Reacting to "Anti-Anti-MLM" Propaganda (Imbosslee & NSSG) | Part 1 

Thank you to have taken the time to positively critic their schemes! To show what is the real facts actually and proveable! I've been in Jehovah's Witnesses since my birth until my 28 years old when I decided to dissacociate myself at the price of being shunned and disowned by my mom and the only peoples I ONLY knew! I quitted their Sectarian Cult as it was starting costing my life and I was on the brink to kill myself by all the intolerance given to me for the Non-Binary Trans Woman I am that I actually did my coming-out 6 months before dissacociating myself! So, seeing those MLMs, how they actually technically are a High Control Groups just like where I was, it drives me insane when I hear them saying so much nonsense that are technically unproven, where all the data we give them show how wrong they are, but still, they prefer lying in giving data that are technically false and just pure malicious lies! What just Primarily maked me shout out loud is that affirmation when they litteraly said that being Anti-MLM is being against women! It just went under my skin! MLM aren't Pro-Women, even if they have a majority of women in those MLM, the women are still monetarily abused to have nearly nothing while the top 1% have everything! THEY ARE abusing women in their schemes! And even if they wouldn't abuse their Sales representatives, they still are technically Pro-Cis Women ONLY, those MLMs are highly built by TERFS that won't even let Trans Women join their Parties, or any sessions at all! Peoples like me are still considered as not real women by those organisations! So hearing them DARING to say being Anti-MLM is Anti-Women, it is just raising every hair on my head and is boiling my nerves as well as insulting my own integrity!

Do doordash for a week and you can get that no problem. Way less work for that $300

@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite because anything is more profitable than being on a low level in an mlm. Even doing completely nothing usually is. Cause it doesn't cost money

@@dutchik5107 walking to the park is more profitable, as you might find a penny

Oh, spending $600 to get $300 could be life changing. In precisely the wrong circumstances, at least.

Interesting how she NEVER mentions that one little detail 🤣

Oh this just adds another level

There is so much she selectively leaves out of her story to change the narrative.

Came here for this. Yes, Jesse Lee knows _exactly_ what she is saying and doing.

I was thinking $300 sounded a bit steep for a single rent increase, especially for a sad basement.

Yep, that’s exactly right.

there's a fundamental and very frustrating sleight of hand technique involved in saying basically capitalism normally exploits women, well here is a version of capitalism where women are on top, and leaving out that the women who are on top got there by... exploiting women

To be honest that's very close to what wealth really is. It's a measure of the volume of folks that have less than you.

@@storm14k Are you suggesting capitalism is unethical? because I'm willing to go there if you are...

@@jordonleblanc1809 at large scales that's an argument that can be made. At small scales we have to be careful because we're getting into the idea of basic ownership down to the right to own your own thoughts.

Yup. And the other one is that the very judicial precedent from the 1979 Amway trial, which allows MLMs to operate legally, is not only never enforced, it is inherently unenforceable. The "70% rule" states that distributors must sell 70% of the inventory they purchase each month, and the "10 customer rule" states that the sales must be made to at least 10 different "retail" or "outside" customers, and the burden is on the distributor - not the company - to provide proof of this to their "sponsor" (upline) and "Direct Distributor" (the MLM). To my knowledge, no MLM EVER has told people to keep track of this, nor have they ever asked their distributors for proof of this - because, in my opinion, they don't want a paper trail of that. This precedent is only ever referenced in individual FTC investigations into companies that have been accused of being pyramid schemes, which, again, puts the burden of both reporting en masse the company's alleged crimes, and of the financial harm that all of those reporting the crimes have inevitably been subject to in the meantime. Whatever the original intention of this ruling, its actual effect is to essentially make the distributors/recruits/customers bear all of the responsibility and harm while giving the MLMs free reign to make millions to billions of dollars and skirt any legal responsibility right up until the very end - if there even is an end. MLMs are pyramid schemes. They are criminal organizations, and they know it. And the worst part is that our government (the US government I mean, but many others too) is complicit - and they have been ever since that Amway ruling.

Don’t insult pyramid schemes by comparing them to MLMs.

False

Yes, exactly! You can be both victim and predator at the same time.

Yes! Attributing socialization to biology is one of my pet peeves!

Learning the reality of this after leaving Evangelicalism was really hard to deal with

There's a reason why mlms are huge in Christian circles.

Persecution complex

Exactly- ive always hated that "biblical" idea of "well, the world might be saying we are wrong, but don't listen, we are better than the world and must save them"

Exactly. And how do they think dangerous cults recruit more followers? By brainwashing people who then go out and brainwash others

Wow. Way to smear survivors of abuse!

@@wmdkitty they aren’t smearing victims!! Just saying that people who abuse have often been abused themselves. You find it with young children who bully in the playground; often they are being bullied at home by parents or older siblings.

@@wmdkitty I'm a victim of abuse, does that mean I can't abuse another person? My mom is a CSA survivor but she did abuse me as a child. She didn't sexually abuse me, but she still had many tendencies and behaviors that she learned from her abusers of which influenced her parenting. She was simultaneously a victim and a perpetrator of abuse. Most people don't just become abusers magically one day.

*educated. Autocorrect is just making me look bad

Put them together and you have iGenius.

Let's be real, NFTs are just MLMs with an even more useless product.

Ah yes, “I am become Education, teacher of worlds.” -classic quote by Oppenheimer, primary school teacher from the best timeline

NFTs are literally just selling someone a number that points to a file holder.

You put this so eloquently! I wish I would have framed it as well as you did in this comment!

Really nice point

not only that, but it was her moms basement.

All her successes are her own making, all her failures are due to circumstances outside her control.

@@controversialconversations5734 Hold on. Not only was her mom charging her rent but she was upping it by $300/month?

@@sweettalkinghippie yes. From 0. Isabella Lantern did a deep dive on her story.

Oh wow I didn’t know she had sent Chelsea a cease and desist! I actually only realized recently that CC’s done a bunch of investigating and vids on her. I need to watch them all at some point. So, like Jessie is putting herself out there as a public figure and with that she’s opening herself up to criticism. MLM coaches like her are obsessed with portraying a certain image of wealth and success, so when that image starts to be picked apart by us skeptics she goes crazy. She can’t stand the fact that now there’s people out there who don’t think she’s the pinnacle of wealth and success.

@@theantibot lol yup, Chelsea spilled BBQ sauce on the c&d letter 😆 she's done a ton of content on Boss Lee

😂😂😂 That’s amazing!!! I’m dying!!!

Literally same. The way these people turn themselves inside out to blame others is absurd

That last part spoke to me and feels like I might be in that situation currently

Lol! I know, I’m such a compassionate person 😂

Fewer not less.

@@theantibot yes you are. But practically compassionate. Talk is cheap. You do the work. You're better than compassionate, you're admirable in the true sense of the word. You're fundamentally decent for the sake of it.

"(which might also explain why we see less mlm's in Europe)" There are also more laws in place to help people who lose money in MLMs. That said, some of the first anti-MLM reporting I saw actually came from the BBC, and there's a major MLM in Europe/SOuth Asia that actually isn't in the US at all (Oriflame).

My husband and I both own our own businesses. I don't work 8 hrs, I work 24/7. I love it. But owning a real business is a struggle, if I don't work, I dont get paid. That can be tough, and yeah, not everyone can do that. It's still a struggle.

Exactly! Them saying how they hated some successful people made me think of vicious trolls that hate watch or hate follow someone just to let them know how they hate that person.

Even Colleen mentioned that she used to hate peoples success, like sis that’s a you problem maybe you oughta work on that 🤷🏼‍♀️

Yes! I had the same thought. Like, wait, I make good money but I'm not in a cubicle so 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yeah, they don't get that... there's actually people out there who like or at least don't mind their job? Freelancers working from home? Legitimate small business owners? Chefs and line cooks? So many jobs out there that aren't cubicle-based.

Hey a cult sales pitch won't work without a good false dichotomy.

Yay! I hope you enjoy!

was it WFG?

notinterestedinyourscamsis YES that’s the one!

@@DjurrenArt ugh I was in wfg let me guess they got you on a zoom?

I just re-read you were in several online training sessions they’re supposedly about spreading financial literacy which we do lack in this nation but an MLM is surely not the way to go. I totally believe you when you said they speak w passion like a motivational speaker…all that is so cringe now that I remember my experience. they’ll say high energy = high income or something like that. glad you did your research and avoided that one! they try to be slick but they’re for sure an MLM you can only make more money if you recruit.

@@ucantbreakmysoul4325 Yeah, on Zoom. And so glad I did my research before I went any further. You wouldn't believe the amount of numerous horror stories I've read. Also that one dude that's really energetic is lowkey scary ngl. Still get shivers down my spine thinking about it.

Right?! I sometimes feel like I don't measure up, but to be angry and hate those who are doing well? 🚩🚩🚩

I agree. I've driven a standard for a long time, I always put it in neutral going down a long hill and never had any problems. Her story is a really odd one.

I don't drive stick but isn't it what you're supposed to do or like standard practice? 😂

OMG thank you. It's been so long since I have driven a standard that I though maybe I was losing my memory. I was just like....isn't that how it works? Probably going to need to shift anyway. Plus it's a standard you aren't going to hurt the transmission by going into neutral....

Nope. Abusers choose to be abusers.

@@wmdkitty nope. Rates of PTSD and ACEs (adverse childhood experiences) are way higher in criminal populations than in general population

@@wmdkitty source?

Yup, or situations like that of Allison Mack. She was manipulated and preyed on by Raniere, and part of that was her then manipulating and preying on others to expand the group.

There are plenty of anti communities for other jobs, specifically landlords (although is it really a real job?). But that's again very often predatory. And the only people who are actually pro it are the ones making money from it. There are anti police and anti lawyers and anti s.xworkers. But those jobs have support from people who don't make money from it.

@@tatiana4050, people call for police reform because the abuse, systemic racism, and lack of accountability are rampant. But we know we need law enforcement. Same with lawyers. The ambulance chasers and the billable hours system lend themselves to abuse; but the legal profession is still very much necessary. It's one thing to say: "Your industry is needed, but has A LOT of problems to address and resolve" vs "Your industry is unethical and needs to stop existing."

😂

Heaps of faith manipulation across the industry. JulieJo has a trend on these cases coming from studying diploma in Christian ministry as well as past faith context. Lots of 'God sent you to this call about signing uo' and 'this business is my ministry'

Not that the two actions are comparable. But the model is similar.

It’s very false. As others have pointed out, the $300/month was her mother deciding she was old enough to start paying rent.

Thank you!!! 💜💜

Well apparently it also went up by more than a 1000%.... From 0 to 300

It's infantilizing to say that we need to constantly support other women's choices. No. We are adults, and when we make bad choices we'll have to deal with the consequences. Don't join an MLM or any other scam wnd this won't be an issue.

There is NOTHING harmful about any real MLM business model.

Someone’s gotta help him out, ya know? 😂