Player movement in the NBA from 2010-15 was out of control... so I wanted to take a look back at that era: re-grading the BIGGEST NBA trades from 2010-15! #nba #nbatrade #nbatrades
Can't forget that Anthony Bennett was also in that Wiggins / Love trade. Yeah he was terrible but he was still the #1 pick the year before, and people still thought maybe he could be a decent player maybe
One thing almost everyone forgets about the wiggins trade is that Flip Saunders was still the coach of the wolves at the time, and when he died wiggins was coached by some of the worst coaches he couldve had unfortunately. I still believe that Flip couldve made wiggins an all star and if he didnt die he might still be on the wolves with KAT.
Norman powell could've been a Khris backup now that you think of it. Missed out on that one since Vasquez isn't even in the NBA anymore and OG is a stud in Toronto
Depending on how many titles Jaylen and Jayson win for the Celtics things can change but at this moment, the best trade in franchise history was made in the 1980 draft, Celtics traded their draftees Joe Barry Carroll and Rickey Brown for Robert Parish and the rights of Kevin McHale. That's a one time all star and a guy who played only for seasons for one of the best big man duos of all time.
Don't remind me. The trade actually was Parrish and the Dubs 1st rd. pick(McHale) for Rickey Brown and Boston's 1st(Joe Barry Carroll). The signing of Bernard King and World B Free the next season took some of the sting away from the departures of Jamaal Wilkes and The Big Chief.
@@hunterwade9030 Russell was traded for 2 hall of famers and they won a title one year after the trade. Russell once said that had he ended up not being traded away from the Hawks, he wouldn't have played at all. The Hawks were at St Louis and that area was pretty hostile towards black people back then.
The Vasquez trade had greater ramifications as well. It allowed the Raptors to trade their own first round pick in 2017 (while keeping the Bucks pick) and Terrence Ross for Serge Ibaka, and of course Norman Powell became the younger Gary Trent Jr.
I feel like the butterfly effect of the Harden deal for the Thunder is worth a mention. They couldn't afford Harden's contract because they gave Serge Ibaka a huge contract aswell. As we know, they traded Ibaka to the Magic in 2016 for Victor Oladipo and the rights to Domantas Sabonis. As we also know, they traded those two guys to Indy for Paul George, who they turned into Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and like 6 picks. I think even thought Harden was an MVP level player for a majority of the time he was in Houston, and they might've won a title had they kept him, we'll never know that for certain, but we do know that by extending Serge they got all the assets they have now.
Chandler was was the 2nd best player for Dallas in 2011, and nobody expected it or even remembers it. Cuban completely lucked out in getting him, and never appreciated what he had while he played for him. Just let him walk in the offseason after WINNING THE CHAMPIONSHIP.
Grading trades years after the fact is a tough business. You have to look at it both prospectively and retrospectively. Prospectively, did the trade make sense? Did it fill a need? Did you get real value, and what did it cost you? Retrospectively, did it work out? A lot of trades can be bad prospectively but good retrospectively, and vice-versa. The Pau Gasol trade in 2008, the one that Gregg Popovich derided, was a terrible trade based on the prospects. The Lakers didn't surrender a rotation player, and they didn't have to give up the equivalent of a lotto pick. That almost never happens when making a trade for an All-Star unless it's one of those sign-and-trades which is really just a wrinkle on free agency. Just based on the prospects, no team not in the middle of a firesale would pull that trade. Just the year before, Memphis was demanding young impact players, but in the end they settled for expiring contracts, low draft picks, and one promising 2nd-round prospect that nobody knew how good he could be (Marc Gasol). But retrospectively? It worked great for both teams. LA won two titles which they wouldn't have without Pau's skilled offense, and Memphis had a run of relevance and ended up with a deeper roster than if they just kept Pau. If you graded it for the Lakers, you give them an A because they got what they wanted and they got it for relatively cheap. For the Thunder, it's probably a B or B+, because you can't ignore the fact that they really should've gotten more out of it. Think of what the Pelicans got in return for Anthony Davis. That's what the Thunder should've done. Anyway, the hindsight/foresight balance is why the HOU/OKC Harden trade doesn't earn the Thunder an F. What could they have realistically gotten out for Harden? There was some shortsightedness on OKC's part, but that was building up to the trade instead of the trade itself. OKC's real mistake was overvaluing guys like Kendrick Perkins while refusing to pay the luxury tax in their window of contention.
When you look at Indiana's roster over the last 10 years they have had so much talent moving through that organization but they can never get it just right. Either the star gets hurt or the second best guy wants out or something else like that is always happening to the pacers. If you took their All Star team of the last 10 years they could be NBA champions.
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At 5:55, no Harden was not okay with coming off the bench, which is why he demanded a trade. Pesti was just getting what he could for a disgruntled player.
saying harden did not want out of okc wasnt true at all. does no one remember how much bitching he was doing then? you dont have to think too hard if youll recall he has complained about teammates literally every year since
It seems hypocritical to give Indiana the benefit of the doubt because Kawhi might not have developed if he wasn't traded, but not give the benefit of the doubt to OKC when Harden might not have developed next to Russ and KD.
Yeah OKC was still fringe title contenders from 2013-16 but unfortunately a few of those runs got derailed with injuries. Martin was a solid contributor on the 13’ team but Westbrook went down with the torn meniscus in rd1 where we all knew it over. 2014 they ran into arguably the most complete Spurs team of all time and took them to 6 games and Ibaka was out the first two games. Which was much more competition than the heat gave them in the finals that year 2015 Durant and WB missed 69 games combined and were a lost tiebreaker away from getting the 8th seed 2016 they put together the most impressive postseason run in awhile after rd1 beating the 67 win spurs in 6 games and taking a historic 73-9 Warriors team to 7 despite being up 3-1. This is the only series you can harp on the Thunder big two for the blown lead and really the only “failure” of the post James Harden trade. All these years they were better than the Rockets minus 2015. F- should really be a C-C+ because they still were contending in the short term til they lost KD. Rockets ended up better than them for the years after but still hadn’t made the finals just like OKC
I mean, harden was already a very good player, averaging 18ppg. We didn't see the MVP level playing coming, but he was obviously an amazing player, and a star in the making. Indiana traded the 15th pick for George Hill, who was already a solid player
2015 toronto gets normal powell and og anunoby for Vasquez. 2020 Norman powell gets traded for Gary trent JR. 2022 GTJ and OG anunoby +2 frp gets traded for durant. Vasquez for durant.
I knew harden would become greater. I knew OKC could never keep him after his contract was up. Guy was made to become a superstar. Just had to get out the 6th man role.
I don’t agree with the James Harding grade I believe rockets gets an A , but okc was not an F Adam was amazing for years and helped russ get those triple dubs he apart of history!
He almost reached 25ppg 4 years before the trade. The year before the trade he averaged 17, he only played one year for OKC and only averaged 14. That's an F-
Hey man , i really Love and admire Your knowledge all around the the NBA and i am appreciating Your wisdom. All that cutting in that Video makes you appear kinda hyperactive.just take Your Time man . People like me aint in a hurry
Lmfao there’s a difference between being held responsible by a peer and being held responsible by someone who has done it. KAT still hasn’t won anything either but people only look down on Wiggins. He was expected to be the lead scorer which is something no one would have expected if he was with LeBron.
@@Reqzy10 Sure Wiggins was overhyped and didn`t live through expections but people who say Wiggins was only good cuz he`s on the warriors forget how good he was on the wolves. Obv not great but nowhere near bad as some people make it seem as. He averaged 23 PPG in his 3rd season and go see his stats. when he was on the warriors he was able to showcase what he was able to do also defensively he improved
Charlotte, Sacramento & possibly Minnesota are worst run nba franchises …. A Revolving door of coaches, Players. Poor drafting and talent management. Am I wrong ?
