The ghoul who says "its her" was saved by her in the super duper mart. If I recall he says thank you before running off and probably headed for the observatory.
"Will you still want the same thing, when you've become a different animal, all together." Lucy - found her dad, no longer cared to bring her dad home. Max - became a knight, no longer had a desire to become a knight. Barb isn't in Vault 31. That vault was for Bud's Buds, who were all executive assistants and junior level executives. Barb was VERY high up in Vault Tec and is likely at the control vault (if she's still alive). That's been vaguely referenced in Fallout lore, but never specifically identified (Vault 0). She hints at that when telling Coop she was working to get them into a "special vault, for management, where [they] would oversee all of the other vaults." Muldaver - most likely had her own cryo technology. She was rich (from Vault Tec buying her technology) and obviously brilliant (she invented cold fusion), so she could have definitely afford to build her own and had the ability to do it. Other options within Fallout lore: clones and synths (sentient androids indistinguishable from humans). I think cryo is the most likely, though. There are 6 main line Fallout games (1, 2, 3, New Vegas, 4 & 76). 1, 2, and New Vegas are the most important for the setting in this show. The look of the sets, props, and costumes most closely matches 4 and 76. There is another "semi-canon" game, Fallout: Tactics, and another game which we don't talk about. 😉 Oh, and also the mobile game. Season 2 is a definite. I think pre-production has already started, but don't quote me on that.
That sign at the end that advertised "cryo suites" could be one way for Muldaver to have survived. However, it seems too coincidental that the funeral home her meetings are at is called "Hollywood Forever" which makes me think they were using it as the site for an alternative cryo facility for rich Hollywood types that didn't want to buy into VaultTec's program.
It's also worth noting that: (1) Vault 4 -- the vault run by and for scientists -- is right by/under Shady Sands, which is why the people who survived Shady Sands fled there after the bombing. (2) Moldaver was one of the people who founded Shady Sands. (3) Moldaver is a scientist. (4) Vault 4 has cryopods. It's very possible that Moldaver was in a cryopod in Vault 4. Her lab/research was bought out by Vault-Tec before the first bombs dropped but she wasn't in open warfare with or defiance of them at that time. She was holding "communist" meetings but it's not like she was on the run or they were trying to take her out. Hank was only sort of aware of her ("I think I know who you are"), and that was likely more to do with her involvement with Shady Sands when he was trying to get his wife back, not anything that happened before the original bombs dropped. If she was some sort of nefarious enemy of Vault-Tec in the past, the Management folk in 33 probably would've known exactly who she was when she walked in posing as an Overseer in ep 1. To me, Occam's razor points to her having been in one of the cryopods in Vault 4 with other scientists, because of that vault's proximity to Shady Sands where she settled. Given her general motivations, I also wouldn't be surprised if the reason Vault 4 fell is bc she helped overthrow it before going to the surface. She doesn't seem like the sort of scientist who would wake from a pod and be cool with people doing genetic experiments on other humans and turning them into abominations. Also, although the pods were repurposed by the Shady Sands survivors to freeze Vault 4's test subjects until they can be helped, I think we can assume the scientists in Vault 4 had to be using the cryopods because, in that last video of 4 being overrun by creatures, we see the same scientists that Coop talked to in the VT commercial (the ones who were living in it for 5 years as a test/proof of concept). The Gulper in the video who busts into the room before that final video cuts out is Vault 4's cyclopean Overseer's "great-uncle Peter, on my mom's side." A great uncle would be the brother of one of his grandparents, meaning "Great-Uncle" Peter would've been born *maybe* 120-150 years before, not 200+, and those scientists in the final video didn't look significantly older than they'd been in Coop's commercial. All that being said, @j.f.fisher5318 makes a good point about the "cryo suites" and Hollywood Forever cemetery, and the show doesn't put stuff like that in for no reason... so, yeah, Moldaver's longevity could be connected to that too. Either way, since she's not a ghoul, she obviously used cryopods.
@@babalonkie The writing in Fallout NV is far better than anything Bethesda can create and the game was developed in 18 months. Fallout 4's main production was 2 years but had pre-development as far back as 2009. NV is the continuation of a world that Fallout 1 and 2 made, written and worked on by many of the same developers at Obsidian. It wraps up the consequences and choices made throughout the original game series which lead to the NCR even existing and accumulate to the battle of hoover damn. Almost every other minor or major story or character are interconnected to one and other in the world of NV, while Fallout 4 creates a world filled with independent stories and singular layered writing. With often surface level and non interpretive ideas aimed at a more simple audience. With little to no choice or consequence in the end differing from your actions. Which is clear from the major difference of the 2 game dev's approach in the fact that Obsidian Fallout you can kill any character in the game even if they are a main story character and Bethesda holds you hand by making characters essential and not able to be killed. That way your actions lack as much consequence. It isn't your story under Bethesda, it is their story. This is coming from someone who has played and enjoyed Fallout 3 and 4 for 100's of hours.
@@babalonkieThen you couldn't comprehend what I said. Which fits, considering you would tie 1 dimensional writing with an intricate and interconnected plot. Maybe when you are older.
The ultra-violence set to these old 50s-60s songs is straight out of the games. Your Pipboy in the games has a radio you can listen to old music on. So you'll be picking your way through some old ruins listening to the radio and stumble into a raider camp. All of the sudden you'll have like 10 raiders shootting at you, lobbing gernades. You'll be ducking behind cover and popping out blowing their heads off and the whole time you'll have this cheery old music playing.
This is how a season should be ended. I think it clears up most of the stuff we really wanted to know while of course it opens up more for the future, but if there is no second season then we wouldn't be forked up as on shows that just end with hard cliffhangers. Interesting seeing you say much the same after watching it, than what i wrote her before watching your reaction. Also : the new city at the end is LAS VEGAS.
I think the "cryo suites" was there as a possible answer for Moldaver so it wouldn't seem like a plot hole, but I uspect she had her own cryo project at the Hollywood Forever funeral home. The name (a real place) is too coincidental imo. And it would make sense for rich Hollywood types who weren't ok with VaultTec's stuff to make an alternative.
@@lynetteoliva1256 I think Hayley and Stella have generally tuned out as soon as the credits have rolled on each episode and haven't realized that the credits are all different for a reason and have a ton of clues in them. Personally, I've noticed about half the reactors who react to Fallout catch the fact that the credits are info-dense and the other half immediately stop paying attention as soon as they see credits roll. Then they spend 5 mins reasoning through wrong theories about things that the credits would've hinted at an actual answer for.
It's the only explanation as to why he would give up the code when faced with his daughter's sadness, and why he's so extreme with his actions when his kids was taken from him, cause he does really love them. Maybe just a bit overbearing in what he will do perhaps. In a way, reminds me of Joel (the Last of Us) if he didn't have guilt or care for his actions.
To a point. I do believe Hank loves her, but it's also worth noting that literally everything he's done has been in service of this grand plan to outlast the factions and have his group be the people who take over and run the planet forever after. Norm is a bit of a disappointment (from Management's POV) bc he's not really one of those "make lemonade from lemons" people, so Lucy is Hank's only hope of his lineage continuing into the future to continue his vision and be part of the ruling class. If she dies or leaves him or whatever, then his line/control ends with him and everything he did was for nothing. "You are my world" can be taken in a couple of different ways. Again, I do believe he actually loved her, but I don't think he burned down Shady Sands because he loved his daughter. I think he burned it down because he saw it as his wife defecting to one of the "factions" we was trying to wipe out and taking the kids who guaranteed that his line would survive to rule the world. "She stopped being your mother when she took you into danger" can also be interpreted a couple of different ways. Point being: I think Hank is a complicated character full of gray areas, like most folk on this show. He can love his daughter but also be doing things for selfish reasons (while gaslighting himself into believing he's doing the right thing for his kids).
No yeah. I was skeptical at first but seeing how he doesn't want to harm her and still wants her to go with him. He genuinely believes he's ridding the world of savages to create a perfect 1950's world for his daughter.
@@johnplaysgames3120 Whatever is in Vegas, he likely believes that it will convince her that he's right. I don't think he's given up on her, he's trying to lead by example.
2:47 "I kinda forgot about Dad." In the games, you get sidetracked by so much bullshit ("Ooh! What's over there, in the distance"), that you often forget about your main objective. 😅
Nah imma postman who gets shot in the head and survived and heads to Vegas except everytime I take the Quickest way I get killed by giant lizards and wasps so I take the long way around and find abunch of Roman cosplayers who are into slavery
Ok, Look, YES i want to get revenge on the guy that shot me, but first I really, REALLY want to join this group of Elvis impersonators so I get the chance to pet the leader's cyborg puppy.
I saw a blurb a few days ago that Season 2 production has been accelerated. Leslie Uggams told some outlet that filming would begin sometime next month.
I always thought of him as a psychopath. He's egocentric and has zero remorse and empathy. But either way, I always considered these types of "people" as nothing more than demons in human skin
Cooper's wife would not be in Vault 31. Vault 31 is for middle management, like Hank was Barb's assistant. She would be in a vault for upper management. The concensus amongst Fallout fans is that she would be in a Vault in New Vegas, which is why Hank went there at the end of the episode. Also, you left it out of your edit, but the skull shown just before the reveal of New Vegas was a Deathclaw, which is one of the most powerful creatures in Fallout lore. For perspective, a deathclaw would make the bear that tossed around the knight in episode 2 look like a puppy. Enjoy your break and I look forward to more from you.
IMO Moldaver could have built her own vault and cryo pod, she was rich. Or she bought a cryo suite in New Vegas, if you watch the outro there is an advertisement for them. Also the cryo pods are not a vault-tec technology they were created by Robco and Big MT. (they were in the meeting) Hank and Moldaver are hardly the same, he nuked a city of 35000 including his wife. Moldaver killed a handful of people for the greater good. Cooper recognised Lucys name because her dad was Barbs assistant.
“The best stranger I ever met.” It’s always brought up about how lucky Maximus is, how about how lucky Lucy is?! She earned a protecter pretty much out the gate, if Lucy was in trouble Max acted as the sword & shield.
I'd be interested in a rewatch of the first episode, The tone completely changes now. The way you percieve Hank, Betty, Steph and Coopers actions is different and then you start noticing little things about their actions. One of the highest rewatch values I've ever seen for a show.
The games have custom characters and are mostly vault dwellers. The show is indeed a combination of the games. Lucy is Fallout 3 Cooper is Fallout New Vegas Maximus is Fallout 4 But there's also some crossover such as Fallout 4's Nate/Nora having the same premise as Cooper. The games ARE story driven, you do have main quests, but you can also choose to do side quests and sometimes you can/have to do them to get to your end goal of the story. New Vegas has the most options for the ending. This is why the fans love many of Coop's quotes. Specifically "Thou shall get sidetracked by bullshit". As for which one is most important to play before Season 2? New Vegas. Everything in that game is about to change and we're going to find out what the canon ending is. Fallout 3 if you want to know more about Vault Tech and you want to pretend to be Lucy but with a far less sad ending. Fallout 4 if you want to play Cooper's story in a shorter form. Also since you loved Coop's shootouts, you're going to love VATS.
Possible. She was also both a scientist and one of the founders of Shady Sands. Vault 4 is right near Shady Sands (which is why the survivors of Shady Sands, people who worship Moldaver as the "Flame Mother," fled to Vault 4 after the new bombs dropped) and we know that Vault 4 had cryopods. So, it's possible that Moldaver, as a scientist, was in a cryopod in Vault 4. Given her general motivations, I wouldn't be surprised if she was somehow connected to the fall of Vault 4 (she doesn't seem like she'd be down with scientists doing genetic experiments on people and turning them into abominations) before leaving for the surface to found Shady Sands. So, either she was in one of the non-VT cryopods somewhere (the show may have had her "communist" meetings held at the "Hollywood Forever" cemetery for a reason) or, given its proximity to Shady Sands, she could've come from one of the Vault 4 cryopods. I mean, the show had to have a reason for Lucy and Max to make that little side-trip and, personally, I think it's so we could learn about the refugees from Shady Sands, their connection to the "Flame Mother"/Moldaver, be reminded it was a scientist vault, and learn that it had cryopods. The show doesn't seem to do things for no reason, and that's a lot of potentially related info to learn for a storyline that was just a momentary side-quest that didn't seem to go anywhere.
For researching the Fallout universe, keep in mind Fallout 4:GOTY Edition is on sale 75% off on Steam until Oct 29. Playing the entire game would take a long time, but you could learn a lot by playing a few hours.
I like the foreshadowing for Buds fate. At Vault-tec he drives up in a tiny car with a clear roof. There is circus music playing on the radio. And he ends up as the brain on a roomba which plays circus music.
In the first episode, all Maximus wanted was to become a knight. In the last episode he gets what he wanted, but he no longer wants it. In the first episode, all Lucy wanted was to find her dad and free him from Moldaver. In the last episode she gets what she wanted, but she no longer wants it. I love the way they did that.
Thank you for your editing Hayley!!! You both enjoy your time off. We'll be here when you get back. Looking forward to a Christmas movie reaction. Muppet Christmas Carol & Christmas Vacation are a must!!!
Max fulfilled his promise to Lucy, probably his plan his plan all along when he used the 2nd head. But instead of 5 or 6 knights with guns to rescue her dad, Max brought the entire Brotherhood.
The feeling of not knowing what else is in the other vaults after finding out the central Vault Tec secret is one of the many low-key driving forces in the games. Vaults function as dungeons in a way, each with its own horrifying and unique twist. Part of why it feels so coherent though is that a lot of Fallout is based on pulp scifi comics and 1950s scifi b-movies and stuff like that. Its why it swings so wildly in tone. But yes the show is entirely its own thing, taking cues from the entire series' lore
What's interesting about the show is that instead of retelling one of the games' story's (though it does borrow plot points from them), it tells a new and unique story that's canon to the game universe. Though animated adaptations of video games have been doing this for years, it's nice and refreshing to see this being done on the live action mainstream level.
Watch the end credits. The city is New Vegas, and "The Needle" is what remains of Lucky 38 casino which played a huge role in Fallout New Vegas. Place was run by Mr. House, who had his own motives, and who was briefly featured in the show along with other nefarious corporate leaders.
@@Vaultboy-ke2jj To me, it makes way more sense that she was in Vault 4. The show doesn't do anything without a reason and yet Lucy and Max's side trip to Vault 4 didn't seem to go anywhere. They went down and then got sent back to the surface. HOWEVER, during that side-trip, (1) we're reminded that Vault 4 was a vault for scientists (and Moldaver was a scientist), (2) we learn that Vault 4 had cryopods, (3) we meet a bunch of refugees from Shady Sands, the nearby city that Moldaver helped found before it was bombed by Hank, and (4) we learn that the survivors of Shady Sands revere Moldaver as "the Flame Mother." That's a lot of related info for a seemingly pointless side-quest. So, yeah, given Moldaver and Shady Sands' proximity to Vault 4 and its cryopods as well as her status as a scientist (particularly one working at a level where she'd discover cold fusion), I feel like she may have come from there. And given her general motivations, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that she was at least partially responsible for overthrowing the original overseers of Vault 4 in order to stop the experiments and liberate the test subjects, either before or after heading to the surface to found Shady Sands.
@@johnplaysgames3120 no she didn’t come from there. She wasn’t working for Vault-Tec, we are told that. I genuinely don’t understand how you think nothing came from the Vault 4 storyline.
I think Barb and Janey are in a senior executive vault. Vault 31 is more like junior executives. My theory is that Cooper got sent to Vault 4 and was experimented on, given the "ghoul serum" and was the 1st ghoul.
Nice coincidence(?) the date of the last episode air date... 23th October. In Fallout universe, the Great War was on 23th october 2077. That is why the Epic games have Fallout sale now:)
In season 2: Norm will be saved by Betty, who sends him away from Vault 33 to find a replacement for the water chip, he will want to be accompanied by Chet and along the way two other companions will be added: Thaddeus and the chicken-loving doctor/charlatan
Enjoy your break! I get it, believe me. I started a gaming channel with a friend years ago and, unfortunately, he didn't really contribute beyond showing up for filming days (and he was often many hours late for that, leaving me sitting here waiting with a room full of cameras, lights, greenscreens, etc). I ended up doing all the setup, all the ideation, all the editing, all the art, all the music, all the socials/promo, all the SEO... literally everything by myself. It's SO MUCH work, people who've never tried to run a channel really have no idea. Especially if you have a job or school on top of it. Without help, I burned out FAST. And it ultimately impacted our friendship bc my (now former) friend's complete lack of help (yet absolute enthusiasm for taking half of any profits) really changed my view of who he was as a person. So, yeah, do what you need to do. Take the time, recharge your batteries, live your life, and come back when you're ready. Don't make the mistake I made and run yourself into the ground.
Shoutout to Hayley for editing, it's a tough gig for sure. But take care, wishing you both the best over the next couple months, and hope to see you back soon!
in the end credits it shows commercial cryopods, in new vegas, moldava could have slept in there, also cloning is a thing in fallout so thats also possible
Here you find out that Barb (Coop's wife) is more that just a secretary or even a junior executive. When it looked like Bud was losing the focues of the group, she looks up to the shady figure in the window, then takes over the meeting. My guess is that she is a senior executive or the personal assistant to the Vault-Tec CEO. Then, there is the fact that Ms. Williams (aka Moldaver) told Cooper that it was his wife's division who took all of her research on Cold Fusion.
If you decide to explore the games, I'd start with Fallout: New Vegas. The game lets you build your own character and you can give them traits and act out in good or bad ways depending on what you want to do. Many people consider the 3 main characters in the show similar to the three most popular build types in the game: Lucy (good, virtuous person trying to do right in the Wasteland), The Ghoul/Coop (chaotic evil that can shoot their way out of any situation), and Maximus (neutral player with high luck, low intelligence idiot savant trait that stumbles their way into things).
Gooosh this series was WONDERFUL to watch you both react to! Loved hearing your thoughts all the way through~ I hope you both enjoy your time away and look forward to seeing what you'll do next! Keep on Keeping On, Ladies! Thank you _so_ much for doing what you do~
Hayley, you should feel pretty pleased with yourself. The editing for this channel is way better than many other channels, even channels that get someone in to do it. I have enjoyed watching Fallout in your company and look forward to season 2! 👍
I think the one thing we know for sure is Barb isn't in Vault 31 - they do list the names of people who are in there for one thing. One assumes that there's a good reason Hank is going to New Vegas - so it's probably a vault that hasn't been opened or named in the games, though that could just be an interim stop too. A vault in Area 52 would be an interesting real life v game location for one thing - though I don't know anything.. I do have a theory on how The Ghoul became a goul, relating to the fact he said he wanted to retire to - if you know you know - and it's a slight detour on the way to New Vegas, with a bit of game logic that they're more than happy to use in the series I suspect that we could end up passing through next season.
The Dad went to Las Vegas, or New Vegas and that is the Stratosphere you see on the horizon. Seattle is over 1,000 miles north of LA but Vegas is less than 300 miles away.
The show is not an adaptation of any specific game in the series, it's a continuation of the games' timeline. The show takes place 9 years after Fallout 4, which is the last game chronologically. (Fallout 76 is the most recently released but is a prequel that takes place before all the other games.)
Moldaver's words to Maximus are so poignant to me, because "perhaps you can stop them. Perhaps all you can do is try" is the lesson she learned from bitter experience. She did try to stop a nuclear war, by inventing Cold Fusion to solve the Resource Wars, and then organizing popular resistance to Vault-Tec and the corporate-controlled government, and she failed. All she could do was try. But even in death, she has struck a blow to Vault-Tec and its continuing plan to eradicate humanity outside of its "good" Vaults, by finally turning on the Cold Fusion electricity generation they prevented. That alone can save so many lives in the wasteland, and overcome one of the scarcities which is forcing survivors to have to fight amongst themselves. We still don't know how she earned the title of Flame Mother though. So I definitely see that actress coming back for more historical revelations. Moldaver is absolutely the hero for me, at this point.
Hi, thank you both for this wonderful reaction trip to this epic show, i have loved every minute of it, and i cant wait for season 2 and your reaction to that, hopefully it will arrive soon, have a wonderful day and break, Stella your degree will rock, Hayley very weel done with the editing, you 2 are gems.
Congrats Haley figuring out Hank and Betty were employees before the show revealed him! Regarding Moldaver my bet is we'll never learn how she made it through 250+ years. The writers I'm sure could come up with some excuse like stealing a cryo pod or she secretly converted a vault employee to her cause.
I played a lot of fallout. Good job on these presentations. I binged all of your reactions in one day and finished the last one on the day you finished. One suggestion: watch the credits, they are a gold mine of info.
i was wondeing about moldaver too. but she mentioned, vaulttec acquired her inventions. so maybe she developed the cryo-sleep machines and she had her own.
if youre looking for a show for when you come back have you seen yellowjackets? i think that the mystery/figuring out whats going on aspect would really appeal to you. and it also has ella pernell in it (lucy)
It has been fun watching these reactions to Fallout. I haven't watched much TV show reactions on other channels but here changed that and so far I loved it.
In the games, the NCR was the closest thing you might get to "good guys". That's why many die cards were enraged by this series and the fate of Shady Sands (though it was revealed in Fallout 4), what Hank did was unforgivable. They rebuilt many of the old prewar cities and infrastructure, power grids, sewers. Even had a proper justice system and public school system, they were actually starting to rebuild the world. That's why I think it was such a big deal that Moldaver lit up the skyline. Imagine, the NCR falls, all hope is lost, and everything you know depends back into chaos. . .but then, on the horizon. All of LA lights back up. Its like a beacon of hope, at least that's how I saw it as a fan of both the show and the games. . . We have certainly not seen the last of Moldaver or the NCR. Season 2 will probably delve into her past, and launch us into the NCRs revival.
