to the conversation

@@nameynamename3758 1918 I'd say is the end of the old west. It was still the wild west well into the 2000s

Lol true